Gripe

[Akurei Sens]

<DIV>Being an old rogue vet from eqlive, I figured some things with brigands would make more sense than they do.  Mind you I'm very happy with being a brigand I just have one question that boggles me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are brigands, we are supposed to use everything to our advantage in combat.  So as such why can't we use blunt DW weapons?  Rogues in eq could use them, mind you there weren't tons of them for us, but there were some nice ones.  I know when I was in my 30's I loved my iksar bone club or whatever it was called exactly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What further confuses me are these facts we have blunt attacks that do bludgeon damage.  Shouldn't special attack dmg be based on the weapon in question, now for some attacks I realize it's always going to one or the other. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Further more:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bludgeon lvl 15 power</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>bludg·eon</STRONG>  </DIV> <DIV><I>n.</I></DIV>A short heavy club, usually of wood, that is thicker or loaded at one end. <DIV><BR><I>tr.v.</I> <B>bludg·eoned,</B> <B>bludg·eon·ing,</B> <B>bludg·eons </B></DIV> <OL> <LI>To hit with or as if with a heavy club.</LI> <LI>To overcome by or as if by using a heavy club. See Synonyms at <A href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intimidate" target=_blank><FONT color=#0033ff>intimidate</FONT></A>.</LI></OL> <P> </P> <P>Blackjack lvl 22 power</P> <P><STRONG>black·jack</STRONG>    </P> <P><I>n.</I></P> <OL> <LI>A leather-covered bludgeon with a short, flexible shaft or strap, used as a hand weapon.</LI> <LI>The blackjack oak.</LI> <LI><U><I>Games.</I></U> A card game in which the object is to accumulate cards with a higher count than that of the dealer but not exceeding 21. Also called <B>twenty-one</B><B>, </B><B>vingt-et-un</B>.</LI> <LI>Sphalerite.</LI></OL> <P><BR><I>tr.v.</I> <B>black·jacked,</B> <B>black·jack·ing,</B> <B>black·jacks </B></P> <OL> <LI>To hit or beat with a leather-covered bludgeon.</LI> <LI>To coerce by threats.</LI></OL> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my thoughts on the issue, rogues should be able to use blunt DW. </DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Akurei Senshi wrote:<DIV>Being an old rogue vet from eqlive, I figured some things with brigands would make more sense than they do. Mind you I'm very happy with being a brigand I just have one question that boggles me.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>We are brigands, we are supposed to use everything to our advantage in combat. So as such why can't we use blunt DW weapons? Rogues in eq could use them, mind you there weren't tons of them for us, but there were some nice ones. I know when I was in my 30's I loved my iksar bone club or whatever it was called exactly.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>What further confuses me are these facts we have blunt attacks that do bludgeon damage. Shouldn't special attack dmg be based on the weapon in question, now for some attacks I realize it's always going to one or the other. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Further more:</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Bludgeon lvl 15 power</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><STRONG>bludg·eon</STRONG> </DIV><DIV><I>n.</I></DIV>A short heavy club, usually of wood, that is thicker or loaded at one end.<DIV><BR><I>tr.v.</I> <B>bludg·eoned,</B> <B>bludg·eon·ing,</B> <B>bludg·eons </B></DIV><OL><LI>To hit with or as if with a heavy club.</LI><LI>To overcome by or as if by using a heavy club. See Synonyms at <A href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intimidate" target=_blank><FONT color=#0033ff>intimidate</FONT></A>.</LI></OL><P> </P><P>Blackjack lvl 22 power</P><P><STRONG>black·jack</STRONG> </P><P><I>n.</I></P><OL><LI>A leather-covered bludgeon with a short, flexible shaft or strap, used as a hand weapon.</LI><LI>The blackjack oak.</LI><LI><U><I>Games.</I></U> A card game in which the object is to accumulate cards with a higher count than that of the dealer but not exceeding 21. Also called <B>twenty-one</B><B>, </B><B>vingt-et-un</B>.</LI><LI>Sphalerite.</LI></OL><P><BR><I>tr.v.</I> <B>black·jacked,</B> <B>black·jack·ing,</B> <B>black·jacks </B></P><OL><LI>To hit or beat with a leather-covered bludgeon.</LI><LI>To coerce by threats.</LI></OL><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Just my thoughts on the issue, rogues should be able to use blunt DW. </DIV><hr></blockquote>I would really like to use some sort of a blunt weapon just for the looks. I understand where you are comming from, and your evidence proves that we have skills saying we should use a blunt weapon. But some how, i'm not sure, I don't agree we should have those weapons. I'm not sure why, tho. Possibly because other classes already use them, and can't use others. So it seems like we are spoiled and say, "That looks cool! Gimme, gimme, gimme!" Not saying you are doing this. Just don't feel right asking for another weapon. We have whips, daggers, spears and other stuff. Including bows and arrows. My 2 cents.

[Saj]

My view is that we use the butt end of our weapons to perform these bludgeon attacks.

[MMODro]

<blockquote><hr>Sajra wrote:My view is that we use the butt end of our weapons to perform these bludgeon attacks.<hr></blockquote> Sajra 4 teh win!!!

[killig]

Also, this isn't eqlive.. its a diffrent game completly.and yes; " Sajra 4 teh win!!!"<p>Message Edited by killigon on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:26 PM</span>

[Clawbla]

<DIV>I always figured I carried my blackjack aka Mr. Beanbag, on my belt, whip it out and *whap* you been beaned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My only gripe has to do with the ruse animation, I'd love to see us go from like laying on the ground to a ryu like uppercut once we did it!..  That way I could stop explaining to these pickup groups why I keep feigning death when I didn't have aggro...</DIV> <DIV> Yeah... mmmmmm  uppercut...</DIV> <DIV>*drools*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>edit: Well ok maybe not an uppercut but like an eye poke or something...   looks so bland laying there then damage, then you pop up and are fighting.  Afterall it is like a signature move.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Clawblade on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:45 AM</span>

[Cyco]

<DIV>It even says that we can use staffs and clubs in the manual and thats still even in the revised PDF version of the manual.</DIV> <DIV>And the <A href="http://www.everquest2.com" target=_blank>www.everquest2.com</A> says we can use "Axe, Sword, Flail, Hammer, Mace, Spear, Dagger and more"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still we cant..kinda wierd</DIV>

[Valle]

<DIV>It's ridiculous! Why have club/cosh/blackjack themed special moves and then not allow the rogue to use blunt weapons.Whoever heard of someone bludgeoning with a dagger? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Having said that, the snakes have been kicking people in EQlive for the last six years, so maybe this isn't quite as odd after all...:smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Something that needs rectifying asap please.</DIV>

[Akurei Sens]

<DIV>yea I remember snakes kicking and a few other oddities of physics in eqlive, still if an updated manual pdf is saying this all the more reason lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean at the least some clarification from a GM or something would be appreciated.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And further more I've been wondering this.  So we have several blunt named attacks, but even more so we have a bejebuz load of stuns.  Now I know this is a game, I know it defies reality, I know it defies physics, but I've taken knife fighting and other weapons forms for 17 years.  How do you you "stun" by slashing or piercing?  I mean sure you could send them into shock or ummm errr death.  But we get like slash or pierce attacks that stun,  I think stun, I think I was just hit over the head with a baseball bat, not stabbed repeatedly in the lung.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now on the flip side I'm all for class individuality, certain ones having access to certain things others don't.  But for the love of all things holy, half the things that make us brigands currently are oxymorons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anything I'd argue brigands shouldn't get pierce, and should be DW slash/blunt, but then I'd just be getting every rogue in high hell [Removed for Content] at me lol.</DIV>

[Valle]

<DIV>We can dual wield. Having a piercer and a blunt weapon equipped makes sense. What doesn't make sense is us not being able to use ANY blunt weapons. Okay, fair enough, I can't see a scout using a massive 2-handed great hammer, but a cosh (or black-jack as I think they're called in the U.S of A), or a one handed mace perhaps. Whats so hard to believe about that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Valle]

<DIV>[Dreaded double post]</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Valledd on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:23 AM</span>