/respec - What to pick in Advanced Training options (compiled) ?

[Zerim]

<P>I know this has been discussed in separate threads, but I (like most males) like one stop shopping.</P> <P>When I /respec, in your experience, which of these training powers are more useful than the others?</P> <P>I'm leaning towards the ones in red...</P> <P><STRONG><U>Rogue (Level 10)</U></STRONG><BR>Hanns's Quick Stab - An advanced form of Quick Strike. As a bonus to Quick Strike it costs no power. <BR>Locke's Careless Sideswipe - An advanced form of Sneak Attack. As a bonus to Sneak Attack it deals additional piercing damage over-time. <BR>Fiddy's Handy Distraction - An advanced form of Evade. As a bonus to Evade it has no cast time and can be used more frequently. <BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Elisi's Swift Sneak - An advanced form of Sneak. As a bonus to Sneak it has a quicker casting time.</FONT></P> <P><STRONG><U>Brigand (Level 20)</U></STRONG><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Locke's Shameful Kick - An advanced form of Gouge. As a bonus to Gouge it can be used more frequently and interrupts the target. </FONT><BR>Elisi's Wounding Gash - An advanced form of Backstab. As a bonus to Backstab it allows the brigand to attack from the flank, and can be used slightly more frequently. <BR>Tani's Circular Flurry - An advanced form of Circular Strike. As a bonus to Circular Strike it deals additional slashing damage over-time to all opponents struck. <BR>Nestral's Relentless Advance - An advanced form of Rash Advance. As a bonus to Rash Advance it has a longer duration.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Brigand (Level 30)</U></STRONG><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Elisi's Aggressive Stabs - An advanced form of Vicious Flurry. As a bonus to Vicious Flurry it has an additional attack. </FONT><BR>Tani's Slaparound - An advanced form of Knockaround. As a bonus to Knockaround it costs no power. <BR>Nestral's Ambidexterous Display - An advanced form of Risky Advance. As a bonus to Risky Advance it allows brigands a chance to activate a melee attack that strikes two targets. <BR>Locke's Cussing Gale - An advanced form of Cuss. As a bonus to Cuss it has an increased hate effect.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Brigand (Level 40)</U></STRONG><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Elisi's Merciless Shank - An advanced form of Shank. As a bonus to Shank it deals direct damage at the end of the effect. </FONT><BR>Tani's Violent Rake - An advanced form of Vicious Rake. As a bonus to Vicious Rake it decreases spell avoidance. <BR>Locke's Ruthless Mugging - An advanced form of Mug. As a bonus to Mug it siphons power from the target. <BR>Nestral's Reflexive Knave - An advanced form of Knave. As a bonus to Knave it has a longer duration.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks!</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Sinadi]

I chose the ones you have in red. I quite like elisi's shank. Haven't tried the Gouge upgrate as far as getting aggro; and I was fairly underwhelmed with locke's ruthless mugging. I like the swift sneak for the fast cast time as I've mentioned before.

[Kende]

<DIV>From a 27th level perspective...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you like to perform stealth attacks in combat (I do), then Swift Sneak is a MUST!  With only a 1 second cast time, I barely have time to turn off autoattack (this is good) :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I chose Locke's Shameful Kick at 20th and have used it regularly while soloing and duoing with a healer.  I get an upgrade in 2 levels (Vicious Stab), but the quicker reuse time of Locke's Kick may prolong its life.  I'll have to try it out and see which is best.  My other potential choice for 20th level (if I /respec) is Tani's Circular Flurry, but for you, you've already got 2 upgrades to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for levels 30th and 40th, those I cannot comment on (yet), but my choices align with yours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I don't /respec, my choices will be the same as yours in red :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend</DIV> <DIV>27 Brigand</DIV> <DIV>Black Talons</DIV> <DIV>Najena server</DIV>

[Korelen]

Fiddy's Handy DistractionI went with this the first time, and I will choose this skill again. Evade never gets upgraded, has an instant cast time, and a 20 second recast. I use it all the time to maintain my aggro.

[Dainger]

<DIV>  I haven't been on my brigand for a little while now...at 20 i chose "Tani's Circular Flurry" and my Brig is very happy w/ it.  I think at lvl 20 or 21 it does an initial AE of 30 something, w/ an additional 3 or 4 DoT procs for like 27 each.  Also this ability is akin to circular strike in that it is a true AE attack - so you can DoT several encounters at once if the situation calls for it.  All in all it's a great AE damage ability, if AE is your thing.</DIV> <DIV>  I am curious whether or not Gouge is on the same timer as Cuss.  Locke's Shameful Kick was the other ability i almost chose at the time, and opted to go AE for fun, and due to the slight possibility that Gouge and Cuss would be on the same timer.</DIV>

[Korelen]

They are not on the same timer.

[jhessal69]

<DIV>It really depends on what lvl you are gettin your respec. I really really like</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Locke's Careless Sideswipe - An advanced form of Sneak Attack. As a bonus to Sneak Attack it deals additional piercing damage over-time. for leveling up. I still use this at 26 and its a great attack.  If, however, youre far beyond this then id get the Swift Sneak... i only do stealth attacks in the beginning of combat, so it dosent really help me at all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Krastus]

Been through two respecs so far and have had a chance to try a few things. Things to bear in mind is that all these trainings are the equiv level of skill but as adept2, and when does that skill get upgraded? (not another skill on same timer, but actually upgraded)Fiddy's Handy Distraction - upgrade Evade - it's instant, it has a faster refresh. It doesn't get upgraded yet.Locke's Shamefull Kick - Gouge is one of your main soling attacks. Even when you get the next attack on that timer it doesn't compare to the damage from gouge. With the adept2 kick training you have high damage frontal attack and the option of a debuff attack if not in front of the mob.Elisi's Aggressive Stabs - extra DPS - tried the free knockdown upgrade and not much improvement, extra attacks is always good and again it's a free adept2 with a long lifespan.

[b3taha]

<u>Rogue (Level 10)</u><b>Fiddy's Handy Distraction - An advanced form of Evade. As a bonus to Evade it has no cast time and can be used more frequently.</b><u>Brigand (Level 20)</u><b>Locke's Shameful Kick - An advanced form of Gouge. As a bonus to Gouge it can be used more frequently and interrupts the target. </b><u>Brigand (Level 30)</u><b>Elisi's Aggressive Stabs - An advanced form of Vicious Flurry. As a bonus to Vicious Flurry it has an additional attack. </b><u>Brigand (Level 40)</u><b>Elisi's Merciless Shank - An advanced form of Shank. As a bonus to Shank it deals direct damage at the end of the effect. </b>From what I understand those are the ones to get. I am not level 30 or 40 yet so I have not picked those. But when it comes to the time I will.Rogue 10, the advanced form of evade is the best pick because there is not cast timer and perfect for getting off HO's in groups. It has proven to be invaulable.Brigand 20, The advanced form of gouge is the best pick period. I tried Ellisi's wounding gash, and it was good for awhile but got upgraded by another attack that is better not to long down the road.Brigand 30, heard this was the best to pick because of the extra damage and the other ones don't see to good. Especially the advanced form of cuss beacause later on you get a new taunt and Risky Aedvanced has a chance to hit two opponents making it possible to break mezzes.Brigand 40, Advanced form of mugging is worthless because it does not siphon any noticable amount of power. So it would either be the Knave or Shank upgrade. Leaning towards shank right now.My two cents.

[Kegofbud]

<DIV> I tried using the Quick Stab option to replace the weak Quick Strike and ws surprised that the new advanced one was on the same timer as Disarmign Thrust. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because they have the same skill icon but so did Quick Strike. Perhaps Quick Strike was supposed to be upgraded by Disarming Thrust but the link is broken in some way? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Anyway, I took the Advanced Circular Strike attack thinking it would be worthless compared to my Restitution Adept 1 but I was wrong. I ended up replacing Restitution with it. It does 3 times the damage to all the surrounding mobs thanks to the DoT. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other then that, I kept Agressive Stabs, that is great. Also changed from the larger power pool option to the 5 extra per tick power regen. Over the length of a fight, you rgene more then the 35 extra power you would've had. I'm glad I finally got to change that mistake I made.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> b3tahack wrote:<BR><BR>Rogue 10, the advanced form of evade is the best pick because there is not cast timer and perfect for getting off HO's in groups. It has proven to be invaulable.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I have to disagree for level 10 the swift sneak is the best pick.  We already have 4 skills that can activate the coin icon and most are a .5 sec cast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With evade adept 3 being better than the evade training option, the quick sneak would be the best choice.  I now have a skill I can invis midfight in 1 second to use Bushwhack.  It can also be used to trigger the mask icon for HOs.  All of our other skills with the mask icon take 3 seconds to cast.  With the HO time limit being 10 seconds, the 1 second cast is very valuable for pulling off some of the 3 and 4 part HOs.  The quick sneak ability is a great addition to your skills.</DIV>

[Jon]

<DIV>I thought the power regen ability you get is out-of-combat based only? Is it a constant regen during combat too?</DIV>

[Eris]

<DIV>I think its out of combat only. I myself choose the increase powerpool stuffs twice (class+iksar racial trait) since ill soon get manastone and PGT and then poweregen will no longer be a prob</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>would be nice if some high lvl posted the lvl 50 choices here</DIV>

[Sinadi]

There are no 50 choices.

[ag]

I tookFiddy's Handy DistractionTani's Circular FlurryElisi's Aggressive StabsTani's Violent Rake-Handy Distraction because of the zero casting time (awesome for HO's)-Circular Flurry because it's extremely useful in slaughtering groups of greys (which I end up doing alot of)-Aggressive Stabs because it's second only to Ruse in damage output-Violent Rakes because it makes the casters smile. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (it lowers spell avoidance by 2 levels, and is very noticable)

[Ratt]

Lvl 10: Elisi's Swift Sneak - An advanced form of Sneak. As a bonus to Sneak it has a quicker casting time.I will respec to this most likely.I originally picked the sneak attack version (its on distracting blade timer however <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) and find it underwhelming wrt to distracting blade, if it was on sneak attacks timer it would be ok as SA doesn't get replaced afaik.Lvl 20: Tani's Circular Flurry - An advanced form of Circular Strike. As a bonus to Circular Strike it deals additional slashing damage over-time to all opponents struck.I am getting this one again a nice AOE dot is the go when your grouped etc its usually my opening attack atm followed by ruse <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (not too bad against solo mobs either) I can definitely recommend it, atm I don't use gouge so much and have several other frontal attacks but I don't solo as much.(only lvl24 atm)The decreasing spell avoidance adv vicious rake sounds like a goer as I know my caster friends hate that resist msg with a vengeance.

[Jon]

<DIV>I went with the level 10 Evade ability, since that doesn't get upgraded for a LONG time and the upgrades allegedly don't function properly. Moreover, it's the only detaunt we have that doesn't debilitate us in some fashion (Self Preservation slows your attack rate by 10%).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also opted for the level 20 upgrade to Rash Advance. Rash Advance, the skill, is -2 defence and +11 offensive skills (piercing, slashing, et al). The training upgrade is -1 defence but the same offence. I figure it like this: the gouge upgrade can only be used up front, for instance soloing or a lot of group-dancing; the AE-DOT upgrade is risky in good groups and difficult to use in confined or thick-with-mob locales; but the rash advance lasts a decent amount of time, upgrades my attacks by two full levels, and there's very little detraction from it. So I can use it while soloing or while grouping, from any angle. That's a thumbs up from me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For reference, the upgrade to rash advance (Risky Advance if I recall the name correctly) is -3 defence and +14 offensive skills. Not a huge upgrade, so I'm not too concerned. Plus mine lasts double the duration.</DIV>

[Sinadi]

FWIW, a 10% slow on your attack rate isn't going to impact you all that much. Most of our damage comes from combat arts which are on their own timers and thus unaffected by haste/slow. Only your regular swings will be slower, and if you're like most rogues, you probably use ridiculously quick weapons anyway. Swift sneak is invaluable for actually getting to use our line of 'from stealth' arts.Evade doesn't really get an upgrade, but IMO it isn't worth losing out on the quick sneak ability. This ability will be even more valuable when they get around to fixing the bug with smuggler's talent.

[Kende]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> agra wrote:<BR>-Violent Rakes because it makes the casters smile. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (it lowers spell avoidance by 2 levels, and is very noticable)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>How does it compare to Murderous Rake (Adept ?), which is 14 levels above Vicious Rake and 8 levels above Violent Rake (Training option based on Vicious Rake)?</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>This choice is starting to sound appealing, more so for raid mobs.  And with increased output from mage types upcoming, even better.  Luckily, I have quite a few levels to go before I have to decide.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>28 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server</DIV>

[ag]

That's the primary reason I chose it, because I know it will be useful from 40-48 at least. I don't know how it compares to Murderous Rake in damage or AC removal, maybe someone can post the text description from Murderous Rake Adept 1?I figure 8 levels of a Master 1 skill is worth it regardless, though.

[Kende]

<DIV>Thanks for the reply agra.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You get the level 40th training option at Master 1 level?  I know the 10th and 20th were at Adept 2 level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>28 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server</DIV>

[ag]

mmmmm hm. Now you have me doubting myself. I know it's Master for the mob-specific sinister strikes. I'll have to check that to be sure.

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Can someone post the damage description for the level 40 training skill Elisi's Merciless Shank?</DIV>

[Jon]

<DIV>Sinidial, you lost me there. How is that level 10 training 'Swift Sneak' any better than any of our other sneak abilities? It's stealth range is very similar to Smuggler's Talent, which to be honest is a worthless skill to me (not only because it's a double with no real benefit, but also because I'm past the levels where it's useful in level range). Does Swift Sneak affect our abilities in some other way? Being able to stealth during combat, for instance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm still content with my choice, even if the above speculation on my part  comes to pass as true. I don't think I'd trade two levels of offence and consistency in hits (and skills) for an extra sneak attack. Maybe I'm just trying to rationalise it though, laugh.</DIV>

[Play-D]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P>Jonas wrote: How is that level 10 training 'Swift Sneak' any better than any of our other sneak abilities? <HR> </P> <P>Simply because it has a much faster casting time. It allows the user to lose out on less melee if they choose to use stealth strikes in the middle of a battle. Its usefullness is only for that reason, not to avoid combat.</P>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>It is also only a 1 second cast time, which is very useful in pulling off HOs.</DIV>

[Sinadi]

*chuckle* thanks for answering that question for me guys. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Yeah, I love it because it casts so quickly, I can actually use my stealth attacks without losing much time.It's useless to avoid enemies (I got it when I was 40something), and I think the move speed on Lurk is faster too. But it can't be beat for a quick in-combat stealth and then run through. And yes the 1 sec cast is handy for advancing HOs too.

[Lorian42]

Well, i think before you choose the skills themselves you have to decide what approach you want to take:"Best for my current level" or "Best once i'm Lvl 50"I went the second approach here and took the following skills:Rogue (Level 10)Fiddy's Handy Distraction - An advanced form of Evade. As a bonus to Evade it has no cast time and can be used more frequently.Brigand (Level 20)Locke's Shameful Kick - An advanced form of Gouge. As a bonus to Gouge it can be used more frequently and interrupts the target.Brigand (Level 30)Tani's Slaparound - An advanced form of Knockaround. As a bonus to Knockaround it costs no power.Reasons for these Choices:Lvl10:a) Doesn't get upgraded so you can add a lillte bit to decreasing your aggro even at high Levels (less important though)b) Coin Symbol with Casting-time of _ZERO_. You want to do Group-HOs and be able to roll away Buffs that are still active? You pick this!Lvl20:Well, shares a Timer with another damage attack. But this doesn't have increased aggro.When in a Group with only 1 Tank-Class i see the Brigand as they one who has to jump in and pull away strayed Mobs from your Healer if need comes to be. This Choice basically is your 3rd Taunt to be able to fulfill this Roll (Beside the range attack and Cuss and its advanced Forms)Lvl30:Coin-Symbol at _ZERO_ Mana. Nothing more to add here.

[Krastus]

Zero mana cost coin for altering HO is great if your OOP on a long fight, but what are you going to use to complete the HO?

[Argaman]

Well Krastus, if you respec and did the advanced knockaround, plus the level 10 choice Hann's quickstab, neither of those use power, so you could have 0 power HOs every 10 seconds. I'm not sure its worth it however...

[Kende]

<DIV>Well, I /respec'd last night (at level 29.5).  My choices:</DIV> <DIV>Before: <EM>Elisi's Swift Sneak</EM>, <EM>Locke's Shameful Kick</EM></DIV> <DIV>After:  <EM>Elisi's Swift Sneak, </EM><EM>Tani's Circular Flurry</EM></DIV> <DIV>I got my old Gouge back when I lost <EM>Kick</EM>.  Doing a lot of soloing in the D'Morte Burial Chamber, I noticed the difference in timers (<EM>Kick</EM>'s 15sec vs. Gouge's 20sec).  However, at 29.6 I got Vicious Stab (replaced Gouge) and though the timer is the same (20sec), the requirement to be in front is gone, and the damage is better (both were Adept 1), though I'm not sure it's better than <EM>Kick</EM>.</DIV> <DIV>Now, <EM>Tani</EM>'s is nice!  It does more damage with it's DoT, more than Restitution at Adept 1.  When soloing multiples and using <EM>Tani</EM>'s, it's nice to see that when you get to the next target, he's already damaged a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At 30 (15% to go!), I still plan to choose Elisi's Aggressive Stabs.  And at 40 I now plan to choose Tani's Violent Rake (the spell avoidance debuff sounds too useful to me).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend<BR>29 Brigand<BR>Black Talons<BR>Najena server<BR><BR><A href="http://baronken.com/files/EQ2BrigandArts.htm" target=_blank>Brigand Combat Arts upgrade paths (shared timers)</A></DIV>

[serbato]

<DIV>Please forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I did a search for the topic and came back with nothing. I also post this on this thread because it discusses Brigand specific abilities and would greatly change what abilities I picked at 10-20-30-40. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know that in some MMO's if you choose a specific line of spells, you can get a specialized spell or ability later on. Does EQ2 have anything like this? In other words, does anyone know if I stayed with, say the Elisi's line, is it possible to get a better ability at a later level?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would probably make more sense if all abilities were more in line with each other (like an AE line or Backstab upgrade line). Any info anyone would have would be appreciated as I think I am gonna wait till 50 to /respec so I don't have to worry about if an ability is better for and xp grind, quest, or raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Calen </DIV> <DIV>42 Brigand Unrest</DIV>

[TricksyRaton]

<DIV>Fiddy's Dandy Distraction is great for HO's because you can trigger them without any cast time, and who couldn't use a little hate loss to boot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also chose Tani's Circuler Strike, because our ae is generally lame regardless of what level you are, so making it a DoT improves it's eventual damage over restitution, so it's more of a benefit than the others imho.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by TricksyRatonga on <SPAN class=date_text>03-07-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:33 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by TricksyRatonga on <span class=date_text>03-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:33 PM</span>

[Strifex]

<DIV> <DIV>I posted this in the other thread:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I actually did choose Locke's at lvl 40 for the reason that it gives 34 power everytime you use it and I am in a raiding guild that uses alot of HOs all with scout somewhere in it. Over the course of a 20 min fight the amount of times I use locke's to start and swap HOs gives me a good chunk of power. While the extra 200-300 damage from upgraded shiv is good, the amount of power i get which in return translates into more damage skills outweighs this extra shiv damage.</DIV></DIV>

[DarkIsa]

<DIV>at 41 im using the following:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-<FONT color=#ff0033><U>Locke's Careless Sideswipe </U></FONT>: its not on the same timer as craven delight or hidden shiv, and it stacks with either of those. since hidden/craven have slightly  long recast timers, and this one has a short one, i find i use it alot. it does share same timer as our ac/stat debuff but i just bounce back and forth between using them depending on what is needed. even though its grey at this level i still get decent damage with it.</DIV> <DIV>-<U><FONT color=#ff3300>Elisi's Wounding Gash </FONT></U>:  shares same reuse timer as craven delight and hidden shiv, so mainly i  use this simply for times when i cant get behind the target. suprisingly, this happens alot in corridors.  im not too big on using aoes, and we get enough stuns and interupt type things that i didnt think a frontal interupt would be that useful. maybe for soloing, but at 40+ its usually not realy advisable to be in front of the things you will be fighting in groups.</DIV> <DIV>-<U><FONT color=#ff0033>Elisi's Aggressive Stabs </FONT></U>: just good  medium damage attack that doesnt require a specific position. its a little buggy when using in a HO, or after ruse( like ruse to eas will complete the ho but only gives one of 3 hits, but ruse to eas w/o an ho usualy will land all 3 hits but they seem to hit all at once ). but in groups its pretty handy. doesnt seem to miss too much for me.</DIV> <DIV>-<U><FONT color=#ff0000>Locke's Ruthless Mugging </FONT></U>: why? well, stacks with knockaround so its possible to keep 2 debuffs on the target if you keep up with it. shank was tempting for the better dot/dmg, as was rake for the slightly better agi debuff and spell debuff. these to me were tougher choices. i guess it just depends on what you want to do in group. dps over one of the 2 debuffs. i would go for mugging or rake.  on the issue of the power siphon, true it doesnt seem to give much back, maybe a tick, i do see the bar move but its just a tiny bump. still, its a debuff with free power, that you take from the target. </DIV><p>Message Edited by DarkIsamu on <span class=date_text>03-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:40 AM</span>

[Zagur]

<P>Just wanted to quickly add my support to picking Locke's Ruthless Mugging (LRM) at level 40. At level 40 the ability takes something like 45 to cast but it gives me 79 power (I think) back. To you get 34 power from using the ability.</P> <P>That might not sound like much, but factor it in over the length of a fight and it makes a significant difference. Assuming the "average" fight lasts about sixty seconds and you cast Mug or LRM every ten seconds when it recycles, the differences are . . . .</P> <P>Using Mug - 45 Power times 6 casts = 270 power used</P> <P>Using LRM - (79 Power minus 45 power) times 6 casts = 204 power gained</P> <P>Over the course of an "average" fight, using LRM over Mug therefore results in a difference of 474 power. Considering I have around 1500 power (unbuffed) this is a huge difference for me. When I factored in that this is the only ability that actually gives you power while there are a lot of ways to increase damage potential, picking Locke's Ruthless Mugging was a no-brainer for me.</P> <P>Just my 2 cents :smileyhappy:</P>

[Sinadi]

I actually get to raid now, though on my Warden. :/ But FWIW I think my level 40 pick would be either the Locke's Ruthless Mugging for the power sucking part, or else the Rake upgrade. I can see how making a raid mob easier to hit with spells would be an amazing benefit. I still have Morchaint's respec saved so I may actually take the time to switch from the Shiv upgrade to one of the others. <div></div>

[VettsVey]

<DIV> <P><STRONG><U>Brigand (Level 20)</U></STRONG><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Locke's Shameful Kick - An advanced form of Gouge. As a bonus to Gouge it can be used more frequently and interrupts the target. </FONT><BR>Elisi's Wounding Gash - An advanced form of Backstab. As a bonus to Backstab it allows the brigand to attack from the flank, and can be used slightly more frequently.<BR>Tani's Circular Flurry - An advanced form of Circular Strike. As a bonus to Circular Strike it deals additional slashing damage over-time to all opponents struck.<BR>Nestral's Relentless Advance - An advanced form of Rash Advance. As a bonus to Rash Advance it has a longer duration.</P> <P> </P> <P>I had to go with Tani's Circular Flurry namely for multi mobs.  Already have 2 single taunts.  Why change out 1 single target for another?  Hitting a group of mobs (talking bout 3 or more) , and adding in a dot helps maintain aggro on me when tanking with Inquis and a Pred.  Especially if poison procs as well.  Ouch! :smileywink:</P></DIV>

[Fig]

<P>I thought I was being smart so I saved my 1 respec for when I hit 50 and after I had done all the research I could.</P> <P>This is from the view of raiding constantly, my "goal" in EQ2 if you will.  Here's what I have done and what I have found.</P> <P>On the respec I picked up Swift Sneak.  Originally I didn't see a use so I picked another option.  Today, when raiding, I use it with Run Through every time they refresh and I LOVE IT!</P> <P>I also gave up Locke's Ruthless Mugging in place of Tani's Violent Rake.  Rake claims to debuff the mob's spell avoidance 10 points, which is 2 levels right?  Surely this would come in handy at raids.  Also, LRM only gave back a little power and on raids I've got mana regen and all sorts of power buffs right?</P> <P>I HATE VIOLENT RAKE!  (that's not a flame, I just needed emphasis so you didn't miss what I said, hehe)</P> <P>I've never once been on a raid and heard anyone not being able to hit the mob until I Rake it.  Darathar still resists as many spells as without it. I do however run out of power too often.</P> <P>I WANT MY MUGGING BACK!  heheh</P> <P>Just wanted to give a lvl 50 raiding Brigand view especially since I've been able to try 2 different skills in 2 different tiers.</P> <P> </P>

[Damari]

<DIV> <DIV> <P>Hi all, Im digging this old thread up cause there's a respec in the wind and im bored.</P> <P>lvl 10: Quick sneak.  Cant beat it.  You can cycle run-through every 15 seconds and the reduced cast time makes it No. 1.</P> <P>Lvl 20: Wounding Gash:  At 50, this is useful when you cant get behind the mob.  Any damage is good damage.</P> <P>Lvl 30: Tanis Slaparound:  The level 30 skills don't seem to have much use at 50, but I macro this for my solo HO's when all I want is the buff.  It cost 0 power and combined with quick strike, you can self HO buff for 11 power.  In this regard its better than ruthless mugging because for mugging, you have to have the power first before you gain the drain.  The beauty of both skills is that they have a 10 sec recast time but a 36 sec duration, so you can use both quite well. </P> <P>Lvl 40: Ruthless Mugging for the win.  Now that GEBS, RoI and other power regen items have been hit hard, this becomes the skill of choice for me.  Shank is great damage at 45th but Shiv ad3 is close to it and the extra power from mugging IMO is worth more than the extra 100ish damage.</P> <P>Thats it. Loot all, deny everything.</P></DIV></DIV>