Looking for a fun melee class.. Brig or Swashie?

[Mooncr]

I am relatively new to EQ2 and played a bard in EQ1 for a long time.  So I went to a DPS class to start with this time around, but the warlock is severly lacking in utilty for me.  Hence the question of a Brig or Swashie for my next class.  Any feed back here?<div></div>

[Carna]

<div></div><p>Do you enjoy having to position yourself for attacks or not?... Brigand have far more positional attacks, and that is likely to have the largest impact on your gameplay between the two.</p><p>Myself... yes, I actually enjoy having to use positional attack. It forces me to be more engaged in the combat... the rest tends to be detail.</p>

[Shiverr]

<div></div><p>Brigands are uber.  They have the Hamburglar Hat of Healing and are way tuffer than us.  We are, once again, best at <em>making pimento sandwiches</em>.  Unless that nerfing down to watercress happens in LU21.</p><p>Go Brigand if you want to be different and better at melee.  Brigand FTW!</p><p> </p>

[dagoo7]

<div></div><p>Based on my limited experience with brigand, I think its fair to say that brigands are slightly better w/ single targets and swashies have a significant edge with aoe.  Brigands also have a few abilities that allow them to lock down single targets slightly better than us and probably slightly better single target dps. </p><p>Both are excellent dps, but if you're looking for pure dps, rangers and assassins will always be better, they generally (post ranger changes at least) need to be in groups to deal that kind of dps consistently.  I really like the swashie because I tend to solo alot and its mostly straight up in your face melee dps with a bit of finesse.  Much can probably be said for the brigand as well.</p>

[Belizarius]

<div></div><p>Both are good classes, good dps and nice utility.  You'd probably behappy with either.  Do you want to be good or evil?</p><p> </p>

[Locke-]

you could always play a conjuror.they have great dps and a pet and lots of neat abilities and utility.

[Purg]

<div></div><p>both are good,</p><p>i perfer aoes so went with swashy.</p><p>Very verstailte class can light tank, can dps, when tanking with a swashy you don't loose too much aps.</p><p>both share a very good ap path interesting and well thought out.</p><p>A well equiped swashy can solo well, plus u have good debuffs, group invis and evac, i find them a lot more fun than my assasin i deleted.</p><p>Personally my swashy is et up to light tank, even though i haven't picked many ap pionts, i have as many hp as a paly my level, mitigation is good because of legendary chain, can keep agro with my one taunt and high dps, good fun.</p>

[Mooncr]

well from what I have read here (thanks all that contributed) and in the Brig forum.  I went Swashie.  I like the AE and mez.Thanks all!<div></div>

[dagoo7]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Mooncrow wrote:well from what I have read here (thanks all that contributed) and in the Brig forum.  I went Swashie.  I like the AE and mez.Thanks all!<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, I hope you weren't hoping to get any useful, helpful, or friendly guidance from the brigand board.  If you want accurate info on a brigand you should just play one.  The posters on the brigand board seem to believe they have a vested interest in scaring people away and often serve heaping helpings of disinformation and dismissiveness so they can keep their "uber-hip" class all to themselves.<p>Message Edited by dagoo7 on <span class="date_text">03-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:46 AM</span></p>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<div></div><div></div><p>Brigands got teh nerfbat, we r teh sux now, be a swashie kthnx?</p><p>And it's not that we want our "uber" (not really since AR got nerfed, now it breaks on damage, but guess what? half of all T7 epics have a damage sheild now, thanks a bundle, devs.) class to ourselfs, we just like our adepts cheap.</p><p>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <span class="date_text">03-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:20 AM</span></p>

[Carna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>dagoo7 wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Mooncrow wrote:well from what I have read here (thanks all that contributed) and in the Brig forum.  I went Swashie.  I like the AE and mez.Thanks all!<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, I hope you weren't hoping to get any useful, helpful, or friendly guidance from the brigand board.  If you want accurate info on a brigand you should just play one.  The posters on the brigand board seem to believe they have a vested interest in scaring people away and often serve heaping helpings of disinformation and dismissiveness so they can keep their "uber-hip" class all to themselves.<p>Message Edited by dagoo7 on <span class="date_text">03-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:46 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>If we wanted to play nice we'd be Swashbucklers... we chose Brigands, so I guess we're ummm, nasty and stuff.... arrrghh!</p><p>We're the people that got fed up with the...</p><div><em><font color="#ffff00">As a new Brigand perhaps someone can help me with choose primary and secondary attributes. Since I do primarily solo play, but always interested in grps. What do people reccommend?</font></em></div><p>...that's currently in our forum; which amounts to <em>"I can't be bothered to find out even the basics of my class, would you please spoonfeed me?"</em>.... We have the Swashbuckler class for people like that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Disgruntled and ill-humoured people have the freedom to express themselves too... and for those we have the Brigand class.</p>

[Ds]

Like many posters on these boards, attempting to take queues from old-school say, Fires of Heaven, or Township rebellion posters and characters of legend (see also: Poseur ™) and in an effort to portray as large an [Removed for Content] as possible - many folks will appear "fed up" with helping new players, and simply ridicule them in an effort to make themselves appear superior in some way.E-Cliques for the RL disenfranchised. Repositories of previously bullied and beat down kids who are attempting in some pathetic way to polish the [Removed for Content] that is their RL by thumbing their noses at any seeking guidance and help.<div></div>

[Shiverr]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:Like many posters on these boards, attempting to take queues from old-school say, Fires of Heaven, or Township rebellion posters and characters of legend (see also: Poseur ™) and in an effort to portray as large an [Removed for Content] as possible - many folks will appear "fed up" with helping new players, and simply ridicule them in an effort to make themselves appear superior in some way.E-Cliques for the RL disenfranchised. Repositories of previously bullied and beat down kids who are attempting in some pathetic way to polish the [Removed for Content] that is their RL by thumbing their noses at any seeking guidance and help.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Blah Blah Blah.  And.... some self-righteous people hiding behind keybords that have been scorned in like fashion make posts like this to make pokes and cuts at others, when they have in fact just defined <em>themselves and their own</em> behaviors subconsciously in a horrid and masochistic self-revealing manner.</div><div> </div><div>Even so, perhaps thats the case from time to time...and perhaps not.</div><div> </div><div>Perhaps that is part of the culture of this game specific to that class.  Prehaps its merely a fun or expressive way of carrying out some orneriness of the brigand class (as ought be) and a humorous part of this particular game-forum.  Perhaps its a brilliant way of protecting a society or sect from the dreaded nerf-bat.</div><div> </div><div>I'd never want to admit it, but a lot of amusement is to be had at the hands of the hamburglars.  I imagine some of them would think likewise, or just handle it in an appropriately thuggish manner for such wanton upper-crusted overtalk.</div><div> </div><div>I bid you  "robble-robble," and a good day.  :smileywink:</div><div> </div>

[the flu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>9thArch wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:Like many posters on these boards, attempting to take queues from old-school say, Fires of Heaven, or Township rebellion posters and characters of legend (see also: Poseur ™) and in an effort to portray as large an [Removed for Content] as possible - many folks will appear "fed up" with helping new players, and simply ridicule them in an effort to make themselves appear superior in some way.E-Cliques for the RL disenfranchised. Repositories of previously bullied and beat down kids who are attempting in some pathetic way to polish the [Removed for Content] that is their RL by thumbing their noses at any seeking guidance and help.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Blah Blah Blah.  And.... some self-righteous people hiding behind keybords that have been scorned in like fashion make posts like this to make pokes and cuts at others, when they have in fact just defined <em>themselves and their own</em> behaviors subconsciously in a horrid and masochistic self-revealing manner.</div><div> </div><div>Even so, perhaps thats the case from time to time...and perhaps not.</div><div> </div><div>Perhaps that is part of the culture of this game specific to that class.  Prehaps its merely a fun or expressive way of carrying out some orneriness of the brigand class (as ought be) and a humorous part of this particular game-forum.  Perhaps its a brilliant way of protecting a society or sect from the dreaded nerf-bat.</div><div> </div><div>I'd never want to admit it, but a lot of amusement is to be had at the hands of the hamburglars.  I imagine some of them would think likewise, or just handle it in an appropriately thuggish manner for such wanton upper-crusted overtalk.</div><div> </div><div>I bid you  "robble-robble," and a good day.  :smileywink:</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>And in some cases, it's new users who don't  rtfm , asking the same question that has been asked a thousand times before (often just halfway down the first page of the forums).  Copying and pasting answers gets old afer a while, you have to spice it up some sometimes.</span></div>

[overfloat]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>Do you enjoy having to position yourself for attacks or not?... Brigand have far more positional attacks, and that is likely to have the largest impact on your gameplay between the two.</p><hr></blockquote>How many positional attacks do brigands get? I was under the impression is was only about 5 or 6 (bearing in mind swashbuckler have 4, plus two AEs which certainly require positioning).

[overfloat]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:Like many posters on these boards, attempting to take queues from old-school say, Fires of Heaven, or Township rebellion posters and characters of legend (see also: Poseur ™) and in an effort to portray as large an [Removed for Content] as possible - many folks will appear "fed up" with helping new players, and simply ridicule them in an effort to make themselves appear superior in some way.E-Cliques for the RL disenfranchised. Repositories of previously bullied and beat down kids who are attempting in some pathetic way to polish the [Removed for Content] that is their RL by thumbing their noses at any seeking guidance and help.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>And those who post solely to ridicule the ridiculers (yes that's a word...) are far superior?</p><p>Can't say I blame people for making light of the questions sometimes. We do see the same highly generalised questions here over and over and over and over again, and we post the same responses over and over and over and over again, and it's not as if the information is particularly tricky to find with a little time and effort. And yes, you can find lots of relevant information using search, contrary to the claims of many first time posters trying to debunk that advice. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ds]

The search function is nearly useless, and you all know it.Outdated information, often year + old.If you are tired of being so put upon, point those new to the class to an up-to date FAQ or spell / CA list.If there isn't one, and you don't want to help - might I suggest not posting at all  instead of doing your best to alienate them while attempting to fall back on the "look at me, I'm Roleplaying on a message board" crap<div></div>

[SageGaspar]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>overfloater wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>Do you enjoy having to position yourself for attacks or not?... Brigand have far more positional attacks, and that is likely to have the largest impact on your gameplay between the two.</p><hr></blockquote>How many positional attacks do brigands get? I was under the impression is was only about 5 or 6 (bearing in mind swashbuckler have 4, plus two AEs which certainly require positioning).<hr size="2" width="100%">Plus hurricane, for which if you don't have every mob in your frontal arc at all times you're losing DPS. I've heard Swash described as less positioning or more fire and forget than assassins and brigs, but it's not until you hit the 50s and get Inspired Daring and Hurricane that a bunch of subtleties come into play.</blockquote></span></div>

[overfloat]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr>Dsym wrote:The search function is nearly useless, and you all know it.<hr></blockquote><p>Like I said, the search function is far from useless, but people just love to say it's useless so they don't have to pull their thumbs out of their backsides and research for themselves. Thanks for reinforcing my point.</p><p>In less than 90 seconds of searching, based on the simple criteria "swashbuckler brigand difference" (clever, huh?) and variations thereof, I turned up:</p><ul><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=32&message.id=2027" target="_blank">Differences between Brigand and Swashbuckler, charted</a></li><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=32&message.id=1953" target="_blank">Difference between swash and brigand?</a></li><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=32&message.id=2077" target="_blank">Brigand Vs. Swashbuckler (Playstyle differences)</a></li><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=7324" target="_blank">Looking for some info on the Swashbuckler </a></li><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=8961&query.id=24193#M8961" target="_blank">Swashy vs Brig?</a></li><li><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=8851" target="_blank">What is the Swashy all about?</a></li></ul><p>And yes, all of those are current and relevant. None are out of date.</p><p> </p><blockquote><p></p><hr>Outdated information, often year + old.<hr></blockquote><p>Sort by date.</p><p>Wow, I must be a frickin' genius to have thought of that little trick. I even amaze myself sometimes. *swoon*</p><blockquote><p></p><p></p><hr>If you are tired of being so put upon, point those new to the class to an up-to date FAQ or spell / CA list.<hr></blockquote><p>What, you mean like a thread called <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=33&message.id=6733" target="_blank">Every Swashy skill, and it's progression</a>? One that might, perchance, be stickied at the top of this forum?</p><p>And, for our Freeportian cousins, mayhap a couple called <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=4531" target="_blank">Brigand Skill List V2.20.4 (Some new T7 CAs, Ad1, Ad3 & M1/2)</a> and perhaps  <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=8597" target="_blank">Brigand Guide</a>? Also exhibiting that certain stickiness?</p><p> </p><p>Maybe we should put up another sticky saying "RTFStickies"?</p><p> </p><blockquote dir="ltr"><hr>If there isn't one, and you don't want to help - might I suggest not posting at all<hr></blockquote><p>Thanks for the advice there, Monsieur Hypocrite.</p><p>And while we're at it, who do you think has been populating these forums with discussion about and comparisons of the subclasses and their skills and balance for the last 16 months? I certainly don't see much in the way of constructive posts from you, Captain 29 Posts.  Actually make that 27, because at least two (that's nearly 7% of your total post count) were unconstructive whines in this thread... about people leaving unconstructive posts. The irony probably should be sweet, but for some reason it's just d*mn irritating.</p><p> </p><p>FYI, some people post on these boards for entertainment, just to goof off and have fun. We're not librarians paid to do your homework for you and cater to your every whim. If people choose to tease, or just poke in-jokes at each other (which is what most of the joking posts are, rather than actually making fun of the newbie), then that's their prerogative. While you're on your high horse telling people their business, Herr Do-As-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do, how about manning up and helping the guy yourself? Oh no, far easier to make catcalls from the peanut gallery, thanks. I can't imagine why nobody values your opinion either here or on the one Brigand thread you decided to leave your mark on, Commandant Never-Posted-In-The-Swashbuckler-Forum-Before.</p><p>So, now that you've elicited a valid response to the OP, will you stick around and share your wisdom with us all? Or will you just browse the boards looking for someone else sneer at, Senor Trolly McFlameBait?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>...</p><p> </p><p>I really shouldn't post when I'm tired and narky.</p><p> </p><p>To the OP: hope those links help. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> There's some great discussion on those threads (and the charted comparison is great) and all of it is still relevant, bar a couple of skill tweaks.</p>

[Ds]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr> <p>I really shouldn't post when I'm tired and narky.</p><p> </p><p>To the OP: hope those links help. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> There's some great discussion on those threads (and the charted comparison is great) and all of it is still relevant, bar a couple of skill tweaks.</p><hr></blockquote>There was that so hard? Help those who ask, and put to rest the tired "we're veteran  (insert class here) ; tired of newbies coming to our house asking for help without searching blah blah ad nauseum..The forum search engine is horrible, as is the results format - that search no more took you seconds than your recent trip to uranus.With the FAQ comment - merely pointing a new player in the right direction is fine, stickied information or otherwise - such was the point, missed as it was.</span><span>What the devil does post count have to do with the price of tea in China?As to: " </span>FYI, some people post on these boards for entertainment "Fantastic, this being a game and all - how about we not do it at other's expense? Particularly those new to the game, seeking  help.And, your list of articles should be in the / an  FAQ.<span></span></div>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<blockquote><hr>overfloater wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>Do you enjoy having to position yourself for attacks or not?... Brigand have far more positional attacks, and that is likely to have the largest impact on your gameplay between the two.</p><hr></blockquote>How many positional attacks do brigands get? I was under the impression is was only about 5 or 6 (bearing in mind swashbuckler have 4, plus two AEs which certainly require positioning).<hr></blockquote><p>Brigands get the following for positionals:</p><p>Stab line (Back/flank with small dot)Rake (Huge [Removed for Content] debuff)Debilitate (see above)Dispatch (even huger [Removed for Content] debuff)Gambit (small flank/back with small reuse)Waylay (front/flank only, parry debuff)Erm... can't get ingame to find name but that one line with the sword and the green fire on it, back only with a big dotDouble up CAN require positioning as well, if you want to mainly use it for the big debuffs, although usually it ends up being used on elude and hideaway for more hate reduction.</p><p>Plus band of thugs, which in raiding, is a total waste of time to cast anywhere other than from the back.</p><p>Needless to say, I recognize an enemy from their back faster than from their front.</p>

[overfloat]

<div></div><div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:<div></div><span><div>There was that so hard?<hr></div></blockquote><div>No, it wasn't. Which was exactly my point, thanks for agreeing. Either the new guy could have helped himself or you could have done so in the time it took you to berate us all.</div><blockquote><div></div><div><hr></div><div>The forum search engine is horrible, as is the results format - that search no more took you seconds than your recent trip to uranus.</div><div><hr></div></blockquote><div>The search engine isn't the greatest but it's certainly not the worst I've ever used (ever tried ezboard?), and it's certainly not difficult to turn up common results. And, like you said, people have asked the brigand vs. swashbuckler question ad nauseam, so there's plenty of information there to find. I'm sorry you seem to have such difficulty using a simple search function. Maybe I should write a search engine FAQ to help you too? And yes, it took me less than a minute and a half from the moment I typed in my first search criteria to locate all those links.</div><blockquote><div><hr></span>Fantastic, this being a game and all - how about we not do it at other's expense? Particularly those new to the game, seeking  help.<hr></div></blockquote><div>Noone was having fun at other people's expense. It didn't cost the OP a dime to ask, and it didn't cost them a dime or any grief or upset to receive no proper feedback immediately. Nobody was making fun of the OP, laughing at him for being a newbie, etc. They were just goofing off and making in-jokes, perhaps because they didn't have the time or inclination to go doing someone else's research or write a huge long post to a very open ended question right at that moment.</div><div> </div><div>If I ask you an incredibly open-ended question, would you automatically drop everything to answer it for me? I certainly hope so, by the way you're judging everyone else.</div></div>

[overfloat]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:<p>Brigands get the following for positionals:</p><p>Stab line (Back/flank with small dot)Rake (Huge [Removed for Content] debuff)Debilitate (see above)Dispatch (even huger [Removed for Content] debuff)Gambit (small flank/back with small reuse)Waylay (front/flank only, parry debuff)Erm... can't get ingame to find name but that one line with the sword and the green fire on it, back only with a big dotDouble up CAN require positioning as well, if you want to mainly use it for the big debuffs, although usually it ends up being used on elude and hideaway for more hate reduction.</p><p>Plus band of thugs, which in raiding, is a total waste of time to cast anywhere other than from the back.</p><p>Needless to say, I recognize an enemy from their back faster than from their front.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Thanks for the info. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Sounds like you're pretty much in the same situation as us. Technically more attacks with positional requirements, which sucks if the mob ends up facing you, but all but one are rear/flanking and a couple (I think?) have significant recast time (I know that big [Removed for Content] debuff does, which is a shame! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). Like us, once you're set in position behind the mob in a group you only have one single-target attack that requires further maneuvering (frontal). The rest of swashbuckler maneuvering is for our two blue AEs and Hurricane, both to maximise damage and avoid out-of-encounter aggro.</p><p>I'd say swashbucklers probably require more moving around in group, whereas brigands need to coordinate stuns to move around more while soloing so they can use rear arc attacks.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by overfloater on <span class="date_text">03-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:03 AM</span></p>

[Ds]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><div><div> </div><div>If I ask you an incredibly open-ended question, would you automatically drop everything to answer it for me? I certainly hope so, by the way you're judging everyone else.</div></div><hr>Sure would - if I had the benefit of a year or more experience with something, and it would help save someone else time and effort discovering what they're attempting to do really isn't their thing? You bet. I certainly would not - and mind you this is directed at those boards where 'vets' band together to defend their turf against newcomers like .. well I think this sums it up best <a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank">here  </a>This happens on many forums, not singling one out over another. To simply state: search function kthxbye noob - and wander off while humming teh noob <a href="http://www.purepwnage.com/music.html" target="_blank">song</a>  is just .. well this is a dead horse, and a derailed thread.Help, or don't. Clique reinforcing turf defense doesn't help anyone. Hate to break it to those folks, and we've all seen it before - its been done. Old. Tired. Put it to rest. Much like this discussion.<a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank"></a></blockquote></span></div>

[Carna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:<div></div><div><span><blockquote><div><div> </div><div>If I ask you an incredibly open-ended question, would you automatically drop everything to answer it for me? I certainly hope so, by the way you're judging everyone else.</div></div><hr>Sure would - if I had the benefit of a year or more experience with something, and it would help save someone else time and effort discovering what they're attempting to do really isn't their thing? You bet. I certainly would not - and mind you this is directed at those boards where 'vets' band together to defend their turf against newcomers like .. well I think this sums it up best <a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank">here  </a>This happens on many forums, not singling one out over another. To simply state: search function kthxbye noob - and wander off while humming teh noob <a href="http://www.purepwnage.com/music.html" target="_blank">song</a>  is just .. well this is a dead horse, and a derailed thread.Help, or don't. Clique reinforcing turf defense doesn't help anyone. Hate to break it to those folks, and we've all seen it before - its been done. Old. Tired. Put it to rest. Much like this discussion.<a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank"></a></blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote>Did you contribute any information on topic to the thread? No, you didn't. So please, take your agenda elsewhere we're not even remotely interested in it around here.

[Luk]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dsym wrote:<div></div><div><span><blockquote><div><div> </div><div>If I ask you an incredibly open-ended question, would you automatically drop everything to answer it for me? I certainly hope so, by the way you're judging everyone else.</div></div><hr>Sure would - if I had the benefit of a year or more experience with something, and it would help save someone else time and effort discovering what they're attempting to do really isn't their thing? You bet. I certainly would not - and mind you this is directed at those boards where 'vets' band together to defend their turf against newcomers like .. well I think this sums it up best <a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank">here  </a>This happens on many forums, not singling one out over another. To simply state: search function kthxbye noob - and wander off while humming teh noob <a href="http://www.purepwnage.com/music.html" target="_blank">song</a>  is just .. well this is a dead horse, and a derailed thread.Help, or don't. Clique reinforcing turf defense doesn't help anyone. Hate to break it to those folks, and we've all seen it before - its been done. Old. Tired. Put it to rest. Much like this discussion.<a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm" target="_blank"></a></blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote><p>I feel quite insulted by this, I have been playing my Swashy for well over a year, played it all through the time that we were a gimped class I really hate that we were a flavour of the month class and had every twit that had to play the best class come here and demand that we tell them how to play. This game is an adventure, a major part of that adventure is learning the ins and outs of your chosen class. The style and finesse needed to play a Swashy is not something that can be taught, its something you either have or you don't.</p><p>I try to be the best Swashy I can be, I go out with friends and try new things constantly to see if they will make me better at what I do, I have respeced my AA's 4 times, not to get the most DPS out of them, but to see which suits my play style best, and suits the raiding atmosphere.</p><p>Someone came here a few weeks ago and for their first post ever on the SOE forums, they demanded to know how to play a Swashy, this really got up my nose, these kinds of people are the ones that always take from a community but never give anything in return, there are alot of people that play Swahies that go out of their way to post useful and constructive information on these forums, then there are the others that come here which just take up space.</p><p>I have said in many other threads, if you have style and finesse look at a Swashy, if you are a thug (which I suspect from your posts) then go play a Brigand.</p><p>Also, on the question would I drop everything to answer someone, no I wouldn't, however in saying that, when I take the time to visit the forums, then I also take the time to answer threads that I feel warrant an answer from me and that I have something to say about. Honestly, telling someone to search the forums cause there is already 10 threads on this topic is not something that I warrant as being worth my time. I am not referring to the forum search function here, I am talking about going down the list of topics and doing a manual search, it really is not that hard. Now that I have that off my chest, time to go kill stuff.</p><p>Message Edited by Licit on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:28 PM</span></p>

[Carna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Licit wrote:<p>I have said in many other threads, if you have style and finesse look at a Swashy, if you are a thug (which I suspect from your posts) then go play a Brigand.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Don't confuse classes with people. And really, try not to characterise people by the class they play as you really do risk being offensive.</p><p>I play a Brigand. This doesn't mean I'm a thug. As it happens I'm a middle aged computer programmer, and very far from being a thug.</p>

[Luk]

<div></div>Sorry Carnagh, no offense intended, the comment is not directed at people that play a particular class, but rather at people that come here begging to be told what class to play.

[Carna]

<div></div>Fair comment mate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wildfury77]

<div></div>My swashie is a "mercenary", Sword+shield - well equipped.......but none the less a bit of a "thug" <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />All i need is a nice fabled tier 6 axe......to complete my thuggish appearance......<div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class="date_text">03-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:05 AM</span></p>