Bushwhack Good?

[Earl_Of_Bronze]

Just wondering if Bushwhack is a good skill? I think it is a 35 skill and I see a Master 1 for sale by the broker right now for ~65 gold.Seems like alot but I tend to notice most 30+ Master 1's going for ~1 platinumThanks!

[Dtrick]

<DIV>At 37 with adept 1 my bushwhack is hitting for about 250+.  I would imagine that the Master version of the skill would hit for about 400+.   It is a nice skill to use in conjunction with the 1 second swift sneak.  You won't replace the skill until level 49, so if you buy it you would probably get a lot of use out of it.</DIV>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>My friend has Master 1 of Bushwack and it does do high 300s to low 400. I the use the Adept 1 pretty often myself and hit for the same numbers Dtrick mentioned.</DIV>

[dox]

<DIV>Choadley = Friend<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have it and use it quite a bit, it comes in handy when soloing the tougher mobs and in long group encounters.  I love using it the most after hitting Lie Low.  It does between 340 - 460 most of the time (400s are usually in grp).  When I picked it up it was going for 25gold and I figured it was worth trying at that price, and since we have it for so long.  </DIV> <DIV>I've never seen Ruse up, and only seen Shiv once.  Usually the masters I see up are for something like circular strike or fancy footwork at some crazy price (not worth more then 10gp  IMO).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Doxer</DIV> <DIV>44 Brigand</DIV> <DIV>Mistmoore</DIV>

[Earl_Of_Bronze]

Thanks Guys.When I got home from work someone had already purchased it. =( Oh well... snooze you lose.

[b3taha]

Bushwack, seems likes a good skill. I hope you bought that master. If not make a adept3.

[Draakard]

I use Buschwack Master1 as well and does rarely something close to 400, mostly 350s at lvl45.Besides all that you can use the skill from any position and 17% slow effect is very nice imo.

[terahak]

<DIV>im 45 with master 1 bushwhack, it does average of around 400</DIV>

[WuphonsReach]

I just got this skill (Appr1)... I have to confess that I'm not all that taken with it.The 17% snare seems a bit... worthless. I wish they'd change that to an 8% melee slow or maybe a power drain.Is the STR debuff and damage really worth it for the 53 power in a group? About the only time I can see myself using this is when I have to toss a Lie Low to drop my hate and slip into invis (then I'm already positioned to use Bushwhack).

[terahak]

its a slow not a snare

[ag]

In all the Brigand combat arts, "Slow" refers to movement rate. There are combat arts that slow the attack speed, and they are specific.For example:<img src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/BushwhackAdept1_50.jpg">Which shows a snare of 17%, similar to:<img src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/HamstringApp2_50.jpg">Which shows a slow of 72%. Whereas..<img src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/ConcealedBladeApp4_50.jpg">shows an attack speed slow of 5%.and finally, both on the same art!<img src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/SnagApp1_50.jpg"><p>Message Edited by agra on <span class=date_text>03-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:58 AM</span>

[jhessal69]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> terahak wrote:<BR>its a slow not a snare <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Its a snare from the in-game description. The text, when you examine it, says :</DIV> <DIV>A high damage stealth attack that snare the enemy and reduces strength. At the bottom of this, it says</DIV> <DIV>Inflicts xxx - xxx melee dmg on target</DIV> <DIV>decreases STR by X</DIV> <DIV>Slows target by X%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you might think that the SLOW there, means a melee slow, but if you look at Snarl , for example, youll see that it says</DIV> <DIV>Slows Target encounter by X%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So obviously the "slow" means movement speed.</DIV>

[WuphonsReach]

<blockquote><hr>terahak wrote:its a slow not a snare <hr></blockquote>So the description is just wrong?Looking at my (4) skills that seem to be snares:<b>Tie Up</b> (our single-target movement snare).Decreases enemy movement speed at a lessened chance to break.- Slows target by 35%<b>Snarl</b> (our encounter movement snare)Decrease movement speed of a group of linked creaters.- Slows target encounter by 35%<b>Tangling Strike</b> (requires stealth)A high damage stealth attack that snares the enemy.- Inflict 170-284 melee damage on target- Slows target by 14%<b>Bushwhack</b> (requires stealth, upgrade to Tangling Strike)A high damage stealth attack that snares the enemy and reduces strength.- Inflict 163-272 melee damage on target.- Decrease STR of target by 11.- Slows target by 17%So, based on what I'm reading in the spell descriptions, the only way I would think that TS/Bushwhack is a melee slow is through parsing. TS/Bushwhack use the exact same language for their 'slow target' detail as our movement snares.As opposed to:<b>Disarming Target</b>A quick attack that knocks down the enemy and slows attack speed.- Inflict 91-152 crushing damage on target- Decrease Attack Speed of target by 5%Which definitely looks like a melee debuff in comparison.

[Zerim]

<P>The descriptions differentiate between <STRONG>Slow</STRONG> (rate of movement debuff - think snare/ensnare in EQ Live where how fast something can run or walk towards you is greatly affected/decreased) and <STRONG>Decrease Attack Speed</STRONG> (attack speed debuff - synonymous with the word "slow" in EQ Live, where how quickly something can swing/attack you is greatly affected/decreased).</P> <P> </P> <P>Bushwack does 280-450 damage for me, and with fast refresh it is definitely worth keeping scribed - ESPECIALLY if you have the Quick Sneak training power that has 1 second cast time to use in conjunction with Bushwack.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[terahak]

yes yes you're right thanks for all the screenshots <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> good none the less

[WuphonsReach]

I still don't think Snare belongs on Bushwhack / Tangling Strike... and have /bug reported it. It *is* a nice damage spell, and the STR debuff is nice... I just have a personal objection to having it snare the target (for less then our regular 35% snare).Also put in a /bug for Tangling Strike.

[Aral]

<P>So how good is the upgrade, Run Through?  This is the one master I I've been lucky enough to get  for my brigand.  I hope it's a real upgrade and not one of those non-scaling "same as level 20s" skills.   Does the str debuff scale up?  I really like to have these debuffs for those tough mob encounters. </P> <P> </P>