KoS/FD 1h Weapons and Crit Hit Ratios

[SadistiKPopsiKle]

<DIV>So I was interested in what % of damage you gain from crit hits using the Str line and a 1h weapon.  I took the most popular weapons and used <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=111347&query.id=77489#M111347" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=111347&query.id=77489#M111347</A> this thread to look at the damage and % chance.  If I did the math right this should be the results using the ~14% crit bonus and ONLY the bonus from our AA line.  It does not include items or potions or adornments as you would have that % even if you werent on the STR line.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  Note:  The damage % is added melee damage not the % of damage added to your total DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Shadow Axe</U></DIV> <DIV>58-135 damage</DIV> <DIV>2.5 Delay</DIV> <DIV>77.03 DR</DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 6.7%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Qeynos Kilij</U></DIV> <DIV>31-92 damage</DIV> <DIV>1.6 delay</DIV> <DIV>76.82 DR</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 7.8%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><U>Chel'drak's Shard</U></DIV> <DIV>44-176 damage</DIV> <DIV>2.5 delay</DIV> <DIV>87.7 DR</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 9.5%</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV><U>Axe of the Bloodbeast</U></DIV> <DIV>28-156 damage</DIV> <DIV>2.5 delay</DIV> <DIV>73.37 DR</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 10.8%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><U>Spear of the Mighty Grutan</U></DIV> <DIV>41-235 damage</DIV> <DIV>3.5 delay</DIV> <DIV>78.99 DR</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 10.85%</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV><U>Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass/Ancient Vorpal Blade</U></DIV> <DIV>24-137 damage</DIV> <DIV>2.0 delay</DIV> <DIV>80.7 DR</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Damage % more with 14% crits: 10.85%</DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So with these results I would say the Shard is the best for a Str/Wis build swashy even though it has 1% less damage than some others it makes up for it in straight DR.  Then the next best would be AVB/ASWC?  The 2.0 delay may or may not work against it I would really have to parse them myself.  I was suprised to see SA as one of the worst for that build as far as straight added damage %...I dunno exactly what does everyone else think on this?  Assuming i did this right <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In all the calculations I used the same forumula Max/Min then I found the number on the chart on the forums above (eg. Shard was ~1.675 so 67.5% with 100% crit) and multiplied the % by 14% so with Shard it would be 0.14 x 0.675 = ~9.5%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think I did all the math right I was just going of the forum mentioned above and thought I would consolidate my findings on one post.  Please don't flame me if I did the math wrong caus it's almost 5am and I was bored <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by SadistiKPopsiKle on <SPAN class=date_text>01-14-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:51 AM</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Heh had to change a few things.....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it's late</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by SadistiKPopsiKle on <span class=date_text>01-14-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:53 AM</span>

[bloodrage42]

your a genious mathematician man. Been outta school to long to figure that out im glad you did this man. It looks good. Im a little comfused on the crit% with chels shard though. That has to crit more. But great post man <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cocytus]

<P>Thank you for posting this. This confirms the argument that the Axe of the Bloodbeast is indeed better than the Shadow Axe. A lot of people still think the axe is better because of the DR, lol.</P> <P> </P> <P>From the parses and math I have seen, I would say the best weapon out there is indeed Chel'Drak's shard. From this list, in order from best to least-best (since none of them suck :p)</P> <P> </P> <P>Chel Drak</P> <P>Spear of the Mighty Grutan</P> <P>AVP/ASWC</P> <P>Axe of the Bloodbeast <FONT color=#ff0000><---mine! finally! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P>Shadow Axe</P> <P>Qeynos Kilij</P><p>Message Edited by Cocytus on <span class=date_text>01-14-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:29 AM</span>

[Luk]

using one of the weapons listed as an example<div> <div><font color="#ff0000"><u>Chel'drak's Shard</u></font></div> <div><font color="#ff0000">44-176 damage</font></div> <div><font color="#ff0000">2.5 delay</font></div> <div><font color="#ff0000">87.7 DR</font></div> <div> <div><font color="#ff0000">Damage % more with 14% crits: 9.5%</font></div></div></div> <div>does this take into account the minimum value for a crit?<font color="#ff0000">In all the calculations I used the same forumula Max/Min then I found the number on the chart on the forums above (eg. Shard was ~1.675 so 67.5% with 100% crit) and multiplied the % by 14% so with Shard it would be 0.14 x 0.675 = ~9.5%</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>what I mean is, your damage range is 44-176, but your crit range is 177-220 (this is because minimum crit value is  maximum damage +1) </div><div></div>

[SadistiKPopsiKle]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bloodrage42 wrote: your a genious mathematician man. Been outta school to long to figure that out im glad you did this man. It looks good. Im a little comfused on the crit% with chels shard though. That has to crit more. But great post man <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Bah the original forum I got all the info from was the math genious <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I just applied his formula's to the weapon.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote: Thank you for posting this. This confirms the argument that the Axe of the Bloodbeast is indeed better than the Shadow Axe. A lot of people still think the axe is better because of the DR, lol. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm still not sure about BB being better than SA. True BB crits a lot more but I don't think the weapon does near as much damage as SA or at least it looks that way from how the other Swashbuckler was parsing with it. I would have to hav BB to test it out but SA seems like a pretty solid weapon no matter the line you go.  And Im still not convinced that the spear is a good choice the delay seems a bit much to me where it would only hit between every 2 combat arts as the other weapons for the most part are hitting after everyone one if you time it right.  I would really have to see this thing in action though I hear it has insane crits.  I dunno I would say Chel's Shard is probably still the best.  But I would say the next in line is AVB/ASWC because they have a nice damage spread, high percentage crit boost and a good damage rating.  </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Licit wrote: does this take into account the minimum value for a crit? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The min/max damage +1 rule I believe is calculated in the graph part. That is where you get the percentage of damage added to your melee hits. So yes....I think lol.</P><p>Message Edited by SadistiKPopsiKle on <span class=date_text>01-14-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:55 PM</span>

[Rokjin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Licit wrote:<BR>using one of the weapons listed as an example<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><U>Chel'drak's Shard</U></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>44-176 damage</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>2.5 delay</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>87.7 DR</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Damage % more with 14% crits: 9.5%</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> <DIV>does this take into account the minimum value for a crit?<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>In all the calculations I used the same forumula Max/Min then I found the number on the chart on the forums above (eg. Shard was ~1.675 so 67.5% with 100% crit) and multiplied the % by 14% so with Shard it would be 0.14 x 0.675 = ~9.5%</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000><BR></FONT><BR>what I mean is, your damage range is 44-176, but your crit range is 177-220 (this is because minimum crit value is  maximum damage +1) <BR></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yes, he's using the formula I created for critical damage, which gives you the average boost to damage from criticals, taking into account the boosted range. Yes Celer, your math is correct from what I can see.</P> <P>It's worth noting that Chel'Draks Shard does suffer a bit from the high 2.5 delay, which hastes down to a max of 1.1111 delay. Though the inheret lag in the game may make up for that.</P>

[SadistiKPopsiKle]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rokjin wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Licit wrote:<BR>using one of the weapons listed as an example<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><U>Chel'drak's Shard</U></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>44-176 damage</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>2.5 delay</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>87.7 DR</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Damage % more with 14% crits: 9.5%</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> <DIV>does this take into account the minimum value for a crit?<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>In all the calculations I used the same forumula Max/Min then I found the number on the chart on the forums above (eg. Shard was ~1.675 so 67.5% with 100% crit) and multiplied the % by 14% so with Shard it would be 0.14 x 0.675 = ~9.5%</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000><BR></FONT><BR>what I mean is, your damage range is 44-176, but your crit range is 177-220 (this is because minimum crit value is  maximum damage +1) <BR></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yes, he's using the formula I created for critical damage, which gives you the average boost to damage from criticals, taking into account the boosted range. Yes Celer, your math is correct from what I can see.</P> <P>It's worth noting that Chel'Draks Shard does suffer a bit from the high 2.5 delay, which hastes down to a max of 1.1111 delay. Though the inheret lag in the game may make up for that.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hehe great post on the original forum I got all this math from by the way.  And thanks for clearing it up.  I am pretty good with math though not very confident that I am doing it correctly <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Took a leap for me to even post what I did just out of my own curiosity to see how the popular 1h weapons compare to each other.

[Shadowfoot007]

I personally do not look at DR as a base with regards for crits.  However, I do not have a answer on what is best out there.Some interesting data.I use Vilucidac's sword of Sheilding and occasioanlly switch out to velium during inspiration for the delay.When with all swash T7buffs up (masters)  my stats areStr 551  (dps 30 and hst 23 with adorments and deathtoll bracelet)  When I type /weaponstats in game VSS showsBase damage 60-238Actual damage: 167-668Actual delay: 2.4  (Havent checked this in raids since most of our haste is up there due to bravado)Procspermin: 1.8I know when I crit (which I get to about 23 percent in raids using elixr of tactics) Im seeing sometimes around 1500 hits with VSS.Not to shabby.My dps runs from 800(rarley..usually lag issues or positional issues) to 2000(rarley and has to be a good dps buff grp) depending on the fight.<div></div>

[SmCaudata]

<div></div>I know this wasn't the point of the thread, but I wanted to comment on other comments.Don't forget procs.  Pre EoF procs were an afterthought.  Power of Marr is huge zonewide on damage now.  With 200+ haste happening quite often for me and the increased proc rate it is over 5% of my damage zonewide when autoattack is somewhere between 40 and 45 most of the time.  That is like a 10% damage increase to the weapon.If there were no adornments it would easily be right behind the venekor 1 handers as far as damage outpout I think.  With adornments it drops it down a few notches, but I still think that there really isn't much to upgrade from the Claymore reward for us unless you get a venekor weapon or Chel's Shard.<div></div><p>Message Edited by SmCaudata on <span class=date_text>01-17-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:12 AM</span>

[Rokjin]

Qeynos Kilnij is a bit better then PvP Weapon, even with it not being able to be adorned, the proc on it makes up for that. Only problem is I'd have to pick up Sailwind and drop Coule if I went with it, due to the 1.6 delay.

[Mion da Peon]

<DIV>These bonuses are calculated at 14 % crit rating but increase more with a better crit percentage.  </DIV> <DIV>     How about at 25 %? </DIV> <DIV>Won't the weapons with higher bonuses fair better when compared to the claymore's perks and bonuses?</DIV>

[SadistiKPopsiKle]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mion da Peon wrote:<BR> <DIV>These bonuses are calculated at 14 % crit rating but increase more with a better crit percentage.  </DIV> <DIV>     How about at 25 %? </DIV> <DIV>Won't the weapons with higher bonuses fair better when compared to the claymore's perks and bonuses?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yup do the math.  I used 14% because that is what EVERY swashy will get with Str AA line maxed on that part.  Most people are going to have variable crit% due to group make up and gear.  So find what yours is and use the formula and chart from the link I posted and figure it out.</DIV>