What skill to get as adept3 lvl 30-39?

[Cyco]

<DIV>Have a rare I want to use on a skill but cant decide what to use it on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am currently lvl 35 so maybe I should get Craven delight or maybe Stealthy burglary?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Is that a rough opal / opal geode ?</DIV>

[Dubrek]

opal opal geode and runethiem (spelling).

[Gyilok]

<DIV>stealthy burglary is just fine att app4, no need for better there, if you find an adept 1, get it, but no need for adept 3</DIV> <DIV>craven delight should be upgraded yes, you can get a nice training version replacing shank at lv 40, cant really think any other of the tier 4 stuff that is worth upgrading to adept 3, maybe bum rush</DIV>

[terahak]

<DIV>i have craven delight adept3 definitely worth it.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> terahak wrote:<BR> <DIV>i have craven delight adept3 definitely worth it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yeah, I did the same with my Rare and I am pleased.

[Sinadi]

Could you post the examine info on adept 3 Craven Delight please?

[Zerim]

<DIV>at work, will do it this evening if someone doesn't beat me to it.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sinadial wrote:<BR>Could you post the examine info on adept 3 Craven Delight please?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <IMG src="http://zerimarsurfaces.com/images/temp_pics/craven_delight_adept3.jpg">

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>I'm planning on doing Craven Delight as well. That in conjunction with the lev 40 upgrade of Shank and you've got some sick numbers.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kegofbud wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm planning on doing Craven Delight as well. That in conjunction with the lev 40 upgrade of Shank and you've got some sick numbers.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Ditto.

[Andai]

<DIV>Craven Delight it is then...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How much would i expect to have to pay for having an adept3 made if i have the rare? I know the T4/T5 armorers on my server charges 20gp just for the combine and if there's similar costs for having the ink done and then having the adept3 made one adept3 could get pretty expensive...</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>your pretty unlucky with your server, most ppl i asked for adept3-s make it for free (even tier5) including the alchie who makes the rare ink for free too, maybe a few golds are reasonable (<10g)but 20g for a combine? greedy [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>I paid 5gp for the ink and 10gp for the combine - not sure if I got gouged or not because I really just wanted the Adept 3 Craven Delight.</DIV>

[Andai]

<DIV>I ended up paying 5gp for the ink and 2gp for the combine. 7gp for my craven delight adept3 was worth it though :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now all i have to do is gain five levels so i can use the darn thing heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, i better start looking for another rare too, you can't have too many adept 3's :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Eris]

<DIV>As a T5 alchi i was asked to make an adept3 T5 ability. The guy asked me how much i would charge, did a quick compute and told him i would ask 2g of him (to cover costs mostly and make a little coin). The guy just laughed at that and told me that it wasnt the way i would ever make some money and ended giving me 7g.</DIV>

[Aral]

<DIV>What are the actual numbers you get with this?  Not the examine, since those numbers are usually worthless.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My <EM>actual </EM>craven delight hits are in the low 200s at level 43.6 using app4.  Hidden shiv at adept 1 still is consistently higher on the initial hit (usually mid to high 200s) but with the benefit of the multiple ticks of 81 (or was it 96, I forget).  The dot component of CD is much weaker.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe the examine on the app4 is very nearly the same as you showed for adept 3 Crik... it's just plain wrong for app4 though.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still using hidden shiv for now!  I would bet that "increases dps by 5 %" on CD actually means increases <EM>melee hits </EM>by 5%... which is an unnoticeable increase for a class that can chain CA's nonstop.  </DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Here is Adept 1 Craven Delight versus Adept 1 Hidden Shiv.  This is at level 38.8.  It is really sad that this isnt much of an upgrade, if not an upgrade at all to Hidden Shiv.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img11.exs.cx/img11/8617/cdvshs386dn.jpg"></DIV>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>I almost wonder if Hidden Shiv was supposed to be weaker? Maybe they'll be nerfing that rather then improving Craven Delight. Kind of scares me.</DIV>

[Kende]

<DIV>Here's Low Blow (I just made 30th) from App1 to Adept1:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/LowBlowCompare1.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5 more power will net you 6 more damage :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>30 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A></DIV>

[Kr]

<DIV>Wow! Thanks for that information. I've been looking for a low blow upgrade, but apparently I shouldn't bother.</DIV>

[Andai]

<DIV>Am i missing something here?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree fully that the damage upgrade is pitiful but comparing the same skillqualities of hidden shiv and craven delight, asuming you have the skill to use both, wouldn't hidden shiv be resisted alot more than craven delight as the skill is green/grey to the monsters  you'll be using it on?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know for a fact that when i upgraded one of my frontal attacks used with HOs to adept3 (in my low 20s) i had noticably less resists when using it compared to the app3 or adept1 version (can't remember which one i upgraded from).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I currently have all my frontal damage attacks at adept1 and when i solo (mostly when i'm doing city writs), with HOs being heavily used, i rarely have a fight where not at least one step of the HO(s) gets resisted. With my prior experiences i suspect that with adept3/master skills i'd get resisted alot less and therefore i'd be more effective in combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With that said i would definitely upgrade my damage skills to adept3 or master if i had the opportunity to do so.</DIV>

[Draakard]

Sneak Attack t1Ruse for t3 Craven Delight t4are only adept3 s I made - besides having Buschwack as Master1 - .Buschwack, try to use it on long fights with sneak trick, it is very useful with 17% slow effect on mobs and you can use it from any side.Rest is very much ok as app4 imo.I am looking forward to make a few adept3 s for t5 stuff cause skills like lvl 50 debuff spell makes lower 4k AC or similar. I am lvl 45 and so far from t5 skills I still dont see A MUST like Ruse at t5 besides that Debuff. I am saving my rhodium for it. And bout that grey skills to less damage to higher lvl mobs isnt true, you can still do your Hidden Shiv to a lvl 40+ mob with the normal damage. It depends on the weapons you are using, if the mob resists piercing or slashing; he can resist your arts as well. That is what I experienced, I still use Ellies Aggresive Stabs ( training version of Vicious Flurry and it is green at lvl45 ) instead of lvl 40 version - Aggravated Assault - cause you can hit 3 times and do more damage, like the training version of Shank.I still have Sneak Attack adept3 on my primary hotbar since it doesnt make any conflict with any other damage skill and with adept3 still hitting 100s.<p>Message Edited by Draakard on <span class=date_text>03-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:14 AM</span><p>Message Edited by Draakard on <span class=date_text>03-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:17 AM</span>

[Aral]

<DIV>So let's bring it down to a choice:  Would you, in the 40s, invest in an Adept 3 hidden shiv or Adept 3 Craven delight?  Given the choice (ie not enough money for both). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With the much higher dot ticks of Shiv, I honestly think it will still outdo CD. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This seems like a continuing case of the "cut and paste" problems the wizards and warlocks faced prior to their big patch.  CD just isn't finished yet.  There is no way the designers intended for us to get a skill over 10 levels later that does less damage and uses same reuse timer. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I lucked out and obtained a master 1 Run Through in a guild group a week back, anyone know if this will be a good upgrade at 49? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kende]

<P>Well, here's an example of how our arts scale as we level.</P> <P>For Hidden Shiv Adept 1:  I took a screenshot @ level 30.  Dtrick posted the screenshot info for level 38.8 (which I shamelessly stole, er, borrowed).</P> <P><IMG src="http://baronken.com/files/BrigandArtspics/HidShivCompare1.jpg"></P> <P>From level 30 --> 38.8:<BR>Power increased by 6<BR>1st damage increased by 5<BR>DoT increased by 8 every 4 seconds<BR>2nd damage increased by 45(min) to 75(max)</P> <P>Kend<BR>30 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A><BR></P>

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendera wrote:<BR> <P> (which I shamelessly stole, er, borrowed).</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>We are Rogues, no shame in stealing around here, hehe.<BR>

[MattyJ]

Hey All,Long time lurker, first time poster <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Firstly, I mainly play a solo Brigand, i've just about solo'd the entire way to my current level of 35, so this post is mainly from a solo point of view.When i upgrade my CA's from app1 -> app4/adept1 i pick the ones i use the most. I'm not to concerned about whether the adept1's do more damage or how much more damage, i'm mainly concerned with how much a CA get's resisted. When i'm soloing yellow and orange mobs, i like every CA i perform to count.I find, that from the front of a mob (where i mainly stand while i solo, hehe) the adept1 CA's get resisted ALOT less than the app1's.My current play is mainly doing the "Blood Cleansing" writ in Rivervale killing the rabid hounds (lvl 36-37 mobs) and after i recently upgraded about 6 CA's to adept1, i noticed a HUGE difference to how much quicker i could drop them with upgraded CA's. I didn't notice a big difference in how much they hit for, it only marginally increased. What it did notice was that the upgraded CA's just seem to land a lot more than they did previously (on yellow and orange con mob's).I don't know whether other people have noticed this or whether it doesn't really matter for grouping brigands that mainly stand behind the mob, it's just something else to consider is all i'm trying to say i guess. Just my 2cp <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Odaan35 Barbarian Brigand of NajenaOfficer of Heresy

[Zerim]

<DIV>this thread won't stop showing as new for me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>