is rake working correctly?

[Rain]

<DIV>After just getting rake, I was expecting to see an icon appear to tell me that the targets agi had been lowered, much like the effect for dirty tricks, but I haven't seen anything yet. Can anyone put my mind at ease?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Johnnyhe]

<DIV>It's broke.  Or atleast the icon is.</DIV>

[Akurei Sens]

<DIV>yea is either broke, or icon isn't working</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>even still I always found opening with distracting blade or shiv was always more worthwhile</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>icon/effect(not sure) on "disarming thrust" don't work either, even though it says debuffs target combat speed</DIV><p>Message Edited by Akurei Senshi on <span class=date_text>01-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:10 PM</span>

[Mideo]

<DIV>I've only seen a dirty tricks icon like twice, and never seen a knockaround one.  I just assumed that there were no icons ever, and the times I saw them were from them being used on me.</DIV>

[Justin Sa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MideonV wrote:<BR> <DIV>I've only seen a dirty tricks icon like twice, and never seen a knockaround one.  I just assumed that there were no icons ever, and the times I saw them were from them being used on me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Knockaround works fine, I see the icon all the time. Maybe you closed one of your spell windows by mistake.

[Zerim]

<DIV>I have been Rake'd by a mob and saw an icon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess ours doesn't show up - yet.</DIV>

[Ratt]

Hehe so the Alt+m maintained spells window does have a use for us then lol. turned that sucker of on the IOR as all it ever did was duplicate telling me I was sprinting <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ag]

Almost all the Brigand effects that are supposed to persist (for at least x seconds) do not show up in the effects windowFor example, disarming thrust or vicious stab supposedly has a slow component. How long? How much? Impossible to tell.Also, what about Rake? Does it wear off? When?As well, what about Snarl? It's an encounter-based snare, but when does it wear off? Where's the timer?and on and on it goes. I have no idea why the effect icons aren't appearing, but I personally would REALLY like to see them.

[Chant]

<UL> <LI>Skills we see icons</LI> <UL> <LI>Knockaround.  Maybe Dirty Tricks too?  Don't remembr.</LI></UL> <LI>Skills we don't see icons but we know they are working well</LI> <UL> <LI>Snarl and other snare skills show effects on mob.  And mob move slower.  So, I know they are working fine.</LI> <LI>Low level poisons.  We can see damage through our poison</LI></UL> <LI>Skills we don't see icons and we are not sure they are working or not</LI> <UL> <LI>Any other debuffing skills.  Don't see any icon.  Don't feel any differences through the fight.  At least we know skills of scout type mob are working correct since we see debuff on us when we get Raked and others.</LI> <LI>High level poisons.  We don't see damage.  Prolly not working.</LI></UL></UL> <P>I personally believe all debuff skills not showing icons are broken.  If we cast any kind of buff on mob or allys, I believe we should see icons on buff maintaining bar.  I know snare and poison are not showing icons but working fine.  However, I think it's a bug and we should have debuff/DoT icons for them too.</P>

[Banef]

<P>I actually grouped with another Brigand the other day.<BR><BR>There were times when I used rake, and it told me "would not take effect" as the other Brig had used his.<BR>Other times, he got the message, as I had used it first.<BR><BR>I think it is working, and just not showing the icon.</P>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Great info Baneful.  At least now we know that the skill is registering on the mobs, and we are just not getting the icon.</DIV>

[Korelen]

I like it when mobs Rake me from the front, and when I look at the icon, it states that this combat art can only be activated from behind your target. When I was hit with this, my AGI went down at most 25 points ( if I recall correctly, might have been less )It would be nice if our debuffs showed up in the Alt+M window as Knockdown does.

[Siegfrid24]

<DIV>I know for a fact that without rake + knockaround i miss much much more in RE at lvl 29 fighting red mobs...</DIV> <DIV>But yeah rake don't show any icon though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Annubi]

I agree with Siegfrid.At lvl 31 I can hit up to lvl 37 mobs ok in RE. Lvl 39 is right out, and Lvl 38 I can't hit for crap unless I use my def debuffs (all of 'em)

[Korelen]

<blockquote><hr>Siegfrid24 wrote:<DIV>I know for a fact that without rake + knockaround i miss much much more in RE at lvl 29 fighting red mobs...</DIV><DIV>But yeah rake don't show any icon though.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Also, make sure you use your AGI self buffs as well as your melee buff. You can spam cast our melee buff right before it ends. ( it actives the 30 sec timer when the buff ends ) If you do not, you will have to wait 30 secs and end up missing a ton. I did this around your level, still do, and it works great.

[Siegfrid24]

<DIV>Oh very nice! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I did not know about that trick for buffs , thx <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Razie Ber]

I personally feel that atleast Rake is functioning correctly. I dont have any raw data, but I know that the encounters (especially the tough high orange low red) which I use Rake + Knockaround on, seem to noticably end faster. I can't say yet about Viscious Stab and Disarming Blow however. Maybe maybe not, I dont seem to notice it with these as much as I think I should..With or without the Icon for rake, I just use it and as soon as it recycles if I'm actually still in the same encounter, I use it again. Normally however, I open with longest timer backstabs to get them recycling as quickly as possible from the start, dmg is dmg.

[Korelen]

<blockquote><hr>Razie Berry wrote:I can't say yet about Viscious Stab and Disarming Blow however. Maybe maybe not, I dont seem to notice it with these as much as I think I should..<hr></blockquote>If I see the graphics above the mob or the mob is knocked to the group, I assume these two are working as intended.

[Naldiian]

<DIV>What is really nice though is that while several attacks do not leave an icon, Bum Rush generally has 5 or 6 icons showing in my maintained spells after a couple fights!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileysurprised:</DIV>

[Annubi]

Only thing with rake not working correctly that I can figure is that whole behind the mob thing. I mean, immense tree snakes regularly rake my alts from the front. I think I should be able to rake from the front too.... Oh yeah, and 500 point quick strikes should be in too :smileytongue: I swear the game cheats....

[Korelen]

<blockquote><hr>Naldiian wrote:<DIV>What is really nice though is that while several attacks do not leave an icon, Bum Rush generally has 5 or 6 icons showing in my maintained spells after a couple fights!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>:smileysurprised:</DIV><hr></blockquote>It's bugged. You usually see this sometimes if the timer is still running on Bum Rush when the mob dies. I just cancel them manually for now.

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>This debate will probably be endless but I believe it does work.  When soloing it seems that I get hit less often, for less damage if I start an encounter with a Rake. Havign said that, why do I have to be positioned behind when a Feral Lasher can face me from 100 yards away and rake me? lol</DIV>