Ruse question

[Kariena]

Has anyone else noticed that your ruse does not show up on your stats online? I did 697 dmg with ruse once and it shows my highest hit at only 186?? Is this a bug? Are they going to change this so ruse shows?

[Taraci]

<DIV>changing this would mean counting damage as "done by brigand" and not as "suffering and pain", thus giving us much more problems with agro management.</DIV> <DIV>personally I can live perfectly with not getting named on some poser site.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tara</DIV>

[Akurei Sens]

<DIV>that's a poor excuse for lazy programmers, they still could make it say" Name hits so and so for # dmg" without giving it agro component</DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Akurei Senshi wrote:<DIV>that's a poor excuse for lazy programmers, they still could make it say" Name hits so and so for # dmg" without giving it agro component</DIV><hr></blockquote>How is it lazy? They actually went out of there way to give us a attack that does not work like any other attack. It is anything but lazy. Plus having the creatue get hit from pain and suffering fits the attack. You trick the target into attacking you and suprise it AS it attacks you. Thus pain and suffering.Then on another note if it where to count as our damage we would have had it nerfed along time ago. Because the amount of damage it does on such a low re-use timmer compaired to assassins timmers.

[Rit]

Its working as it should and im thankful it doesnt count as our damage, thus not giving us the generated aggro from using it. A ruse is defined as trickery anyway, so technically its tricking the mob to hit themselves. And yes as mentioned, if it did show up as our damage, assassins would have petitions ready to nerf us. Doing so much damage without a stealth requirement, on a short timer.

[Dubrek]

<DIV>nerfed a long time ago? Has eq2 been out even 2 months yet? I don't think any classes damage has been directly nerfed that I've read.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ruse does have a few bugs with it. Like you have to select the monster, use ruse, and only when you get up or do an additional attack it hits the monster. If you click on a team member (like a tank for assisting) or you don't have the specific monster targeted ruse dosen't work. You can also use ruse, sit and immediately start fighting again, which I'm pretty sure is a bug since it takes about 3 seconds for you to get back up, and with /sit then attack you can get back into the action immediately. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd like to have it attached to the player myself. Like "Dubreken hits the monster with a suprise attack for 534 damage!" Also if ruse is used to kill the final monster in a group, or a single ^^ monster, no loot or xp is given for the encounter. Sucks if you're trying to kill a timed monster and you gotta wait another hour or more for the SOB to pop. </DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Dubreken wrote:<DIV>nerfed a long time ago? Has eq2 been out even 2 months yet? I don't think any classes damage has been directly nerfed that I've read.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ruse does have a few bugs with it. Like you have to select the monster, use ruse, and only when you get up or do an additional attack it hits the monster. If you click on a team member (like a tank for assisting) or you don't have the specific monster targeted ruse dosen't work. You can also use ruse, sit and immediately start fighting again, which I'm pretty sure is a bug since it takes about 3 seconds for you to get back up, and with /sit then attack you can get back into the action immediately. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I'd like to have it attached to the player myself. Like "Dubreken hits the monster with a suprise attack for 534 damage!" Also if ruse is used to kill the final monster in a group, or a single ^^ monster, no loot or xp is given for the encounter. Sucks if you're trying to kill a timed monster and you gotta wait another hour or more for the SOB to pop. </DIV><hr></blockquote>The skill would have been if it was tied directly to our attacks. Never said anything about any class being nerfed before in this game or of that sort.The point about not being able to get bonues xp or loot is where your brain comes in play. Don't use ruse to finish a monster off, but instead to start a fight and take it down quicker.

[Akurei Sens]

<DIV>so please explain again why the attack can't SAY we did it, even though it's technically <BR>"pain and suffering" and yet still give no agro?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and it's dumb to say it's like that because of roleplaying, if roleplaying was so important more than 2 of 25 servers would be RP servers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it's fairly easy to code the change it to make it display us as doing the hit, while not giving agro, as all know almost anything you do generates agro while in combat, this is because all non-passive(sprint for example) skills/attacks(even base weapon attacks) generate hate.  every skill has at least 2 preset data members.  one which is more than likely a boolean check to make sure said skill generates hate, and if that doesn't exist I know for a fact there is a data type which says, if this fires apply or subtract % mod to current hate(it's how the entire taunt/evade engine works)  it would be very easy to add a line "&Name tricks &target with his ruse, and stabs them for &damage" and at the same time set that hate % mod to 0.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and no assassins wouldn't be whining as they would still be the kings of single hits</DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Akurei Senshi wrote:<BR> <DIV>so please explain again why the attack can't SAY we did it, even though it's technically <BR>"pain and suffering" and yet still give no agro?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and it's dumb to say it's like that because of roleplaying, if roleplaying was so important more than 2 of 25 servers would be RP servers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it's fairly easy to code the change it to make it display us as doing the hit, while not giving agro, as all know almost anything you do generates agro while in combat, this is because all non-passive(sprint for example) skills/attacks(even base weapon attacks) generate hate.  every skill has at least 2 preset data members.  one which is more than likely a boolean check to make sure said skill generates hate, and if that doesn't exist I know for a fact there is a data type which says, if this fires apply or subtract % mod to current hate(it's how the entire taunt/evade engine works)  it would be very easy to add a line "&Name tricks &target with his ruse, and stabs them for &damage" and at the same time set that hate % mod to 0.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and no assassins wouldn't be whining as they would still be the kings of single hits</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Your supposition as to how proprietary game mechanics work or the ease with which they can accommodate your needs is presumptuous at worst and narcissistic at best.</P> <P>A conservative view might say it is working as intended OR that the power has some changes in the queue that are forthcoming. Either way, until we get an official response relaying prospective modifcations to the power, I'm not sure how arguing about how easy it would be to change can be productive.</P> <P>...but, thats just me.</P><p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>01-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 PM</span>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Akurei Senshi wrote:<BR> <DIV>......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>and no assassins wouldn't be whining as they would still be the kings of single hits</FONT></STRONG></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Um, no they wouldn't.</DIV>

[Ratt]

Ok ruse work's so lets not go asking the dev's to go changing it k!Last thing we need is for something to go wrong with a very nice combat art!

[Dimidri]

<DIV>Ruse will get nerfed if Assassins start catching on to the damage we can do every minute. It's a great skill and one that plenty of Brigands heavily depend on for nice damage. I do think that you should not be able to sit to get up though, that's an imbalance, and even though it benefits me it's not fair. That way it has a long delay to get back up, the mob will not drop a chest if it was going to, and it won't show up on the damage records. That's enough downsides to make a very powerful ability like Ruse on our class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swashbucklers should get a skill like this =X</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a side-note, why does everyone always talk about how Assassins are all about a few big hits and then long recasts? I looked at their skills and most of them seem to be 9 to 60 seconds recast.  Like ours...</DIV>

[Chant]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimidrius wrote:<BR> <DIV>On a side-note, why does everyone always talk about how Assassins are all about a few big hits and then long recasts? I looked at their skills and most of them seem to be 9 to 60 seconds recast.  Like ours...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Since their extreme dmg skill has 5 min recast as not like ours.  :smileywink:</DIV>