Worth my time

[Conquerer4]

<DIV>Ive been thinking about creating a scout type class for a while and i am interested in becoming a swashbuckler...... now i would like to know from all you swashbucklers out there.....why should i create and stick with a swashbuckler? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>please post your opinions and i look forward to seeing your responses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>post the damage....certain spells that make a swashbuckler so good....what type of armor.....what are best type of weapons to use....etc..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ttyl</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Burrita</DIV> <DIV>Server: Nektulos</DIV> <DIV>Guild: Warlords</DIV>

[SageGaspar]

<div></div>Not trying to be flippant at all here, but seriously read through the first couple pages of threads and you'll find a whole ton of them talking about "Swashy vs. X class", pictures of nice weapons, discussions of attacks, that sorta thing.The short answer is that swashbucklers are the closest thing to a generalist that EQ2 has, they do great DPS, are good group tanks, and have great utility and debuffs. We get the coolest looking AQ and Relic suits, but otherwise we use the same exact weapons and armor as any other chain scout.<div></div><p>Message Edited by SageGaspar on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:24 AM</span>

[Teksun]

Are you more interested in DOING good or LOOKING good while you do it? Swashies may not be the BEST, but we look DANG good while doing it. Fops FTW <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Shiverr]

<P>Its definately <EM>not </EM>worth your time.  <FONT color=#ffffcc>Go brigand.</FONT>  You'll never look back.  They have uber heals ya know...</P> <P> </P>

[Raveller]

It depends on what you want to do in combat. If you want to be a melee fighter, Qeynos side, then Swashbuckler is an excellent choice.<div></div>

[Fait]

<P>The swashbucklers can use chain armor giving good defensive abilities. If you plan on soloing then your avoidance will go way up as well making you harder to hit. Twin imbued weapons are a great feature as well.</P> <P>I deffinately recommend going master with the swathe and standard spin attack lines...I have been able to take out large groups of heroic mobs including blue ^^ heroics in numbers greater then 3 with no issues. </P> <P>I have tried just about every class in the game up to at least 20th level...and as we all know, up to 20th level is easy...the truth is I have yet to find as devistating...versatile...and fun class in the game.</P> <P>Although the brigand may be able to heal...a swashy will take em down so fast they dont need a heal. My swashy does more dps then even the mage classes at times and grouping with the right Warlock will allow you to take out entire groups of heroics in fractions of a second...but be prepared to draw alot of aggro. </P> <P>The main difference between brigand and swashy from what I understand and have seen is most of the brigands best attacks must be done from behind...the swashy has excellent rear attacks as well as in your face attacks and a taunt. The swashy's dps is much higher then a brigand and in a duel the swashy will take down a brigand of a few levels higher with relative ease.</P> <P>Good luck with what ever you decide.</P>

[Shiverr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FaithL wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>The main difference between brigand and swashy from what I understand and have seen is most of the brigands best attacks must be done from behind...the swashy has excellent rear attacks as well as in your face attacks and a taunt. <STRONG>The swashy's dps is much higher then a brigand and in a duel the swashy will take down a brigand of a few levels higher with relative ease.</STRONG></P> <P>Good luck with what ever you decide.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This is so inaccurate, stating this as a fact.  Did you decide this theory based on one personal experience?  Swashy's dps is NOT higher than a brigand and <EM>as a rule</EM> a swashy will NOT take down a brigand of a few levels higher with relative ease.  Total bs.  Is it possible?  Yes - a well equipped swashy that plays well vs. a not so well equipped or experienced player could do that.  However the reverse is equally true.  Also, brigs have an advantage on single-targets, where the swashy has an edge on multiples.<BR>

[Sanamien]

Didn't read any of the responses, but the one thing that made me make a swashy alt (which might become my main soon) was the Bravado spells. A buff that gives you a 25% chance to proc a (at my lvl) 58% haste and +5% aggro, that dispells if you get hit. The text in the spell says that you can proc it multiple times and have it stack, but it doesn't work like that. I think that buff is soo cool, so I went ahead and made a swashy. Never regret it so far <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Fait]

<DIV>9thArch wrote:</DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is so inaccurate, stating this as a fact.  Did you decide this theory based on one personal experience?  Swashy's dps is NOT higher than a brigand and <EM>as a rule</EM> a swashy will NOT take down a brigand of a few levels higher with relative ease.  Total bs.  Is it possible?  Yes - a well equipped swashy that plays well vs. a not so well equipped or experienced player could do that.  However the reverse is equally true.  Also, brigs have an advantage on single-targets, where the swashy has an edge on multiples.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recently I as a 30th level swashy, defeated rather quickly, a 35th level brigand who boasted several master level abilities and legendary gear. He lasted about 10 seconds against my swashy. If you reach 35th level and do not know how to play your class then there is an issue. Granted gear and spells do help in killing quickly...but what I would like to see is a brigand of 30th level take down four 27th level ^^ heroics at once and live. My swashy can do it...this is why I say the swashy has higher dps. The direct damage of the brigand cannot compete with the swashy's AOE damage and even the direct damage of th eswashy is amazing. Besides if you are looking for direct damage then I would recommend the assassin over the brigand.</DIV>

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 9thArch wrote:<BR> <P>Its definately <EM>not </EM>worth your time.  <FONT color=#ffffcc>Go brigand.</FONT>  You'll never look back.  They have uber heals ya know...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>They're not nearly as good as your nukes.<BR>

[Shiverr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FaithL wrote:<BR> <DIV>9thArch wrote:</DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is so inaccurate, stating this as a fact.  Did you decide this theory based on one personal experience?  Swashy's dps is NOT higher than a brigand and <EM>as a rule</EM> a swashy will NOT take down a brigand of a few levels higher with relative ease.  Total bs.  Is it possible?  Yes - a well equipped swashy that plays well vs. a not so well equipped or experienced player could do that.  However the reverse is equally true.  Also, brigs have an advantage on single-targets, where the swashy has an edge on multiples.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Recently I as a 30th level swashy, defeated rather quickly, a 35th level brigand who boasted several master level abilities and legendary gear. He lasted about 10 seconds against my swashy.</STRONG> If you reach 35th level and do not know how to play your class then there is an issue. Granted gear and spells do help in killing quickly...but what I would like to see is a brigand of 30th level take down four 27th level ^^ heroics at once and live. My swashy can do it...this is why I say the swashy has higher dps. The direct damage of the brigand cannot compete with the swashy's AOE damage and even the direct damage of th eswashy is amazing. Besides if you are looking for direct damage then I would recommend the assassin over the brigand.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is exactly what I said - you were basing this statement of theory from ONE of your personal experiences.  As stated before, and proven with your comment this is not an across the board fair comparison and results.  I agree with you completely that we can be quite an effective class.  Our debuffs alone are incredible, and often overlooked or not even recognized, because they dont throw numbers up, but rather allow ourselves and others to throw up more and better numbers.</P> <P>However, I suggest you go duel a brigand around your level, gear, and profficiency and see how many wins you trade off with him....  <BR></P>

[Shiverr]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Carnagh wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 9thArch wrote:<BR> <P>Its definately <EM>not </EM>worth your time.  <FONT color=#ffffcc>Go brigand.</FONT>  You'll never look back.  They have uber heals ya know...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>They're not nearly as good as your nukes.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>BLASTED!!!   How did you find out about our super-secret-squirrell nuke?   /shakefist</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You already compromised the great secret of our uber pimento-sandwich making skills. . . . now you go and call us out on our nuke too?  :smileysurprised:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>

[Conquerer4]

<DIV>thanx all for your opinions.......i look forwarding to trying out a swashie</DIV>

[Fait]

<P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</P> <P>9thArch wrote:</P> <P>This is exactly what I said - you were basing this statement of theory from ONE of your personal experiences.  As stated before, and proven with your comment this is not an across the board fair comparison and results.  I agree with you completely that we can be quite an effective class.  Our debuffs alone are incredible, and often overlooked or not even recognized, because they dont throw numbers up, but rather allow ourselves and others to throw up more and better numbers.</P> <P>However, I suggest you go duel a brigand around your level, gear, and profficiency and see how many wins you trade off with him....  </P> <P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</P> <P>This was only one example...I can give a list of all the brigands and other classes I have defeated if you like...but it might take a while to type out all the detailes lol. Seriously though I do agree with you...there are many variables that come into play when dueling or combat in general. I have defeated equally equipped and equally proficient brigands to my swashy even some that are a few levels higher. </P> <P>Whats fun is challenging a heavily armored troll or ogre berzerker and dissecting them in seconds...they never expect it hehe. </P> <P>With the increase in attack speed alone any hunting party should welcome a swashy in an instant. I must also agree that the swashy has a distinct advantage when combating groups. As I stated earlier if a good swashy teams up with a good warlock...groups of heroic mobs better watch out! </P> <P>Thank you very much though for the constructive debate 9thArch I appreciate it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[Shiverr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FaithL wrote:<BR> <P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</P> <P>9thArch wrote:</P> <P>This is exactly what I said - you were basing this statement of theory from ONE of your personal experiences.  As stated before, and proven with your comment this is not an across the board fair comparison and results.  I agree with you completely that we can be quite an effective class.  Our debuffs alone are incredible, and often overlooked or not even recognized, because they dont throw numbers up, but rather allow ourselves and others to throw up more and better numbers.</P> <P>However, I suggest you go duel a brigand around your level, gear, and profficiency and see how many wins you trade off with him....  </P> <P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</P> <P>This was only one example...I can give a list of all the brigands and other classes I have defeated if you like...but it might take a while to type out all the detailes lol. Seriously though I do agree with you...there are many variables that come into play when dueling or combat in general. I have defeated equally equipped and equally proficient brigands to my swashy even some that are a few levels higher. </P> <P>Whats fun is challenging a heavily armored troll or ogre berzerker and dissecting them in seconds...they never expect it hehe. </P> <P>With the increase in attack speed alone any hunting party should welcome a swashy in an instant. I must also agree that the swashy has a distinct advantage when combating groups. As I stated earlier if a good swashy teams up with a good warlock...groups of heroic mobs better watch out! </P> <P>Thank you very much though for the constructive debate 9thArch I appreciate it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>While I think we'll agree to disagree that swashies pwn brigs across the board, debate <EM>is</EM> always good.  And fun.  And a way to entertain one that can't wait to roll outta work on a fine Friday afternoon...hehe    Thanx for the entertainment & I appreciate you're tact and good-naturedness about being called out on the carpet a bit also.  Now thats Swashy style! :smileywink:<BR>

[AegisCrown]

it can be assumed that parse wise in teh same grp a swashbuckler will out parse a brigand by 10-30% this is jsut because of our offesinve specials and such. but over all each class is worth your time.<div></div>

[Bardrick]

<blockquote><hr>9thArch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> FaithL wrote: <div></div> <p>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</p> <p>9thArch wrote:</p> <p>This is exactly what I said - you were basing this statement of theory from ONE of your personal experiences.  As stated before, and proven with your comment this is not an across the board fair comparison and results.  I agree with you completely that we can be quite an effective class.  Our debuffs alone are incredible, and often overlooked or not even recognized, because they dont throw numbers up, but rather allow ourselves and others to throw up more and better numbers.</p> <p>However, I suggest you go duel a brigand around your level, gear, and profficiency and see how many wins you trade off with him....  </p> <p>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___</p> <p>This was only one example...I can give a list of all the brigands and other classes I have defeated if you like...but it might take a while to type out all the detailes lol. Seriously though I do agree with you...there are many variables that come into play when dueling or combat in general. I have defeated equally equipped and equally proficient brigands to my swashy even some that are a few levels higher. </p> <p>Whats fun is challenging a heavily armored troll or ogre berzerker and dissecting them in seconds...they never expect it hehe. </p> <p>With the increase in attack speed alone any hunting party should welcome a swashy in an instant. I must also agree that the swashy has a distinct advantage when combating groups. As I stated earlier if a good swashy teams up with a good warlock...groups of heroic mobs better watch out! </p> <p>Thank you very much though for the constructive debate 9thArch I appreciate it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p> <hr> </blockquote>While I think we'll agree to disagree that swashies pwn brigs across the board, debate <em>is</em> always good.  And fun.  And a way to entertain one that can't wait to roll outta work on a fine Friday afternoon...hehe    Thanx for the entertainment & I appreciate you're tact and good-naturedness about being called out on the carpet a bit also.  Now thats Swashy style! :smileywink:<hr></blockquote> I just have to add my 2 cents to this post. I have made a frog swashie and came here to learn few tricks.  My main is a troll shadowknight.  I can tell you, I have dueled alot of swashies and win almost every time.  With you speed and my damage shield, procs, lifetaps, a pet, and my stuns, they just seem to widdle down.  Not in seconds, but it happens.  Your rapid swings can heal me as fast as they hurt you.    But when I duel a Brigade, they seem to have so many freakin interupts, I can't even get half my spells off, and forget about the long casting ones.  So I tend to die alot. My point?  It is kinda like paper, rock, sissers (spelling).  Every class is weak to other classes.  No class is perfect.  Play what you have fun with, or you will hate the game in short time.  Make alts, screw around.  And never ever screw with a Shadowknight with HT up =P. Trolls make the best lovers<div></div>

[Fait]

<DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bardrick wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just have to add my 2 cents to this post.<BR><BR>I have made a frog swashie and came here to learn few tricks.  My main is a troll shadowknight.  I can tell you, I have dueled alot of swashies and win almost every time.  With you speed and my damage shield, procs, lifetaps, a pet, and my stuns, they just seem to widdle down.  Not in seconds, but it happens.  Your rapid swings can heal me as fast as they hurt you.    But when I duel a Brigade, they seem to have so many freakin interupts, I can't even get half my spells off, and forget about the long casting ones.  So I tend to die alot.<BR><BR>My point?  It is kinda like paper, rock, sissers (spelling).  Every class is weak to other classes.  No class is perfect.  Play what you have fun with, or you will hate the game in short time.  Make alts, screw around.  And never ever screw with a Shadowknight with HT up =P.<BR><BR>Trolls make the best lovers</DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know a Troll who makes great food...but i aint sleepin with him hehe...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously though...I had a dual just last night against an effeicient shoadowknight of two levels higher then I...He fell relatively quickly to my blades. </DIV> <DIV>He was quite shocked by the whole event and afterward we got to talking. He was using several master level abilities as was I, and packed some legendary gear, as do I. I believe the reason that a shadowknight would have such a problem against a swashy is simple...swshy has much higher DPS...the Shadowknight burns through power way too fast and can easily have many of thier casting abilities interrupted where the swashy does not have that issue.</DIV>