Light-tanks

[Wildfury77]

Channel 60-69 summary:Shadowscream: Den group forming 62 Warlock, 65 Guard, 70 swashie seeking healer + MT!!Reply - 69 bruiser, will a leather tank be ok? multiple replies "no you'll get killed,etc"I persuade him to join - We reach Den - bruiser decides he can't do it..........So I say "i'll tank - you put your avoidance buff on me, besides i have 1000 more mitigation 65% avoid & more hitpoint + have 2 taunts....."Now the whole group is sceptical, 40mins later Den is cleared, - no wipes, lost agro once but was able to pull it back. Bruiser tells 60-69 - and no one believes him.........(sighs)<div></div>

[Ghartan]

I've tanked a lot for groups of guildies when a normal tank isnt online.Got in the habit back in DoF expansion when I would be the tank for Shimmering Citadel ... then tanked a lot in Sanctum, the Den as you mention, etc.<div></div>

[Sanamien]

I'm more amazed that a 69 bruiser couldn't tank den. I know he's a plate tank, but we had a medium geared 65 guard tank it yesterday.Been leveling my swashy and have a few times had to switch stance and take off avoid censure when the MT went down. Worked pretty well, healers were able to keep me up without much trouble on a 68 group of 2*^^ and a ^^^, with me at 65.So yes, swashies can easily tank for a regular group and can do it really well if they are STA-aa-specced.<div></div>

[Drevva]

There is no reason that a  monk/bruiser type can't tank the den.  I've done it with a monk MT  lvl 69 several times, the first time we only had one healer lvl 61-62.  Absolutely no problems.   I would much rather have a braweler tank instances than myself,  yes we can tank in a pinch which provides great flexibility but not something I ever look to do if any lvl/gear appropriate Tank class is present. Drevva

[Kainsei]

<div><blockquote><hr>Drevva wrote: There is no reason that a  monk/bruiser type can't tank the den.  I've done it with a monk MT  lvl 69 several times, the first time we only had one healer lvl 61-62.  Absolutely no problems.   I would much rather have a braweler tank instances than myself,  yes we can tank in a pinch which provides great flexibility but not something I ever look to do if any lvl/gear appropriate Tank class is present.<hr></blockquote>/agreeI admit rogue have way more mitigation than us, but I can't see how a swash can have more hp than a brawler.I've tanked den at 67, everyone else in the group were 62-64. I know rogues can tank, it's not the best example but I've been tanking 5 of the armor quests with my lvl 25 brigand, and it went very well.But honestly I would rather have you debuffing and dpsing, than me dpsing and grabbing aggro everytime <span>:smileysad:</span>.That's too bad this bruiser was hesitating, I've tanked every instance in kos with my monk, except hof, the final named gave me a beating <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>.Anyways, grats on the tanking. <span>:smileywink:</span></div>

[Wildfury77]

The 69 bruiser was going all out DPS - without taunting and didn't pull agro off me btw. (The warlock did once)All master attack skills would put my DPS MUCH higher than his even with me in defensive stance. A swashie with hate transfer and evade proc off......spamming AoEs, taunts, master En garde/inspiration/perfect finesse is going to hold agro...trust me on that one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Agro holding isn't a problem for us, we have several CAs and potions that massively push down agro AND yet still can't go all out in a x4 tier 7 raid........If we turn them all off.......heheA similarly equipped Bruiser (armor/jewelry and masters) is OBVIOUSLY better than a swashietank. But not uncommonly on a pickup group ---> a well equipped swashie is going to be the sensible choice as MT. Examine your groupmates/look at the class mix and make a sensible decison.  ----> Its so stupid to say that the fighter should <font color="#ff0000"><u><i>always </i></u></font>tank and scout always dps!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wildfury77 wrote:<BR>Channel 60-69 summary:<BR>Shadowscream: Den group forming 62 Warlock, 65 Guard, 70 swashie seeking healer + MT!!<BR><BR>Reply - 69 bruiser, will a leather tank be ok? multiple replies "no you'll get killed,etc"<BR>I persuade him to join - We reach Den - bruiser decides he can't do it..........<BR>So I say "i'll tank - you put your avoidance buff on me, besides i have 1000 more mitigation 65% avoid & more hitpoint + have 2 taunts....."<BR>Now the whole group is sceptical, 40mins later Den is cleared, - no wipes, lost agro once but was able to pull it back. <BR>Bruiser tells 60-69 - and no one believes him.........(sighs)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Crappy Bruiser .. enuf said</P> <P>Den I can tank a a trio with swashie and warden so why a 69 brusier cant do it is beyond me and as for not pulling aggro i doubt the brusier was going all out cos he would peel aggro like nobodys buisness .. Rumble (Hate Proc) on every hit tears mobs off people.</P> <P>pfft slacker gimme his name and ill teach him to play his class properly ..</P>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kainsei wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drevva wrote:<BR><BR>There is no reason that a  monk/bruiser type can't tank the den.  I've done it with a monk MT  lvl 69 several times, the first time we only had one healer lvl 61-62.  Absolutely no problems.   I would much rather have a braweler tank instances than myself,  yes we can tank in a pinch which provides great flexibility but not something I ever look to do if any lvl/gear appropriate Tank class is present.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>/agree<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffffff>I admit rogue have way more mitigation than us, but I can't see how a swash can have more hp than a brawler.</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>/Your spot on theres no way a swashie would have more hp than a bruiser</FONT></P> <DIV><BR>I've tanked den at 67, everyone else in the group were 62-64. <BR>I know rogues can tank, it's not the best example but I've been tanking 5 of the armor quests with my lvl 25 brigand, and it went very well.<BR>But honestly I would rather have you debuffing and dpsing, than me dpsing and grabbing aggro everytime <SPAN>:smileysad:</SPAN>.<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>/someone whos knows his class , congrats :smileywink: wish i could group with you !</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>That's too bad this bruiser was hesitating, I've tanked every instance in kos with my monk, except hof, the final named gave me a beating <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>/Cleared HoF with my brusier , most important thing in HoF is a good healer one who clears trauma before debilitate kicks in ! tanking in there is easy with a good healer tbh and moreso now they nurfed it , saying that out brigand tanked HoF just fine</FONT> <BR><BR>Anyways, grats on the tanking. <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Wildfury77]

<font color="#ffff00"><u>I swear i had more hitpoints than him!</u></font> which was the oddest thing.....I'm a 70 swashie, maxed out stamina + hitpoint increase from AAs. Claymore/legendary/MoA equipmentHe was 69 bruiser...i'll try and remember his name or post it when i bump into him again <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Kainsei]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wildfury77 wrote:<font color="#ffff00"><u>I swear i had more hitpoints than him!</u></font> which was the oddest thing.....I'm a 70 swashie, maxed out stamina + hitpoint increase from AAs. Claymore/legendary/MoA equipmentHe was 69 bruiser...i'll try and remember his name or post it when i bump into him again <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Well...I feel sorry for this bruiser.I don't have any single piece of fabled gear, just a few master, everything else is adept3, and three or four others combat arts adept1 (spongies are'nt cheap on Storms) and I have 7k hp, self buffed, no potions, just food/drink and <u><b>unarmed</b></u> (7.4k hp with grizzlefazzle staff and other legendary weapons easy to get). <span>:smileysurprised:</span></div>

[Drevva]

No one is of course saying a swashie can't tank, and do it decently.  But with equally equipped chars and MORE importantly equally skilled characters I'm just not seeing how a swashie would be a better choice than a brawler. If I tank I'm giving up my back attacks (well most of them). I'm giving up a bit of dps.  A monk with my hate transfer, having tsunami for the named pulls,  be able to FD on bad pulls (though an int aa swashie may have that but not sure what the refresh is)  ?  An avoidance based tank against those nasty mititation debuffs? If I'm not mistaken Monks have a few things they can do when stunned (and perhaps to cure stun?).  Which helps against mister water blob in the den.   I know we had no problem with him with  a monk but with a plate tank things were more dicely. I just realized that the original post was with regards to a bruiser, I'm not as familiar with that class so maybe that makes more of a difference. I tanked the other day (not the den but another instance)  with a warlock, wizard, and warden for  a healer , it went okay, but I would have gladly turned over my tank role to a competent lleather wearing brawler type of about the same level.  Course maybe i"m biased because the monk in our guild is very good. I also want to point out that I don't want to tank as well as a monk/bruiser, that isnt' what I signed up for and last thing I want is devs to starting peering this way because of a few bad pickup groups. or unique scenario. Don't get me wrong, I love the flexibility of me swashie, I just dont' want to encrouch others turf with and get the bad consequences that always seems to bring with it. Drevva

[Luk]

<div><blockquote><hr>Drevva wrote:I'm just not seeing how a swashie would be a better choice than a brawler. <hr></blockquote>Its all to do with the STA AA line and that is the point in the OP, I was on that line for leveling and questing, (on a different spec now for raiding), and at lvl 70 I had nearly 3.5k mit, nearly 8k health and 65% avoid, I did alot of instances and dungeon zones with some guildies when we were short a tank and NEVER had a problem, healer buffed in my normal questing group I was 11K health, 4.1K mit and 72% avoid, with a reactive taunt (50% on getting hit), encounter taunt and single target taunt, only ever lost aggro when the warlock went all out AE. I'm sorry now that I never took a sceenie when I was on that line, would quieten alot of folks that have doubts.So showing you this, can a swashy be a better choice at tank than brawler? Hell yes, and its an ignorant player that thinks otherwise, same boat as those in t6 that said, Pally tank a raid......never!!</div>

[Kainsei]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Licit wrote:<div>Its all to do with the STA AA line and that is the point in the OP, I was on that line for leveling and questing, (on a different spec now for raiding), and at lvl 70 I had nearly 3.5k mit, nearly 8k health and 65% avoid, I did alot of instances and dungeon zones with some guildies when we were short a tank and NEVER had a problem, healer buffed in my normal questing group I was 11K health, 4.1K mit and 72% avoid, with a reactive taunt (50% on getting hit), encounter taunt and single target taunt, only ever lost aggro when the warlock went all out AE. I'm sorry now that I never took a sceenie when I was on that line, would quieten alot of folks that have doubts.So showing you this, can a swashy be a better choice at tank than brawler? Hell yes, and its an ignorant player that thinks otherwise, same boat as those in t6 that said, Pally tank a raid......never!!</div><hr></blockquote>Huh ? A dps specced brawler can't out'dps a rogue, and have only one debuff (bruiser one isn't bad, but our (monk) is crappy).So... you're basically saying that a tank-specced rogue can outtank a brawler ? <span>:smileysurprised:</span>A brawler with self heals, self cure, tsunami/close mind, outward calm/stone deaf, 360° avoidance, more stun/stifle/daze, more stances (offensive, hybrid, defensive), rescue, better taunts and better taunt procs ? And that's without any kind of AA.If there isn't any fighter available, <u>or the only fighter is poor geared</u>, yes, let the rogue tank.But I will never give up on (your) dps and debuffs, if my monk is in the group, just to let a rogue tank.That's just dumb, mobs will go down faster with the rogue dpsing and debuffing and the brawler doing his job (ie tanking).</div><p>Message Edited by Kainsei on <span class=date_text>07-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 AM</span>

[Luk]

Who ever said a Swashy had to stop DPSing to tank?<div></div>

[Jeffmaster]

<P>A brawler should be able to tank NP!</P> <P>There was a post on the Bruiser forum saying that they were tanks overall(I don't agree 100%)</P> <P>Of course a rogue can do the job..I tank with my Brig pretty often and do a very good job at it.</P>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>Thats the problem  *I would never let a rogue tank*, get over it!! If we are at 50AA, better equipped + full masters and your not....get real <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />A good swashtank can hit 7000hp 65% avoidance and 4000 mitigation and we hold agro!!  (2 taunts and hate proc) - we still do 90% of our DPS too. Of course a fighter who is also in fabled/claymore kit and has 50 AAs is going to be first choice! But my experience is that most pick-up tanks aren't UBER...heheSome purist swashie is bound to say what about your positional attacks?<font color="#ff0000">1) Brazenning then get 2 backstabs in to start. For MOBs that don't see through invis....if your fast you can do it on invis see through MOBS too......</font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">2)Cheapshot followed by Guile or Lung puncture....enough time even on ^^^</font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">3)Swathe + jump + backstab.....(looks cool too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">4)Mez and backstab</font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">5)Watch to see if group member KB/stun/mez.....and exploit <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>I reckon i get in 66%-70% of my positionals each fight when  i'm tank......<div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:04 AM</span>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div>Thats 7000 ungrouped....etc (10k+ easily achievable with right group)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:56 AM</span>

[Wildfury77]

Load of rubbish that a fighter can't spec to DPS with AAs + right equipment.....I know a 70 zerker, buckler line who hits 1000-1200 DPS on raids. Sure hes never going to be a raid MT but nice DPS <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wildfury77 wrote:<BR>Load of rubbish that a fighter can't spec to DPS with AAs + right equipment.....<BR>I know a 70 zerker, buckler line who hits 1000-1200 DPS on raids. Sure hes never going to be a raid MT but nice DPS <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>More like 2 k on raids and our raid MT IS a zerker and a very very good one

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Licit wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drevva wrote:<BR><BR>I'm just not seeing how a swashie would be a better choice than a brawler.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Its all to do with the STA AA line and that is the point in the OP, I was on that line for leveling and questing, (on a different spec now for raiding), and at lvl 70 I had nearly 3.5k mit, nearly 8k health and 65% avoid, I did alot of instances and dungeon zones with some guildies when we were short a tank and NEVER had a problem, healer buffed in my normal questing group I was 11K health, 4.1K mit and 72% avoid, with a reactive taunt (50% on getting hit), encounter taunt and single target taunt, only ever lost aggro when the warlock went all out AE. I'm sorry now that I never took a sceenie when I was on that line, would quieten alot of folks that have doubts.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>So showing you this, can a swashy be a better choice at tank than brawler? Hell yes, and its an ignorant player that thinks otherwise, same boat as those in t6 that said, Pally tank a raid......never!!</FONT><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wrong on both counts :smileysurprised: and its an arrogant player that posts what you said , its all about the player NOT the toon.  Our Guild MT is a zerker and MA is pali and when the MT is away the paly tanks the encounters just fine.  </P> <P>As for the first statement you must be kidding :smileywink:<BR></P>

[MrDiz]

<blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Licit wrote:<BR><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Drevva wrote:<BR><BR>I'm just not seeing how a swashie would be a better choice than a brawler.<BR><BR><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its all to do with the STA AA line and that is the point in the OP, I was on that line for leveling and questing, (on a different spec now for raiding), and at lvl 70 I had nearly 3.5k mit, nearly 8k health and 65% avoid, I did alot of instances and dungeon zones with some guildies when we were short a tank and NEVER had a problem, healer buffed in my normal questing group I was 11K health, 4.1K mit and 72% avoid, with a reactive taunt (50% on getting hit), encounter taunt and single target taunt, only ever lost aggro when the warlock went all out AE. I'm sorry now that I never took a sceenie when I was on that line, would quieten alot of folks that have doubts.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>So showing you this, can a swashy be a better choice at tank than brawler? Hell yes, and its an ignorant player that thinks otherwise, same boat as those in t6 that said, Pally tank a raid......never!!</FONT><BR></DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Wrong on both counts :smileysurprised: and its an arrogant player that posts what you said , its all about the player NOT the toon.  Our Guild MT is a zerker and MA is pali and when the MT is away the paly tanks the encounters just fine.  </P><P>As for the first statement you must be kidding :smileywink:<BR></P><hr></blockquote>Im sorry but you must have misunderstood him. He said that a swashy CAN be a better tank than a bralwer, which you must agree with if you think its about the players. because a badly played monk will tank worse than a well played swashy (assuming good gear/aa).And he ridiculed the idea that Pallys could not tank. Ie he felt they COULD tank a raid, which of course they can.I think you totally misunderstood him. Or I did?

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its all to do with the STA AA line and that is the point in the OP, I was on that line for leveling and questing, (on a different spec now for raiding), and at lvl 70 I had nearly 3.5k mit, nearly 8k health and 65% avoid, I did alot of instances and dungeon zones with some guildies when we were short a tank and NEVER had a problem, healer buffed in my normal questing group I was 11K health, 4.1K mit and 72% avoid, with a reactive taunt (50% on getting hit), encounter taunt and single target taunt, only ever lost aggro when the warlock went all out AE. I'm sorry now that I never took a sceenie when I was on that line, would quieten alot of folks that have doubts.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>So showing you this, can a swashy be a better choice at tank than brawler? Hell yes, and its an ignorant player that thinks otherwise, same boat as those in t6 that said, Pally tank a raid......never!!</FONT><BR></DIV><BR><BR> <HR> <BR><BR>Im sorry but you must have misunderstood him. He said that a swashy CAN be a better tank than a bralwer, which you must agree with if you think its about the players. because a badly played monk will tank worse than a well played swashy (assuming good gear/aa).<BR><BR>And he ridiculed the idea that Pallys could not tank. Ie he felt they COULD tank a raid, which of course they can.<BR><BR>I think you totally misunderstood him. Or I did?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hmmm yea i think i missed the sarcasm in the pali comment hehe ! sry bud !</P> <P>though as for the can be a better choice its a bit of a double edged sword isnt it , not sure which way you mean it ..</P> <P>the way i see it if you have a tank available let the tank tank and the dps dps , its the way its meant to be ... sry again if ive taken it the wrong way :smileysurprised:</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div><u><b>LOL "Its the way its meant to be!!!"</b></u> - if u like rigid roles i suggest you go play <u><b><font color="#ffff00">arcade gauntlet </font></b></u><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> For the final time Dark ---> IF the in group fighter has worse HP (and yes that includes bruisers) and worse mitigation/avoidance balance then with my master taunts, reactive hate gain and DPS, yes DPS! I'm NEVER going to let him/her tank and most groups, once they think about it, agree these days. Your a dying breed mate - SOE introduced varied equipment and the AA line to allow flexibility. As i said if theres a good fighter in group he will tank - obviously! and if he falls Swashtank to the rescue <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />FYI the best ungrouped (non-raiding) swashtank on Befallen has 7k HP, 65% avoidance and 4000+ mitigation & great resists (ungrouped). Thats been achieved by getting the right AAs and the right equipment. As i said its no different from a zerker becoming a DPS machine <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(/Anger off)P.S.  By the way I do like grouping with a high level bruiser dark - i find their avoidance buff helps me tank <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 AM</span>

[DarkMirrax]

<DIV>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Wildfury77 wrote:</DIV> <DIV>LOL "Its the way its meant to be!!!" - if u like rigid roles i suggest you go play arcade gauntlet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR>For the final time Dark ---> IF the in group fighter has worse HP (and yes that includes bruisers) and worse mitigation/avoidance balance then with my master taunts, reactive hate gain and DPS, yes DPS! I'm NEVER going to let him/her tank and most groups, once they think about it, agree these days. Your a dying breed mate - SOE introduced varied equipment and the AA line to allow flexibility. <BR>As i said if theres a good fighter in group he will tank - obviously! and if he falls Swashtank to the rescue <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>/Erm Hate gain & dps why not let a mage tank ? he can do more damage and generate more hate than anyone ... why doesnt he tank ? why because hes not a tank thats why he doenst come equipt with taunts. last i checked my swashie has like 1 taunt mate , how is that a tank ? useful if tank is taken out but if tank dies normally caster is next , then healer then no matter how good u can tank u are dead too , your one taunt doesnt add up to crap in that situation and yes im a dying breed im a tank i die first lol !!!! though if the fighter is 70 and doesnt even have the basic legendary what the hell is he doing ! hehe swashtank lol im gonna make a macro for that "INC Death Everyone Assist Swashtank</FONT> .</DIV> <DIV><BR>FYI the best ungrouped (non-raiding) swashtank on Befallen has 7k HP, 65% avoidance and 4000+ mitigation & great resists (ungrouped). Thats been achieved by getting the right AAs and the right equipment. As i said its no different from a zerker becoming a DPS machine <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>/FYI im not the best bruiser on SP but self buffed i get 7.2 k HP , 75 % avoidance , 3633 mitigation (2k mit buff also) hate buff that procs on hit , 3 taunts plus i can dish it makes me a decent tank.  Im not starting a flame war as u notice i have a swashie who i love and who i have tanked with a lot due to my other toon background (and having no tank ie the specific class soe made for tanking available) so its not a point of can a swashie tank of course he can , question is why would you want to ? seriously ? unless you cant get a tank why make hard work for the healers <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(/Anger off)</DIV> <DIV>P.S.  By the way I do like grouping with a high level bruiser dark - i find their avoidance buff helps me tank <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>/That it does plus our DPS mod helps you do more DPS too oO and like i said i take a swishie everywhere cos i love em <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> not trying to flame anyone or get personal , its just that i read exactly the same thread on the wizard forums saying a wizzie can tank cos of there huge aggro ... course he can but again is he equipt to do so ? no and id have a swashie do it anyday over a non-tank class <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> argue till your blue in the face tanks we aint <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i like watching the dps when u hit inspired + finesee awwwwwwww blam blam blllllammmmmo watch those numbers tick baby !</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>/Rant off <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>p.s love u too <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  hug</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on 07-21-2006 08:26 AM</DIV>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>So your comparing us to a mage-tank.....cos we are a *dps class too*Can mages hit 10k HP, 75% avoidance 4.5k mitigation (2 healers+dirge group) + have master 1 taunt, AoE taunt, attack that increases hate with next hit....oh and gain hate everytime they get hit (last stamina skill)?  I don't think so.....those abilities and stats look pretty tank like to me. The fact that i regularly tank HoF with 1 healer mean anything to you? (including frankie). On Befallen the best swashtank soloed ALL of poets palace <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (at lvl 70)Hard work for healers? The 70 healers that KNOW me on my server will often insist the ingroup fighter takes a backseat - unless they have a decent reputation. One group I know i've won over is the healers i play with <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh and i also play with a Warlock - she has managed to pull agro of me once or twice but only for a second and never died as a result - a good swashtank/ (or even a fightertank) should pay attention after all <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class="date_text">07-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:44 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class="date_text">07-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:04 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:07 PM</span>