Thank You

[b3taha]

On February 6, 2005 the Devs patched the skill Ruse to be doing its former amount of damage. Altho the damage is still allocated to us it is fair. Because it is not a skill that we can do without the chance of taking aggro.I have not tested if they put it back up to its former strength but I believe they uped its strength by some which is great by me. Thanks. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Thanks for the fix and the attention Devs.</DIV>

[Dimidri]

<DIV>I <3 Devs now.</DIV>

[Aral]

<DIV>Another thank you to the devs for the fix, and to Blackguard for reading our board and passing the information along.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ruse is my true "fun" spell.  Sure the berzerker tanks (and apparently also guardians paladins later on) do more overall damage at level 38 (which is still incomprehensible but that's another issue)  but at least I can still pop one eye out of a 5-group. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  That keeps the game fun for me.  Brigands don't fight fair, we look for the weakest member of the opposition and put them down hard... mage-mob-killing seems to be one of my roles as a brigand. Ruse makes that possible, and fun. </DIV>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>So wait, they fixed it's damage back to how it was a week ago, but now parsed it to us?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Excellent.</DIV>

[Mideo]

<DIV>Why do you guys feel the need to parse your damage anyway?  We're gamers, not mathletes.  I have no sweet clue how much damage I do compared to other classes, or if I'm squeezing every last point of damage out of all my skills.  I just use my skills as I see fit and enjoy myself.  Turning the game into a formula just makes it boring and tedious.</DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>MideonV wrote:<DIV>Why do you guys feel the need to parse your damage anyway? We're gamers, not mathletes. I have no sweet clue how much damage I do compared to other classes, or if I'm squeezing every last point of damage out of all my skills. I just use my skills as I see fit and enjoy myself. Turning the game into a formula just makes it boring and tedious.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I don't parse. But the damage come from us now. So potentially we can use it twice in long fights.

[Um]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MideonV wrote:<BR> <DIV>Why do you guys feel the need to parse your damage anyway?  We're gamers, not mathletes.  I have no sweet clue how much damage I do compared to other classes, or if I'm squeezing every last point of damage out of all my skills.  I just use my skills as I see fit and enjoy myself.  Turning the game into a formula just makes it boring and tedious.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I enjoy powergaming and maximizing every aspect of my character just like you enjoy not worrying about it. Whenever i play a game i play it to the best of my ability. So i parse my damage and always search for ways to improve. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone's free to play the game in a manner which they enjoy most as long as they don't intentionally reduce other players enjoyment.</DIV>

[Annubi]

I just like to smak the assassin in my guild with my e-[FaarNerfed!], and parsing helps me do that :smileytongue:Seriously though, you would be surprised how much faster your group mows through mobs when all the DPS players know that you are parsing.<p>Message Edited by Annubi on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:27 AM</span>

[navymichael]

<DIV>Too bad it doesn't update to EQ2players rankings.  Assassins get more groups artly due to that I think.</DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>navymichael wrote:<DIV>Too bad it doesn't update to EQ2players rankings. Assassins get more groups artly due to that I think.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Maybe so, but lets not trail off topic and make this a flamer. I checked my damage with Ruse. (adept 1, level 25 Brigand) I am not doing the full damage I did before, but I am now doing damage that is in between the nerfed one and our old one. Around the High 500's to low 500's.So I am fine with that. Thanks ^_^

[Dtrick]

<DIV>I am doing about the same damage as I was doing before the mix up.  I am now 27th on my server for highest hit.  I did 1334 with Adept 3 to a caster last night.  That is about right and I can not wait to get my high 1500+ again. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Gratz to Crik for being #3 on our server now.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dtrick on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span>

[Krastus]

<DIV>At least it flushed out all the short tempered whiners from the Brigand class <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Cordanim]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> Too bad it doesn't update to EQ2players rankings.  Assassins get more groups artly due to that I think. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Yes it does - it should show on your Achievements tab - under "Highest Magic Hit"...I just checked mine and it's 1179 (43rd on Najena <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ) And I don't agree with the assassin grouping thing...I usually get a group just by having LFG up no problem...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks devs for fixing this one and also making it show as our damage...some of us like to see what we do - good job!</DIV></DIV>

[Molando]

Values seem to take quite a time to show up (half a day/a day).<p>Message Edited by Molando on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:15 AM</span>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Dtrick wrote:<DIV>I am doing about the same damage as I was doing before the mix up. I am now 27th on my server for highest hit. I did 1334 with Adept 3 to a caster last night. That is about right and I can not wait to get my high 1500+ again. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>And Gratz to Crik for being #3 on our server now.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dtrick on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span><hr></blockquote>Kool. Congrats.

[Zerim]

<DIV>Yeah it shows up on magic damage : </DIV> <DIV> <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?serverId=101&action=CharacterAgg.getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankServer&type=HighestMagicalHit" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?serverId=101&action=CharacterAgg.getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankServer&type=HighestMagicalHit</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the "killing blow" bug seems to be gone. I finished many fights last night with Ruse and still got the chests and quest credit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mathletes LOL. Yeah I had a friendly assassin in the group ask me to quit posting numbers from combatstats. Here is the remarks cut and pasted from the log:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>You say to the group,"GRP 12164:1927:304.1</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>HH crik 2000:surprise blow</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>crik 4176:78:104.4</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>apachuichank 3094:65:77.4</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>colossus 2795:1579:69.9</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>disgruntled_assassin</FONT> 1681:69:42.0</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>drakkus 256:66:6.4</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>rygarn 162:70:4.1</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>"<BR>(110776309<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Sun Feb 06 23:58:18 2005] aPC 2556720 <FONT color=#ff0000>disgruntled_assassin</FONT>/a says to the group,"k we know who pwns all damage,  can w eskip the assassin taunter?"</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks SOE for correcting the combat art.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:32 AM</span>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>[FaarNerfed!] Crik, did you do twice the damage the assassin did?  Am I reading the numbers correctly?</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Well, Ruse hits for 1500-1700 normally. 2K is a spike but happens with some frequency.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To be fair, this was only the second or 3rd fight with this assassin in the group, the 40 wizard he replaced that I was outdamaging had already /disband'ed <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Often times, people will slack until parser numbers are put into the group chat - after the assassin requested for me to stop parsing (which I did) he faired much better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find that people who have no expectations of their damage numbers (i.e non-DPS classes) love seeing them, whereas DPS classes that don't get the results they want to see, ask me to turn it off - and I always do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kende]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zerimar wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Often times, people will slack until parser numbers are put into the group chat - after the assassin requested for me to stop parsing (which I did) he faired much better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find that people who have no expectations of their damage numbers (i.e non-DPS classes) love seeing them, whereas DPS classes that don't get the results they want to see, ask me to turn it off - and I always do. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I agree that people seem to do better once they see their DPS numbers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Using CombatStats, it let's you preface the results.  I use /1 so that the DPS results go to a chat channel I have set up for showing the results (Kend_DPS).  I just tell the group they can check the DPS results by checking that chat channel.  No spam unless they specifically choose it :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kend</DIV> <DIV>25 Brigand</DIV> <DIV>Black Talons</DIV> <DIV>Najena server</DIV>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>Yeah, I made it up to 17th on Mistmoore now and I know I'll be going up further as I've only been fighting group mobs for XP. I have hit for high 1400s a plenty of times on lower mobs. Looks like my goal is top 10 tonight and knocking out another assassin. I know what you mean about the parser agroing group members too. Rangers get really disgusted and insist that it can't be right. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Ratt]

<blockquote><hr>Kegofbud wrote:<DIV>Yeah, I made it up to 17th on Mistmoore now and I know I'll be going up further as I've only been fighting group mobs for XP. I have hit for high 1400s a plenty of times on lower mobs. Looks like my goal is top 10 tonight and knocking out another assassin. I know what you mean about the parser agroing group members too. Rangers get really disgusted and insist that it can't be right. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><hr></blockquote>Hehe well even when those poor buggers are trying they don't fair nearly as well as us or assasins (only ever grouped with two so they might be aberrations).Definitely a big Thankyou to the dev's for fixing up ruse I just can't wait to get my adept3 scribed now <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gyilok]

<DIV>please don't make this post into "I hit this big, made me xth on my server whoa", for me those 2-3 days were enough with borked ruse, don't want to see that again</DIV> <DIV>if someone is interested in this kind of contest PM each other the ranking links, no need to post it, we all know ruse hits big, even bigger with adept3 or master, no need to make people jealous with posting numbers they will not see as their own</DIV>

[TricksyRaton]

<DIV>My Ruse has increased, but I haven't gotten as good as results as I did before the whole debacle.  I have a theory that they added ruse resistance, for I have constantly have 1000+ success on low level mobs, but many high level ones would alternation between 1000 and 400-500.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My previous high was 1500+ on a red++ mob.  I've only barely passed 1200 since all this.  Still, I am thankful that it was dealt with quickly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess I'll take what I can get. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Play-D]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P>Stizeyo Wrote:</P> <DIV>please don't make this post into "I hit this big, made me xth on my server whoa", for me those 2-3 days were enough with borked ruse, don't want to see that again</DIV> <DIV>if someone is interested in this kind of contest PM each other the ranking links, no need to post it, we all know ruse hits big, even bigger with adept3 or master, no need to make people jealous with posting numbers they will not see as their own</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Listen to the man.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ruse damage is nice, but without a full idea of our other skills it looks too nice to other classes. Parsing without pertinent info causes this type of thing, so does bragging about large numbers. I think we all hated dealing with Ruse after the unintended nerf, and I don't want to see our bragging as reasoning for an intentional one.</DIV>

[Play-D]

<DIV>double post</DIV><p>Message Edited by Play-Doh on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:05 AM</span>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Play-Doh wrote:<DIV><HR></DIV><P>Stizeyo Wrote:</P><DIV>please don't make this post into "I hit this big, made me xth on my server whoa", for me those 2-3 days were enough with borked ruse, don't want to see that again</DIV><DIV>if someone is interested in this kind of contest PM each other the ranking links, no need to post it, we all know ruse hits big, even bigger with adept3 or master, no need to make people jealous with posting numbers they will not see as their own</DIV><DIV><HR></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Listen to the man.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ruse damage is nice, but without a full idea of our other skills it looks too nice to other classes. Parsing without pertinent info causes this type of thing, so does bragging about large numbers. I think we all hated dealing with Ruse after the <u>unintended</u> nerf, and I don't want to see our bragging as reasoning for an intentional one.</DIV><hr></blockquote>In a way please don't make my thread into another, My Ruse hit for ####. Do that inside guid chat or in PMs, leave everyone in the dark this time. We don't want a repeat nerf. (I underlined unintended because it was intended.)<p>Message Edited by b3tahack on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:42 AM</span>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>The damage people are posting shows in the high magic hits anyway. If it was going to be nerfed, it would've been done at this time. The only thing they ever said about cutting back damage was on Master 1. It's doing they damage they intended. No one should be afraid of talking about it, the devs know exactly what it's doing by now.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kegofbud on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:49 AM</span>

[ag]

Yep, with Ruse I can do similar ( + or - one to five % ) damage as an Assassin of equal level, both chaining combat arts.Obviously, without, I do less. This is as I would expect.