Assassins do WAY more damage than us!

[Cru]

There.That should keep us from becoming flavour of the month for a while. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . Lets keep this thread visible to scare off all the DPS chasers to the assassin class. heheHaving loads of fun being a Rogue(omw to Brigand) And i like being in the minority with every other scout out there being a predator. Played a rogue back in the early days of Live, before we got the insane DPS, and Monks were better in every way, So I'm used to working with a handicap. Wouldn't have it anyother way.If it was easy, it wouldnt be fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />MyserieHigh-Elf Brigand,

[Gy]

<DIV>Just to point out you are wrong. We just have different kinds of DPS. Assassins do all their damage at once and have to wait on long [Removed for Content] refresh times. Brigands are much more consistant. I had a 30 brigand in beta and I had so many abilities that were on different timers that I could never stop using them. If you are using a different one every second and each one doing 60-170 average then that adds up quick. Where as assassins get huge shots every few minutes instead. I talked with a 26 Assassin and he had like a 700 damage shot every 5 minutes though. Also I heard rumors from 40+ that towards lv 50 they get like a 2500 shot but it is like an hour refresh or something.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in summary</DIV> <DIV>Assassins = Best burst damage in melee and possibly over all (by burst I mean damage within a short time like less then 10 seconds)</DIV> <DIV>Brigand (maybe swash too but who cares about foolish Qeynos lovers :smileymad<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> = Best consistant melee damage.</DIV>

[Cru]

Quote......I talked with a 26 Assassin and he had like a 700 damage shot........... towards lv 50 they get like a 2500 shot ...End Quote(above quote edited for brevity and to make assassins seem even cooler)whoa, you hear that everyone?<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Myserie.High Elf BrigandWorking hard to keep the l33t d00ds on the assassin boards<p>Message Edited by Cruel on <span class=date_text>11-11-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:51 AM</span>

[Posion-Teardrop Danc]

^ ROFL!You really are a rogue Cruel!

[Lycergus]

HAR! Now thats comedy..The truth is, brigands are just different. While assassins rely on that "one big hit" and if they miss they're pretty much done, we rely on stiffling the crap out of someone and beating up unconscious people. THey can't dodge if they're asleep, right? *grin*

[Eek]

<DIV>Aye, stunning is wonderful. From when the scout gets the HO, mobs don't stand a chance. They're stunned half of the battle!</DIV>

[Tessi]

<DIV>Mmmm banditry... how I look forward to embracing thee...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh wait, what am I saying? Assassins do too much damage! Must stay firmly in their shadow... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Cruel wrote:There.That should keep us from becoming flavour of the month for a while. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . Lets keep this thread visible to scare off all the DPS chasers to the assassin class. heheHaving loads of fun being a Rogue(omw to Brigand) And i like being in the minority with every other scout out there being a predator. Played a rogue back in the early days of Live, before we got the insane DPS, and Monks were better in every way, So I'm used to working with a handicap. Wouldn't have it anyother way.If it was easy, it wouldnt be fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />MyserieHigh-Elf Brigand,<hr></blockquote>I was in a group with an assain and they easily out damaged me. But only by some. (should I leave out the part where the assain was 2 levels higher then me?) <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[terahak]

<DIV>as a high level brigand in beta, I can tell you I easily outdamaged an assassin without fail. they have a big hit thats on a what 15 minute timer? and then their other attacks have to be stealthed... trust me in DPS brigand is superior</DIV>

[Ratt]

Hmm its obvious to any and all that Assasin's do more damage <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Just a quick FYI to all the predator buddies out there <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mack]

<DIV>From what ive read here not many of you have a clue on assasins, yea we get massive dmg hits that take about 5min reload but we also got lots of quick attacks that atleast at 20s do just as much dmg as brigands attacks.</DIV>

[Azr]

<DIV>Assasins have harder hits. Assasins have much higher power costs too. In a fight vs 1 mob the assasin will pretty much always outdamage the rogue type. In a long fight I tend to think it balences out but more importantly rogues use power far more efficiently and quite often in fights when the casters tanks and preds are running on fumes at best, the rogues are still going strong. I am in no way putting down assasins as they are an awesome class. I am just pointing out some differences.</DIV>

[Mack]

<DIV>I agree with you there <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=27518" target=_blank><SPAN>Azrom</SPAN></A>, assassins hit harder and they hit hard often with many skills. But the power issue isnt really a problem, im an assassin and after a big fight i have lost most of my power but as you said casters, tanks also loose it just as fast and if noone have power then that means med time, so whats the point of brigands still having lots of power then? If its adds it wont help couse clr oom then tank die and then brigand so that brigand use power more efficiently has absolutly no use.</DIV> <DIV>Im not sure who outdamage who in the end and i really dont care but i know as fact that at midlvl assassins outdamage any class easily, they hit for around 900at 25, ok that has 5min reload but there are also some attacks that hit for around 400 that we can use on every mob, and then its all the quick attacks that do around 150.</DIV>

[Ratt]

I think if you read closely the original poster had his tongue in his cheek for the most part this wasn't supposed to be a serious topic <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Good_ome]

<blockquote><hr>Cruel wrote:There.That should keep us from becoming flavour of the month for a while. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . Lets keep this thread visible to scare off all the DPS chasers to the assassin class. heheHaving loads of fun being a Rogue(omw to Brigand) And i like being in the minority with every other scout out there being a predator.<hr></blockquote>Ive seen about as many Brigands/Rogues as Assassins/PredatorsI think alot of people thought "hey im going Brigand because then i wont be FOTM" but then the FOTM became going Brigand because you wanted not to be FOTM, and now we are back at square one. Which is play what you want.<p>Message Edited by Good_omens on <span class=date_text>11-26-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:17 PM</span>

[ibeo]

<DIV>on the few server i play not a chance tons of pers on all of them...brigs are far fewer...which is great...hell even this forum is lighter then the pred one</DIV>

[Nagora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> terahak wrote:<BR> <DIV>as a high level brigand in beta, I can tell you I easily outdamaged an assassin without fail. they have a big hit thats on a what 15 minute timer? and then their other attacks have to be stealthed... trust me in DPS brigand is superior</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Shrouded Strike has a 10 second timer and puts us in stealth so we can follow it up with an Ambush.  Just because Assassins have to be stealthed, it's not as big a disadvantage as you're making out.  Even with our 5,000,000 minute timers (seriously, let's see who can exaggerate the most.)</P> <P>I don't know which class does more damage overall, but some of the statements you see here about Assassins are just ridiculous (same goes for statements about Brigands on the Assassin board).  </P>

[Darkblademyste]

<DIV>All I know is, im doing helasious damage and from almost any angle,, advantage? YES lol... love this class.. and anyone need a smuggle?  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Gy]

<DIV>the smuggle line is great, I just got my new stealthy burglery at level 39 eariler today and although I haven't tested it to lengths it seems to work as well at APP II as burgle did at (Adept I), and it is a faster moving group stealth. This line of skills is great in many situations weather it is getting spirit shards, or bypassing a few mobs in Runnyeye so that you can beat another group down to the lower lvs and get to a camp spot 1st.</DIV>

[JDak]

This isnt working.... i play my brig 2 - 3 times a week and over the last week ive seen 2 rogues and 1 other brig... today in FG i saw 4 shouting in /ooc for a group 0_oOne runnyeye one of the most highly populated servers ive never seen 2 in the same zone at the same time except when i saw one in front of me (and he was afk).... then today thier as common as SK's or Darkelves.Cant understand why though, im 21 and having 4 positionals and a whole slew of attacks readily available in combat is NO WAY near as good as slow timer uber hits <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> go Assasin y'all it sounds uber, it is uber! ... listen... just say it with me: A*S*S*A*S*I*N ... oooh makes me go all tingly.

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Cruel wrote:There.That should keep us from becoming flavour of the month for a while. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . Lets keep this thread visible to scare off all the DPS chasers to the assassin class. heheHaving loads of fun being a Rogue(omw to Brigand) And i like being in the minority with every other scout out there being a predator. Played a rogue back in the early days of Live, before we got the insane DPS, and Monks were better in every way, So I'm used to working with a handicap. Wouldn't have it anyother way.If it was easy, it wouldnt be fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />MyserieHigh-Elf Brigand,<hr></blockquote>In all thought this is actually true. Look at the top damage dealers world wide. All of them are assassins and not one is a brigand.

[Tessi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> b3tahack wrote:<BR><BR><BR>In all thought this is actually true. Look at the top damage dealers world wide. All of them are assassins and not one is a brigand.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That's cause our 600 damage hits at level 21 don't get counted in our favor. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grouped with a mage friend last night, and when he saw the ~450 Ruse floating over the enemy's head, the first thing he said implied I needed a nerf. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: Oops... did I say 600? Uh.... that's a typo... the 0 key got stuck, yeah! Should be 60... and 450, nah, just 45! (howzat? keep them assassins happy?)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tessius on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Tessius wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>b3tahack wrote:In all thought this is actually true. Look at the top damage dealers world wide. All of them are assassins and not one is a brigand.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>That's cause our 600 damage hits at level 21 don't get counted in our favor. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Grouped with a mage friend last night, and when he saw the ~450 Ruse floating over the enemy's head, the first thing he said implied I needed a nerf. </DIV><hr></blockquote>Shush! You are ruining my best cover up yet, and there was valid information to back it up, off of the Everquest 2 website! Darn you! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*Edit your post before to many people see!! Quick <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*<p>Message Edited by b3tahack on <span class=date_text>12-07-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:24 PM</span>

[MMODro]

Is this some kind of sick joke, my Brigand barely manages to do the DPS of a wizard using his newbie dagger, its pathetic!First of all my best skill makes me stand IN FRONT of enemys so I die from Barrage if I want to use it! Secondly, all my attacks do crappy damage and while they refresh fast I feel like i'm shooting tanks with blanks from a handgun... WOOOHOOO! Whats REALLY insulting is that Brigand spell upgrades drop in qeynos, so I have to pay 20g for a stupid adept I!Screw you Sony!

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JDakor wrote:<BR>This isnt working.... i play my brig 2 - 3 times a week and over the last week ive seen 2 rogues and 1 other brig... today in FG i saw 4 shouting in /ooc for a group 0_o<BR>One runnyeye one of the most highly populated servers ive never seen 2 in the same zone at the same time except when i saw one in front of me (and he was afk).... then today thier as common as SK's or Darkelves.<BR><BR>Cant understand why though, im 21 and having 4 positionals and a whole slew of attacks readily available in combat is NO WAY near as good as slow timer uber hits <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR>go Assasin y'all it sounds uber, it is uber! ... listen... just say it with me: A*S*S*A*S*I*N ... oooh makes me go all tingly.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>I'll have some of whatever he is smoking.</P> <P>Assassins shine my boots....</P><p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>12-20-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:25 AM</span>

[killig]

that makes me happy in the pants.

[Dubrek]

<DIV>I got the uber ruse lastnight. I started to use it, and an inquisitor took credit for the damage I was doing. :smileyvery-happy: I loved it, I'd rather do silent damage than take the spotlight like assassins, those that shine so early on get the nerf bat first.</DIV>

[Mad0]

<DIV>stop bragging guys.  I have not gottent o Ruse yet, i wana get a chance to see those crazy numbers of damage above my enemy's head.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't make them nerf it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[NebulaCosmosi]

<DIV> <DIV>/sigh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok I have to got board to borad to explain this every other scout based class it seems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The damage per second award goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assasin AND Ranger</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second place goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand AND Swashbuckler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third place goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dirge AND Troubadour</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is how it was intended this is how it works plain and simple. I have done the parsing for my self to prove this while grouped with an assasin and other scout based classes.  As DPS goes down group utility goes up though. So although a Ranger and or Assasin can out damage a Brig or Swashie you guys have many other group utilities to offer. Everyone on the same page now?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you come again....</DIV></DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NebulaCosmosios wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>/sigh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok I have to got board to borad to explain this every other scout based class it seems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The damage per second award goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assasin AND Ranger</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second place goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand AND Swashbuckler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third place goes to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dirge AND Troubadour</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is how it was intended this is how it works plain and simple. I have done the parsing for my self to prove this while grouped with an assasin and other scout based classes.  As DPS goes down group utility goes up though. So although a Ranger and or Assasin can out damage a Brig or Swashie you guys have many other group utilities to offer. Everyone on the same page now?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you come again....</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: I had posted an image of my high Ruse mark, but i think instead, I will let you continue to believe how you do so you can sleep better at night.</P> <p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>01-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:57 PM</span>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>I think NebulaCosmosis is just a bitter ranger who really wishes he would have stepped over to the dark side to become an Assassin.  Instead he just fools himself into thinking that his opening hits for 200+ makes him the best DPS next to Assassins.  Guess what, we get a skill that allows us to do 700+ damage (every minute), our backstab does 220+ damage with a 200 dot (every 30 seconds), we get a flanking attack that does 150 damage (every 15 seconds), and the list goes on.   This is just some of our key damage skills and these numbers are coming from a 29 Brigand.  </DIV>

[NebulaCosmosi]

<DIV>   Please I would love to be proven wrong as then we could get it fixed. What I posted is how the class balance is SUPPOSSED to work. Ranger and Assasins SHOULD be outdamaging Swashies and Brigs this is how it was intended.  I have been using statalyzer available at:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.thescoutsanctuary.com" target=_blank>http://www.thescoutsanctuary.com</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   From what I have seen thus far working with Swashies your Good counterpart is Rangers out damage them as they should by design. If this is not the case please prove me wrong with HARD data not speculation so we may then resolve this issue. I assume the burden of evidence is on me though because if what you say is true why would you wanted fixed correct?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry if I came off bitter that was not my intention.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Asa Lama Lakium.....</DIV></DIV>

[Chant]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NebulaCosmosios wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ranger and Assasins SHOULD be outdamaging Swashies and Brigs this is how it was intended.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Where did you get such a ***** idea?  It's ok if you belive so, but that is not something intended by DEV, AFAIK.  Yes, assasine is supposed to the biggest melee damage.  However, it doesn't mean biggest DPS, you know.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NebulaCosmosios wrote:<BR> <DIV>   Please I would love to be proven wrong as then we could get it fixed. What I posted is how the class balance is SUPPOSSED to work. Ranger and Assasins SHOULD be outdamaging Swashies and Brigs this is how it was intended.  I have been using statalyzer available at:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.thescoutsanctuary.com/" target=_blank>http://www.thescoutsanctuary.com</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   From what I have seen thus far working with Swashies your Good counterpart is Rangers out damage them as they should by design. If this is not the case please prove me wrong with HARD data not speculation so we may then resolve this issue. I assume the burden of evidence is on me though because if what you say is true why would you wanted fixed correct?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry if I came off bitter that was not my intention.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Asa Lama Lakium.....</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I plead the 5th and good luck with your datamining to prove your theory.</DIV>

[Tale]

<DIV>I've used that paraser, the best DPS is not rangers or assassins...It's bruisers, not by alittle either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as far as HARD data that paraser doesnt even count ruse dmg yet, so there's no real way of saying whos #1 or not but everytime I use it I always am close to or above the other scouts I group with (Ranger, Assassin). We are all the same level too.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Talent wrote:<BR> <DIV>I've used that paraser, the best DPS is not rangers or assassins...It's bruisers, not by alittle either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as far as HARD data that paraser doesnt even count ruse dmg yet, so there's no real way of saying whos #1 or not but everytime I use it I always am close to or above the other scouts I group with (Ranger, Assassin). We are all the same level too.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have been using a couple of different tools for DPS (including this recent one <A href="http://members.cox.net/combatstats" target=_blank>http://members.cox.net/combatstats</A>) and it to does NOT count Ruse damage (without the character's name in the "Surprise Blow" message produced by Ruse, it is going to be hard to append that damage to already calculated DPS). That being said, I normally finish first or second in DPS - whether I am grouped with any other type of scout, mage or fighter. The longer the encounter the wider the gap between #1 & # 2 DPS providers and the rest of the group members.</P> <P>The winner of the DPS race is really about bragging rights, which I don't really care about. If me and another subclass are neck and neck in DPS then our group is kicking posterior - THAT is what I care about. </P> <P>Still, I don't care to see players declaring with apparent certainty what the hierarchy of DPS is amongst all classes, because it is largely conjecture.<BR></P>

[NebulaCosmosi]

<DIV>Here is a link to the data I have collected so far. Please feel free to add to it. I am really interested in the "Ruse" varible that no one has yet to capture.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=2946" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=2946</A></DIV>

[NebulaCosmosi]

<DIV>sorry for double post!<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=2946" target=_blank></A></DIV><p>Message Edited by NebulaCosmosios on <span class=date_text>01-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:53 AM</span>

[Deew]

<DIV>Lol yeah... Brigands deal like no damage... boohoo, take a look newbs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301</A></DIV> <DIV>Assassins i eat for breakfast ^^</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Deewee, 45th Brigand, Valor Server</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>which skill did you hit so big with?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>oh my highest ruse would put me into 8th place on my server if it would count <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>yep.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.zerimarsurfaces.com/images/temp_pics/shank_ya_very_much_2459.jpg"></DIV>

[Fingolfin2]

<DIV>Magical hit = HO<BR><BR>If the rouges are doing more damage than the predator classes they will likely get "balanced".</DIV> <DIV>More utility = less dps</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You cant have your cake and eat it too. <BR>Looks like they are warming up the oven.<BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=4608#M4608" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=4608#M4608</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Yeah, that is why I posted my high ruse damage mark.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.zerimarsurfaces.com/images/temp_pics/shank_ya_very_much_2459.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U>...There is a bug affecting a number of abilities across more classes than yours. So a change was coming...</U></EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was a quote from Moorgard from a PM I received about the Master 1 Ruse damage a day or two ago. A change is in the works.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just need to group with some folks that can give me some uber ATK buffs between now and then so I can archive screenshots of Pre-nerf Master 1 Ruse damage <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Zerimar on <span class=date_text>01-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:17 PM</span>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>:smileysad:</DIV>

[ag]

I'll say it again...<b>If SOE nerfs Ruse, Brigands can say goodbye to solo'ing.</b>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Well I was thinking the Ruse power was doing fine up to Master 1 level. And I hope that they don't do anything to it across the board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At the Master 1 point, there is a sizable increase in damage which with a reuse timer of 60 seconds, catching no aggro, the sit/stand bug, & doing more damage than the highest melee hit in the game world wide (post level 33 or 34) seems a bit overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As long as the change that is implemented is reasonable, I won't be handing out pitchforks and torches to the other brigands.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Knowing SOE's track record on "Fixes", I am soaking my torch as we speak.</DIV>

[Kegofbud]

<DIV>Well knowing their track record for fixes, I'd say we probably have a month or two before they actually get it in place and then they'll have to fix that they accidently doubled the damage for 2 weeks trying to fix it the first time. </DIV>

[midbl]

I've seen about a million of these threads all over the boards, and I kept telling myself I wasn't going to post, but I just can't believe how many people are so uninformed. Everyone keeps saying that Assassins only have big damage attacks on long timers. That is absolutely, completely, and totally untrue. We never have to sit around waiting for our timers to wear off like you people think we do. We have quick recast, medium damage attacks as well. At level 32 I am using the following skills:Insidious Cut: 100-250 damage, slashing debuff, 20 sec. recastCut: 50-90 initial damage + ~60 damage DOT, 9 sec. recastShrouded Strike: 50-150 damage, puts assassin into stealth, 10 sec. recastNumbing Strike: ~100 damage, roots the target, 60 sec. recastThen there's the attacks from stealth...Poisoner's blade: 150-250 damage, poison resist debuff, 10 sec. recastCut Throat: ~100 damage, stifles target, 60 sec. recastEbon Blade: 250-500 damage, piercing debuff, 60 sec. recastAnd our 3-year timer attack (cough)Elaa's Perforating Strike: 800-1000 damage, 225 sec. recastClearly with all these skills, I am never waiting on a timer in combat. We also have numerous self-buffs and a couple other enemy debuffs. I am constantly clicking the hotbar for my next skill. So I'd like to know a few things. How you guys have convinced yourselves that we are spike-only based damage? Our big damage attacks are very little of our overall DPS. I don't think a single one of you has actually done anything to study this other than maybe running a parsing program. You have to actually look at the logs yourself, too. And speaking of parsing programs, is anyone actually telling the other members of the group that they're parsing? In normal combat, no one sits there and mashes wildly on the hotbars and dumps all their power on the mob's head usually. But if you're sitting there ninja parsing and skilling like mad, no wonder you're out-damaging everyone. I've parsed fights too, while actually telling people I'm parsing, and assassins do usually outdamage other classes. Yes, even brigands, and yes, even taking into account that ruse could be doing more damage that isn't being parsed. It's only fair that we do outdamage you though - other scout classes have more utility in groups, assassins pretty much only have the damage output.I'm not trying to go around saying "azzazzins rool dps u suk w00t", I'm really just trying to clear up some misconceptions about assassins. Which brings me to my last question: if you're so sure that you outdamage assassins, then why do I see so many posts by brigands that sounds like they're trying to convince themselves that they do more damage? Why do we have to have all this class competition? Every class is good and has their place, stop trying to prove you're better than everyone and just enjoy the game. And before you flame me, why don't some brigands post the skills they're using, with damage and recast times? We could actually have an intelligent discussion about this - hard to believe for EQ, I know...<p>Message Edited by midblue on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:09 AM</span>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>midblue:</DIV> <DIV>I don't think brigands regard themselves better dps than assassins, but many of them (including me) like the fact that they are one of the best dps classes, which isn't known to most of the people and have some other utilities as well.</DIV> <DIV>our biggest attack isn't the main part of our dps either, if a fight goes smooth I don't even use it just to see a high number floating above a mob's head</DIV> <DIV>to say that one class outdamages the other is useless(you can't declare assassins as higher either), depends on skill (player skill too, not only the skill lvl), equipment, poisons, buffs etc</DIV> <DIV>to post skills: I leave it to someone else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>Midblue,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is an in depth skill list for you:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ruse - 700 - 1200+ dmg every 60 secs (adept 3)</DIV> <DIV>Disarming Thrust - 100 - 150 dmg every 9 secs (adept 1)</DIV> <DIV>Hidden Shiv - 180 - 250 dmg + 230 dot every 30 secs (adept 1)</DIV> <DIV>Vicious Flurry - 2 hits for 80 - 100 dmg each every 30 secs (app 3)</DIV> <DIV>Blackjack - 100 - 150 dmg every 60 secs (adept 1)</DIV> <DIV>Rake - 80 - 120 dmg + agi debuff every 60 secs (adept 1)</DIV> <DIV>Low Blow - 110 - ? every 30 secs (app 1) just got this skill last night when I dinged 30 so I have not been able to get a good idea of the damage on it.</DIV> <DIV>Vicious Stab (our frontal attack) - 110 - ? dmg every 20 secs (adept 1) also just got this skill last night so not much testing.</DIV> <DIV>Sneak Attack (skill we share) - 60 dmg every 10 secs (app 3)</DIV> <DIV>Tangling Strike (our stealth move) -150 dmg every 60 secs (adept 1) really not sure on the damage of this one.  Haven't used it in a while.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a list of all of our damage skills that are on separate timers.  As you see here we are definitely never waiting on any skills to pop up to be able to do specials.  Our only hindrance on our skills is that they are positional.  So with a good tank that is keeping agro and pulling to the same spot, this is never a problem.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I could not agree with you more about everyone just taking their class for what they are and just enjoying the game.  I only posted this because you asked us too.  I enjoy my class very much and would not change a thing I did in my characters path up to where it is now (except a for a few of those trainings I should have thought harder about).  Just posting some facts here like you have.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing I do disagree with you is saying that: "...in normal combat, no one sits there and mashes wildly on the hotbars and dumps all their power on the mob's head usually."  I am a DPS class, I output every bit of damage I have in any group wether it be a pick up group, guild group or just soloing.  The only time I am not outputting my maximum DPS is when I am out of power (with 1129 power at level 30 isn't very often :smileyhappy: )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If any Brigands want to correct this information or post closer damage to midblue's level (32) feel free.  This is the damage skills I use at level 30.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>One addendum....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At Master 1, Ruse damage is 1400-2400 every 60 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it doesn't get parsed by DPS tools because the damage message is :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><creature> gets hit with a Surprise Blow for <enter_number> points of <enter_weapon_skill> damage...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And since there is no name associated with the damage, the parsers can't add it into the total damage numbers for me that is displayed after the fight. As a rule, you can add 2800-3500 total damage to the total damage numbers shown from tools like Combat Stats Monitor if I am in the group. That being said I am normally second or first in groups of total damage per fight - <STRONG><FONT color=#3300ff>without</FONT> </STRONG>the Ruse damage being counted (fighting multi-mob double up arrow encounters).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[midbl]

<blockquote><hr>Gyilok wrote:<DIV>midblue:</DIV><DIV>I don't think brigands regard themselves better dps than assassins</DIV><hr></blockquote>Well, I dunno about that, I do believe that was the original point of this thread, heh... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But anyway, Gyilok and Dtrick made some good points - It does definitely depend on the skill of the player, the level of the skill (app, adept, etc), buffs, and equip. So all the parsing stuff is mostly bunk I suppose. I wish there was a way to standardize it all, maybe someone could test output with no poisons, no buffs, no equipment, and identical weapons, with 2 characters of the same race. There's not exactly a scientific method for this sort of thing. And in the end it doesn't matter - if I was a group leader and looking for DPS, I'd be equally happy with either a brigand or an assassin (probably take the brigand actually, since half the assassin skills don't stack...). The main point that I wanted to make is that <b>assassins are NOT spike-based damage</b>, and I stand by that. I think it's the fact that assassins dominate the worldwide melee hits list that creates these misconceptions for everyone. Btw, thanks for posting your skill list Dtrick, that gives me a much better idea about the brigand skill set, and what I'm "up against". <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dtrick]

<DIV>NP midblue, its nice to have a civilized discussion about this rather than the "My DPS is better than yours" type arguments.  Also, don't tell the rangers, their feelings might get hurt :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the main point to all of this is, IT DOES NOT MATTER.  This game is PVE not PVP.  Who cares who does more damage.  We all bring something into our groups and that is DPS.  Wether it be 1 dps or 500 dps it will still help the group out.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>Yeah, no sabre rattling here. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just like you get perturbed when people pigeon-hole Assassins as large spike-based damagers, I get my feathers a bit ruffled when folks minimize a brigand's DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And like I have said in other posts, I don't care if my DPS is highest in a group because success is <STRONG>all about a group effort</STRONG>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Happy hunting.</DIV>

[BeHeBroo]

<DIV>I wish these brigands would shut up posting their 1337 dmg parsers, theyre digging graves for us all! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<DIV>With all the whining from the rangers, our graves are already dug.</DIV>

[RogueS]

<DIV>I have parsed my damage at lvl 22</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I rarely am at #1 in group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depending on group usually Assasins, and Wizards out do me everytime, and I seem to keep up with or right behind the bruisers and berserkers (when they are not tanking).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I am playing the class wrong?  I dont think so as I know the game and the class and understand the abilities pretty well I thought.  I am using a wied variety of skill lvl app1-adept1.  maybe that is the problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also.. everyone that is outdamaging and coming in first etc.. have you guys checked with the groups you rae in tpo see what skill lvl your fellow group m8's are using?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe they are using all App2  or something hence the reason for your high comparitive DPs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Way I see it  our DPS is good, but by far not the best in game or even second best.</DIV>

[Dtrick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RogueSun wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have parsed my damage at lvl 22</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I rarely am at #1 in group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depending on group usually Assasins, and Wizards out do me everytime, and I seem to keep up with or right behind the bruisers and berserkers (when they are not tanking).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I am playing the class wrong?  I dont think so as I know the game and the class and understand the abilities pretty well I thought.  I am using a wied variety of skill lvl app1-adept1.  maybe that is the problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also.. everyone that is outdamaging and coming in first etc.. have you guys checked with the groups you rae in tpo see what skill lvl your fellow group m8's are using?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe they are using all App2  or something hence the reason for your high comparitive DPs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Way I see it  our DPS is good, but by far not the best in game or even second best.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Once you get higher up in levels you will see a huge damage increase.  This will be due to the fact that you will be able to get your hands on almost all of your Brigand Adept 1 skills.  1-9 adepts are nearly impossible to get your hands on due to the number of scouts, 10-19 the same due to the number of rogues.  You answered your own question when you stated that you were using app 1 skills.  Also, anyone level 20+ should have greater than app 1 skills if they know what they are doing.  My core DPS comes from my specials, therefore all of my money goes to upgrading my skills as soon as possible.  If any DPS class is not doing the same thing, it is there fault for not doing the most DPS they are capable of.

[NebulaCosmosi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RogueSun wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have parsed my damage at lvl 22</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I rarely am at #1 in group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depending on group usually Assasins, and Wizards out do me everytime, and I seem to keep up with or right behind the bruisers and berserkers (when they are not tanking).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I am playing the class wrong?  I dont think so as I know the game and the class and understand the abilities pretty well I thought.  I am using a wied variety of skill lvl app1-adept1.  maybe that is the problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also.. everyone that is outdamaging and coming in first etc.. have you guys checked with the groups you rae in tpo see what skill lvl your fellow group m8's are using?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe they are using all App2  or something hence the reason for your high comparitive DPs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Way I see it  our DPS is good, but by far not the best in game or even second best.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>     What you are seeing is what everyone else is pretty much seeing as well. I have been parsing combat logs every night for several weeks now. I continuesly make it a point to group with all the other scout classes and let them know I am parsing their DPS. All my data supports that the classes are working just as they are supposed to IE as DPS goes down group Utility goes up. So Predator based subclasses lead in DPS second comes Rouge based last comes Bard based. The flip side is group utility Bard leads followed by Rouges last is Predators. This is the design and how it was intended in regards to classes. Things like equipment, spell level, buffs, debuffs etc can make one class out DPS another but at the very base the functionality is as stated. Ego's aside this is how it works and the numbers and tools to gather the numbers are readily available. </DIV></DIV>

[Dimidri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NebulaCosmosios wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RogueSun wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have parsed my damage at lvl 22</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I rarely am at #1 in group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depending on group usually Assasins, and Wizards out do me everytime, and I seem to keep up with or right behind the bruisers and berserkers (when they are not tanking).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I am playing the class wrong?  I dont think so as I know the game and the class and understand the abilities pretty well I thought.  I am using a wied variety of skill lvl app1-adept1.  maybe that is the problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also.. everyone that is outdamaging and coming in first etc.. have you guys checked with the groups you rae in tpo see what skill lvl your fellow group m8's are using?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe they are using all App2  or something hence the reason for your high comparitive DPs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Way I see it  our DPS is good, but by far not the best in game or even second best.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>     What you are seeing is what everyone else is pretty much seeing as well. I have been parsing combat logs every night for several weeks now. I continuesly make it a point to group with all the other scout classes and let them know I am parsing their DPS. All my data supports that the classes are working just as they are supposed to IE as DPS goes down group Utility goes up. So Predator based subclasses lead in DPS second comes Rouge based last comes Bard based. The flip side is group utility Bard leads followed by Rouges last is Predators. This is the design and how it was intended in regards to classes. Things like equipment, spell level, buffs, debuffs etc can make one class out DPS another but at the very base the functionality is as stated. Ego's aside this is how it works and the numbers and tools to gather the numbers are readily available. </DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Tell that to Swashbucklers and Rangers. Their evil counterparts are definitely doing better in the damage department, and they don't get much to make up for it. Swashbucklers have Mezz, but half their skills are whacked, so, that cancels mezz out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Assassin damage is not really that much more than that of a Brigand's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and if you're using App2s, you're going to be outdamaged. If you're using App1s, you're going to be slapped. The LEAST you could do is get App3, which are cheap because the new App4s and of course the Adept 1s. If you don't upgrade your skills, that's not your class's fault. Skills are a BIG part of DPS, and upgrading them is pretty much a necessity to someone who wants to be a good contributor to the party.</DIV>

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>Deewee wrote:<DIV>Lol yeah... Brigands deal like no damage... boohoo, take a look newbs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301</A></DIV><DIV>Assassins i eat for breakfast ^^</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>- Deewee, 45th Brigand, Valor Server</DIV><hr></blockquote>That is server wide, your information is correct but not the truth from the whole population. <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankSwi de&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=" target=_blank> CLICKY</a> Those are the stats world wide and as I see it that is how it should be. Brigands are not the best dps. Yes I play a Brigand, I do good over time damage and have nice debuffs. But assassins beat us as it should be. They are the ones doing the best dps. With burst damage at high hits. Ringing blow does not count as our damage yet the after effect of our attack. When the mob attacks us we surprise it, that scares the animal making it weaker(damage delt). This is how it should work and how it does. (this is not a flame towards any profession, also infact I love my Brigand main char.)

[Elv]

<P>Its true about Zerkers/monks out dmg'ing all scout class's at higher lvl's but that seems to only be in scenarios where there is a grp of mobs. On single encounters youll notice that scout class will dominate * long as they know what there doing. This is because they have a much higher AE atk. Where as we have much higher solo target atk.</P> <P>Im an assassin, first and foremost. Im currently Lv42 at the time of this post. You cant really complain too much about your dps not being as high or intended to be as high as assassins due to the fact you get way more beneficial and grp utilities. We really dont have junk to work with. We can self invis / sneak.. couple self buffs for added hits and self haste +agi but thats about it. Pretty much only thing we donate is pathfinding which any scout has. </P> <P>As of now I have a layout of 30 hot buttons, 20 dedicated for just in combat moves, the other 10 for buffs ..ect ..</P> <P>There seems to be some that exaggerate the recast time on some assassin abilities. There not nearly half as bad as some seem to make it.</P> <P>My big hit is on 225 timer.. hits 1000 - 1600+ atm<BR>my 60 sec timer , which generally gets used once per encounter if not twice hits for upwards of 700+</P> <P>I got a couple on short 15sec timers that can hit for over 200 dmg.. once I debuff them.<BR>Then theres a handful of debuffs and DoT's ... on 30'ish sec timers .. </P> <P>I have the Haste Ring  / FBSS / and adept self haste buff. I avg about 115 - 135dps on any Yellow+ ^^ encounter.  Wait I also have Evac, :smileyhappy: yet another world wide scout ability  .. but they nerfed that recently too' someone always seems to miss the bus out lol</P> <P>.. but Ill admit to something ... out of any other scout class. Id like to have a brigand by my side more so then a swash , ranger , ect .. They seem second to assassins as far as DPS goes.</P> <P>anywho, just adding some information to this string</P>

[Annubi]

<blockquote><hr>b3tahack wrote:<blockquote><hr>Deewee wrote:<DIV>Lol yeah... Brigands deal like no damage... boohoo, take a look newbs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankServ er&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=301</A></DIV><DIV>Assassins i eat for breakfast ^^</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>- Deewee, 45th Brigand, Valor Server</DIV><hr></blockquote>That is server wide, your information is correct but not the truth from the whole population. <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?rank=magicHitRankSwi de&type=HighestMagicalHit&serverId=" target=_blank> CLICKY</a> Those are the stats world wide and as I see it that is how it should be. Brigands are not the best dps. Yes I play a Brigand, I do good over time damage and have nice debuffs. But assassins beat us as it should be. They are the ones doing the best dps. With burst damage at high hits. Ringing blow does not count as our damage yet the after effect of our attack. When the mob attacks us we surprise it, that scares the animal making it weaker(damage delt). This is how it should work and how it does. (this is not a flame towards any profession, also infact I love my Brigand main char.)<hr></blockquote>What do either of these statistics have to do with DPS?

[Nelion]

<DIV>Who cares what damage the Assassins do...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If one starts to annoy me too much, I'll just Clobber the sucker to the ground... now lets see who licks who's boots eh?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Whazza yoo want, eh?"</DIV> <DIV>~Merchant Skagga~ in Big Bend</DIV>

[Annubi]

<blockquote><hr>k-templar wrote:<DIV>Who cares what damage the Assassins do...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>If one starts to annoy me too much, I'll just Clobber the sucker to the ground... now lets see who licks who's boots eh?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>"Whazza yoo want, eh?"</DIV><DIV>~Merchant Skagga~ in Big Bend</DIV><hr></blockquote>I love Clobber. Best ability in the game so far, IMO :p

[MMODro]

The sick irony is that this thread is true, now that you cant use Ruse in a group.Woo! FU SOE!

[Gyilok]

<DIV>well that atleast makes those who rolled a brigand for ruse turn to something new </DIV>

[DSArmagedd]

Nah.. I rolled a brigand to be high DPS and a backup tank if one is unavailable or if someone needs to get agro off of a healer/caster.Ruse was nice, but wasn't one of the prime things I made a brigand for.Well.. now that my DPS is down and I tank like a wet paper sack due to the AGI screwup.... Mabye I should of gone assassain for the higher DPS and totally forgot about tanking at all, since I can't do it now anyways <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MMODro]

<blockquote><hr>Gyilok wrote:<DIV>well that atleast makes those who rolled a brigand for ruse turn to something new </DIV><hr></blockquote>You have entered a dark cavern litonly by the light of your torch.In the middle of the cavern is arushing stream with a mold coveredstone bridge crossing it. Standing in front of the bridge yousee a Level 1 Troll, what do you do?[a]tack, [c]ast, [i]tem, [r]un, [s]peak?C Flaming StrikeYou cast Flaming Strike on Level 1 Troll for 43,200 damage.A Level 1 Troll dies.You gain 10xp.You find 1cp.Your faction has improved with: All

[b3taha]

<blockquote><hr>MMODrone wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gyilok wrote:<DIV>well that atleast makes those who rolled a brigand for ruse turn to something new </DIV><hr></blockquote>You have entered a dark cavern litonly by the light of your torch.In the middle of the cavern is arushing stream with a mold coveredstone bridge crossing it. Standing in front of the bridge yousee a Level 1 Troll, what do you do?[a]tack, [c]ast, [i]tem, [r]un, [s]peak?C Flaming StrikeYou cast Flaming Strike on Level 1 Troll for 43,200 damage.A Level 1 Troll dies.You gain 10xp.You find 1cp.Your faction has improved with: All<hr></blockquote>? The sense of that post was.......I think I am missing the joke.

[Mars]

<DIV>Okay.....been awhile since I've programmed, but someone tell me why they can't make a parser that gets Ruse?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's how I'd do it.  They already have in place a check for the /who command.  If a /who comes up as Brigand, it could set a variable, which when checked causes "Surprise Attack" to be parsed to that character.  I'm pretty sure brigands are the only class that get that exact message.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only problems I foresee are groups with multiple brigands would get all the Ruses parsed to them, but frankly brigands are a rare enough class I doubt this would be a common problem and its still better than it is now.  The only other possible problem I could see is the added processing time of the extra check, but really that should be VERY minor or could just parse the log after logout as opposed to updating it in real time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone have any idea why that wouldn't work or hasn't been done yet?  I'm no programmer, but this seems like a relatively simple problem to at least put a partial solution to.</DIV>

[Zerim]

<DIV>yeah combatstats does - but only if there is one brigand in the group</DIV>