Quick question on AA's

[Garvok]

<DIV>I'm 47th level and I'm thinking about going str/agi.  Is it viable before end game equipment to do so?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will I be hindering myself or can I expect only a slight difference?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm in full ebon and I'm a weaponsmith so my weapons are the best I can make. (Ebon)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Right now, I'm str/agi.  But something about the wisdom line seems very appealing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any information or suggestions would be great!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wired - 47th Swashbuckler/51 Weaponsmith Luclan</DIV>

[Rokjin]

<DIV>I'm guessing you mean going to str/wis, not str/agi since that's what you already are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many AA points do you have?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assuming your using Ebon DW's vs an Ebon 1h, then it will depend on how many AAs you have and what your playstyle is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do you solo alot? Group alot? PvP? T5 Raid?</DIV>

[Garvok]

<P>First off, Thanks for replying.</P> <P> </P> <P>I do a little of solo, group and raid play.  I enjoy the many facets that EQ2 has to offer.</P> <P> </P> <P>Right now I have 33 AA's.  Still working on them, slowly but surely.</P> <P> </P> <P>Any help is appreciated.</P> <P> </P> <P>And Yes, I meant I want to try STR/WIS, But I also don't want ot [Removed for Content] myself if its a gear dependent spec.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks again!</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Garvok on <span class=date_text>12-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:01 AM</span>

[Garvok]

<DIV>Anyones advice is appreciated <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cocytus]

<P>STR 4/4/4/8 WIS 4/4/4/8 with your choice of where to put the rest is the best dps spec. Usually taking Coule is another dps boost, but Traumatic Swipe is highly useful to help with mob special timers, particularly AEs.</P> <P> </P> <P>Some swashbucklers prefer dual wielding though, and for them the best spec is Str 4/4/4/8 agi 4/4/4/8.</P> <P> </P> <P>When going down the one hander line, the optimal delay to aim for is a 2.0 weapon. The next best (don't think there's anything closer) is 1.6, followed by 2.5.</P>

[Garvok]

<DIV>Thanks again with the reply.  Atm the moment Made 50th and have 36 AA's.  I'm going to test out the one handed spec and see if it fits my play style.  The input you gave was very helpful and should lead me in the right direction.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks again</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wired Shut - 50 Swashbuckler/51 Weaponsmith</DIV>

[Aboun]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote: <P>When going down the one hander line, the optimal delay to aim for is a 2.0 weapon. The next best (don't think there's anything closer) is 1.6, followed by 2.5.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can you explain this for me?  I understand there is a cap to haste.  Are the numbers you are quoting under the assumption that  you are in a raid with the optimal group setup for maxium haste ?  and why 1.6 then 2.5 ?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Baaloc]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Abounds wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote: <P>When going down the one hander line, the optimal delay to aim for is a 2.0 weapon. The next best (don't think there's anything closer) is 1.6, followed by 2.5.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can you explain this for me?  I understand there is a cap to haste.  Are the numbers you are quoting under the assumption that  you are in a raid with the optimal group setup for maxium haste ?  and why 1.6 then 2.5 ?</P> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I believe Leithe is talking about the optimal build for balancing auto-attacking inbetween your CA's and proc rates from your weapons.</P> <P>Basically, when you use a CA, your auto-attack gets put on hold for the duration of the cast. When the cast is done, you resume where you left off on the auto-attack. So if you use a 2.0 wep (which is roughly inbetween a 1.6 and 2.5) you are balancing auto-attack dmg and proc rates (since procs will occur more frequently when using a slower weapon).</P> <P>2.0 is the middle, or the most balanced. </P> <P>1.6 is only .4 dalay away from 2.0, hence making it closer to the middle</P> <P>2.5 is .5 dalay away from 2.0, hence making it the furthest from optimal balanced wep.</P>

[Cocytus]

Correct - 2.0 is the optimal delay, because it has the best balance of proc rates, crit rates, and total attacks.

[Goozman]

So would you say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the str/wis setup with the offhand empty will provide significantly more dps than dual wielding with str/agi? Or will the results be similar? I do notice that just about every rogue in existance is using the shadow axe, but I just want someone to pound it in my head that 1 handed > dual wield for rogues.

[Thundy]

<div></div>I believe the general consensus is that with the right gear and AA, STR/WIS will top DW DPS.I went STR/STA myself with a round shield and 1h because I tank a whole lot, and have been very pleased.<div></div>

[Cocytus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> So would you say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the str/wis setup with the offhand empty will provide significantly more dps than dual wielding with str/agi? Or will the results be similar? I do notice that just about every rogue in existance is using the shadow axe, but I just want someone to pound it in my head that 1 handed > dual wield for rogues.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Assuming the scouts in question are wearing similar gear - the 1h swash will do more DPS than the DW, consistantly.

[Rokjin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> So would you say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the str/wis setup with the offhand empty will provide significantly more dps than dual wielding with str/agi? Or will the results be similar? I do notice that just about every rogue in existance is using the shadow axe, but I just want someone to pound it in my head that 1 handed > dual wield for rogues.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Assuming the scouts in question are wearing similar gear - the 1h swash will do more DPS than the DW, consistantly.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wouldn't go as far to say in the same arbitrary circumstances..</P> <P>There are some specific situations where STR/WIS will have the advantage over STR/AGI. Most notably in high-end gear, with good buffs. IE: Raiding situations. Soloing and grouping pre end game I would almost say STR/AGI is probably a better choice.</P>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> So would you say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the str/wis setup with the offhand empty will provide significantly more dps than dual wielding with str/agi? Or will the results be similar? I do notice that just about every rogue in existance is using the shadow axe, but I just want someone to pound it in my head that 1 handed > dual wield for rogues.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Assuming the scouts in question are wearing similar gear - the 1h swash will do more DPS than the DW, consistantly.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That's pretty much what I wanted to hear, but now people are saying that's only better with fabled stuff; what about during the leveling stages?</P> <P>Thanks 4 the info</P>

[Kharadr]

Super high-end 1-hander and WIS line will out-dps super high-end DW and AGI line, when on max haste and DPS. The problem of course is that people very rarely have the super high-end 1-hander and max haste / DPS all the time. I am only in a casual raid guild but I've seen a super high-end 1-hander drop only once, maybe twice in 5 months of raiding (we've only killed Tarinax twice and haven't killed Venekor yet though). And I'm usually put in a random DPS-y group halfway down the raid and my haste / DPS buffs might not reach 100/100 at all during a raid. So theoretically speaking it's better. But in the Real EQ2 World (*cough*) things might not always work that way. And anyway, if you're soloing or grouping you hafta wonder whether giving up one whole slot of HP / power is worth it just for DPS. We don't all raid all the time and you hafta survive first to do DPS <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[SageGaspar]

The most important question is, stylistically, do you like one-handers better? You're not going to "[Removed for Content]" yourself either way. We're talking about shifts of relatively minor amounts of DPS in the scheme of things when in optimal raid conditions. It's way too complicated to simplify down to just one rule of thumb.How often do you envision yourself being in those situations, and will you care enough about it when you are?<div></div>