cheap shot not working the way it did.

[Trollb]

<div>As of yesterday I could land both my back shots once i put cheap shot down.</div><div> </div><div>Now, i cannot land either.</div><div> </div><div>Tried on several mobs of several cons. Had zero lag.</div><div> </div><div>Nothing. No luck.</div><div> </div><div>What gives? Is it just me? Did I just have bad luck or attack the wrong kind of mobs (before this it stuck on everything i encountered that i can remember).</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[morningmists]

<div>stealth nerf, description apparently says 1 second now</div>

[Trollb]

<div>holy smokes that better be a bug. It ruins us utterly because we cant get any positionals in a solo match.</div><div> </div><div>Maybe its just a pass through due to pvp, but it sure seems like even my level 6 brigand was getting his shots in; yet on my level 41 swash i couldnt even get 1 to hit.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[morningmists]

<div></div>from what I'm gathering some monk bruiser and brigand stuns were changed to 1 second too

[Trollb]

<div>yes, well since cheap shot is the same spell as what brigands get, thats no surprise.</div><div> </div><div>The surprise is it was totally unannounced, and furthermore, completely jams rogues in terms of being able to solo and use their positionals.</div><div> </div><div>This better be a mistake or my bank is going to be refunding KoS in a rude way.</div>

[Bishop]

<div></div><p>This change was done in LU#19 I think.</p><p> </p><p>Basically cheap shot will stun a no arrow even con mob long enough for me to get 3 positionals off.</p><p>1-2 up mob I can get 1 rear off and with a 3up it's 50/50 to getting a rear off.</p><p> </p><p>Verified this last night on my swashie that was getting his rear off on non arrow mobs.</p>

[ophidius]

<div></div>Our Flashy Throw was apparently slapped down to one second as well. Not sure about our other stuns as I can't get on now. I heard on the Bruiser forums, at least, that their stuns were effected. Is your Shanghai line intact?EDIT: Spelling.<div></div><p>Message Edited by ophidius on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:32 PM</span></p>

[Keldo]

Its a display bug, shanghai says 1 sec but it still actually works for 4 seconds.I've had no issues at all with cheap shot, so I'm not sure what the issue is. <div></div>

[ophidius]

I've got some people saying it's a display bug and unchanged, and others saying they've used their stuns and they're working for one second as indicated, and I'm away from home and unable to check for myself until Friday, so I'm just gonna flip out now! <span>:smileysurprised:</span><div></div>

[cyclonus11]

<div></div>I do not even have Cheap Shot anymore. It's not even in my knowledge book.I am able to use Ambuscade to stun, then hit with Unfriendly Reminder, then Kidney Blow before they turn around, but with Cheap Shot, I could get another 2 or 3 attacks in.<div></div><p>Message Edited by cyclonus11 on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:41 PM</span></p>

[Luk]

<div></div>cheap shot is a skill given to all scouts, it should be in your knowledge book, its given at level 6. It needed to be replaced on your hotbars due to a recent change in one of the LU's, was made non upgradable, meaning it is the same for everyone, no more adept 3 for me :smileysad:

[SageGaspar]

I didn't play much before my server went down, but I didn't notice a change. Cheap Shot has been working 1s on anything with an arrow for the past couple patches. Try it on a no-arrow solo, and if it breaks in one second then you have your proof. I'm just skeptical because I've heard a lot of people complain about this 'issue' every patch, not realizing it's been there forever and it's just the display that's changing.<div></div>

[Trollb]

<div>no fella. dont even try to pull the "its always been this way." I dont know if you are just dim witted about the class, or a soe infiltrator.</div><div> </div><div>The brigands know, as well as we... that what was a stun long enough to get both backside attacks in, is now too short to even get 1 in.</div><div> </div><div>Im giving them a week to claim the stealth nerf, or im calling my bank and having any past charges to SOE refunded. I dont have enough characters or patience to justify continuing playing a game that assjams its players just like SWG did, not surprisingly another SOE product.</div>

[Wildfury77]

Get your bank to refund your payments....good luck with that. Have u even read the EULA once. I can't be bothered with whinners - and in any case, can confirm that cheapshot still works fine on simple MOBs , just logged on and checked! Each update has good points and bad points - ADAPT!! We are a great class and now we can even tank/dps with the stamina line (which won't apply to all but gives us new flexibility to choose).P.S. If you like moaning roll a templar or guardian and hang around in their forums......those boys moan about everything, all the time.........<div></div>

[Trollb]

<div></div><p>"Get your bank to refund your payments....good luck with that. Have u even read the EULA once. I can't be bothered with whinners - and in any case, can confirm that cheapshot still works fine on simple MOBs , just logged on and checked! Each update has good points and bad points - ADAPT!! We are a great class and now we can even tank/dps with the stamina line (which won't apply to all but gives us new flexibility to choose).P.S. If you like moaning roll a templar or guardian and hang around in their forums......those boys moan about everything, all the time........."</p><p>Thank you wildfury for your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and uninformed response. Im sure SOE thanks you also for bending over and taking it like a good fanboy.</p><p>As we all know, you logged in to solo 1 mob and then came back to refute the nerf. Grats to you. Now for reality; cheap shot doesnt work except as an interrupt anymore due to being a 1 second shot now.</p><p>To illustrate the depth of the jamming we have recieved; my level 6 brigand can actually land his backshot. My 42 swash cannot land even 1 on a grey, green, or blue, of several different calibers and creeds.</p><p>Cheapshot= worthless now, which is what the thread was about; sorry if you are too braindamaged or blind to comprehend that.</p>

[SageGaspar]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Trollboy wrote:<div>no fella. dont even try to pull the "its always been this way." I dont know if you are just dim witted about the class, or a soe infiltrator.</div><div> </div><div>The brigands know, as well as we... that what was a stun long enough to get both backside attacks in, is now too short to even get 1 in.</div><div> </div><div>Im giving them a week to claim the stealth nerf, or im calling my bank and having any past charges to SOE refunded. I dont have enough characters or patience to justify continuing playing a game that assjams its players just like SWG did, not surprisingly another SOE product.</div><hr></blockquote>Man, I just logged in and it's working exactly as it did before the LU. Walk up to a solo no arrow, stun it, and count to three. Three seconds.Run up to an arrow, stun it, and you get your one second to pull off a single backstab.You obviously did not understand the mechanic before this update, all that changed was the text.</span></div>

[Trollb]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div><span class="time_text">Hmm, it is possible that it changed overnight. Last night it wasnt sticking on even greys for more than 1 second.</span></div><p>Message Edited by Trollboy on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:33 AM</span></p>

[Morrgan_Soerenson]

<span><blockquote><hr>SageGaspar wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Trollboy wrote:<div>no fella. dont even try to pull the "its always been this way." I dont know if you are just dim witted about the class, or a soe infiltrator.</div><div> </div><div>The brigands know, as well as we... that what was a stun long enough to get both backside attacks in, is now too short to even get 1 in.</div><div> </div><div>Im giving them a week to claim the stealth nerf, or im calling my bank and having any past charges to SOE refunded. I dont have enough characters or patience to justify continuing playing a game that assjams its players just like SWG did, not surprisingly another SOE product.</div><hr></blockquote>Man, I just logged in and it's working exactly as it did before the LU. Walk up to a solo no arrow, stun it, and count to three. Three seconds.Run up to an arrow, stun it, and you get your one second to pull off a single backstab.You obviously did not understand the mechanic before this update, all that changed was the text.</span></div><hr></blockquote>that is not entirely accurate....it WAS : 6 secs on anything without ^s , not breakable (so a hit did not break the stun)       2 secs on anything with ^ and not epic, breakable (so one hit ended the stun)no it is: 6 secs as above         1 sec against anything with ^s and not epic... and that is not enough to land a positional... EXCEPT you are master of timing (hit cheap shot while jumping over the mob and follow up                     immediatly with a positional...).what is the point? this is solo-play. in a group where the mob is turned the other way i hit it with my positionals anyway... i think/hope it was unintentional, otherwise assassins could kiss their high hitting CAs good bye.. and a ranger too... hidden attack is completely useless that way as it has a 1 sec cast timer... with this you could just land a cheap shot - hidden attack - shadowflame combo... now it is bleed, impale and autoattack (after you pull the mob with 2 bow CAs... ).not nice to change and not give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] word about it.Olaf</span><div></div>

[Trollb]

<div></div><p>"that is not entirely accurate....it WAS : 6 secs on anything without ^s , not breakable (so a hit did not break the stun)       2 secs on anything with ^ and not epic, breakable (so one hit ended the stun)no it is: 6 secs as above         1 sec against anything with ^s and not epic... and that is not enough to land a positional... EXCEPT you are master of timing (hit cheap shot while jumping over the mob and follow up                     immediatly with a positional...)."</p><p>Yeah i knew it changed somehow for the worse, because i used to be able to land both positionals with it. And last night, it wasnt even working against greys, which is when i got mad.</p><p>They neither said anything about the intended change, the "oops" or the fix. But on the positive side, ive learned what not to try soloing, the con system is a little weird to me still, so learning that all over again helped me alot.</p><p>I still dont see the godlike solo of winning against triple down green heroics, but it is xp either way, and groups of them can be great with aoe.</p>

[SageGaspar]

Ah, you might be right on that, then. Sorry for being rude, but I was replying to the same <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Anyway, I didn't notice because I still have time to get off a backstab on any heroic and my standard two (sometimes three for mastery) on solos. You don't need to be a master of timing, just hit cheap shot and jump over as soon as it casts. The casting time is .5 seconds on all our backstabs (except maybe the Ancient Teachings one, which I don't have yet).<div></div>

[Morrgan_Soerenson]

Hmm, i did some more testing with this "cheap shot thing"... It looks as the skill works as before... I was able to do the "cheap shot- hidden attack -shadowfire" combo to alabaster behemoths (queynos caves ^^mobs) but not against slaverjaw (named ^^^mob) but that might just be because of timing... In addition this "stun 1 sec" appears on other skills as well, namely things that have knock-down affects.To my guess is, that something in the update overwrote the description, but the skills work as intended. It would be nice though if a dev or somebody of the powers-that-be could comment on that...oh. they did:behold the might of Moorgard:<blockquote><hr>Pelarski wrote:Any stun caused by a Combat Art lasts 1.0 seconds since LU20. <hr></blockquote><p>This is a display bug only. Stuns are lasting their appropriate duration.</p><p>No need to /bug this, as we're aware of it already and will get a fix in. Sorry for the confusion.</p>andAeralikI just checked in a fix for this and it should make the next hotfix.  Cheap shot and any of the other stun skills should then return to displaying normally.now that is a joy to hear!CheersOlaf