Completed Brigand Quest (spoilers inside)

[Dtrick]

<DIV>I just finished my Brigand quest tonight at level 18.  I am embarressed to say that I died 5 times during this quest.  Three times I died because I thought the other chest was way on the other end of the zone past the 30 level 40 group x2^^ mobs (I almost [Removed for Content] my pants when I saw all these mobs).  And the other 2 times I died because the restless orc would run on top of the building with the 2nd chest in it, after i would run out of the building, he would come and kill me completely invisible and I could not hit him.  Through all of that, I had a blast trying to find the proper tactic to complete the quest at level 18.  I came out of the quest with 3 bubs of debt, but with a decent sword and a goal to hit 20 so I can truely call myself a Brigand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else want to share their multiple death stories?  Or tell me how great you are for not dying during that quest  =)</DIV>

[Taith]

<DIV>I took a death myself, I also thought the chest was over the other side. I realised it wasn't, ran through the middle as it was the only way past and got 2 shot dead. That orc that is layin down is very buggy. I actually got lucky and he couldn't hit me instead of the other way around. The invis mobs are very annoying, there are heaps of them in the Elephant training grounds too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was very disappointed in the XP for this quest. I was expecting something like level 9 where you got most of a level, but instead only got 11% xp at level 18. Wasn't too happy with that <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Taithos on <span class=date_text>11-24-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:09 AM</span>

[Kr]

<DIV>I died. How did you get back in? Dranok wasn't in the same spot when I went back.</DIV>

[Kr]

<DIV>Alright, figured that one out, but died 3 times. The last time I died as I zoned out, so my shard was outside the sprawl gate. Woohoo!</DIV>

[TS]

<DIV>lol I died 2 times. Once I said the wrong thing to the orc you have to talk to , he realy messed me up. And the 2nd i went in the house with the yellow thinking I had to kill him to get at the chest. So the last time I came in the zone I stayed out side the door of the house in sneak mode and clicked on my shard and on the chest. Not an easy quest for sure but much fun.</DIV>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>So yeah, I've died twice on this stupid quest. Where the hell do my shards go and where is the second chest?</DIV>

[Justin Sa]

<DIV>And I died again. Someone make a guide.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>I thought about making a guide, but that would spoil all of the fun.  It is the reason I even put spoiler tags on the post title just incase someone let too much information out.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Schor]

<DIV>Not to sound like a jerk, but I'm amazed that people died on this quest.  <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you've ever played Thief before, this should have been cake.  I don't see the need for a detailed spoiler as you get more than enough info from the quest text to complete this.  That said, here's what I did.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I went in the larger building first and had to run upstairs twice to avoid the guards while clicking chests, but I had no other complications.  Then I went in the smaller building with the FD'd orc (was a yellow con, couldn't see me with snoop on) and got the 2nd chest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Didn't have to walk near any red cons other than the guard, and running away from him was quite easy since it warned me like 20 sec ahead of time in the chat box.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just be patient and careful, that's the best advice I can give.</DIV>

[Kr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Schortt wrote:<BR> <DIV>Not to sound like a jerk, but I'm amazed that people died on this quest.  <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you've ever played Thief before, this should have been cake.  I don't see the need for a detailed spoiler as you get more than enough info from the quest text to complete this.  That said, here's what I did.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I went in the larger building first and had to run upstairs twice to avoid the guards while clicking chests, but I had no other complications.  Then I went in the smaller building with the FD'd orc (was a yellow con, couldn't see me with snoop on) and got the 2nd chest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Didn't have to walk near any red cons other than the guard, and running away from him was quite easy since it warned me like 20 sec ahead of time in the chat box.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just be patient and careful, that's the best advice I can give.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>He could see cleary through my hide, which was the reason for the deaths.<BR> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>

[TS]

<DIV> <DIV>"Not to sound like a jerk, but I'm amazed that people died on this quest.  <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you've ever played Thief before, this should have been cake.  I don't see the need for a detailed spoiler as you get more than enough info from the quest text to complete this.  That said, here's what I did.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I went in the larger building first and had to run upstairs twice to avoid the guards while clicking chests, but I had no other complications.  Then I went in the smaller building with the FD'd orc (was a yellow con, couldn't see me with snoop on) and got the 2nd chest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Didn't have to walk near any red cons other than the guard, and running away from him was quite easy since it warned me like 20 sec ahead of time in the chat box.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just be patient and careful, that's the best advice I can give."</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>^ you are just so cool........dink</DIV>

[Taith]

<DIV>"Not to sound like a jerk..."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Too late.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anyone is really stuck send me a PM and I'll help you out. I'm not giving general spoilers just yet though, they will be released on my site when enough people have done them. I have a bunch of content ready to go up there, but waiting a respectful time before giving out spoilers.</DIV>

[Eek]

<DIV>Died once, because I hadn't upgraded Snoop. Piece of cake when I had.</DIV>

[LOG]

Agreed Schortt, was too easy, 0 deaths and no fun at all <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Andai]

<DIV>I nearly wet my pants during this one. I first went into the bigger house and figured there had to be another chest somewhere... i spent a good 15 minutes trying to figure out how to get to the other big house (i had been up on the roof of the smaller house but didn't see the entrance on the most exposed side), at that point i pleaded for help from a fellow Brigand and i got the tip to use track to find my way. I managed to have all three "sneak" skill icons up but i guess not all of them was "active". I don't know which of the skills was active but it did the job and not even the yellow orc saw me; sneak (adept 1), snoop (apprentice 1) and Smuggler's talent (Adept 1).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All in all, when the deed was done and i was standing outside the sprawl entrance i was shaking from the adrenaline rush. That's definitely a sign of good questbuilding.</DIV>

[Tessi]

<DIV>Died twice on this one myself. Once to the restless orc (yellows aren't that much harder than whites, are they? *splat* Guess so.) and once to the guard. I had already gotten one chest and was on my way to the next when he appeared in the doorway not 5 feet away from me. I ran THROUGH the level 40s and escaped them to the other side of the zone. 15 minutes later, I realized there was no way to save myself... but at least I got my previous shard back, from running the wrong way. Needless to say, this was a frustrating quest. </DIV>

[Mynladaru]

<DIV>I got whacked by the Orc as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I used (after advice by the ONLY OTHER brigand on Lavastorm at the time, who's name I shamefully forget) Snoop (the first level hide doesn't work) apprentice ii, and smuggle STACKED. I didn't know you could stack stealth. The lower level hide nor Smuggler's Adv. work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Orc doesn't see you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stay between the buildings and it is easy but hardly intuitive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you're clicking on the chest in the first building and get a "quick hide" message, scoot your butt up the ladder onto the roof. A red orc is gonna come to see you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good hunting you dogs!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mynladaru</DIV> <DIV>20 Brigand, Lavastorm</DIV>

[flamin]

<DIV>True brigand skills here, didn't die once, didnt read any spoilers. Just pwnd.</DIV>

[protor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> flamingo wrote:<BR> <DIV>True brigand skills here, didn't die once, didnt read any spoilers. Just pwnd.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> same

[Thulz]

I'm only 18, should I wait for 19 to get smugglers advance? and get either an app II or III?Right now my sneak is app.III; snoop is App.II; smuggle is app.IIEven if I stack they see through the invis. And i cant find the second medallion. I only find 2 boxes but one has one and the other does not. After many trains and 2 deaths, I still do not see any more chests.can anyone assist on this?

[MaestroX]

I didn't read this until today but got good advice from a guildie to get the highest snoop I could afford, which I believe is app3 since no rogue adept 1 books seem to drop. Snoop at app3 makes this a totally different encounter. The FD restless orc never woke up and I headed back wondering what all the fuss was about.

[Aral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> flamingo wrote:<BR> <DIV>True brigand skills here, didn't die once, didnt read any spoilers. Just pwnd.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>This is funny.  Apparently making the difficult journey to the broker and purchasing  Snoop appIII (which for many of us was being offered/made by exactly zero scholars or jewelers at the time) which makes the quest pointlessly easy = "pwnd."  </P> <P>Who else actually killed the orc?  I know two others did on my server, as we were talking about strategies for beating him.  I really doubt the designers intended you to just hit snoop then have a cakewalk, or the orc would have been a red.  Good work on workaround. </P> <P>I died twice at 18 trying, then defeated him at 19, with very mediocre gear.  Took 15-20 minutes to do, and he's no ordinary yellow, but I used both stealth skills and <EM>all</EM> my brigand ca's to do this, as was intended I'm certain.  Also explored every other part of the valley, since I initially figured getting past the wall of orcs was to be part of the challenge, so I visited the other outbuildings first. </P> <P>Since our previous quests had to do with learning how to "clear an escape" along with avoiding triggered patrols, I imagine the devs believed most brigands would figure out to simply grab the chest and beat it back to the npc to leave before they died, but made the orc a tough, but possible kill for those who wanted to try to beat him.  The "buy snoop app3" quest it wasn't, by design, but rather oversight. </P> <P> </P>

[Twist_nd]

<DIV>I didn't have any problems when I was lvl19.  I think I just used smuggler's talent and when the guard came, I just stopped.  He came in looked around and just walked away.  I thought I was in trouble, but I guess not moving must have done it.  Other then that one guard, it wasn't too bad at all.  I really expected it to be more difficult and longer.</DIV> <DIV>Hearing all the trouble others had, I guess I must have gotten really lucky.  Really, I'm kinda glad I didn't read anything like this before the quest, becuase I would have been a lot more worried about the guard then I was and would have probably gotten killed.</DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Dtrick wrote:<DIV>I just finished my Brigand quest tonight at level 18. I am embarressed to say that I died 5 times during this quest. Three times I died because I thought the other chest was way on the other end of the zone past the 30 level 40 group x2^^ mobs (I almost [Removed for Content] my pants when I saw all these mobs). And the other 2 times I died because the restless orc would run on top of the building with the 2nd chest in it, after i would run out of the building, he would come and kill me completely invisible and I could not hit him. Through all of that, I had a blast trying to find the proper tactic to complete the quest at level 18. I came out of the quest with 3 bubs of debt, but with a decent sword and a goal to hit 20 so I can truely call myself a Brigand.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Anyone else want to share their multiple death stories? Or tell me how great you are for not dying during that quest =)</DIV><hr></blockquote>You are at fault for your own deaths. This quest is made to be done by a level 19, not 18. I did not die once, never read a spoiler or anything. If you have level 19 it is easy. When the guy talked to you, he said houses behind me. Think to yourself. The houses directly behind him or the ones further away.....hmmm? I could understand about getting killed from the mob in one of the buildings, but if you where using smugglers talent you where safe. Or any other sneak skill. The End. Simple as that, no I don't have pitty for you. This is what this thread was, a pitty thread. beca

[Dtrick]

<DIV>This story was about my experience, not a pity story.  If you read through it you will see that I said I enjoyed the quest, even after dying 5 times.  No where in my post do I say that the quest was too hard.  Two of my deaths were due to dying from a bugged mob.  I went through the quest all on my own, experimenting with every aspect that I could to complete the quest.  At the end of my post I ask for your experiences on the quest, not some assinine response to how I completed my quest.</DIV>

[Mepha]

<DIV>I got Brigand today. I had no problems with the quest, and then again I did when I was ready to turn over to L20. I wanted to be a Brigand when I was done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you learned anything from your starting Rogue quest this is easy. Use common sense, and be careful. </DIV>

[Sothc]

<blockquote><hr>Dtrick wrote:<DIV>This story was about my experience, not a pity story. If you read through it you will see that I said I enjoyed the quest, even after dying 5 times. No where in my post do I say that the quest was too hard. Two of my deaths were due to dying from a bugged mob. I went through the quest all on my own, experimenting with every aspect that I could to complete the quest. At the end of my post I ask for your experiences on the quest, not some assinine response to how I completed my quest.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Hi Dtrick.I shared a similar experience as you. In the first empty house with chests, I was clicking everything trying to trigger quest advancement. I noticed the text, "You hear an orc guard approaching" (or something to that effect), but didn't think much of it. By fluke, I happened to just walk up the ladder just as the guard came in! After I collected myself from being nearly spotted by the L40 guard, I kept trying to click on the chests again, but realized it wasn't going to be that easy -- I was going to have to find the last chest elsewhere.As I exited the first house, I noticed the ladder leading to the roof of the house next to it. It seemed fairly obvious that that was where I should go next. On top of the house, I couldn't see any other way inside except through the front door. So as I dropped down (in stealth mode), I noticed the Restless Orc inside -- but being at L18, the Restless Orc could see right through my App 1 Snoop. Of course, I panicked. I wasn't prepared for a fight (also, even though he was orange, I still had the memory of L40 orcs everywhere), so I made a run for it. I went all the way to the water, across the village, around the towers -- aggroing in the process dozens of L40 orcs -- but I finally broke aggro behind the towers.Now, being on the other side of this L40 orc barrier, I couldn't get back to the 2nd house easily. I probed and probed, and every time I got aggro, I had to run back around the towers to lose them. To make matters worse, these guys RAN BACK to their posts very quickly. Eventually, I managed to time it so that I would draw aggro on the right side of the orc chain, and managed to sprint and race back behind their line before they were back in position!OK. So I'm finally back near the starting point. I figure, ok, I'll use my higher level smuggle or sneak to get into the house. Tried that... of course it didn't work... restless orc sees me, and guess what happens next -- panick! -- and I ended up training everything again and had to run back out around the towers, and do the whole probe/race thing all over again!But the third attempt was the charm for me. This time, I figured, I'm just going to kill this restless orc. Maybe thats what being a real brigand was all about, right!? So this time, as I approach the house, the restless orc aggros me through the wall, and catches me unprepared! I wasn't going to win the fight, but at this point, I figured, what the hell -- I'm going to run in, try and click the chest, and see if it ends the quest.Well, I managed to do that -- and also ran back to the quest NPC (while the restless orc is beating me senseless), and managed to trigger the quest complete conversation, which auto-zoned me to safety.This all took me some time (30-45 mins in total). But it was great fun and a great challenge. Very easy to see how, if you had just the tiniest bit of lag, how those L40's would make quick work of anyone attempting this quest.

[Aral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> b3tahack wrote:<BR><BR><BR>You are at fault for your own deaths. This quest is made to be done by a level 19, not 18. I did not die once, never read a spoiler or anything. If you have level 19 it is easy. When the guy talked to you, he said houses behind me. Think to yourself. The houses directly behind him or the ones further away.....hmmm? I could understand about getting killed from the mob in one of the buildings, but if you where using smugglers talent you where safe. Or any other sneak skill. The End. Simple as that, no I don't have pitty for you. This is what this thread was, a pitty thread. beca<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The restless orc sees through smuggler's talent app1, 2, 3.  Sneak 1, 2, 3.  Snoop app1, 2.  He does not see through snoop app3.  The only reason it was easy was because you had the right sneak upgraded.  At the time we did the quest, there was still major discussion on the differences between the sneaks, since the examine descriptions are completely off.  </P> <P>As for "not aggroing the orc," clicking on the chest from outside the door will not work until you are in agg range of the restless orc (try it if you do another rogue, greyed out on right click).  So, it comes down to: use the app3 snoop which at the time Dtrick made this, most people had to level their own scholar to make, or beat the orc, or just grab and run.  You happened to have snoop3.  Great work! <BR></P>

[Aral]

<P>double post</P> <p>Message Edited by Aralys on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:23 PM</span>

[IcelusDMent]

I didn't have snoop app3, and at 18 the restless orc was orange to me and started kicking my butt, so I ran out and managed to get far enough to break the encounter before running out of safe space. I rested up, then just ran in and got the 2nd chest with the restless orc smacking me, ran back to talk to the named orc again and (presto!) he took me back to Commonlands.I have to agree with most everyone else though, I certainly thought "yikes!" when I saw all those orcs. Overall I thought the restless orc should be a level lower and you should have to kill him (I don't feel totally satisfied since I essentially circumvented that challenge), but otherwise this was a pretty thrilling quest.

[flamin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aralys wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> flamingo wrote:<BR> <DIV>True brigand skills here, didn't die once, didnt read any spoilers. Just pwnd.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>This is funny.  Apparently making the difficult journey to the broker and purchasing  Snoop appIII (which for many of us was being offered/made by exactly zero scholars or jewelers at the time) which makes the quest pointlessly easy = "pwnd."  </P> <P>Who else actually killed the orc?  I know two others did on my server, as we were talking about strategies for beating him.  I really doubt the designers intended you to just hit snoop then have a cakewalk, or the orc would have been a red.  Good work on workaround. </P> <P>I died twice at 18 trying, then defeated him at 19, with very mediocre gear.  Took 15-20 minutes to do, and he's no ordinary yellow, but I used both stealth skills and <EM>all</EM> my brigand ca's to do this, as was intended I'm certain.  Also explored every other part of the valley, since I initially figured getting past the wall of orcs was to be part of the challenge, so I visited the other outbuildings first. </P> <P>Since our previous quests had to do with learning how to "clear an escape" along with avoiding triggered patrols, I imagine the devs believed most brigands would figure out to simply grab the chest and beat it back to the npc to leave before they died, but made the orc a tough, but possible kill for those who wanted to try to beat him.  The "buy snoop app3" quest it wasn't, by design, but rather oversight. </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Actually I did it at 18 and with snoop app 1. The restless orc saw through my snoop and aggrod me. What did I do? What any good brigand would do when physically outmatched, RUN! I ran him off and as soon as I lost aggro I ran back to the shack and planted the contraband and began running towards the safety orc to be ported out. While running back to him I was aggrod again by the restless orc but managed to get out before being hit.</P> <P>Was the quest pointlessly easy? Yes. Was it because I had snoop appIII? No. Was it because EQ2 was designed for dolts that have as much aptitude for games as fat kids have willpower at a chinese buffet? Yes.</P>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>I don't remember what level Snoop I had at the time, could've been App3. BUt I was lev 19 when I did it so he conned yellow and didn't agro. Was super easy like that. I did stand around for about 10min nervous as hell when I saw all the lev 40s standing around me though. lol</DIV>

[Alpheratz]

<DIV>nm..done it and I wrote a little spoiler <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=879" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=879</A> since i dont feel very fun to die because of a quest that resort basically on a single spell, yes you can do it in other way but anytime you get spotted by the lv 40 guard you end to die. so the only way to do it is using snoop.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Alpheratz on <SPAN class=date_text>01-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:58 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Alpheratz on <span class=date_text>01-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:59 PM</span>