More information on uselessness of upgrading

[Strifex]

<DIV>These 2 example should give further proof that Sony really needs to look at the usefulness of upgrading skills:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Someone in my guild got Run Through Master 1 this weekend and gave it to me since I'm the only brigand in guild. From app4 my skills increased from 17 str debuff to 18 str debuff, 20% slow stayed the same, increased the 1 tick piercing dot by 3 and initial by 5, and the dmg went up roughly +60 to min/max. So, I basically upgraded 5 skill lvls with a super rare master spell and I got an upgrade that is not even noticeable at lvl 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. I decided to upgrade debilitate from app1 to app4 to see what the increase was and decide if I wanted to make it adept 3. Before it was 19 dmg and the 1618-36xx or whatever the debuff is exactly. After app4 it is now 20dmg and the same exact debuff. I went up 3 skill lvls and got 1 whole damage omg! The debuff did not change at all which is the point of the skill...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. In class currently so didn't have the exact numbers but you can see the point, whats the point of spending money on upgrading these skills when they don't even improve.</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>with run through being a lvl 49 skill, you probably should see the difference when you mastered it (far far away in time)</DIV> <DIV>about debilitate: if you browse the forums about it you will find that upping it makes it get much less resists (never seen one with my adept 3), even on raid mobs</DIV> <DIV>you can say overall that upgrading skills damagewise is still not cost-effective, but me and I think most others do it anyway, always hoping for things to get better someday</DIV> <DIV>Blackguard app4 to adept 1 has made absoutely no change hehe, and I have a long list of skills that I can say the same thing about</DIV> <DIV>real annoying tho that master books dont really make it worthwile either, except ruse</DIV>

[zjusti]

upgrading Debilitate, i think, only makes it so that it will stick longer on the mob.... by sticking longer means... the time the spell stays on the mob will be closer to the duration listed u see when u examine the art............................

[Gyilok]

<DIV>hmm could be right, tho I upgraded in the moment i got it so couldnt check the app1, but I got a duration of 1:12 on adept 3</DIV>

[Efour EQ2]

<DIV>Yeah adept 1 is 1:12.  As it has a 1min cool down timer any buff to the duration would be pointless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As regards adpet 3 spells being more accurate.  I dont belive this to be true  i have all of my frontal attacks adept 3 for soloing /wink wink <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  but i have noticed myself not having an increased hit ratio vs the lvl 47-49 polar bears in EF.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Infact on many occasions i have completely missed all 4 trigger attacks for one of my HOs. in which case i just back peddled with my bow out for a few seconds.. me personally have noticed no acuracy increase.  obviously i dont have data to back this up, but i can feel that im not really hitting more often.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes inorder to see anything from the majority of spells you are going to have to be lvl 55+ </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its a real shame that its not a more commonly know subject  as rubies are for sale @ 2pp+ on myserver. and their effects are not even worth more than an adept one until we have an expansion. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all this said i am a ratonga with about 115 str 120 when buffed so maybe that counts alot to my acttack rating to.</DIV>

[Strifex]

<DIV>Yeah the duration was 1:12 at app1 also, because theres no maintained icon for it in the spell window its hard to tell exactly how long of the 1:12 it lasts though. I know about the growth and that its a lvl 49 spell but the problem with this is that alot of people are complaing that T5 adept 3's don't do much because of this. They need to work somethign out so were still getting a decent upgrade at high lvl skills when we upgrade to adept3s and masters.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>I got a Master 1 Concealed Blade and noticed only a modest improvement to the damage, but a HUGE improvement to resists. It has a knockdown effect that is almost guaranteed now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my opinion, while I wouldn't spend tons of money on upgrades (App IV, Adept 3, & Master 1), if can get them cheap or "guild gifted" to me I will definitely scribe them. I believe SOE will get problems sorted out between tiers of combat arts & spells, and those of us with the upgrades already will be the first to take advantage of the fix.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also picked up Master 1 Run Through (which will require a few levels before I can scribe) and Master 1 Plead for Mercy, I will test Plead for Mercy and let you know if see any difference.</DIV>

[Sierrus]

<DIV>i got 3 master1 T5 skills now, Rash Advance master sucks, Shadow Slip maste  only thing in description is lvl 55 stealth instead of 52 and costs a bit more power, and lowers my aggro by 2 places as before so seems to still be it's usual self ;p  and Lurk Master 1    it's worth having ;p lvl 55 stealth FD works on mobs 46 <  now according to description, but can FD off lvl 55's same for adept 1 though   havne't been anywhere to test iv lvl 55 stealth is doin any better than lvl 52 ;p </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>