Swashbuckler DPS

[SquirrelM]

How do swashbucklers compare in DPS to other classes, and if they fall short, what do they have to make up for it?<div></div>

[SageGaspar]

Very favorably, plus they have debuffs, an aggro transfer, decent tanking ability, and the usual array of scout poisons.<div></div>

[Gusta]

Swashbucklers suck, If you want a dps class try a Brig or Assassin.

[Dakkon_10]

<blockquote><hr>Gusta wrote:Swashbucklers suck, If you want a dps class try a Brig or Assassin.<hr></blockquote>I agree totally. If you want a Dps scout then play a pred.

[LiquidFusion17]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gusta wrote:<BR> Swashbucklers suck, If you want a dps class try a Brig or Assassin.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Swashys dont suck for DPS at all, If you get the right AA lines its been known to parse over Preds at times... Although Preds are top DPS class. Swashys and Brigs are a close 2nd. Swashbucklers can out-dps brigands vs group mobs vs single target a brigand may out-dps but it depends on a number of factors. Ive yet to be out-dps'd by a brigand but then again same for an assassin. My swashy is only 52 but i have raided with brigs and swashys in labs and dt and usually the swash out-dps's... Brigands have better defence de-buffs as we get the offence-debuffs... All in all if you want pure DPS go assassin, if you want a class with abit more then just dps (such as debuffs) go swash, and if your lookin to debuff the hell outta ur targ go brigand.</P> <P>Also hate transfer is very nice feature swashys get... It allows you to go all out without pulling threat from the MT. Well thats my 2 cents. Enjoy</P>

[Luk]

<hr size="2" width="100%">Also hate transfer is very nice feature swashys get<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>Assassin transfer is equal to if not better than swashy transferDPS is very dependant on equipment, skill levels and group make up, get these right and top level and you can top DPS, however, if you are not in ideal group with all skills at least adept 3, and most of them higher, then you will DPS poorlyI have DPS'd nearly 2K on a named raid mob, however every member of my group was giving me something to increase that DPS, mostly in the way of procs, haste and DPS buffs, going a whole fight at 100/100 haste/DPS is a great feeling, but you also need to be skilled enough not to pull aggro when you are doing this.

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Licit wrote:<hr size="2" width="100%">Also hate transfer is very nice feature swashys get<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>Assassin transfer is equal to if not better than swashy transferDPS is very dependant on equipment, skill levels and group make up, get these right and top level and you can top DPS, however, if you are not in ideal group with all skills at least adept 3, and most of them higher, then you will DPS poorlyI have DPS'd nearly 2K on a named raid mob, however every member of my group was giving me something to increase that DPS, mostly in the way of procs, haste and DPS buffs, going a whole fight at 100/100 haste/DPS is a great feeling, but you also need to be skilled enough not to pull aggro when you are doing this.<hr></blockquote>I'm going to go out on a limb and say the assassins probably aren't posting 2k DPS without haste/DPS and aggro buffs hehe.</div>

[AegisCrown]

hehe find a good assassin they do.assassins on average pwn swash dps while we pwn their utility so go brigand <div></div>

[Dragonsviperz]

Swashys can do nice dps. The thing I really love about swashys is the AE auto attack. I would love that on my assassin.

[Carna]

Brigand heals suck; you're not interested in a Brigand... move along, nothing to see here.

[aubreyy]

<DIV>I consistantly do about 300 DPS less than the assassin I roll with. This is okay by my considering the powerful debuffs I have. Infact, I would think I would do less. I am geared very poorly (which is funny considering I raid 3 times a week at least.....), and I top about 1300 DPS on a single target raid mob. Prolly average about 1100. Because my real gear is crud, I have to sacrifice it during the raid for resist gear, and my str is pretty low. Even then, I am satisfied knowing that I am making a big difference on the mob we are fighting. All of my CA's are at least adept 3, and I think that is important. I have only parsed with a few other brigs, but I have out DPS'ed them everytime. This could be the brig, or a lack of upgraded CA's, not sure. I know swashy's with good gear do a lot more DPS than me, but hopefully I'll get lucky with some rolls one day :". Even if your not top DPS, there is nothing more fun than being 100% hasted using WIS line with inspiration and engarde turned on. Sick!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its should also be said that the assassin fights with defensive stance on and has to hold back or he will get aggro very easily; I, on the other hand fight in offensive and go buck wild without ever getting aggro. I havnt even been using my transfer. So in reality, assassin does much more damage than that</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raizzel Flyyn, 70 swashy of Guk </DIV> <DIV>49th season crudsmith</DIV><p>Message Edited by aubreyy on <span class=date_text>06-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:42 PM</span>

[Dragonfly28]

<blockquote><hr>Dakkon_1007 wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gusta wrote:<div></div>Swashbucklers suck, If you want a dps class try a Brig or Assassin.<hr></blockquote>I agree totally. If you want a Dps scout then play a pred.<hr></blockquote>lol  brigands are rogues just like us. And about the dps i disagree, swashies do very nice dps. I usually end up in the top of the parse. However the dps is not very stable, it highly depends on poison procs and  crits. A well equipped Assa i shouldnt be able to outparse, but a brigand should be about the same. Most differences will the come from goup setup, AA and equipment/spells But 1300 in DT isnt rare (with right group setup ofc). If you want raw dps i think an assasin will be the best as it seems rangers have been nerfed so much that nowadays i easily outdps em. Cheers, <span>Onaupu LynxL70 Swashbuckler/ L69 TailorUnitySplitpaw</span><div></div>

[Gusta]

<DIV> Heh some people actually took my comment that we suck serious.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> The dps differnce between a swash and Assassin i really dont think is a big one. Of course SO much of it depends on player skill/gear/ group set up etc...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im able to parse very high on raids even though i dont even have a fabled one hander yet...Once i get a fabled then i can truely do beastly dps :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Krontak]

<DIV>Yeah, they are right,  if you want DPS stay clear of swashbucklers, by far the bottom of the totem pole on the dps ladder. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Shiverr]

<P>We do dps?  I thought we made pimento sandwiches - <EM>I have master one Sandwiching</EM>.</P> <P> </P>

[Dragonfly28]

<blockquote><hr>9thArch wrote:<div></div> <p>We do dps?  I thought we made pimento sandwiches - <em>I have master one Sandwiching</em>.</p> <hr></blockquote>Hmm Id better spare you my interpretation of sandwiching <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <span>Onaupu LynxL70 Swashbuckler/ L69 TailorUnitySplitpaw</span><div></div>

[MrDiz]

I have great dueal wield weapons (63 & 62 dps) with serious procs (scale rend and whirling blades) and most my attacks are master1 now but I still dont do as much dps as an assassin if he is played well. BUT im consistently second on the DPS parser behind him, just ahead of rangers and all the other dps classes. If I had an equal quality 1her and respeced for WIS maybe id be higher.However the assassin loves me, because im half the reason his dps is so high. Debuffs baby. The assassin spends half the raid shouting "HEAL GIZZI! For gods sake dont let the swashy die!!" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sanju]

If you really want massive, insane, obscene DPS, go Troubador. I routinely parse higher than the Brigs, Swashes and Assassins in our raids (we have no rangers because they suck).<div></div>

[AegisCrown]

<div><blockquote><hr>MrDizzi wrote:I have great dueal wield weapons (63 & 62 dps) with serious procs (scale rend and whirling blades) <hr></blockquote>thats only 125 total DR, with frostwrath, the lowest DR 1h  and wis line you get 132 DR and with the highest 84.9 basic DR you end up at 146 DR roughly, the 2 numbers with the 1h are a little low as i only did a base calculation, not including the fact that sometimes you triple attack.</div>

[aubreyy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sanju wrote:<BR>If you really want massive, insane, obscene DPS, go Troubador. I routinely parse higher than the Brigs, Swashes and Assassins in our raids (we have no rangers because they suck).<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Surely, you jest<BR>

[shadowfell_]

Roll a ranger....:smileyvery-happy:

[aubreyy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AegisCrown wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MrDizzi wrote:<BR>I have great dueal wield weapons (63 & 62 dps) with serious procs (scale rend and whirling blades) <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>thats only 125 total DR, with frostwrath, the lowest DR 1h  and wis line you get 132 DR and with the highest 84.9 basic DR you end up at 146 DR roughly, the 2 numbers with the 1h are a little low as i only did a base calculation, not including the fact that sometimes you triple attack.<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I thought DW DR was calculated full DR for primary, half DR for secondary? making the total 94. Am I wrong? By the way, out of curiousity, how much of a DPS difference am I going to notice (auto attack only) with a weapon with 132 DR against one that has 146? Also, taking a 5% proc into consideration, how much of a DR should I trade for a weapon with a proc. Example:</P> <P>Should I take a 1h with no proc, but a DR of 84, or a 1h with a 5% poison proc of lets say 400ish, but with a DR of 81?<BR></P><p>Message Edited by aubreyy on <span class=date_text>07-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:36 AM</span>

[AegisCrown]

no for dws its combiend DR since 2 dws was supposed t be about equal to one 2h but soe changed it s that 2 dws is now better. (DW boost in DoF)not sure about the actual number from 132 to 146 buts thats about a 10% increase.personally i would take the higher DR since the purpose of using a 1h with wisdom line is to hit for the highest autoattack damage possible, and sicne you double attack 72% of the time that increase should be better than a 5% proc for 400ish dmg. <div></div>

[Galn]

One thing I did that really boosted my DPS is almost capping my STR. Having a 316 STR at lvl 53 means my combat arts do a ton of damage. Plus its fun to run around telling the tanks they are wimps :smileytongue:

[Luk]

<div><blockquote><hr>Galn wrote:<div></div>One thing I did that really boosted my DPS is almost capping my STR. Having a 316 STR at lvl 53 means my combat arts do a ton of damage. Plus its fun to run around telling the tanks they are wimps :smileytongue:<hr></blockquote>Watch the tanks go nuts when the do a ninja examine and see you have 986 STR <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Rampagious]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sanju wrote:If you really want massive, insane, obscene DPS, go Troubador. I routinely parse higher than the Brigs, Swashes and Assassins in our raids (we have no rangers because they suck).<div></div><hr></blockquote>What this man is saying is 100% true, the only thing he left out that troub's routinely out dps is enchanters :l</div>