Any high lvl swashies going dual wield?

[Drevva]

Currently lvl 66 swashie, with 35 AA pts. I'm currently Wis 4,4,4,8,8 Str 4,2 Using blade of the bixes. Been pondering a change of pace as I haven't used my free respect yet.  I like Wisdom fine, though once i hit lvl 70 I may drop the top skill in the wisdom line, now i find it useful. I tend to solo, duo with warden, group ocassionaly and raid  couple days a week . I've been seeing some nice dual wield weapons drop raiding, but no onehanders yet. Was pondering Str 4,4,4,8 Agil 4,4,4,4,8 I'm curious if sailwind might net some auto attack dmg as less time is spent on the CA. I've notice most every high lvl swashie I have seen has gone 1 hander. Any thoughts from those going duel wield? Drevva

[Krontak]

It all depends on which AA's you chose.  I went STR with maxed crit hit (gonna max defense too) and am going down the STA line (I solo alot and dont mind tanking instances).  I use duel wield for DPS on raids and will switch to a buckler/1 hander if I need to eat some mele type AOE/dot to lessen strain on healers mana.  Being in mt group I'll hit about 4k+ mit or so and somewhere about 55% or so avoidance, above 60 with the right group buffs.  I also did my /respect and chose all the STA/hit point character traights I could to max out my hitpoints.  Its just my playstyle though.

[Liil]

<P><FONT color=#cc99cc>I'm gonna stick with DW,  I just feels right for me.  I dont like the idea of one handed or using a shield.  Been a Dual Wielding  rogue since 1999 and don't fancy changing that.  My DPS is nice, i'm normally top on a raid or very near it on parses.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc99cc>My AA are:</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc99cc>STR 4-4-4-4-8</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc99cc>INT 4-4-4-4-8</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc99cc>Edited to say - I am a swashy who never solo's.   Thought i'd add that as there appear to be alot of swashies who like to solo.  I am either with a semi-perma group or raiding.  I have never had the need to tank therefore dont feel the need to use a shield.  </FONT></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Liil on <span class=date_text>06-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:17 PM</span>

[OpethPA]

<P>I have always been more about DW because to me the game is not about parsing logs and making sure I do the most DPS but rather having fun. </P> <P>To me , rogues dual wield . </P> <P> </P> <P>Play to have fun, not to do 213 points more DPS because of your AA's! =) </P>

[Drevva]

<blockquote><hr>OpethPA wrote:<div></div> <p>I have always been more about DW because to me the game is not about parsing logs and making sure I do the most DPS but rather having fun. </p> <p>To me , rogues dual wield . </p> <p>Play to have fun, not to do 213 points more DPS because of your AA's! =) </p><hr></blockquote> Well fun for some is parsing as high as they can , dont' think one form of fun is more valid than another <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But  as for me, not overly concerned about dps as long as it is in the ball park.  I was curious as I was thinking of trying that route, but every lvl 70 swashie I had passed seemed to be of the one hander variety, was wondering if I was missing something obvious. As I have a free respec, think I will meander the dual wield path for a while, least till I get the option of a nice one handerd, hehe. Drevva <div></div>

[MrDiz]

I prefer the one hander look (fencer), but ive switched to DW for 2 reasons.1) My guild brigand doesnt always turn up for raids and we would like another rogue with the recast timer debuff. I only have 30aa right now so i can only get to the end of one line and i respeced to Str to help out on raid more.2) For some reason 1hers are insanely hard to find. Im using a 65dps 1her .... which is crud cos even our troubadours are using 62dps dual wields now. Basically with the quality of DW weapon drops im probably going to match dps as with wisdom line maxed and a 65dps 1her.

[Ghartan]

<div><blockquote><hr>Liil wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p><font color="#cc99cc">I'm gonna stick with DW,  I just feels right for me.  I dont like the idea of one handed or using a shield.  Been a Dual Wielding  rogue since 1999 and don't fancy changing that.  My DPS is nice, i'm normally top on a raid or very near it on parses.</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">My AA are:</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">STR 4-4-4-4-8</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">INT 4-4-4-4-8</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">Edited to say - I am a swashy who never solo's.   Thought i'd add that as there appear to be alot of swashies who like to solo.  I am either with a semi-perma group or raiding.  I have never had the need to tank therefore dont feel the need to use a shield.  </font></p><hr></blockquote>I am in the same boat as Liil.I almost never solo as I am in guild groups or raids 99% of the time. So for that I like to dual wield and have the same AA line up.</div>

[Dragonfly28]

<blockquote><hr>Ghartan wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Liil wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p><font color="#cc99cc">I'm gonna stick with DW,  I just feels right for me.  I dont like the idea of one handed or using a shield.  Been a Dual Wielding  rogue since 1999 and don't fancy changing that.  My DPS is nice, i'm normally top on a raid or very near it on parses.</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">My AA are:</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">STR 4-4-4-4-8</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">INT 4-4-4-4-8</font></p> <p><font color="#cc99cc">Edited to say - I am a swashy who never solo's.   Thought i'd add that as there appear to be alot of swashies who like to solo.  I am either with a semi-perma group or raiding.  I have never had the need to tank therefore dont feel the need to use a shield.  </font></p><hr></blockquote>I am in the same boat as Liil.I almost never solo as I am in guild groups or raids 99% of the time. So for that I like to dual wield and have the same AA line up.</div><hr></blockquote> I do solo every now and tehn and still find this aa setup quite to my liking. The fd is really sweet for solo purposes in combanation with invis. And indeed i also raid a lot and i just like the DW play style :p <span>Onaupu LynxL70 Swashbuckler/ L66 TailorUnitySplitpaw</span>

[Davhanama]

<P>Hi</P> <P>Just hit 70 2 days ago and I have continued to dual wield. I am working on the STR and AGI line now as I solo sometimes and raid/group sometimes, and that combo seems to be right for me right now.  I do not act as the tank in my groups. I am using 2 dual wield daggers most of the time, The Grinning Dirk of Horror (59 rating) and Grizzfazzle's Dirk (52 rating).  The grinning dirk is a raid drop I was lucky enough to win and Grizzfazzle's is a quest reward in the bonemire.  I have an imbued cobalt rapier for when I am fighting a mob the Walk the Plank from the agi line would come in handy. </P> <P>As well, to me, DW is the way I think a rogue should be.  But others do not DW..ahh the beauty of a game where you have choice!</P> <P> </P>

[Tyr]

<P>I'm actually like Liil, Ghartan, and Dragonfly28.  I'm actually suprised to hear that there are actually others who didn't go with what seems to be the norm WIS/STR line.  I also know the other swashie in our guild is going STR/AGI I believe.  </P> <P>I'm not sure if I'm going to go STR 4-4-4-4-8 or STR 4-4-4-8 and place the 4(5?) points somewhere else...  I still have my free respec and plan on respecing to other lines to try them once I get 50aa's.  </P> <P>I just recently got FD... and the possibilites are just opening up for me.... with sneak and FD I can now safely reach places solo I could never before... especially since they use the see-invis effect so widely now.  I can now see why it's under the "thief" line... which originally confused me because it's a "monk-bruiser" ability.</P> <P>I am very happy with my dps capability with just the int line and it should get even better with the str line.  I just can't wait to see what the new expansion brings.</P>

[Drevva]

<div></div> I switched over last night after I hit 67, decided to try the str/agil, but with only 35 pts going strength first. As I said  I solo/duo/group/raid, tried out the soloing with some of the common DW weapons, got  a dagger at 49 DR and the steel rend flight at 44DR, not the best but both for under a platinum hehe.  Started on grizzle's quest, so now need to get in to the den and finish that.  Anyone have thoughts for minimum lvl of group to complete the den part? Since I had enough pts to complete an AA line but not enough for the second I put some extra pts in +def as it comes in handy for  me.  I enjoyed it the new me <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, seemed to  work about as well as what I had before. I am curious about the  int line though, I just couldn't get excited about it, but maybe I'm missing something.  the FD is nice but a whole lot of points to get to that point.  I don't really have agro problems.. I suppose the extra stealth attack would be handy.. I must say that I do enjoy that there are several equally viable paths one can take, shows the Achievement line is working in my opinion.  Thinking I will stay with this until/if I get a really nice 1 hander.  I agree about the DW availability, could have had 1 of those already from raiding, but didn't take it as I was single weapon at the time.  This it was the oblivion blade or some such, 57ish DR. Drevva<p>Message Edited by Drevva on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:54 AM</span>

[Debunkt]

<DIV>The Den is doable mid 60's, so your current level is fine. I recall going with a full group, all 65-67.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recommed doing the 2 quests for Cpt Drednever (at the Crashsite) first as they result in some nifty weapons that proc extra damage on Ravasects. Not required by any means, but the weapons are fun and mos def handy...All classes receive a weapon they can use, I think, not 100% sure what priests get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/quests/FetidHarvest.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/quests/FetidHarvest.php</A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/quests/Insectsurrection.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/quests/Insectsurrection.php</A></DIV>

[Teksun]

Am I the only Swashy planning on going AGI/WIS?I was in the SCA a few years and did a little swashy style fighting, this was my favorite style: rapier, open hand.It may not be the most effective, but this toon is more for feel than DPS <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Sabatini]

I'm also going Wis/Agility because what else would be better for a Fencing Pirate? It has less to do with the dps and more to do with roleplay for me. I've always liked that Errol Flynn image of parrying herds of enemies with a single blade, riposting and using clever tricks. The Fencer line covers most of that, and the pirate one covers the dirty tricks.

[Scort]

Well, I was 4,4,4,4,8 Int and 4,4,4,6 Wis but, when they nerfed wis line, I decided to switch and try it out. I was still getting about 900 or so peak DPS depending on the group I was in and I had a couple of the best t7 1handers in the game.I switched to 4,4,4,4,8 Agi and 4,4,4,6 Str (only have 43 points at the moment). My DPS jumped to 1200DPS peak depending on the group. Like if I am in the coercer's group. I still get 900-1100 DPS, especially kicking in ID. This is using some really nice DW but, none are rapiers or swords so I have to switch, use the skills and switch back during the fight.I avg about 200 or so more DPS than I did with 1h, even with 6 points in dbl attack.

[Snarks]

With the combination of WIS-line nerf and the boost to AGI-proc damage, I think I'll take a gamble and try out duel wield. I picked up right hand of the high priestess today, and while that +double attack + inspiration is probably unmatched in dps, the downtime on inspiration is significant enough to create a low-overall dps. So far I am very dissapointed with the weapon. However, if duel wielding doesnt workout, I can always switch back. <div></div>

[MaxXNos]

<DIV>Heh, here's an entirely different setup.  I solo, I tank when I box my warden, and I raid.  Soooo...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stamina : 4-4-5-4-8</DIV> <DIV>Intelligence : 4-4-4-4-8</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The de-agro abilities and Feign are invaluable to a rogue on raids; I almost never have to worry about drawing agro anymore, but I can still go all out on dps.  As for dps itself, the group I'm in affects that more than any AA line.  Dual wield for me in this setup.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've also got the round shield from Gorenaire and the Shadowaxe from Halls of Seeing, along with ad3 defensive stance, full fabled/legendary equipment, I make quite a light tank when boxing my warden.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Snarks]

Seems odd that  you would split points into losing aggro and gaining aggro. Does your warden actually pull aggro when you box? <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snarkteeth wrote:<BR>With the combination of WIS-line nerf and <U><EM><STRONG>the boost to AGI-proc damage</STRONG></EM></U>, I think I'll take a gamble and try out duel wield. I picked up right hand of the high priestess today, and while that +double attack + inspiration is probably unmatched in dps, the downtime on inspiration is significant enough to create a low-overall dps. So far I am very dissapointed with the weapon.<BR><BR>However, if duel wielding doesnt workout, I can always switch back.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>when is that happening?

[Snarks]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gyilok wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> snarkteeth wrote:With the combination of WIS-line nerf and <u><em><strong>the boost to AGI-proc damage</strong></em></u>, I think I'll take a gamble and try out duel wield. I picked up right hand of the high priestess today, and while that +double attack + inspiration is probably unmatched in dps, the downtime on inspiration is significant enough to create a low-overall dps. So far I am very dissapointed with the weapon.However, if duel wielding doesnt workout, I can always switch back. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>when is that happening?<hr></blockquote>June 8 Test update notes *** Achievements *** - All players are granted a free achievement respecialization if they don't already have an available free one as part of Live Update #24. - Summoner: Empower Servant: Now correctly reduces the amount of power used by the pet. <font color="#ff6600"><b>- Rogue: Avast Ye: Increased damage.</b></font> - Bard: Poison Concoction: Fixed proc percentages to 3% per rank. - Warrior: Perseverance: Fixed health gain and increased health returned. - Summoner: Animist's Transference: Fixed health drain component on pet. - Cleric: Steadfast should now work properly. So you can expect to see these changes on the 14th.<div></div><p>Message Edited by snarkteeth on <span class=date_text>06-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:11 PM</span>

[MaxXNos]

<blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:Seems odd that  you would split points into losing aggro and gaining aggro. Does your warden actually pull aggro when you box? <div></div><hr></blockquote>Nope, but that's not the only reason for going Stamina line.  Mercenary's Stamina + Conditioning + Formation = huge scout hp.  This has saved me more than once in raids on aoe's, plus it helps make up for being able to take less of a hit than a plate tank, although that's not as big an issue for me considering I have over 70% mit w/my warden, rofl.<div></div>

[kyth]

    Ya new DMG on avaste ye is 500-834.  Problem is we are still dealing with , in my opinion, a broken DW proc mechanic.  being that DW procs, again in my opinion, far less then 1h or 2h does.<div></div>

[Gyilok]

<P>cool thx, didnt see those notes</P> <P>and for kythik, there is no dw restriction for avaste ye hehe</P><p>Message Edited by Gyilok on <span class=date_text>06-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:39 AM</span>

[kyth]

    oh i know there is no restriction on it.  The thread was focus'd towards DW...so i gave my opinion on DW proc mechanics =p.<div></div>

[SmCaudata]

<div><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:    Ya new DMG on avaste ye is 500-834.  Problem is we are still dealing with , in my opinion, a broken DW proc mechanic.  being that DW procs, again in my opinion, far less then 1h or 2h does.<div></div><hr></blockquote>This change makes it seem like Wis/Agi would be awesome DPS.  You would lose crit bonus, def bonus, and the increased recast debuff but gain a nice proc.I like some of the above have found it difficult to get a nice 1 hander.  I just hit 70 and haven't had the time to raid yet.  Even so the dual wield weapons seem to be more abundant than the nice 1 handers that swashies can use.  If the agi line turns out to be worthwhile I may respec str/agi and go back to dual wield.  I do love the fact that with huricane and the higher damage 1 hander I do nice group damage though.  It's tough.  I am glad we have choices at least.</div>

[Ishbu]

For my swashbuckler Ive tried out both the wisdom line and the agi line. I happened to have access to a better set of duel wields than I did 1hander and my dps was significantly higher dual weilding. Since the "nerf" I would say both 1hander and dual weild are viable for top dps depending on what weapons you can get. As a swashbuckler if you can get that grinning dirk of horror out of lyceum, your gonna be hitting things [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing hard.

[wr4ithd0]

<DIV>I will always be going DW whenever I can.  First off, it makes little sense to me to choose one of the few classes that CAN DW and simply not use it; and second, I see no point not DW if there is a tank in the group.  That being said, I do carry a nice shield and 1H in case I am in a group and acting as tank while awaiting a plate tank to arrive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the AA lines, AGI all the way first off, Sailwind is amazing to have and am currently working on the INT line for 100% FD.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah yes, Cuban B!  Have been 70 for a good bit of time now, before anyone asks.</DIV>

[Drevva]

Have a quick question for more clarification. I read somewhere else that checking the DR of dual wields can be a bit misleading as they boosted them a bit to make up for the fact they were doing less dmg than a two hander. So any idea of the ballpark ratio comparing 1-hander to dual wields. I'm curious if say two 49DR dual wields would yield similar to 62 DR single wields.  These numbers correspond to what I have seen easily available on the broker... I've been playing with both wisdom line and str/agil , used up my free respec as I knew I was getting another one.  For my playstyle though I really do like the Coule, it helps on raids as I'm still not lvl 70 and every bonus to hit helps.  Also helps a lot in duoing/soloing.  I figure for now I can still play around and see what I like best, but at some point I'm going ot have an option on a fabled weapon raiding <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, and at the point a decision will need to be made , hehe btw thanks for all the info and insight. Drevva

[Tyr]

<div><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:    Ya new DMG on avaste ye is 500-834.  Problem is we are still dealing with , in my opinion, a broken DW proc mechanic.  being that DW procs, again in my opinion, far less then 1h or 2h does.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I tend to agree.. anything below 10% proc chance is almost worthless on a duel wield weapon as far as my parses show.. unless its a 5% chance to proc a poison that will proc X number of times over X number of seconds.  ie Tundramin's Fang (sp?).  According to my parses it seems quite common to see 0 or maybe 1 proc on a heroic named fight.  It's almost enough for me to ignore procs on duel wield weapons and go for the highest dam rating... even then, I'm still having a hard time understanding how they actually calculate that damage rating... as my math on several duel wield weapons never add up correctly to the rating displayed.</div>

[SmCaudata]

<blockquote><hr>Garosantith wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:    Ya new DMG on avaste ye is 500-834.  Problem is we are still dealing with , in my opinion, a broken DW proc mechanic.  being that DW procs, again in my opinion, far less then 1h or 2h does.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I tend to agree.. anything below 10% proc chance is almost worthless on a duel wield weapon as far as my parses show.. unless its a 5% chance to proc a poison that will proc X number of times over X number of seconds.  ie Tundramin's Fang (sp?).  According to my parses it seems quite common to see 0 or maybe 1 proc on a heroic named fight.  It's almost enough for me to ignore procs on duel wield weapons and go for the highest dam rating... even then, I'm still having a hard time understanding how they actually calculate that damage rating... as my math on several duel wield weapons never add up correctly to the rating displayed.</div><hr></blockquote>But Avast Ye maxed is 16% isn't it?  I am guessing that it is adjusted to weapon speed like other procs.  So I guess I don't understand this comment and would like to be enlightened.  Since you proc off the mainhand only, why would a 1.5 delay dual wield proc less than a 1.5 delay 1hander?  Is this true and parsed or just a hunch on observation?  According to my understanding of procs th 16% should go to 8% on each of those 1.5 delay weapons.  If the dual wield misses more than that will affect it, but if it misses 10% more often than the same one hander this won't affect the proc rate in a fight much.  You will proc 9 times for evey 10 you would have with a 1 hander.

[Snarks]

on my parses avaste ye accounted for 3% avg of my dps and the longsword of perfection accounted for 2% of my dps uber how about soe fixes procs because they obviously dont know [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] they are doing <div></div>

[Tarya]

<div></div>I'm going DW and INT line (not sure yet if i max all of them or add some flavor from some other line), but I chose this purely on the facts that I think two daggers look the best on my character AND the last ability to feign death - very nice indeed <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Tarya on <span class=date_text>06-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:57 AM</span>