I LOVE being a swashy!

[Dnelle]

<DIV>I created a fae swashy, and WOW I really love it.  I can sneak around and use sneak attacks, back attacks.  I killed a yellow with only a few hits.  (ok, ok, i know... im still only level 5 and it will probably get a butload harder lol)  Just wanted to share my enthusiasm.  Any tips from elder swashys for when I get higher level?</DIV>

[Thavek]

I've played a lot of different classes and so far my highest level char is my 33 swashie.  he's a lot of fun.  Tracking  <span>:smileywink:</span>DPS Single target <span>:smileywink:DPS AOE <span>:smileywink:</span></span>Debuffs <span>:smileywink:</span>Mez <span>:smileywink:</span>Aggro Redux <span>:smileywink:</span>Swashbuckler Style <span>:smileywink:What is there not to like in a swashie?</span><div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<div><blockquote><hr>Thavek wrote:<span>What is there not to like in a swashie?</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>The easter bonnet that female swashies get as a class hat instead of the swashy hat?<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   that said, my swashy is my favorite <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Cocytus]

Plus I like being able to use 1 sword and no offhand sword and still do uber dps. Mmmm completes swashiness for me.

[liveja]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dnelle74 wrote: im still only level 5 and it will probably get a butload harder lol)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Actually, it won't get a buttload harder. IMHO, my Swashie (level 62) is almost retardedly easy to play, solo or group.</P> <P>I love my Swashie. What's NOT to love???</P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Katr]

<P>I made a fae swashy too!</P> <P> </P> <P>Loving her, the dps is fantastic and I can solo quite well.  I usually only get hit once or twice before the mob is dead at my feet:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[PhoenixBroth]

I have a halfling Swashy, and I love it. Little guy can do some massive damage. The funny part is that I originally created him because a guild leader asked me to for raiding purposes. I didn't think I was going to like it, but I love him! lol

[Relmord]

<P>Far and away Swashy is my fav class to play.Very versatile, and deadly. While I'm only 5 times your stated level at 25, I've found that what I could do at 5, or 15, I can still do at 25 (although I will admit, having most of my current CAs at Master level really helps a bunch...)</P> <P> </P> <P>Daeroth Diredirk</P> <P>25 Swashy </P> <P>Lucan DeLere</P>

[Cocytus]

We're among the most balanced of classes <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Quilia]

Shh rule one of swash club, don't talk about swash club.<div></div>

[Cocytus]

Whoops.

[Kroms]

<DIV>we own but lets not say that too much... l<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Spectralmist]

<P>I created a new fae swashy as well.  I'm really enjoying him.  I stopped playing my ranger back at LU19 - switched to my Fury then.</P> <P>Now, I'm not side-lining my Fury - he's finally closing in on T7.  But I have a feeling that my fae will be my favorite alt - for the swashy portion, and for the EoF portion (love that).</P> <P>Very glad I chose swash for my fae...</P> <P> </P>

[AratornCalahn]

Most balanced? eh? Swashys are the best scout in game right now... easily one of the top 3 classes in game. Im suprised more people dont roll them. When I ask people who box, what do they use for a tank, they say "Swashy" Why? Because its DPS, its super easy to play (easy to box), they tank AND they are good in all positions in the game (solo/group/raid/duo/trio/mini raid/mentoring/harvesting/quests etc etc etc). I think ill roll one actualy, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] they are good. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[liveja]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AratornCalahn wrote: Swashys are the best scout in game right now... easily one of the top 3 classes in game. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>"One of"????</P> <P>No. We Swashies ARE the top class in this game.</P> <P>I can't even bring myself to play my Conjuror any more. He's just nowhere near as much fun as my Swashie.<BR></P>

[Quilia]

Started as a guardian but guild had to many tanks and needed some good scouts so I decided to level the swash. At first I was ug why me but as the levels progressed I grew fond of the class and would never go back. Swash > all. Now shh before the nerf bat is pointed our way first brigs so we might be next<span>:robotmad:</span><div></div>

[cyclonus11]

I just can't get into any other classes. Swashies are teh pwn. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[SladeSwash]

You guys trying to speed up getting nerfed? Just stayin' I think we're perfect the way we are, and not overpowered. I hate bumping this, but it has to be said, stop making these useless threads. This wasn't intended for OP, more the people who commented on how incredibly awesome they *think* they are. -Symbolic <div></div>

[SladeSwash]

Oh yeah...one more thing.  If you didn't play a swashbuckler pre lu-13 then you have no idea how overdue this was <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Jeffmaster]

<P>brigands were sooooo awesome....3 weeks ago...........</P> <P>watchout!!!</P>

[Oxie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thavek wrote:<BR>I've played a lot of different classes and so far my highest level char is my 33 swashie.  he's a lot of fun.  <BR><BR>Tracking  <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR>DPS Single target <SPAN>:smileywink:<BR>DPS AOE <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR></SPAN>Debuffs <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR>Mez <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR>Aggro Redux <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR>Swashbuckler Style <SPAN>:smileywink:<BR><BR>What is there not to like in a swashie?<BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You forgot evac!!! </P> <P>I <3 my evac for getting around a bit faster through various zones and when ya end up facing down something that is a little bit tougher than what ya thought.<BR></P>

[cyclonus11]

The class is fun, not overpowered. I doubt they'd nerf a class for being fun...<div></div>

[SladeSwash]

If enough people believe somethign to be true, it blurs the line between speculation and reality. I dont' want dev's getting the wrong idea, because other classes are complaining and we're celebrating how much fun we are to play. <div></div>

[Dakkon_10]

<DIV>If we're so overpowered how come I can't solo what Brawlers, Sorcs, and Summoners can? How come I'm still not as needed on a raid as a Brigand?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This class isn't overpowered, it's FUN. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You know... fun... it's what we play games to have... :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Illyakuran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dakkon_1007 wrote:<BR> <DIV>If we're so overpowered how come I can't solo what Brawlers, Sorcs, and Summoners can? How come I'm still not as needed on a raid as a Brigand?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This class isn't overpowered, it's FUN. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You know... fun... it's what we play games to have... :smileyindifferent:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You forgot enchanters and furies.</P> <P> </P>

[Neumann]

<DIV>Delete this thread before we get nerfed, No one else post here...u saw what happened to brigs, and no im not joking</DIV>

[Dakkon_10]

<DIV>Paranoid much? :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand's AR got nerfed because SoE doesn't know how to make raid encounters more interesting/challenging without adding more AoEs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please tell me how swashbucklers are overpowered. I'd really like to know...</DIV>

[Nezumigami]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dakkon_1007 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Paranoid much? :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand's AR got nerfed because SoE doesn't know how to make raid encounters more interesting/challenging without adding more AoEs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please tell me how swashbucklers are overpowered. I'd really like to know...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>With the increasing number of Pimento Sammich raid mobs in EoF I think we can expect a nerfing of some sort soon. I mean I'm duoing X4 Pimento and Rye 72 mobs in The Shady Cafe with another swashie easy and easy parsing over 20k pps each and picked up more than a few fabled olive drops.

[Dakkon_10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nezumigami wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dakkon_1007 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Paranoid much? :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand's AR got nerfed because SoE doesn't know how to make raid encounters more interesting/challenging without adding more AoEs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please tell me how swashbucklers are overpowered. I'd really like to know...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>With the increasing number of Pimento Sammich raid mobs in EoF I think we can expect a nerfing of some sort soon. I mean I'm duoing X4 Pimento and Rye 72 mobs in The Shady Cafe with another swashie easy and easy parsing over 20k pps each and picked up more than a few fabled olive drops.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>OMG! I hope the brigands don't hear about this, they've always been jealous of our Pimento Sandwiches!<BR>

[RingleToo]

My worry is that if people find out what a fun class we are more people in my guild will want to become Swashies which means I'll get fewer Masters :smileytongue:

[AratornCalahn]

<blockquote><hr>Dakkon_1007 wrote:<div>Paranoid much? :smileyindifferent:</div> <div> </div> <div>Brigand's AR got nerfed because SoE doesn't know how to make raid encounters more interesting/challenging without adding more AoEs.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please tell me how swashbucklers are overpowered. I'd really like to know...</div><hr></blockquote>Totaly right, swashys arnt overpowered. They are just REALLY fun class to play because they are right where they should be. They can do nearly everything very well and that gives you this free and powerful feeling, and that means fun. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Just cos illus can solo almost anything in the game and the necros can outdamage T1 DPS, brawlers can FD a dungeon - who cares? They have to pay a lot for that - illus take time, necros take looking like a stupid numpty with your silly hat and any other pet than nightshade M1. Fun in this game dosnt have to equal soloing red named mobs for uber loot. It means playing all aspects of the game well for most people, and THAT is where the swashy is king.<div></div>

[khurath]

<P>I play a Swashy from a time now.<BR>I'm level 57 and I got here mostly soloing.<BR>The few times I grouped I didn't take any parse, so I was quite shocked when I grouped yesterday and parsed the results, and guess what? The tank (Guardian) was doing dps almost on par with me.</P> <P>I don't have uber gear, but all cobalt nonetheless, and my CA's are all adept1.</P> <P>Add to this that AoE are often dangerous and so when grouped I rarely use them.</P> <P>Overall I like to play my swashy, but that's because I like to be a Jack of all trades, doing a little bit of everything albeit none perfectly.</P> <P>And here is the point where all people exaggerate: it's true we can play good, but it's absolutely true that for every aspect of the game there is some other class which is better.</P> <P>Soloing? Cpnjurors and Necros do it better<BR>dps? Assassins. rangers and wizards<BR>Tanking? I know that we can tank, but please don't compare us to fighters</P> <P>And to conclude, my first toon was a zerker; I had to roll another because I ended up always grouping with a higher tank, but up to that point, ... man! ... I LOVED my Zerker!</P>

[Shiverr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nezumigami wrote:<BR> <BR>With the increasing number of Pimento Sammich raid mobs in EoF I think we can expect a nerfing of some sort soon. I mean I'm duoing X4 Pimento and Rye 72 mobs in The Shady Cafe with another swashie easy and easy parsing over 20k pps each and picked up more than a few fabled olive drops.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well, add to that an <EM>imbued</EM> "poofy shirt" and you have one seriously overpowered fotm class.  Fo sho.</P> <P> </P>

[Jvaloth]

<P>I bet you do enjoy it,  best dps class in the game now.</P> <P>Swashy can do it all and do it better than any other scout.</P> <P>Single target, AE groups, and AA's that actually enhanced the abilities that are already over powered.</P> <P> </P> <P>Something tells me a dev had a hard on for his own swashy in a raid guild and decided ehhh what the heck, lets give Swashies everything they want and more!!</P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Jvaloth on <span class=date_text>12-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:40 PM</span>

[Shagg]

<div></div><div>Forget I posted edited to delete my previous comment. I'm so tired of people crying out unfair balance rather than trying to improve themselves.</div><p>Message Edited by Shaggis on <span class=date_text>12-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:54 PM</span>

[Dakkon_10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jvaloth wrote:<BR> <P>I bet you do enjoy it,  best dps class in the game now.</P> <P>Swashy can do it all and do it better than any other scout.</P> <P>Single target, AE groups, and AA's that actually enhanced the abilities that are already over powered.</P> <P>Something tells me a dev had a hard on for his own swashy in a raid guild and decided ehhh what the heck, lets give Swashies everything they want and more!!</P> <P>Message Edited by Jvaloth on <SPAN class=date_text>12-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you play an Assassin, Conjuror, Necro, Wizard, Warlock, or Ranger and a Swashbuckler is out-dps'ing you then you need to learn how to play your class...</P> <P>We are not the best dps class. Nothing has changed since EoF came out besides we get a faster recast on Inspiration.</P>

[Jvaloth]

<P>Lets turn that around.</P> <P>If you aren't outparsing the classes you mentioned, you sir, need to learn your class.</P> <P>Swashys in my guild dont parse less than 1400 on any fight.    They average 1600-2500 EVERY fight,  single target or group targets.</P> <P> </P>

[Illyakuran]

<DIV>What are the names of the swasbucklers in your guild because I want to check out their gear and AA's so I can see what I'm doing wrong because the rangers and conjurers keep out dpsing me in zone wide parses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dakkon_10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jvaloth wrote:<BR> <P>Lets turn that around.</P> <P>If you aren't outparsing the classes you mentioned, you sir, need to learn your class.</P> <P>Swashys in my guild dont parse less than 1400 on any fight.    They average 1600-2500 EVERY fight,  single target or group targets.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I know what a swash can parse... I<EM> am</EM> out parsing many of the classes I mentioned. But I've grouped with other classes who have matched or beat my dps, which proves that the others just don't know how to play.</P> <P>If your swashes are doing 1600-2500 dps every fight, then your assassins should be doing 200-400 more than them. Otherwise you have some gimped assassins...</P>

[Jvaloth]

<DIV>Sure, the assassin MIGHT out parse a  swashy once every 7 minutes when Decapitate and both haste and dps short buffs (also on super long 5 minute timers) are up.  Whats sad about assassin  short buffs is not only are they on 5 minute recasts , but they take like 5 seconds to cast.  Trying to use them back to back during a fight will cost you a ton of dps.   Using them just prior to a pull or on inc you still lose seconds worth of dps on the front end since they only last 30 or so seconds and you've just wasted 5-6 pre-casting them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trust me, theres a reason why all the people above are asking to close this thread and to stop talkign about swashys, because they  dont wan't to get nerfed...  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been playing the game since day 1 and I've seen the ebb and flow of classes that get boosted and nerfed etc etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Right now Swashy is the top DPS in the game and if you look around Fae land I've never seen so many Swashbucklers and Furies.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Flavors of the month.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Jvaloth on <span class=date_text>12-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:41 AM</span>

[Dakkon_10]

<DIV>The only thing that's changed for us since EoF is a reduced recast on Inspiration. We can still only use it once every two fights if the raid is going fast enough. Before EoF, I could use it once every three fights... big difference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are probably in a bad group setup. I bet the swashbucklers are getting all the dps buffs and you're getting zilch. Group setup makes the biggest difference in swash dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, Fae are a good only race, so of course there are going to be alot of new swashbucklers. Just wait till they come out with a new evil race, then watch the Assassins/brigands/bruisers roll in...</DIV>

[Neumann]

<P>I play on pvp...on pvp servers, theres not a class in the game i have less than 90% win chance except assissins with new 7 sec jugular (thats pvp duration) + freezing strike (root).  In that case, I use my tsunami belt if Im not dead b4 stifle breaks and stack it with my engarde.  Only way to beat good ones w/o miracles now.  Anyways tho, If swash gets nerfed pve big freakin deal....200 less dps with a big [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nerf.  Swashies get nerfed pvp....our burst dps which is 3-5k then consistent 900 goes to 2-4k consistent 700.  This hurts fighting Tank, Templars, inquisiters and wardens.  Also Furies with new root line can keep us away to heal thru our burst dps and waste our inspiration (not finesse...but inspiration = Best single timer in the game...better than decap imo, jugular might be better pvp wise). </P> <P>Like I was saying, no need to go tootin our own horn, I'd rather let this thread die cause people alrdy know what we can do, I'd like to keep the noise down</P>

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dakkon_1007 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Paranoid much? :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand's AR got nerfed because SoE doesn't know how to make raid encounters more interesting/challenging without adding more AoEs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please tell me how swashbucklers are overpowered. I'd really like to know...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You don't actually need to be overpowered to get nerfed. You just need enough people calling you overpowered and a consensus if formed rightly or wrongly that you're overpowered.... then it's simply a matter of time before a dev gets nerf happy.</P> <P>Sucks, but it's the way it goes.</P> <P>It's doubly sad when a class being good at what it does is grounds for the label "overpowered", because that's all we're looking at with a Swashbuckler. A class that does what it does well.</P>

[Cocytus]

<DIV>I actually don't think we're overpowered at all - we just have potential. Many classes have a TON of potential, but players simply cannot realize it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you realize a swashbuckler's potential, you can do a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]load of damage and outparse alot of people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But...Before I recently bought masters, I was out dpsed regularly by an assassin with TERRIBLE gear, mostly legendary and treasured....Why? Because he knew his class. This was back when I had adept 1's. My average parse was 1100-1300, with an occassional spike up to 1500. He parsed 1500-1600 consistantly. With his horrible gear. He KNEW his class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now that I've bought my masters and such, and I am very well geared (compared to some others, but I have a ways to go), I parse 1300-1500, consistantly, and a spike up to 1900 is very common. In labs last night, I parsed 1950ish for about 5 fights in a row, and that was just with 2 mob groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers who know what they're doing have also been known to out-parse me. I think it comes down to skill with your class. Swashbuckler's aren't intended to be top dps, but a swash who knows his class REALLY well can outparse anybody who doesn't know their class as well as he does. Generally I'm only out parsed by people who know their class as well as I know my swashbuckler.</DIV>

[Dakkon_10]

Well put, Leithe.

[Jvaloth]

<P>See Leithe,</P> <P>That argument does not hold water.</P> <P>I know how to play my assassin.   </P> <P>I was top parser in my guild.  </P> <P>Now that EoF has arrived I am #3 behind several swashies.</P> <P>Even a swashy that was regularly parsing 400 below me is out parsing me now.</P> <P>Swashys have made a huge DPS increase almost over night.</P> <P>Other than EoF's arrival, nothing else has changed.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Jvaloth on <SPAN class=date_text>12-03-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:05 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Jvaloth on <span class=date_text>12-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:07 PM</span>

[Cocytus]

<P>Maybe the swashbucklers know how to play their class more than you know yours <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Not saying you don't know yours, just that they're more familiar with theirs than you are with yours.</P> <P>The top ranger in my alliance would outparse me by about 200-300 if most of his spells weren't adept I. As a result, I usually beat him by 200-300.</P> <P>The top assassin would outparse me by about 100ish if he had better gear.</P>

[Neumann]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote:<BR> <P>Maybe the swashbucklers know how to play their class more than you know yours <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Not saying you don't know yours, just that they're more familiar with theirs than you are with yours.</P> <P>The top ranger in my alliance would outparse me by about 200-300 if most of his spells weren't adept I. As a result, I usually beat him by 200-300.</P> <P>The top assassin would outparse me by about 100ish if he had better gear.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>rofl....blue servers actually use adept 1's?...nubs

[Jvaloth]

<P>Lol,</P> <P> </P> <P>Read what I'm typing Leithe.</P> <P> </P> <P>I was parsing #1 now I'm parsing #3 OVER NIGHT.</P> <P> </P> <P>Did I suddenly forget how to play my class and 2 swashys suddenly figured out how to play their classes?  NO.</P> <P> </P> <P>EOF came, Swashy AA's came, and now swashys are the #1 DPS in the game in any situation.</P> <P> </P> <P>Anyway,  I'm done trolling here, just a bit miffed that you guys got a massive boost at the expense of a less versatile class such as the Assassin when Swashy are supposed to be Tier 2 dps.</P> <P> </P>

[Cocytus]

<DIV>Actually, none of our AA's increase our DPS. Most of them aren't that great except for Reach and the inspiration focus. Neither of them increase damage on anything. Reach increases range at which you can attack from, inspiration lowers the inspiration reuse timer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>edit - Correction. Hurricane focus gives a higher chance to hit multiple mobs. However.. it's only 5%. It's not an ENORMOUS difference. A difference, sure, but not a HUGE one.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cocytus on <span class=date_text>12-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:29 PM</span>

[Luk]

can anyone say Adorments?<div></div>

[Shagg]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jvaloth wrote:<div></div> <p>Lol,</p> <p>Read what I'm typing Leithe.</p> <p>I was parsing #1 now I'm parsing #3 OVER NIGHT.</p> <p>Did I suddenly forget how to play my class and 2 swashys suddenly figured out how to play their classes?  NO.</p> <p>EOF came, Swashy AA's came, and now swashys are the #1 DPS in the game in any situation.</p> <p>Anyway,  I'm done trolling here, just a bit miffed that you guys got a massive boost at the expense of a less versatile class such as the Assassin when Swashy are supposed to be Tier 2 dps.</p> <hr></blockquote>I bet that the big difference is based on the fact that they were ready for the cap to be raised and had a lot more STR. If you can't adapt, you fail. Its not your class, I watched other assassins adapt to the change and get back on top.How did those swashy's get all those EOF AA's overnight? Wow they are good, must be the class... </div>

[TiaraJew]

Lol shaggis <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>Seriously, this thread is all about loving swashiness... don't come in here crying nerf because your parsed [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] went limp on you.  It's one reason I hate parses, nearly as much as I did in WoW--though they're more necessary here as a gauge of *ahem* how well one is playing a dps class, where in that game it's purely for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] satisfaction--people get all bent out of shape when they play what they consider a dps class and can't hit the top 1 or 2 with ease over people who play their [Removed for Content] off getting to the top of their game.  Imagine if people were concerned with having fun instead of maximizing their dps or finding out who does a better job of maximizing dps than them.  *gasp*.Swashies are <i>fun, </i>plain and simple.  I've only got a little one, and she dies an awful lot (like my old assy who couldn't solo her way through a blue-waterlogged-con cardboard box), but she's neat and fun, and considering my assy was freakin sweet at her level when I played her in groups, my swashy will be too if I get her there.<div></div>

[Drevva]

I love when someone gets out parsed then of course it is the other class that is uber.As others have said, the only major dps boost we got with AAs is inspiration on a shorter recast, this does add to my dps,we don't pull super fast in raids so I  may have this up everyother fight depending on how fast we are pulling.Course then there is the zone,  I was out parsed by a conj pet in lyceum it was doing 1500+ some fights, but then that zone is there pleasure palace. There is the AA for huricanne but I hardly doubt 5 % higher chance to proc is overpowering.the 5% more chance to proc poison?  ooh scary uber *smirk* course I think all poison using scouts got this.Now if you took some time to actually look out our AAs, you we see the majority of them help our debuffing which I am all for! though I'm just not clear how debuffing more wisdom, or debuffing dps is going to up our dps and make us Godlike.,Another chunk of AAs increase our range, and a I believe one others reduce another recast with still another adding  a bit to a duration of a temp buff..What are these magical AAs that have added so much to our dps if you would be so kind to tell me?I did find last week I was doing more dmg than ever, but for the first time I had a dirge and inquisitor giving me buffs, OMG nerf Dirges and Inquis they are behind the swashie power!D

[SladeSwash]

I guess its about time I replied again.Did swashy's get coule for their AA line?  what are your weapon skills at compared to theirs.Notice anything else about your hit rate %?  I think you can piece it together.Over any single fight, nothing changed as far as DPS.Theres ALOT of reasons for what might have happened.  Not one of them has to do w/ the new AA lines.  It might have to do w/ EoF though.Whats your STR compared to theirs? whats group makeup? Whats the % to hit compared to yours? I know mine is higher than our assassins.<div></div>

[TheSnoo]

I  must admit, I love my swashie. I even try to RP when I can. SOE definitely got the Swahbuckler class right so far (still a few minor bugs post-EOF to work out but I digress). This class is <STRONG><EM>fun</EM></STRONG>.

[Moonlance]

Swash's are good, unfortunately we have crappy range dps.  What comes with massive melee dps is serious vulnerability.  If we don't have a tank to dump aggro to we are gimped.  If we can't melee, we are gimped.  When it comes to raiding, a swash is great for mowing through trash, but when it comes to taking down various named mobs we can really make a healer work overtime.   Raiding, swash's shine in the MT group.  We do alot of AE damage that we can transfer (keep in mind AE) to the main tank.<div></div>

[liveja]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonlance wrote: Swash's are good, unfortunately we have crappy range dps.  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's because we're not a ranged DPS class.</P> <P>A week or so ago, I was grouped with an Assassin, up in SoS, that was 5 levels above me. He & I were running neck-&-neck as far as DPS went; some fights I out-DPS'd him, other times he out-DPS'd me. I don't know what the difference was between our equipments, because I didn't bother looking or asking. I did, however, get the impression he wasn't being as "active" as I was.</P> <P>There are MANY times when I FEEL overpowered. But feeling is a ways from being, & I know full-well that I'm not all that & a bag o' chips.<BR></P>

[Syrano]

*grabs cane and shambles into the room*Listen ye young whipper snappers.  I've said this time and again. Very few seem to see the light.  DPS for swashies is an ancillary benefit.  Our primary role, our single purpose, is debuffing the mobs offensive capabilities.  Our real job is to reduce the DPS the mobs do.  Our seconday job is to do a truckload of DPS.Arguably, we are a tier 2 DPS class, not tier 1.  Swashies posting top DPS on raids are either exceedingly well equipped, or raiding with Tier 1 classes that aren't doing enough.  We can do tier 1 dps at times which rocks, and a well equipped swashy with great poisons, high strength, buffed to holy hell with a great weapon using inspiration is truly a sight to behold.   But our primary goal is debuffing.  Everyone seems to forget that.  A swashy doing their job on a raid is a swashy that is ensuring that the raid targets are doing half their normal damage output and can't hit the tank.<div></div>

[Drevva]

Many of what others are saying are spot on.I've been a MT swashie on our raids for some time now.  The benefit of this is I don't worry about AoEs unless the healers are getting low on power.  This certainly helps my dps.  I'm also very dependent on buffs for high dps.  We had an inquis in the MT group for one of our raids this past weekend and it made a huge difference in my dps.  If I don't get buffs my dps is impacted quite abit, only makes sense as for my build auto attack dmg can be 40% (or more) of my total dps.  So in that sense our class may be the one most enhanced by dps /haste buffs.I can out parse our wizards for dps in some fights but they aren't in full proc gear and we have no support for wizzies on our raids <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  So the dps they do is all on their own.  While I will have some form of dps buff, hate transfer to the MT and safety from most AoEs.I too find on names my dps can be spotty,  AoEs with knockback (if I'm not jousting I now position my back against the wall to avoid having to run back).  Fear etc all impact me, (as they do all the melee classes).The other thing to keep in mind is the one AA that increases zone wide parses for  swashies came pretty early in the AA tree,  It came with 11pts (I think).  My guess is the assassin and other dps classes will continually get their dps improved as they put more and more points into AAs.  Their are only a few more AAs that will up dmg that i will be getting and none of them will provide huge gains, most the rest of our AAs are to improve our debuffs (which I think is great).D

[Goozman]

<DIV>I had planned on deleting my 50 ranger alt because of lack of use to make room for a fae, but I was stuck between Templar and Swashbuckler; I know... totally different classes. I've struggled with deleting the ranger, and I've struggled with what to replace it with for weeks now, but I think this thread made me want to make my fae to be a Swashbuckler... plus I already have 4 boxes of rare poisons I made last year for my ranger lolz.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks ya'll :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Ukraini]

You know, I am new to EQ2 (played it once before, just getting back into it) and just from reading this thread my mind has been made up on what class I am going to create. I'll give you a hint, it ends in 'washbuckler' <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Jvaloth]

<DIV>You think its fair that a class who gets 40% + of their DPS via auto attack damage and short buffs should blow away assassin DPS on a consistant basis?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No other class in game works harder for DPS than assassins with all the position and stealth requirements and you guys just mow crap down  (single or groups)  + get awesome debuffs..?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dakkon_10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jvaloth wrote:<BR> <DIV>You think its fair that a class who gets 40% + of their DPS via auto attack damage and short buffs should blow away assassin DPS on a consistant basis?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No other class in game works harder for DPS than assassins with all the position and stealth requirements and you guys just mow crap down  (single or groups)  + get awesome debuffs..?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Riiiigght... I'm assuming you are the best assassin worldwide? No other assassin can do more dps than you? So if any other class happens to out dps you they are overpowered and should be nerfed...   /sarcasm   </P> <P>Just because you play the highest melee dps class in the game it doesn't guarantee you the highest dps in the game. I don't see any other assassins complaining. Ever think the problem could be you? Naaww, you're right, it has to be us... /rolleyes</P> <P>It's been said again and again; Swashbucklers did not get anything new with EoF that would justify the increase in dps you are speaking of, so how are we overpowered now compared to pre EoF?</P>

[Vinata]

Well, Alistair got his CoF, and I'm still trying to get a stupid page 9 to drop ... so clearly <i>he</i> is overpowered.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Jvaloth]

<P>Ya, the problem is me.</P> <P>I've got 2 sets of fabled everything, ALL Master 1 spells,  I was consistantly parsing #1  and  2 days after EOF came out  3 swashies in my guild ALL leapfrogged me and are doing insane amounts of DPS on EVERY fight.</P> <P>No new gear, same group configurations, nothing new AT ALL except for EoF.</P> <P>You can keep saying its me, that I somehow forgot how to play the game but the parsers don't lie.   When I'm going all out on every fight and am able to parse #1  only 3-4 in a night behind 3 swashies...  thats not jsut coincidence.  As much as you want to debunk it, you guys got a major boost.  I've asked pretty much every swashy on my server thats 70 in a real guild and they're all laughing about it and agreeing that they get beefed up.   Most think a nerf is imminent.  I'll reiterate, I don't want you guys to get nerfed, I want assassins to get some AA love.   But reading these threads and you guys chit chatting about how you guys arent "overpowered" and telling eachother to close the thread so ya don't get nerfed rubs me the wrong way.   Right now we've got 3 swashies, each parsing 1800-2600 every fight.  They never dip below 1800.  Single target, AE targets,  it does not matter. </P> <P>You don't see any assassins complaining on swashy forums, but they are starting to wake up on the Assassin forums.   I think alot of them were trying to get more AA's figuring the problem would correct itself.  But since our AA's are horrible,  the problem isn't being fixed, they are noticing 6-7 other classes parsing higher, and are starting to get [Removed for Content] off.</P>

[Drevva]

This is all a moot point mr Assassin.Our inspiration AA has been signifcantly reduced on test so if after the changes go live if you are still being out dps'd  I'm not sure what to tell you.I would also point out that the AA inquestion reduced a 3 min recast to 1:45, so if you were being out dps'd on EVERY fight in a raid then, your raid pulls at a pretty slow pace, or b) you are still going to have problems.I will point out one other thing,  our dmg ability is heavily dependend on haste and dps buffs.  (regardless of the AA for inspiration).  What this means is that in a perfect group with lots of buffs we will do nice dmg, but you see dear mr Assassin, this isn't just our dps then, it is shared with the folks who have given the buff.  This simple fact is what dps parsers don't show,  If I'm doing 1000 dps in a group with no buffs and then jump to 1500+ with all sorts of nice buffs, the extra 500 dps DOESN"T REALLY BELONG SOLEY TO ME!.  I've seen this quite often the last few weeks, If I have lots of +dps buffs my rank on the parser climbs up, but so what?  its not like I'm doing anything different, the credit of that dps goes to those who are buffing me.  The nature of our dmg means we are benefit and suffer more depending on our buffage.D

[Cocytus]

<P>For the last [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing time the inspiration focus DOES NOT INCREASE OUR DPS. It decreases our RECAST TIMER. There is a BIG difference there. Why are so many people illiterate.</P> <P> </P> <P>Also - to the assassin...Sorry, bud. Skill with your class is a factor. If you're not as good at your class as a swashbuckler is at his, you're going to be out dpsed.</P> <P> </P> <P>The top assassin in my raid alliance is in primarily legendary gear (since we dont have many assassins), but he is fully adept III'd I think (unconfirmed). He can ALMOST match my DPS. I am in about half fabled/half legendary gear, myself. Now, if he had the same gear as me, I believe he would out dps me by 100ish. Why? Because he is amazing with his class.</P> <P> </P> <P>Don't [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and whine about other classes if you don't know yours as well as you think you do.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit - Oh. Our AA's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing suck, too, btw, except for Reach. That's the only great one. Sounds like you're guilded with mentally challenged (*growls at filter*) swashbucklers, imo.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Cocytus on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:54 PM</span>

[Illyakuran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jvaloth wrote:<BR> <P>Ya, the problem is me.</P> <P>I've got 2 sets of fabled everything, ALL Master 1 spells,  I was consistantly parsing #1  and  2 days after EOF came out  3 swashies in my guild ALL leapfrogged me and are doing insane amounts of DPS on EVERY fight.</P> <P>No new gear, same group configurations, nothing new AT ALL except for EoF.</P> <P>You can keep saying its me, that I somehow forgot how to play the game but the parsers don't lie.   When I'm going all out on every fight and am able to parse #1  only 3-4 in a night behind 3 swashies...  thats not jsut coincidence.  As much as you want to debunk it, you guys got a major boost.  I've asked pretty much every swashy on my server thats 70 in a real guild and they're all laughing about it and agreeing that they get beefed up.   Most think a nerf is imminent.  I'll reiterate, I don't want you guys to get nerfed, I want assassins to get some AA love.   But reading these threads and you guys chit chatting about how you guys arent "overpowered" and telling eachother to close the thread so ya don't get nerfed rubs me the wrong way.   Right now we've got 3 swashies, each parsing 1800-2600 every fight.  They never dip below 1800.  Single target, AE targets,  it does not matter. </P> <P>You don't see any assassins complaining on swashy forums, but they are starting to wake up on the Assassin forums.   I think alot of them were trying to get more AA's figuring the problem would correct itself.  But since our AA's are horrible,  the problem isn't being fixed, they are noticing 6-7 other classes parsing higher, and are starting to get [Removed for Content] off.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As I asked before, what are the names of the swashbucklers in your guild? I'm interested in talking to them. In looking at your past posts you were recruiting for the guild Random Evac on the Unrest server but since there is only one active level 70 swashbuckler in the guild and not 3 I'm assuming you have moved onto a different guild.<BR></P>

[Drevva]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cocytus wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <p>For the last [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing time the inspiration focus DOES NOT INCREASE OUR DPS. It decreases our RECAST TIMER. There is a BIG difference there. Why are so many people illiterate.</p><p>Message Edited by Cocytus on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:54 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yes the AA decrease our recast of inspiration,  and the net effect of this is an increase to zone-wide dps.  I mean if didn't ultimately increase our dps , why would we care about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  So I understand you are wanting to be clear on what the AA does, But it in fact does increase our overall dps (per zone) as we could fire it off almost twice as much.  So pretending it doesn't impact our dps (zone wide, over time whatever you want to call it ), is just as silly</div>

[Kriki]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jvaloth wrote:<div></div> <p>*snip*</p> <p>I've got 2 sets of fabled everything, ALL Master 1 spells,  I was consistantly parsing #1  and  2 days after EOF came out  3 swashies in my guild ALL leapfrogged me and are doing insane amounts of DPS on EVERY fight.</p>*snip*<hr></blockquote>Now I am not a raid leader, and I no where near good at tactics - heck, I would barely be able to set up raid groups if I were asked...But, why is your guild running raids with 3 Swashies?  Some classes I can see tripling up on (bards and brigs come to mind) but seems like definite overkill to have 3 Swashies.As for dps, I show up in the top 8 or so on the parse - sometimes I parse at the top, sometimes not so much.  My dps is 100% dependent upon the group that I am in.  With a good dirge, coercer and/or inquisitor in the group easily top 5 every parse.  So be sure to look at your raid set up.  It may not be just the swashy's AA's - look at the group members - I know that the Dirge duration increase to CoB has done wonders to my dps, also, with many classes getting some sort of AOE immunity AA, maybe they aren't having to joust when you are.There are all sorts of things that are probably a factor in the place changes on your parse.Either way - I love my swashy and wouldn't betray back to Brig for anything! (Except maybe winning the lottery)KrikiEverfrostParagon</div>

[Luk]

<div></div><div></div>I was very disappointed with DPS last night, did a labs raid, I did 1500 DPS on Lord Vyemm, that brought me in 8th on the parser, though I did pull aggro and had to stop attacking to get the mob off me.All in all, the major difference you are seeing is the raising of the haste cap, previously a Swashy would sit at 100% pretty much all the time cause a haste item and self buff would put us at 89%, one small group buff and we were at 100%, now that haste can go to 200% we are probably the best class to take advantage of that, I spent most of last night at 160%+ haste, add to that DPS buffs and it means I hit hard very often. Some of the changes have had a boost effect on our DPS, pre EoF I could not break 2k DPS on a single raid fight, now I can hit 2.5k, but I can't do that every fight, my burst haste and DPS buffs are on a 5 minute timer, Inspiration is still not an every fight skill unless the tank is pulling slowly. I'm sorry you are not DPSing at number 1 anymore, but maybe you should look at it as a challenge, rather than screaming that you are being beaten. I know that I benchmark myself on an assassin, when I beat him, I am really happy with myself, when I don't, I look at it as I need to try harder next time.**CORRECTION**1500 DPS and 8th was on Alzid Prime(00:57) 1287890 | 22594.56Wizard 135477 | 2376.79Assassin 107110 | 1879.12Wizard 96486 | 1692.74Warlock 95151 | 1669.32Ranger 93511 | 1640.54Necromancer 91420 | 1603.86Berzerker 86822 | 1523.19<b>Lukia 85973 | 1508.30</b>Brigand 74027 | 1298.72Necromancer 55101 | 966.68Shadowknight 53540 | 939.30Dirge 46181 | 810.19Guardian (MT) 45631 | 800.54thats the top 1/2 of the raid, as you can see, I did alot of DPS, but still got my backside handed to me by alot of other classes.My advise to you, get out there and work with the changes, stop crying about what was, and get back on top.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Licit on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 AM</span>

[Drevva]

<div><blockquote><hr>Licit wrote: I spent most of last night at 160%+ haste, add to that DPS buffs and it means I hit hard very often.<hr></blockquote>I wants to be in your raid group! I'm positively giddy if I get up to say 50% dps and any haste buff!D</div>

[Cocytus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drevva wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cocytus wrote:<BR> <P>For the last [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing time the inspiration focus DOES NOT INCREASE OUR DPS. It decreases our RECAST TIMER. There is a BIG difference there. Why are so many people illiterate.</P><BR> <P>Message Edited by Cocytus on <SPAN class=date_text>12-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:54 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes the AA decrease our recast of inspiration,  and the net effect of this is an increase to zone-wide dps.  I mean if didn't ultimately increase our dps , why would we care about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  So I understand you are wanting to be clear on what the AA does, But it in fact does increase our overall dps (per zone) as we could fire it off almost twice as much.  So pretending it doesn't impact our dps (zone wide, over time whatever you want to call it ), is just as silly<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ah. My apologies. That honestly slipped my mind. I take parses fight-by-fight, myself. I haven't really gotten into zone-wide parses because my raid alliance takes AFKs - so I never really care about them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Marar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drevva wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Licit wrote:<BR><BR><BR> I spent most of last night at 160%+ haste, add to that DPS buffs and it means I hit hard very often.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I wants to be in your raid group!<BR><BR>I'm positively giddy if I get up to say 50% dps and any haste buff!<BR><BR>D<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Our Bravado buff stacks with itself. This alone will keep us above 200% haste easily in longer fights if we dont get aggro, regardless of other hastebuffs. (after EOF came out, before it was capped at 100%). Maybe this is where the somehow new damage is coming from.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Luk]

<div><blockquote><hr>Marar42 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Drevva wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Licit wrote: I spent most of last night at 160%+ haste, add to that DPS buffs and it means I hit hard very often. <hr> </blockquote>I wants to be in your raid group!I'm positively giddy if I get up to say 50% dps and any haste buff!D</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Our Bravado buff stacks with itself. This alone will keep us above 200% haste easily in longer fights if we dont get aggro, regardless of other hastebuffs. (after EOF came out, before it was capped at 100%). Maybe this is where the somehow new damage is coming from.</p> <hr></blockquote>actually, Bravado says it stacks with itself, but it only resets the timer if it procs again, we have basically given up on having it work as described.</div>

[Marar]

<P>hmm then i am wondering, how do i get over 200% haste playing in a group of only 2 (my wife 59 monk and me 57 swash) ? Is it my UI (fetish nightfall) showing me wrong numbers ? I have 15% haste from my belt and about 14% from monk grp buff (i think), so my normal haste is only 29% ?!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Luk]

I'm yet to hit 200%, my bravado procs for 69%, 2 procs would put me at 138% plus 23% from item and another 80% odd from dirge CoB and zerka proc buff.<div></div>

[Rokjin]

<DIV>I've hit 240+ Haste score.. it caps out at 125% actual haste anyways. I think I had like 3 Bravado procs going, plus a 23 haste item, berserk from a Berseker and a Troubadour haste buff..</DIV>

[Kroms]

This class owns so much. Probably one of the top in all the MMORPGS I have played. I duo with a paladin frequently. Cripes talk about stabby stabby of fricken doomnium.<div></div>