The Brigand Revolt

[batter_then]

<DIV>Today was a sad day for brigands everywere and soloing ability and ruse was totally screwed... we need to join to speak out aginst SOE's unfair nerfing. Infact the whole scout class suffered today, we are the class that has had the worth effects be far....brigands didnt get it the worst but we allmost got it as bad losing are soloing ability with alot of are dps.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Blackguard on <span class=date_text>02-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:45 PM</span>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>What are you talking about? What happened?</DIV>

[batter_then]

<DIV>we got nerfed ruse got stolen from us and dodge and parry are useless</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Ruse was fixed, or is working like it used to now.</DIV>

[Mideo]

<DIV>Uh guys if we're gonna revolt can we get a different leader? haha</DIV>

[Annubi]

<blockquote><hr>Zerimar wrote:<DIV>Ruse was fixed, or is working like it used to now.</DIV><hr></blockquote>You spoke too soon :pRuse is again [Removed for Content]. The biggest problem I have with the current incarnation is that it does not go off if the mob does not make a melee attack (and hit, possibly). I just used it on a skindancer defiler, and the defiler took the opportunity to debuff me while I was lying on my face :p

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>I didn't have a single problem with Ruse last night and the servers were down this morning before work so I couldn't try anything. I used it plenty of times in a group last night and it went off whil targeting someone else and not being hit. I don't know what's going on if it's failing for you but I know it worked for me.</DIV> <P>Edit: After going back on and testing I agree, it's a broken P O S. Thanks SOE!</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Kegofbud on <span class=date_text>02-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:45 AM</span>

[Sinadi]

I can try in a few mins, but I noticed that they've broken shrouded strike again. This is exactly what happened yesterday. Ruse was back to normal after they fixed shrouded strike.Edit: Yep, ruse damage is lower now. Hopefully it goes back to normal when they gotta bring the servers down to fix shrouded strike. Anyone else feel like they're in Groundhog Day? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Sinadial on <span class=date_text>02-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:01 AM</span>

[Annubi]

Reading comprehension is a good thing :pThe use of the word "again" in my post would seem to indicate that something may have changed since the servers went down this morning <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ag]

As of 20050203, it has been changed to both be a 'normal' attack (mitigation, AC, to-hit checks all in effect) and as such, damage is also allocated to the Brigand.Also, Agility as an effect of deflection, parry, block etc, was also reduced.This has some very profound implications.- More aggro for us in groups, as the damage is now allocated to us, not pain and suffering. Given the way that Evade doesn't work worth a [FaarNerfed!], especially proactively, we're now going to consume more healing power.- Given we get more aggro, we're going to die more, because of the Agility nerf.- our DPS is now lower. Doesn't matter how you cut it, it's lower.- our ability to solo is now lessened. Again, relativism aside, it's now more difficult to solo as a Brigand. No argument about it.<b>Why</b> was this not in the patch notes? Ruse is a sub-class defining skill. Sheesh.

[Zerim]

<DIV>I knew a change was eventually coming, but the fact that it wasn't put in the update notes is clumsy at best, spurious at worst.</DIV>

[Annubi]

<blockquote><hr>agra wrote:As of 20050203, it has been changed to both be a 'normal' attack (mitigation, AC, to-hit checks all in effect) and as such, damage is also allocated to the Brigand.Also, Agility as an effect of deflection, parry, block etc, was also reduced.This has some very profound implications.- More aggro for us in groups, as the damage is now allocated to us, not pain and suffering. Given the way that Evade doesn't work worth a [FaarNerfed!], especially proactively, we're now going to consume more healing power.- Given we get more aggro, we're going to die more, because of the Agility nerf.- our DPS is now lower. Doesn't matter how you cut it, it's lower.- our ability to solo is now lessened. Again, relativism aside, it's now more difficult to solo as a Brigand. No argument about it.<b>Why</b> was this not in the patch notes? Ruse is a sub-class defining skill. Sheesh.<hr></blockquote>Nah, this change doesn't get you more aggro or cause you to need more healing in groups....Since the changes, it doesn't work in groups at all :pRuse is in fact bugged now. I have submitted a bug report, and I suggest everyone else do the same. All other changes aside, the fact that it requires a mob to hit you with a melee attack while you are face down in the dirt pretty much breaks the skill in many situations including grouping and fighting caster mobs, who tend to just cast spells on you while you are napping :p

[Aulerd]

Ruse is described as "A cunning "Attempt" to trick target. Brigand gains creature's attention and launchs a SURPRISE attack when the creature STIRKES". `Nuff said. As for its damage it was extreme since other scouts did not get an ability like that<p>Message Edited by Aulerdar on <span class=date_text>02-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:54 AM</span>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>Just more non brigands whining. Pansies.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aulerdar wrote:<BR>Ruse is described as "A cunning "Attempt" to trick target. Brigand gains creature's attention and launchs a SURPRISE attack when the creature STIRKES". `Nuff said. As for its damage it was extreme since other scouts did not get an ability like that <P>Message Edited by Aulerdar on <SPAN class=date_text>02-03-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:54 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Get off our board, whining Ranger.  You would think being a Ranger that you would know that Assassins do get skills with extreme damage.  You only state it was extreme because YOU (rangers) do not get an ability like this.  All this whining about us doing great damage and having great group utility is total BS.  Do you know what our group utility is: escape (all scouts), pathfinding (all scouts), group invis (never used, unless someone has to go afk, woohoo), and stuns (they don't work).  Go troll somewhere else.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dtrick on <span class=date_text>02-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>I don't know about you, Dtrick, but I use my Burgle quite alot for non AFK reasons.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Its very situational, but more times than others, the group just wants to kill whats in the way and not bother sneaking in.</DIV>

[ag]

<blockquote><hr>Aulerdar wrote:As for its damage it was extreme since <b>other scouts</b> did not get an ability like that<hr></blockquote>mmmm Assassins?Strange, but true.

[Jacobi]

<DIV>I'll say again that this is completely rediculous. If the devs are going to nerf our strongest skill, then THEY NEED TO boost our other lower hitting skills to keep us in line with the DPS of GUARDIANS (who's main utitilty is to TANK, not DPS.) Its just plain dumb that a guardian can out DPS a rogue. </DIV>

[Monterey Ja]

As far as group invis...Swashbucklers get a longer one, Druids get a longer one that does slow ya down, and one caster type gets a longer one that doesn't slow ya down...so at high end our group invis is obsoleet.

[MMODro]

I got out damaged by the monks and berserkers in my group since a mob has to hit me for ruse to go off now and thats impossable. I'm sure ruse is still great for solo but then you look at wizards who can pull red mob after red mob and that argument kinda shrivles up and dies.I might be addicted to mmo's but i'm not playing a class thats busted, i'm a [FaarNerfed!] not an idiot. When they do something to fix this i'll come back to brigand, but untill then its not worth my time.

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MMODrone wrote:<BR>I got out damaged by the monks and berserkers in my group since a mob has to hit me for ruse to go off now and thats impossable. I'm sure ruse is still great for solo but then you look at wizards who can pull red mob after red mob and that argument kinda shrivles up and dies.<BR><BR>I might be addicted to mmo's but i'm not playing a class thats busted, i'm a [FaarNerfed!] not an idiot. When they do something to fix this i'll come back to brigand, but untill then its not worth my time.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I feel the same way.  I jus wish that frogloks were implemented so I could make my Froglok Bruiser.  That was my future plan for an alt.

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>Between the agility changes, broken craven walk, tracking break and ruse nerf...I am just disgusted with my character at the moment. </DIV>

[Aulerd]

I love how you are just complete jerks aswell =). Assasins do not get a 60 second re-use 1000 damage hit so s t f u =). Oh and since you lack the intelligence to talk and just brand people as whiners for mearly pointing out your move is a COUNTER. (You obviously don't know what that means huh ?)All Brigands do is whine and think your all to elite to be told anything, All I wanted was to simply point out the move is ment as a counter and you fly off the handle at me? How mature.<p>Message Edited by Aulerdar on <span class=date_text>02-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:40 PM</span>

[Kyriel]

<DIV>IBL</DIV>

[Korelen]

I know last night I was hitting mobs in the 200-300 range with adept I Ruse against Corrupted Brigands in RiverVale ( Blue Cons ). I was disappointed in these numbers, and I used to see damage in the 500-600 range.

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aulerdar wrote:<BR>I love how you are just complete jerks aswell =). Assasins do not get a 60 second re-use 1000 damage hit so s t f u =). Oh and since you lack the intelligence to talk and just brand people as whiners for mearly pointing out your move is a COUNTER. (You obviously don't know what that means huh ?)<BR>All Brigands do is whine and think your all to elite to be told anything, All I wanted was to simply point out the move is ment as a counter and you fly off the handle at me? How mature. <P>Message Edited by Aulerdar on <SPAN class=date_text>02-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Well if that is the only point that you wanted to prove, then why did you make this statement:  "Nuff said. As for its damage it was extreme since other scouts did not get an ability like that."  Sounds like a whining Ranger who is [Removed for Content] off he does not get a big hit.  As for saying Brigands whine you obviously do not read these boards and just are a F'n troll here.  The only complaint that has ever come out of this board is the newly nerfed Ruse and we have more than enough justification for this complaint.  Oh, and you are the really mature sounding individual using such phrases as "Nuff said."<p>Message Edited by Dtrick on <span class=date_text>02-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:11 PM</span>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>Aulerdar said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love how you are just complete jerks aswell =). Assasins do not get a 60 second re-use 1000 damage hit so s t f u =). Oh and since you lack the intelligence to talk and just brand people as whiners for mearly pointing out your move is a COUNTER. (You obviously don't know what that means huh ?)<BR>All Brigands do is whine and think your all to elite to be told anything, All I wanted was to simply point out the move is ment as a counter and you fly off the handle at me? How mature. <P>Message Edited by Aulerdar on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>02-04-2005</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:40 PM</SPAN> </P> <P>__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________</P> <P> </P> <P>Putting all brigands in the same boat is real mature by you as well. Anyway, since they fixed it to hit again today, even without agro, I guess your theory is crap eh? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P></DIV>

[Aulerd]

Nope that is the desciption is it not ??. Well when I get barraged by flames after posting yes I will generalise you. Im not whining I don't care if we do less damage I have not played my ranger in days. Mayhaps its just blackburrow brigands that seem to whine all the time /shrug. Out of the 5 brigands I have been grouped with 1 was a half decent person. There is no real grounds for a brigand to complain on the forums anyway I played my friends brigand and they are a really nice class to play, I seen no faults with them really.On a sidenote why is it that our community seperate themselves so much whenever I pop here to comment on anything or for fact on the zerker boards im met with hostility and told to get back me "my" boards???p.s. Yes I was slightly harse on that other post but when im refered to as "Just more non brigands whining. Pansies." I take offence. Wow what an insightful individual he must be!

[MMODro]

Hopefully its fixed for good, I had fun getting a sorcerer up to level 10 but I wasn't looking fowards to the post 10 grind of hell. I'd be very dissapointed if SoE supported this change since it, despite what trolls might say, is a big hit to brigand offensive power. As i've said if you want us to be hit to use Ruse then make Ruse an uber taunt so the enemy will hit us. I've got reverse taunts for a reason and I can take some hits so i'm not worried, but for the love of god don't do it like it was yesterday. Even with Gouge Adept I and Cuss Adept I, with my reverse taunt buff off, and going all out I had no chance to steal aggro from my groups tank, it was a joke. Besides, i'm almost 30, if I stick around to 30 chances are i'm not going to want to leave due to investment time in my character. Don't shoot yourselves in the foot now, you've been doing so good so far. Even if there are still more bugs than you'd find in even the nastiest trailer. =P The pathing ones for enemys and the "you cant see enemy" are my personal pet peeves, so annoying!

[Gyilok]

<DIV>you cant  seriouslymean  to stick to the description (which seems to be your only point here)</DIV> <DIV>some skills have so stupid descriptions that do not tell you what it really does, fore example lets see craven delight: high dmg attack that increases the dmg of the brigand; where is it mentioned in this that it is a DOT backstab?</DIV> <DIV>I wont even mention craven walk-lurk here, you can read the details in other posts (they did what they were supposed to, but due problems canceling them they are only high lvl sneaks)</DIV> <DIV>the stuns are also a joke, I can sometimes use it to control adds, but with all the other classes area DOTs they are only short interrupts</DIV>