Why Brigand over Swashbuckler?

[Tragedy Unkno]

<DIV>Help convince me I'm not making a mistake.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand gets the 2 second mez.  Calling Black Jack a stun that breaks when the mob is hit is just silly..it's a mez.</DIV> <DIV>Our mez attacks go off faster then the swash and we get more of them to my knowledge.</DIV> <DIV>Brigand gets group snare.  (Is this useful?  I have not seen any mobs that run or a "good" way to kite)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Damage and/or DPS from everything I have seen or been told is identical.</DIV> <DIV>Brigand stealth has a FD if spotted, Swashbuckler has a Mez if spotted (I'm not sure how good either of these are to be honest but sound about equal).</DIV> <DIV>Both get identical debuff skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler gets a 15 second mez with a recast twice as fast as Black Jack (30 sec vs. 60 sec).</DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler gets more group stealth skills.</DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler group stealth skills increase the stats of group members.</DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler group stealth skills are overall better then the Brigand (they get more upgrades).</DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler gets more AoE attacks then Brigands.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It seems like Swashbuckler has more utility then the Brigand.  Normally more utility = less damage, is that the case here or am I missing some other utility that Brigands are known for equal or close to equal to that of the Swashbuckler?</DIV>

[Dubrek]

<DIV>I'm guessing from previous posts that the brigand stuns aren't operateing like they should, or not to full capacity. I'm anticipateing a change in the near future for the better on brigand stuns. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That aside, I chose brigand because a friend of mine plays in freeport as a SK. The damage output of the brigand I've seen surpass swashies fairly easily. As it stands brigands and swashies are virtually identical except for small diffrences, such as spell names, and damage types ect. It's really just a personal choice. Do you want to be a frilly swashie, or do you want to be a mean, cut throat brigand. :smileymad:</DIV>

[Thorel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubreken wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm guessing from previous posts that the brigand stuns aren't operateing like they should, or not to full capacity. I'm anticipateing a change in the near future for the better on brigand stuns. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That aside, I chose brigand because a friend of mine plays in freeport as a SK. The damage output of the brigand I've seen surpass swashies fairly easily. As it stands brigands and swashies are virtually identical except for small diffrences, such as spell names, and damage types ect. It's really just a personal choice. Do you want to be a frilly swashie, or do you want to be a mean, cut throat brigand. :smileymad:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Outdamages a swashy fairly easily,...</P> <P>Brigands have higher numbers flying. Swashi gets several self hastes.  you would have to make some solid parsing to know about the dps of swashi and brigand. Swashi has probably the lowest crits of all  scouts. But , I believe they can spam faster and more, so it might even out. Ruse , is a BIG hitter, maybe that will up the brigand DPS , but again you'll need to parse. </P> <P>At this point , the mezz on dissipation of stealth (dazzling shroud)  is not working properly, while Brigands Fd, does. Mezz is much more usefull on small groups and to split spawn IMO.</P> <P>FD has a multitude of uses.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Cheers, </P> <P> </P> <P>Thor<BR></P>

[Nagora]

<DIV>I wouldn't be surprised if Brigands have the highest DPS of all scouts.  The reason I say this is because of Ruse.  Assassins have a lot of really hard hits, and when comparing to my Brigand friend, it seems like we come out ahead (on the other hand we have worse utility, worse tanking/hate control abilities, etc).  All that changes when you take into account Ruse which is a 400-500 damage hit every 60 seconds.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if Assassin's and Swashbuckler's other attacks do more damage overall, I have a hard time seeing either class make up that 400-500 damage headstart.  Not that I want the ability nerfed, but I almost wonder whether Ruse is bugged.  It just seems so strange in comparison to Assassin's Blade which does similar damage and actually generates hate for us, but is on a five minute timer.  </DIV>

[Kanthar]

<DIV>Q: "Why Brigand over Swashbuckler?"<BR>A: Swashbucklers are fruity and Freeport > Qeynos.</DIV>

[Thorel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nagorak3 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I wouldn't be surprised if Brigands have the highest DPS of all scouts.  The reason I say this is because of Ruse.  Assassins have a lot of really hard hits, and when comparing to my Brigand friend, it seems like we come out ahead (on the other hand we have worse utility, worse tanking/hate control abilities, etc).  All that changes when you take into account Ruse which is a 400-500 damage hit every 60 seconds.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if Assassin's and Swashbuckler's other attacks do more damage overall, I have a hard time seeing either class make up that 400-500 damage headstart.  Not that I want the ability nerfed, but I almost wonder whether Ruse is bugged.  It just seems so strange in comparison to Assassin's Blade which does similar damage and actually generates hate for us, but is on a five minute timer.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The more is see "ruse"  in use, the more I think its plain broken .  /shrug.  </P> <P>Good for me, if I have a brigand in my group who knows how to use it.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Cheers,</P> <P> </P> <P>Thor<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>I really hope there is nothing wrong because it's sooo helpful for us to effectively solo higher mobs. I use Ruse in almost every single fight. In groups I can't always grab agro if the tank taunts well enough, but when I do, you can be sure a Ruse will be forthcoming.</DIV>

[yank]

<DIV>Just looking at the attacks made up my mind. Really look at them. How can you pass up a class that has spells like bushwack, lowblow, clobber the list goes on. </DIV>

[Sparafuci]

<DIV>One is evil, the other is a pansy...</DIV>

[Sinadi]

Choadley, you don't need aggro to use Ruse. Just go in front of the mob-the damage will go through even if you do not have aggro. The only way Ruse will ever miss is if the mob's facing changes after you've hit the move but before the game has done the damage. I think the skill is in line for a nerf personally-with a good tank, my Ruse never misses even though I'd not be able to hit the mob at all with regular swings. I've hit deep reds for 1200 while whiffing every other swing till my other buff timer refreshes.Back to the original topic, I play with a swashbuckler about my level fairly often and I'd not trade classes for anything. I don't really care if his DPS is higher, I much prefer the flavour of the Brigand class vs. the Swash. Don't let having a mez fool you-mez ain't all it was cracked up to be in original EQ. We rarely, if ever, use the mez that's available to us in the group I've been playing in. I get 2 stackable DoTs from combat arts, Ruse, a stealth that will have me FD...that's enough coolness factor to make any difference in DPS moot. And besides, comparing DPS differences between classes that are so similar is just a silly [Removed for Content] contest anyway. Put the tape measure away and just go have fun. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Morchaint, Faydark

[Schor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sinadial wrote:<BR>Choadley, you don't need aggro to use Ruse. Just go in front of the mob-the damage will go through even if you do not have aggro. The only way Ruse will ever miss is if the mob's facing changes after you've hit the move but before the game has done the damage. I think the skill is in line for a nerf personally-with a good tank, my Ruse never misses even though I'd not be able to hit the mob at all with regular swings. I've hit deep reds for 1200 while whiffing every other swing till my other buff timer refreshes.<BR><BR>Back to the original topic, I play with a swashbuckler about my level fairly often and I'd not trade classes for anything. I don't really care if his DPS is higher, I much prefer the flavour of the Brigand class vs. the Swash. Don't let having a mez fool you-mez ain't all it was cracked up to be in original EQ. We rarely, if ever, use the mez that's available to us in the group I've been playing in. I get 2 stackable DoTs from combat arts, Ruse, a stealth that will have me FD...that's enough coolness factor to make any difference in DPS moot. And besides, comparing DPS differences between classes that are so similar is just a silly [Removed for Content] contest anyway. Put the tape measure away and just go have fun. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Morchaint, Faydark<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>/agree</P> <P>Not to mention there's roughly 2x as many swashies out there as brigands, at least on Perma.  SOE didn't want there to be huge differences between the good/evil classes in actual role, and they succeeded.  I'm happy with the evil circus midget with a penchant for inflicting pain vibe from playing a halfling brigand.</P> <P>As far as [Removed for Content] comparisons - In any given fight, I'm sure either subclass could come out on top DPS wise, and unless you're going to come in with logs, speculation is purely [Removed for Content].</P>