Which scout is right for me?

[iGiTerminatr]

<div></div><font size="4"><font face="Arial"><font size="3"> Hello all,I am interested in a scout class but am unsure of which will suit me best.I have tried a troubador up to 23 and although I love the utilities/buffs, I need good dps.I like the idea of ranger for the ranged attacks, but I would like to be a group friendly player like a swash for the utilities. Do swash have any ranged attacks? I find all melee very dull after a while. Any reasons to choose swash over Rnager or vise versa? Eg: upcoming nerfs <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Any suggestions would be great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Ty</font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by iGiTerminatrix on <span class="date_text">06-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:06 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by iGiTerminatrix on <span class=date_text>06-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:06 AM</span>

[the flu]

sigh.....Not even halfway down the first page:<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=12388#M12388" target=_blank>Swashy or ranger</a><div></div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=12498#M12498" target=_blank>Swashy vs other scouts</a>

[Shiverr]

<P>/SIGH</P> <P>What's up with all these posts lately about people wanting us to choose their class for them?  I mean for real.</P> <P> Don't want to be inhospitable, but really Its simple:  Pick a class and try it out.  If it doesnt work for you, try another.</P> <P> </P>

[iGiTerminatr]

<div></div>For goodness sake... thought forums were supposed to be a place you come for advice/ help ??  Where noobs arent affraid to ask away . What has happened to kindness in this generation :I just asked a simple question that just needed a few lines of advice to guide me in this game which WOULD TAKE LESS EFFORT THEN INSULTING ME IN AS MANY WORDS.  As an ex admin for a eq1 site I would have been outraged by those types of replies and would thave deleted them asap. IF YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING NICE, DONT SAY ANYTHING ATALL. Liinking is fine but the need for "sigh.. look lower down" remarks are uncalled for, just gives an unfriendly feel about the entire forum.I have had a 70 Berserker and 65 Warlock so far, no experience in scouts atall and wanted some help. I have looked thru the past few pages and those links you posted but still havent seen my question answered .... As for the remark about find out your own class by playing it ... I dont feel lilke spending  a week trying every class until 20-30 to find out for myself when I could just ask a community forum for advice and not keep my friends waiting on me to decide on a class.My main question .. Do Swash have any decent ranged attacks ? .. Forget it, I retract it .. Would rather find it somewhere else then sit here and argue about it when I could in Norrath killing something. Go ahead and delete this admin, ban me , whatever.1 outraged Qeynosian Logging .. <div></div><p>Message Edited by iGiTerminatrix on <span class=date_text>06-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:19 AM</span>

[D-DevilK]

We help those who help themselves.Anyway - Swashies can equip ranged gear, and use it (Not with as much power as a ranger).Otherwise no.<div></div>

[Debunkt]

<DIV>Nobody needs to walk away mad here. iGiT, you need to step back a minute and understand that new/potential swashes ask the same type of questions you did a couple times a week. That means those posts are probably found in the first few pages of this forum. How are the veterans supposed to feel or respond to the same questions over and over....when the information you seek is readily available?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regarding ranged attacks, Swashes get a line of throwing combat arts that I believe starts at 16. Take a look at this sticky thread for more info:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=10387" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=10387</A></DIV>

[the flu]

And as a user and mod for other sites, I get distraught when people can be bothered to look down half a page or read stickies for topics that come up at least once a week, if not more. I'm sure as an admin your first words to newbies were to use the search function before asking questions. The main point being that people have typed out well thought out, well researched answers to your questions- and often don't like repeating themselves. And lets face it, when four of the first 20 topics on the forum are about the differences between scout a and scout b, it's not to much for vetrans to ask for newbies to read at least one of them. As long as a post isn't on page 80 of a forum, it's ok to post a followup question in it, and it makes it look like you have at least done some of your homework.The posts I linked answer the second part of your question- reasons to choose one class over the other. They give you the basic functions of each class, along with some pros and cons of each. AS for range- swashies are not a ranged class. We get one ability throughout our careers and a second one in our mid 50's, but the range on them is short and you will not do significant damage using them. <div></div>

[Carna]

That's Brigands you can hear chuckling on the other side of the wall <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Shiverr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Carnagh wrote:<BR> That's Brigands you can hear chuckling on the other side of the wall <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Careful there hamburglar, they'll be knocking on your door before long probably.....:smileywink:</P> <P> </P>

[maiti]

<blockquote><hr>9thArch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Carnagh wrote: <div></div>That's Brigands you can hear chuckling on the other side of the wall <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Careful there hamburglar, they'll be knocking on your door before long probably.....:smileywink:</p> <hr></blockquote>na, who would want to play the least played class in the game. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 9thArch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Carnagh wrote:<BR> That's Brigands you can hear chuckling on the other side of the wall <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Careful there hamburglar, they'll be knocking on your door before long probably.....:smileywink:</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We just growl at them and tell them they really want to be a Swashbuckler.... telling them our heals suck used to be enough. Now we have to tell them Swashbuckler nukes are so much better. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[NightHawke]

<DIV>It's funny, the guy has two post 60 characters, and he gets nuked for asking a question.  Yeah there are probably 400 other questions that relate, but he had specific questions.</DIV> <DIV><BR>There really isn't any one location that hosts fully updated information that doesnt date back a year or two.  I think his question was valid.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Folks seem to be getting jaded here.</DIV><p>Message Edited by NightHawke on <span class=date_text>06-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 AM</span>

[SmCaudata]

As others have said we have a ranged CA that does decent damage and snares.  We also have a ranged CA that will continually throw for high damage and increased threat.  The later is nice for those time when you just don't have the healing to keep up with a big AoE on more than just the MT.Rangers do more damage.  They are tier 1 dps and they do it well.  Because of positioning and prep for some of their attack they do not make quite as good of a solo class from what I can tell.  Swashies do good damage though as well.  Also, swashy debuffs are awesome and in my groups with my hate transfer the tanks usually don't have aggro problems.  With our hurricane any procs from other classes make us chew through grouped mobs.  That isn't to say rangers aren't group friendly.  DPS is always nice to have in groups and thus they are desired.  Because of this I think 2 rangers in a group may be better than 2 swashies.  Then again, I am only vaguely familiar with ranger abilities so I am not sure what they will lose out on having 2 in group.Best thing I can say is to play the swashbuckler if you think you will like it.  If you don't and find yourself wanting to go to more pure damage or more ranged then look to ranger or assassin.  Before the mez nerf I think we had a little more group utility, but then again since I got hurricane at 52 I didn't mez much anymore.Hope this helps a bit.<div></div>

[shadowfell_]

Aye i must agree that he did have a valid question..It really dependz on your playstyle....i have a 68 wizzy but made my swashy my main.  I am always in the top 4 in raid parse and can tank any zone but raid instances.  Dunno it's up to u but i love my swashy......definately is a jack of all trades.....and fits my playstyle perfectly.  You will not be the "top" dps in a raid...........but as i said i am always in the top 4 or 5 and if not raiding can tank a grp through PoA....or be major dps.

[Foible]

<P>The question was valid, and the people who rebuffed the asker weren't obligated to particpate.   If you don't have something nice or constructive to say....</P> <P>The question:  "<FONT size=3>I like the idea of ranger for the ranged attacks, but I would like to be a group friendly player like a swash for the utilities. Do swash have any ranged attacks? I find all melee very dull after a while. Any reasons to choose swash over Rnager or vise versa? Eg: upcoming nerfs"</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>IMO the ranger seems one dimensional.  The swasher can do different things in different situations, making the character more fun.  Swash can dispell magical benefits, decrease resistance to magic and divine, decrease the DPS of a mob.  If you raid the DPS reduction can be key when you go up against the toughest mobs.   When the main tank and two healers have to stand alone against the Boss, while the assistant tank and everyone else chews through the sub boss and adds, the swasher steps up to keep a lid on the Boss.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>And, of course, you have to pay attention and decide which of your tools you think you ought to be using at any time.</FONT></P> <P>Keep in mind that it's easy to say that you find melee boring...until the ranger or the warlock in your group start posting their damage parses.   Even when you know the healer is healing less, and the wizards are hitting for more, and the mobs seem to just be going down easy...you can't deny that being in 3d or 4th place on the DPS list hurts.</P> <P><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>

[TigernDel]

<DIV>IM also looking at the Swashbuckler. But am tossing that up between a wizard as well. Im looking for fast soloing, I dont have alot of time and need a class that can rip thru mobs at a decent rate so I can eventually take my time with another class. From what I have read the Swashy isnt bad, but im having trouble deciding.</DIV>

[Jeeshman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 9thArch wrote:<BR> <P>/SIGH</P> <P>What's up with all these posts lately about people wanting us to choose their class for them?  I mean for real.</P> <P> Don't want to be inhospitable, but really Its simple:  Pick a class and try it out.  If it doesnt work for you, try another.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow.  First two response posts to what appears to be a valid question are /sighs with snotty remarks to the OP.  I started surfing posts in this forum so that I could figure out if a Swashy was worth trying.  First post I came to was this one.  Thanks for making my decision easy.</P> <P>I don't want to be inhospitable, but how about next time a noob to your class posts a question you try not to act like such elitist snobs?  Believe me, I'm tired of people posting "Which is better--Wizard or Warlock" on the Wizard forums.  But I try to avoid ridiculing those people because I don't want to create a negative first impression.<BR></P>

[Luk]

Not to make excuses for those that posted, I refrained from putting anything up, but when this thread was originally posted, there were at least 3 other threads asking similar questions on the first page of recent threads and then a few more on the second page.Literally, if someone can not pick a class they enjoy, they should be looking at a different game, most people that have choices made for them end up unhappy, people that play swashies and enjoy the swashy do so because they picked the class, not because someone told them to play it.<div></div>

[aubreyy]

Its important to go into it know that you arn't sheer DPS. Your not gonna ever throw down a big impressive blow. swashbucklers are great DPS, but we are also, and to me foremost, great debuffers. I think if you focus on that, youll enjoy the class more, and the DPS will come. Also, we are not due for any nerfs. We are right where we should be atm as far as I can tell. I have played a swashy for over 1.5 years, but have not had as much fun until i really started raiding. That is just me. 

[Jeffmaster]

<P>I know that this may be off topic....but why are brigs the less played class and everybody just loves them and say how great they are along with swashies</P> <P>by the way we don't get any real good ranged attacks...who needs them:smileyvery-happy:</P>