Spongy Loam - Part Deux

[dagoo7]

<DIV>OK, now this is really starting to [Removed for Content] me off.  As I understand it our new t7 rare for Adept IIIs is spongy loam.  At 63, I have not had a pressing need to update any of my skills since change, but have quite a few in the near future.  On my server spongy loam is fluctuating between 6-8 p.  I have waited, hoping prices would come down post change and market would find a balance, but ain't happening.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why should we have to pay 6-8p for an Adept III when other archetypes can get Adept IIIs for around 2p or even less (e.g. acrylia, moonstone).  Am I missing something?  If not, are devs gonna do something about this imbalance?</DIV>

[danmuntz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dagoo7 wrote:<BR> <DIV>OK, now this is really starting to [Removed for Content] me off.  As I understand it our new t7 rare for Adept IIIs is spongy loam.  At 63, I have not had a pressing need to update any of my skills since change, but have quite a few in the near future.  On my server spongy loam is fluctuating between 6-8 p.  I have waited, hoping prices would come down post change and market would find a balance, but ain't happening.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why should we have to pay 6-8p for an Adept III when other archetypes can get Adept IIIs for around 2p or even less (e.g. acrylia, moonstone).  Am I missing something?  If not, are devs gonna do something about this imbalance?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You know what's starting to [Removed for Content] me off?  People like you who start stupid topics like this.  I have a VERY easy solution to your problem.</P> <P>Spongy Loam is 6-8 p on your server because obviously people are actually dumb enough to buy it at that price!  If people stopped buying it for that much, prices would eventually fall - it's called supply and demand.</P> <P>You're not ranting about paying 6-8 p for an Adept III, you're ranting about paying 6-8 p for Spongy Loam, the rare you need to have your Adept III's made.  If the actual Adept III's are 6-8 p on your server, well again it's because people are stupid enough to buy them at that price.</P> <P>Now I told you I have a very easy solution for your problem and here it is:</P> <P>If you don't like the price of the rares to have your Ad3's made, GO MINE THE ORE YOURSELF.  That's right, I said it... get off your lazy butt and go mine the rare!!</P><p>Message Edited by danmuntz on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:17 PM</span>

[AFBi]

<DIV><FONT size=2> <P>Wow, I’m guessing by that response that you two have a history.</P> <P>From what I read on another thread on another board, spongy loam is a very rare rare. </P> <P>I think Dagoo7 is just wondering why some rares are easier to find than others; it’s called game balance.</P> <P>I’m only level 40+ right now, but when/if I get to that level I would like there to be a balance so I can get my skill on par with other classes of equal level too.</P></FONT></DIV>

[dagoo7]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> danmuntz wrote: <P>You know what's starting to [Removed for Content] me off?  People like you who start stupid topics like this.  I have a VERY easy solution to your problem.</P> <P>Spongy Loam is 6-8 p on your server because obviously people are actually dumb enough to buy it at that price!  If people stopped buying it for that much, prices would eventually fall - it's called supply and demand.</P> <P>You're not ranting about paying 6-8 p for an Adept III, you're ranting about paying 6-8 p for Spongy Loam, the rare you need to have your Adept III's made.  If the actual Adept III's are 6-8 p on your server, well again it's because people are stupid enough to buy them at that price.</P> <P>Now I told you I have a very easy solution for your problem and here it is:</P> <P>If you don't like the price of the rares to have your Ad3's made, GO MINE THE ORE YOURSELF.  That's right, I said it... get off your lazy butt and go mine the rare!!</P> <P>Message Edited by danmuntz on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:17 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Settle the *&^% down Beavis.  Unfriggin' believable response.  Unlike you apparently I have a job and a life and have no time or desire to spend days spending harvesting rares.  And why the $#% should I have to, if every other archetype doesnt have to if they dont want to.  </P> <P>Your right in that it is an issue of supply and demand.  I and no one I know is paying that much for it.  However, for whatever reason they have made it so that spongy loam is a much more rare harvest and/or much harder to access areas where it can be mined.  Hence less supply.  Why should we have to suffer because our must have rare has significantly less supply.  I'm sure this is just not on my server either.  Do you even have a scout, anyways? </P> <P>Regardless, you're response is spastic, overwrought, and inane.  Take a few extra doses of Ritalin next time before you respond to a post.</P> <P>If anybody has a useful response or would like to add something constructive feel free to respond sanely and logically to the original post. </P> <P> </P> <P>PS I never heard of this guy before. So no history ... apparently just a spas.  </P><p>Message Edited by dagoo7 on <span class=date_text>05-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:14 AM</span>

[Mion da Peon]

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[danmuntz]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dagoo7 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Do you even have a scout, anyways? </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>No.</P> <P> </P> <DIV><BR></DIV>

[Davhanama]

<P>Hello all!</P> <P>I finally found my first spongy loam after 4-5 hours of harvesting.  Nice feeling of relief.  I can not comment on the prices on the broker, but I agree if we scouts pay 6-8 plat then the prices will stay there.  Same logic with buying master skills.  I do not have a problem with them being rare drops..otherwise every scout in the 60-70 range would have all Adept III skills..and what fun would that be.  Having a skill at Adept III or Master level should be an accomplishment.  I am proud of the fact that I can defeat some mobs with a mixture of Adept I, Adept III, Master I, and Master II skills.  I think the word <U>skill</U> is the important word here.</P> <P>I do not know why anyone (myself included) would want it to be easy for anyone to become "uber".</P> <P>One suggestion...if you are in a guild you can work out an exchange with some non-spongy users to trade rares.</P> <P>Peace, love, and good elven wine to all!</P> <P> </P>

[dagoo7]

<P>Not saying it should be easy to get.  However, there is clearly an imbalance in terms of availability of rares.  And this favors certain archetypes.  </P> <P>Regardless how one feels about it, people harvest for cash and put rares up on the market.  On any given day you can find several pages of acrylia/moonstone, etc. listed on broker and that supply drives the price down (in some cases below 2p).  Now basic rules of economics would seem to suggest that if someone is harvesting for cash, they would gravitate to spongy loam so that they could get 5-8p.  Over time these market forces would bring prices down and all the rares would be roughly the same price.  </P> <P>However, either because spongy loam is more rare and/or only located in places that it is extremely hard to get to/inefficient to harves, that is not happening.  That is an imbalance that raises costs to us.  And while its great to say that "well just go out and harvest it yourself" that is still a cost that has to be accounted.  According to economic forces, the market is pricing the "work" it takes to get spongy loam significantly higher.  So if one "spends" 5-8p worth of work to acquire the said rare and then uses it to make Adept III, it still costs us.   By using the rare, we are using up an asset which is priced higher by the market, and in using it up we lose that value. </P> <P>While its great that you have the time and desire to harvest to get your rares, there's many a week where I can only play 6-8 hours and spending that time harvesting is just incomprehensible for me.</P> <P>While our board visitor characterized my original post as a "rant", it was really more of an observation.  However, it does indicate something of an imbalance among archetypes when it comes to resources every class needs.  If those holds true for other servers, which I believe it does, it basically means that it "costs" more to play a scout, whether you buy your rares or harvest them.  And indeed that does suck to a certain degree, and probably not what devs intended when they redefined the adept III rares.</P>

[Davhanama]

<P>Dagoo,</P> <P>All very good points.  I guess since it is only spongy loams I have been looking for I have not looked into the costs of the other rares.  I did not mean to inply that you wanted it to be easy, just that it seems that many people do not want to have the game be easier.  People that do not have the time to be online alot should also be able to enjoy the game as much as those that have more time to spend online.</P> <P>It seems to me that all rares have become...well rarer.  The first week the expansion came out I found 4 rare roots..since then none.  I have yet to find a moonstone and have found 1 rare wood.  I do have 2 adept III's from moonstones, but those I got from collection quest rewards..same collection..one for me and one for my alt.  If the other 2 rares that can be used for Adept III's are actually dropping more..then something should be done to fix this situation.</P> <P>One intersting thing is that we scouts seem to be the lowest population overall as a basic class.  So it would stand to reason that is the supply was the same for all rares, spongy loam should have the lowest demand.  Hmmm..something to think about.</P> <P>Peace, love, and good elven wine</P> <P> </P>

[danmuntz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Davhanama wrote:<BR> <P>One intersting thing is that we scouts seem to be the lowest population overall as a basic class.  So it would stand to reason that is the supply was the same for all rares, spongy loam should have the lowest demand.  Hmmm..something to think about.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Scouts aren't the only class that use Spongy Loam for ad3's :smileywink:</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Belizarius]

<P>I agree there seems to be an issue with spell rares.</P> <P>On my server last time I checked the spongy loams were running about 4pp each, whereas moonstone was 1.5pp, acrylia was 1.2pp.</P> <P>In effect, my Mage (uses Acrylia) can afford to upgrade every new T7 spell to Adept III pretty much straight away, whilst my wife's Scout struggles to afford any.  It doesn't seem balanced to me.  I pity most the poor tanks who also have to get their armour up to scratch for T7 as a priority.</P> <P>To be honest, the imbalance is probably that Mage/Priest rares are too cheap, but I don't want <EM>that</EM> changed until after I ding 70...</P>

[Zygwen]

Back when they initialy announced that Scouts would move from moonstones to loams I posted that this would be a bad idea unless they re-adjusted the drop rates but my post fell on deaf ears. Guess we'll just have to suck it up and deal with it or complain more than wizards to get this fixed. Fortunately for me, I got all my upgrades already but still it sucks that they make these balance changes without looking and the big picture. <div></div>

[MaestroX]

Spongy has doubled in price on most servers, mostly due to the fact that it's demand has doubled by adding Scout AD3 to the list of uses.  Moonstone has dropped in price because it has dropped from four uses to only two, priest ad3 and caster jewelry.  Acrylia went from 15g to 1.5P on my server overnight by adding Mage ad 3 to it's limited usefullness.  Now my set of acrylia stat jewelry looks extravagant, but I really paid less than a plat for the six pieces.

[wushupork]

Yes, keep in mind, all fighters have to use spongy loam for their Adept3s too. I know as a Monk I wasn't too happy seeing the change as even before scouts would use them they were hard to come by, and expensive.

[Zygwen]

Last night on my server only 4 people where selling spongy loams on brokers at 5+ plat vs dozens selling acrylia at under 2 plat and also dozens more selling moonstones for under 2 plat. It is actualy cheaper for me to buy some master 1s than buying spongy loams. Things are obviously balanced. <div></div>