Spells you Wish you Had not gotten, adept 3 or master

[Kirma]

<DIV>here's my list so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Deceit, master 1 -- ZERO upgrade from adept 1</DIV> <DIV>Concealed blade, adept 3 -- No upgrade on slow. very un-noticeable dmg upgrade</DIV> <DIV>Debilitate, adept 3 -- 75 + more debuff.. not worth it, unless you're that hardcore.</DIV> <DIV>Daring Advance -- NO upgrade on attk / melee skill raise, only the defense lowered changed... USELESS!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spells that r a must adept 3 or higher</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Craven Delight</DIV> <DIV>Ruse</DIV> <DIV>Aggravated Assault</DIV> <DIV>Stealthy Burglary</DIV> <DIV>Wrangle</DIV> <DIV>Sap</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <span class=date_text>04-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[WuphonsReach]

Stealth spells are *always* a must-upgrade. They're the first ones that I make because they have very concrete benefits.Ruse Adept 3 was dissapointing and isn't much of an upgrade to Ruse Adept 1. I have it, not sorry that I had it made (I harvested the rares), but not sure I'd pay for a rare on the broker to get it.The rest of the Adept3/Master spells that I've seen, I usually submit a /bug report about the skill if I think it's under-powered or the upgrade is broken.

[TricksyRaton]

Distracting Blade is a cheap adept III worth getting early as possible. <div></div>

[Efour EQ2]

<DIV>Stealthy Burglary, hmm id do this last i think.  I have yet to find a mob ingame other than named ones that see thru our final group or solo stealth skill at adept 1 .</DIV><p>Message Edited by Efour EQ2 on <span class=date_text>04-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 PM</span>

[Kirma]

i've seen a big diff from adept 1 to 3, lvl 52 + stuff will see.

[dox]

<P><SPAN>Snag master 1 ended up being a waste.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I wasn’t going to get it since it didn’t seem to scale up at all from adept1 (37 movement slow, 2 percent attack slow), but examining it wouldn’t show me the duration.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Bought it, scribed it, and the duration was still 30 sec.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It was up on the fence along time and I ended up getting for 50 gold (I figure it would’ve cost that much for the rare and combine anyway).<SPAN>  </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>I’ll bug it tonight when I get back home.</SPAN></P>

[Kegofbud]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WuphonsReach wrote:<BR>Stealth spells are *always* a must-upgrade. They're the first ones that I make because they have very concrete benefits.<BR><BR>Ruse Adept 3 was dissapointing and isn't much of an upgrade to Ruse Adept 1. I have it, not sorry that I had it made (I harvested the rares), but not sure I'd pay for a rare on the broker to get it.<BR><BR>The rest of the Adept3/Master spells that I've seen, I usually submit a /bug report about the skill if I think it's under-powered or the upgrade is broken.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>What? Ruse Adept 3 is very benficial. </P> <P>Craven Delight and Gambit I also like so far. </P> <P>As far as nothing seeing through Stealthy Burglary or Lurk go, Kromise Lookouts in EF occaisionally see through the Adept 1s at Lev 47. If they scale up further, on the way to 50, I imagine they won't anymore but I'd say it depends on your level. :smileyhappy:</P> <P><BR></P>

[Play-D]

<div></div><hr>What? Ruse Adept 3 is very benficial.<hr>Not really, I think it added roughly 150 more damage on my max hits and 40 to 70 damage on avg hits. I don't call that very beneficial, slight upgrade maybe, but no not beneficial.<div></div>

[WuphonsReach]

Aye, compared to the Adept1 version of Ruse, the Adept3 isn't all that spectacular (maybe 10% more damage on average). If they had changed the minimum damage amount (bump that up by 30%), but left the max damage number alone, it would be a far better upgrade.

[Xandab]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Play-Doh wrote:<BR> <HR> What? Ruse Adept 3 is very benficial. <HR> <BR>Not really, I think it added roughly 150 more damage on my max hits and 40 to 70 damage on avg hits. I don't call that very beneficial, slight upgrade maybe, but no not beneficial.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><EM><FONT size=4>Are u a re-*$%#&! or something? 150 extra damage is 150 extra damage Holy mackeral what rock did u fall off of? Oh wait its in yer name........ DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smileysurprised:</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=4>And yes it is very beneficial. Every lil bit helps even if it is 150 more........</FONT></EM></DIV><p>Message Edited by Xandabar on <span class=date_text>04-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 AM</span>

[MaestroX]

<P>/sign my name to the Ruse list.</P> <P>It is our best skill, but as with all the other damage skills the benifit from app4 to adp1 is minimal and the bump from adp1 to adp3 is also very small.  Most disappointing is the WEAK bump for the Master1 upgrades, litterally a handfull of points on a typical attack skill in T4.   I shop for upgrades on the blackmarket and I have seen most of the brigand Masters offered for serious PP.  When I compare the listed efect to what I already get for adp1 or adp3, it is laughable.</P> <P>Costs on permafrost for 30-39 upgrades are typically:</P> <P>App4:  1g</P> <P>Adp1:  2g</P> <P>Adp3:  40g</P> <P>Mst1:   2-8PP</P> <P>So, if money was no object, I say go ahead and spend the plat upgrading key skills to Adp3 and Mst1, but for me, money IS still a serious issue and would rather get more bang fot the buck saving for imbued ebon gear.</P>

[Razie Ber]

I thought wrangle was still busted? I've got Desperate Thrust master and it seems to be worth having for the dmg upgrade, although Concealed Blade wasn't.. Craven Delight Master was a decent upgrade from Adept 3.. Gambit adept1 from adept 3 was kind of dissapointing, but still worth having. <div></div>

[Play-D]

<div></div><hr>I've got Desperate Thrust master and it seems to be worth having for the dmg upgrade<hr>I have seen it on the broker on Oggok, it looks very nice but the guy selling it wants 5 plat. <span>:smileysad:I am slightly jealous now.</span><div></div>

[Gyilok]

<P>adept3 Gambit clearly worse than bum rush master = waste of a ruby sofar</P> <P>run through: got adept 3 made about a week before i could put my hands on a master = another ruby gone hehe (and still would love more dmg on master with all the efforts to use it)</P> <P> </P> <P>as for invis skills: I found adept 1 versions always do the job just fine, still can get past lvl 55 mobs with stealthy burglary or lurk adept1, I dont see a reason upping them further (app4 was fine too, til I got my adepts)</P>

[Kirma]

<DIV>meh.. desp thrust, im not a fan of it. it lowers ur def. How much does master lowers? it was my last adept 3 i was gonna get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only need 6 more adept3's to full book of all adept 3's or masters (I Think this will be a server first on oasis) and yes. i do mean full.. t1-t2-3-4-5 etc</DIV>

[Kirma]

<DIV>Waylay</DIV> <DIV>Blunted Arrows</DIV> <DIV>Murderous Rake</DIV> <DIV>Disable</DIV> <DIV>Dirty Blow</DIV> <DIV>Desp Thrust</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>are the only adept 3's i need left. I named em in the order i plan on getting em, you guys think I shoud put rake at the top? (heard the lowered agi on it was close to no upgrade)</DIV>

[ibeo]

ok so you have most so which are worth it?

[Kirma]

<DIV>ruse</DIV> <DIV>gambit</DIV> <DIV>sap</DIV> <DIV>agg assault</DIV> <DIV>craven delight</DIV> <DIV>shiv</DIV> <DIV>ruthless cunning</DIV> <DIV>self pers</DIV> <DIV>plead for mercy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> are all awesome. in no perticular order</DIV>

[InquisitorR]

I have Master Gambit (awesome master, very nice damage)  Master Murderous Rake (not that great, nice debuff to help Debilitate land) Master Subdue (very happy, nice damage)  Master Aegis (nice self buff bonus) I have had Adept3 Craven Delight made, main backstab doing me well, want Shiv Adept3 made.   And there any movement speed increase with Adept3 Stealthy Burglary? <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> InquisitorRed wrote:<BR>I have Master Gambit (awesome master, very nice damage)  Master Murderous Rake (not that great, nice debuff to help Debilitate land) Master Subdue (very happy, nice damage)  Master Aegis (nice self buff bonus)<BR><BR>I have had Adept3 Craven Delight made, main backstab doing me well, want Shiv Adept3 made.   And there any movement speed increase with Adept3 Stealthy Burglary?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>saw a copy of master stealthy burglary, no speed upgrade

[Andai]

<P>Darnit.</P> <P>I usually have my adept3's made in batches (collect several rubies and Rhodium, have an alchie make a bunch of inks, have a jeweler make a bunch of adept3 runes). In the last batch i had a Shiv adept3 made but i picked Elisi's Merciless Shank at level 40 and dang, Elisi's seem to do much more damage so i'm really hesitant to scribe the rune. I'll hold on to it till after the combat and skill balance changes goes live, just in case, but otherwise i'm better off trying to sell it on the broker.</P>

[Fj]

If this was a competion i would probably win since i have: Hamstring as a Master...... <div></div>

[Twist_nd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fjut wrote:<BR>If this was a competion i would probably win since i have:<BR><BR>Hamstring as a Master......<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I almost bought Hamstring Master I.  I'm really glad I decided that I didn't really want to spend the money at the time.

[Kirma]

<P>the dot on shiv is higher then lvl 40 trait</P> <P> </P> <P>and mind u with new expansion, lvl raise. MASTERY RAISE finally. the lvl 40 trait will be obsolete.seeing a lot of spells will gain more damage / effects due to your mastery going up.</P><p>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <span class=date_text>05-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:34 AM</span>

[ag]

Under the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=47572#M47572" target=_blank>proposed changes</a> coming with LU9-11, CA damage will not raise with your level. Only upgrading the quality of the art (App1-4, Adept 1-3, etc) will increase it's effectiveness.The relevant quote is:<i>"That's why we're doing away with the concept of spells growing by level."</i>

[ibeo]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kirmatt wrote:<BR> <P>the dot on shiv is higher then lvl 40 trait</P> <P> </P> <P>and mind u with new expansion, lvl raise. MASTERY RAISE finally. the lvl 40 trait will be obsolete.seeing a lot of spells will gain more damage / effects due to your mastery going up.</P> <P>Message Edited by Kirmatt on <SPAN class=date_text>05-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:34 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>dot is higher but the trait has a finish strike:smileywink:<BR></DIV>