Swashbuckler in PVP/PVE

[Comp2go]

Hi, Im deciding to roll a Swashbuckler, while my brother is rolling a Dirge. I would like to know if Swashies are good in pvp with DPS. Also, I would like to know if we get shunned in the raid catergory. I know people need Troub's and Dirge, but what about Swashies? Also, can someone please tell em what that Red Chain armor is (if you know). <div></div>

[Comp2go]

Any help?<div></div>

[Foolsfolly]

Swashbucklers are designed for high sustained damage over time. In PVP, the key to winning is doing huge damage really fast. I'm not saying swashies can't win pvp sometimes, but when playing against a competent fast-dps class like assassin, ranger, wizard, necro, and probobly even brigands, the swashy would have very little if any chance of winning.In raids we are slightly more useful since most fights last long enough for our high sustained dps to really shine. However our debuffs are basically useless, and most of the classes I listed above as well as a few others will still do more damage than us on raids so none of the absolute best guilds will take swashies, and lesser raiding guilds only take us if there are no other dedicated raiding dps classes available.<div></div>

[Comp2go]

<div></div>In the end, Im doing this for pvp. I will probally get a pickup somwhere into raids. The swashy DPS is all good correct? Thats all I want. Mad Dps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Comp2go on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 PM</span>

[Tarya]

What Foolsfolly was trying to say we don't do burst dmg - we shine in long fights. So if you look for PvP as one-to-one fights be careful who you pick a fight with. In raids aye you'll do fine. I disagree only in one part... I think our debuffs are useful... problem is that others don't see them since those don't show in parse. But when you use debuffs you help the whole group/raid to perform better. <div></div>

[Ales]

<div><blockquote><hr>Foolsfolly wrote:Swashbucklers are designed for high sustained damage over time. In PVP, the key to winning is doing huge damage really fast. I'm not saying swashies can't win pvp sometimes, but when playing against a competent fast-dps class like assassin, ranger, <b>wizard, necro</b>, and probobly even brigands, the swashy would have very little if any chance of winning.In raids we are slightly more useful since most fights last long enough for our high sustained dps to really shine. However our debuffs are basically useless, and most of the classes I listed above as well as a few others will still do more damage than us on raids so none of the absolute best guilds will take swashies, and lesser raiding guilds only take us if there are no other dedicated raiding dps classes available.<div></div><hr></blockquote>What are you talking about? Clothies are helpless against swashies. Wizzies can't even get a spell off and Necros are dead before they can even tag their pet onto me.</div>

[Roald]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Foolsfolly wrote:<BR>Swashbucklers are designed for high sustained damage over time. In PVP, the key to winning is doing huge damage really fast. I'm not saying swashies can't win pvp sometimes, but when playing against a competent fast-dps class like assassin, ranger, wizard, necro, and probobly even brigands, the swashy would have very little if any chance of winning.<BR>In raids we are slightly more useful since most fights last long enough for our high sustained dps to really shine. However our debuffs are basically useless, and most of the classes I listed above as well as a few others will still do more damage than us on raids so none of the absolute best guilds will take swashies, and lesser raiding guilds only take us if there are no other dedicated raiding dps classes available.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do you play PvP? Swashys can quite easily own most of those classes.....I am pretty sure that for freeport/exile they are one of the most feared classes to come up agaisnt. IMHO Swashy is an excellent chose for PvP, and if you are well equiped you should have no problem owning people very easily!!

[tass]

u want a brig if its for pvp. Just read any thread that screams nerf in the pvp secion. Brigs stun, stun stun stun and beat the hell outa u in about 4 seconds flat. They are the best of the pvp classes right now even after soe tryed to nerf them.<div></div>

[Cocytus]

Best class for PVP is the class you play best. Nothing else matters. That is the one truth of PVP.

[mikemastermikeymike]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Foolsfolly wrote:<BR>Swashbucklers are designed for high sustained damage over time. In PVP, the key to winning is doing huge damage really fast. I'm not saying swashies can't win pvp sometimes, but when playing against a competent fast-dps class like assassin, ranger, wizard, necro, and probobly even brigands, the swashy would have very little if any chance of winning.<BR>In raids we are slightly more useful since most fights last long enough for our high sustained dps to really shine. However our debuffs are basically useless, and most of the classes I listed above as well as a few others will still do more damage than us on raids so none of the absolute best guilds will take swashies, and lesser raiding guilds only take us if there are no other dedicated raiding dps classes available.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I havn't been to the boards latlly, but im back and replaying on more of the newer threads, and you must have no clue what you are talking about. Hands down swashys are one of the top 3 classes pvp wise. Any swash who can press en-grade + haste and dps mod + insperation = win. the main skill to tell if a swash is good is swash vs. swash ..... lets just say the noob swashys in qeynos on nagafen arent that good but can still kill any other class minus swash because we are such a good class. in other words swashys [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing own in pvp and raiding

[LiquidFusion17]

<P>Wow not burst damage huh? LOL @ that.... Swashie / Dirge is an AMAZING combo to have if you plan on doing some heavy end pvp, just get a decent pickup healer and you can run around taking down full groups. I have a 50 swash on naggy but I stopped playing it because i got tired it and I wanted to start raiding again.</P> <P>What a swashbuckler offers to PvP, If you plan on being a "good" aligned class swashbucklers are amazing, They offer Smuggle (group stealth) which is pretty much key in PvP, Swashbucklers have amazing burst dps when they use there temp spells like Inspired Daring / Inspiration. On nagafen I used to run around with a dirge, basically he throws on Cacophony Blades + my Inspired daring and just aoe burst everyone, healers wouldn't even have a chance to heal b4 they are dead (or there target is dead). Rogue offence stance is amazing, 30% chance to interrupt your target you can pretty much auto-attack casters to death (just don't let them root you). Another good thing about swashies is we have an ability called Hurricane which does nice AoE damage to all the players around you as you attack. Say you get a healer down to red, then a tank taunts you, thats when you use all ur aoe's stunning everyone around you and possibly killing the healer on top of that if hurricane procs then your dealing more damage in the area of effect. And if those two weren't enough you get a perm buff that makes your target loose you as a target 20% of all attacks, making it very frustrating for them to kill you. Basically I used to run around me a dirge and a fury and we would take down full groups with ease.</P> <P>Yes other classes offer nice abilities too but I wouldnt wanna play PvP without my swashie.</P>

[Arkari]

When I played a Brig in PvE I figured that Swashes would never have a chance because I regularly came really close and sometimes outparsed a slightly higher level and better equipped Swashy. I was a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Brigand though, knew the class out and out and regularly solo'd tough named in Poets and whatnot. This was before the raise to 70. After rolling a Swashy in PvP, purely because the goodies were outnumbered, I have come to the conclusion that the classes are extremely balanced for PvP. In one on one duels the winner was determined by gear or levels, and if both were close it was always a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good match. I ran across a Brig one level higher than me at 43 and we had 3 rounds, the first fight I straight up owned him. The second he beat me by 3%. The third I beat him by 7%. So I'm not really sure how well geared he was but he had full ebon, and I wasn't insanely geared by any means. Don't knock the Swashy's debuffs as crippling the others offense can be as devastating as destroying your mit, which don't forget Swashy's do as well.<div></div>

[Demourn]

I betrayed my 70 brig to a 70 swash on a pvp server.  The Swash style of play fits me much better.  I don't know what the one poster was thinking when he said we can't do burst damage.  There is really only one class that I have trouble with, and have beat me more than I have beat them, and thats a Brigand.  Although given the raid gear and the sheer number of players on the freeport side, I think if i was equally geared to the "Generals" i always run into, it would be much more even. All things considered I would much rather play my swash. <div></div>

[ElctSocket]

I can kill most classes without my temp buffs but if I decided to slap those on, nothing will stop me. I agree that brigands are the hardest class to play against as a swash so in conclusion: Nerf Brigands <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>