Field Test 1 Hander VS Duel Wield ... please read

[Twiztd]

<div></div><div></div>ok i might as well start off as saying i really dont browse the boards as much as i should so im sorry if someone has done this already... im a very open minded person, so when my fellow swashie told me that it was better to 1 hand then DW... i switched, but something in the back of my head said... well what is really better... so i thought i would go out and do a nice test.... Zone: Deserted Mines... Tremblar Group: Bezerker, Fury, 2 Swashbucklers (myself and Rainwyn) Buffs: only group buffs as to not give one another an edge. Weapons:  Rainwyn - The Doomrage Blade - dmg 25-76, dmg rating 63.1, delay 1.6                                        Twiztd    - Oblivion's Edge - dmg 24-72, dmg rating 60.2, delay 1.6                                   - Grizfazzle's Dirk - dmg 29-54, dmg rating 52.1, delay 1.6 Poisons: Both of us ran... Translucent Adeste's Disruption, dmg 432 & 71 instantly, 71 every 6 sec. Stats: Both had capped STR, 450 agi, and around 50 Int & 100 wis                                                                       And the parse...... <img src="http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7568/parse4ea.jpg">  A couple of other facts : Rainwyn proc'd his poisons exatcly twice as much as i did                                         Rainwyn did on average about 70 more damage a hit Combat:  going all out.... Every CA was spammed...both Rain and I have about the same masters for t7... the only ones i know we dont have are                                               Inspiration, Lucky Ploy, & Dauntless Advance..                                         AA's:           <u>Both</u>             Wisdom line 4 4 4 8                               <u>Rainwyn</u>            Strength line 4 4 4 6                    <u>Twiztd</u>            Strength line 4 4 4 3  In conclusion... 1 Hander FTW!!!!!! If anyone has any information they wanted to know.. post and i will update it as soon as i can.. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Twiztd on <span class=date_text>04-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:28 AM</span>

[SageGaspar]

Also, bear in mind that your dual wields are nicer proportionally than his one-hander. That one in your mainhand I'd imagine is fabled or very high legendary, as it's almost approaching the damage rating of his one-hander.So with an equally nice one-hander the disparity would be even higher.<div></div>

[the flu]

While impressive, one fight really isn't enough to prove anything- you really need to repeat this several times and at the very least compare average, min, and max  dps (more statistics are better of course). I would say you want several hours of data on similer level and difficulty mobs. I know my dps varies significanlty from fight to fight.<div></div>

[Krontak]

I went 1 hander from day 1 of expansion and couldn't imagine going back to duel wield.  Just looks better imho.  Heck, I was even using a 1 hander before I had double attack beefed up just for the look of it.

[Rokjin]

<P>AA specs? Auto-attack only, or full CA use, skill differences?</P> <P>There's a lot of things you are ignoring in this..</P>

[Twiztd]

updated the post for the more information <div></div>

[the flu]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>AA's:           <u>Both</u>             Wisdom line 4 4 4 8                               <u>Rainwyn</u>            Strength line 4 4 4 6                    <u>Twiztd</u>            Strength line 4 4 4 3 <div></div><p>Message Edited by Twiztd on <span class="date_text">04-17-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:28 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Slightly unfair here- the dw swash only had the benifit of half of their aa points- the widom line is useless if you are dw. I'm not sure this is a valid comparison. You definatly need to keep the str lines as equal as possible, but effectivly one hand swash has 38 points spent where as the dw swash only has 19. I would suggest doing this again (or as posted previously, a much more in depth test) with the dw swash using the str and agil lines (the other pure dps lines). Edit- properly geared for that aa, of course. edit 2: Note to self: do not call both swashes wisdom swash.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by the fluke on <span class="date_text">04-17-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:03 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by the fluke on <span class=date_text>04-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:06 PM</span>

[rainwynshad]

<div></div>Quote:Slightly unfair here- the dw swash only had the benifit of half of their aa points- the widom line is useless if you are dw. I'm not sure this is a valid comparison. You definatly need to keep the str lines as equal as possible, but effectivly one hand swash has 38 points spent where as the dw swash only has 19. I would suggest   doing this again (or as posted previously, a much more in depth test) with the dw swash using the str and agil lines (the other pure dps lines). Edit- properly Geared for that aa, of course. edit 2: Note to self: do not call both swashes wisdom swash.<img src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" border="0" height="16" width="16">End Quote:The test my not be perfectand yes it could be better. but i believe it proves what we were trying to prove.If we were to respec the the other swashy into agil AA, and max out the back stab AA This would not make up for the DPS of the one-hander double attack and increase procs. in fact it wouldn't t even close and here is why, for this fight.Proc_rate*number_of_hits = number_of_procsRainwyn proced about 40k damage in poison with 74 procs, With a total number of melee attacks around  530.74/530 = 13.9% around 14%.giving us a proc rate of around 14% nerf from the 25% it should be.Twiztd did 20k. with 36 procs. twiztd had a total number of melee hits 500 hits, his is less because spend more time using skills, he had more power regen.But since the proc only goes off the main hand weapon, which is half the hits. soo comes out to the same proc rate only counting the main handsoo he only has 250 procable hits.36/250 = 14.4% same rate as above but half the hit that can proc it... so less damage over allSoo one-handers proc more. twice as much.Now if we add in the damage from the agi line. Avest ya. is the only that will make a different in DPS.Max it has the follow statsThe priate stabs as a 16% proc raid, and lets 150-250 damage. average it at 200.Soo twizted would have hit  .16* 250 = 40 times. for an extra 40*200 = 8k, more damage.This is assuming SoE didn't nerf it's proc rate along with that of the poisons.This still leaves him around 60k damage behide.The different would be better if i had a one-hander on par with twiztd duel wields. and as many master as he do. all my back stabs are master. but most of my other hits are adept 3.Soo yes the respec would help. but it wouldn't help enough to make up the different. Not by a long shot.One-handers are better. at least untill SoE nerfs them for us swashy.<div></div>

[Geero]

<DIV>Wha???  To my knowledge Wis line skills can be only usable with 2nd slot empty.  By Wis line using 2 DW weapon, you aren't using double attack...</DIV> <DIV>Meaning if you guys are both Wis line, person with 2 dw weapon is totally ignoring wis line AP skills.</DIV>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Geero wrote:<div>Wha???  To my knowledge Wis line skills can be only usable with 2nd slot empty.  By Wis line using 2 DW weapon, you aren't using double attack...</div> <div>Meaning if you guys are both Wis line, person with 2 dw weapon is totally ignoring wis line AP skills.</div><hr></blockquote>True, but I doubt that the remaining fairly small chance to proc a critical, or the Avast Ye proc, or any of the extra attacks are going to add up to another 200 DPS. Certainly not an ideal simulation, though.</div>

[rainwynshad]

geero learn to read please. i'm giving you the number if we swich the DW to agi line. from Wisdom. i know DW doesn't get the double attacks. <div></div>

[Geero]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rainwynshadow wrote:<BR>geero learn to read please.<BR><BR>i'm giving you the number if we swich the DW to agi line. from Wisdom. i know DW doesn't get the double attacks. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Rain, don't jump to conclusion?  Did I said anything about your name?</P> <P>I was pointing out how this dps from OP doesn't really show anything since test set up is wrong.<BR></P>

[Geero]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SageGaspar wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Geero wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wha???  To my knowledge Wis line skills can be only usable with 2nd slot empty.  By Wis line using 2 DW weapon, you aren't using double attack...</DIV> <DIV>Meaning if you guys are both Wis line, person with 2 dw weapon is totally ignoring wis line AP skills.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>True, but I doubt that the remaining fairly small chance to proc a critical, or the Avast Ye proc, or any of the extra attacks are going to add up to another 200 DPS. Certainly not an ideal simulation, though.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I know from my experience that 1h with wis line does more dps from dw.  But if he wasn't wis line and if he did use other AP line that was actually help DW, it could have been closer.

[Carna]

The stack of the AAs unfortunately cripples the usefulness of this test as a comparison.