"the" question

[x82nd77]

<div>I am asking "the" question. After searching all the scout boards I havent found a satisfactory answer to "the" question. What scout class solos the best? I have read that it is really down to the Rouges. Rangers are great for solo mobs but get there fannys handed to them with any group mob. Assassins, well they seem to have issues with most things. Bards I know from a friend dont go toe to toe with heroics well. But Rogues? How Swashs (and brigands, but to be honest I am afraid to post on their board, they are a bit... erm... wierd) do with Heroic mobs?</div><div> </div><div>Thanks for your time with this question!</div>

[Syrano]

Why are you contemplating solo'ing heroics?  Heroics are not solo mobs, the game will be constantly tuned so that heroics are not soloable.  The short answer is, we get our butts handed to us fighting heroic mobs just as much as the next guy does.If you want to solo, fight solo mobs.  Heroics have a serious upper hand.  Now, as as Swash you can take on a group of heroics and probably kill one or two of the encounter, but you won't survive.  It helps when questing if you only need one of the mobs int he encounter.  We have enough staying power for that at least.Any scout is going to find heroics all but impossible to to solo.  That's just the way the game is meant to be.  If some class can solo a heroic out there, good for them, but don't expect it to last.<div></div>

[x82nd77]

<div></div><div>My SK can solo Dark Green Heroics with little to no worry. My gear is top notch, but its worth it for that reason.  I didnt know if it was just scouts that had issues with Heroics. I have read some posts here and there that you are the better soloers out of the scout pack.  Didnt know if it was possible with good gear and spells and a good knowledge of your class...</div><p>Message Edited by psheets on <span class="date_text">01-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:18 PM</span></p>

[Thumatos]

<div></div>i can fight green ^ sometimes 50/50 ^^ heroics right now,  course im only 21 on my swashy.   higher lev couldnt tell ya.  but they needa be very very green.  not worth it either cept for the  look how cool i am factor. 

[AratornCalahn]

you want to roll a ranger, definatly<div></div>

[x82nd77]

<div></div>^^^ see ^^^ this is why I asked here.. lol.. those Brigands are some odd folks.  I promise if you give me straight answers I wont tell a single person that your class is good.. Cross my little heart.

[roblinb]

<div></div><div></div><p>I disagree with what you said about my class.  Occasionally I have been able to solo a blue triple up named heroic.  I want to say I've tried it seven times and won three of those encounters, but honestly I can't quite remember the exact details.</p><p>Keep in mind a few things, though.</p><p>1) I used thorny trap then kited him down to orange (once to red I think)</p><p>2) I had three legendary poisons up</p><p>3) My initial Stealthy Fire hit him for in excess of 2.8k damage once, and over 2.5 k the other two</p><p>4) All my main damage ranged attacks are Adept III or better</p><p>5) I was really lucky twice, and I had only a couple of hundred hit points left at the end.  The other time my thorny trap held him for a long time.</p><p>I have practiced the same techniques on "normal" heroics that I can usually kill without to much risk, so I just tried the same strategy again.  Also, when I died... it was ugly.  It sucks when you MISS with your ranged attack and your poison does not proc right away.</p><p>Message Edited by roblinb on <span class="date_text">01-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:35 PM</span></p>

[x82nd77]

<div>I only thought rangers had issues with Heroics after reading a post that someone had accidentally pulled a grey heroic and it ended up beating him black and blue. So your saying you have no issues with Heroics as a ranger?</div>

[ilucife]

a ranger in my guild can solo scorn and and the first 2 named in poets(aysor and his eye). poets mobs are 63^^^ named mobs. and ive seen him solo the albinos in AT. i have a friend that was soloing the ^^^ grim reaper mobs in LT and they where 2 lvls above him. ive actually seen all of this happen so i know its possible. depends largely on skill i guess<div></div>

[Syrano]

<span><blockquote><hr>iluciferi wrote: depends largely on skill i guess<div></div><hr></blockquote>That would depend on how the mobs are being solo'd <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Whether or not the tactics required fully fabled gear, great weapons and massive bank roll.  For now though, rangers do so much ranged damage, plus have some snares, that anywhere they can kite they can be deadly.  All ranger solo'ing tactics that enable them to kill heroics I garauntee don't involve going toe-to-toe with the mob <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The real question is how long will it last?  Don't choose a class because it can solo heroics two levels above itself. Eventually that's bound to get nerfed.  Just expect it.  Enjoy it while it lasts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  You might consider, just maybe, choosing a class based on its role in a raid/group... but that would be a silly suggestion for this game I know.</span><div></div>

[DanaDark]

<div>A class is but a tool. The player is what matters. A hammer, knife, and sword can all be dangerous weapons... heck, you can even kill someone with a roll of toiletpaper... yet, it all depends on the user....</div><div> </div><div>A bad player wont be able to solo a solo green con as a ranger...</div><div>A good player can solo heroics to certain degrees...</div><div> </div><div>Just play.</div>

[ilucife]

thats my point, ppl post that they can do 1k dps forever, and a crappy 13 year old who played WoW for a few months reads it and thinks they can come to this game and do the same thing. then we have eleventy billion posts on how a class is broken. some rangers suck, some kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. some swashies can make do, most cant. im not saying im the best swashy in the game, but 3 of the 4 post 50's that ive grouped with have been awful. one actaully stood in front of the mob and melee'd in every fight in poets, and was amazed that i was posting a measly 400 dps (another char was putting up parsing numbers) and he was lvl 60. in another case a wizzie i was grouped with didnt know what an HO was, it wasnt that he didnt know what the acronym was but he was just [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], and he was 57. basically skill in this game doesnt get you very far, but it will make you stand out.<div></div>

[Krakenap]

<div>Personally I find that I can handle group heroics quick easily but single mobs give me more trouble.</div><div>As a level 60 swashie I can kill a level 50 ^^^ heroic with Inspired daring and autoattack (even after LU1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</div><div>I can do a level 57 ^^^ heroic but it's not simple and requires quite a bit of work and tactics and even when I win I limp away.I've not been able to do a 58^^^ to date.</div><div>I think 55^^^ is my comfort zone for winning 95% of the time.</div><div> </div><div>As for groups I can handle groups much easier - 4 - 55 Heroic (no arrow) are cake.  Inspired Daring & Hurricane = Death.  I'm pretty sure I've handled 58 / 59 Heroic groups too. </div><div> </div><div>I think one of the coolest thing I did recently was with me and another level 60 swashie.  We both went to T'Narev and fought those groups of 20 odd 52 vv Epic x 2.  We popped all our buffs, Daring and managed to kill about 12 of them.  I know if we had a single healer would could have taken it out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[riblete]

My swashy is level 45 in very mundane gear, not uber by any means. Player-made ebon chest and shoulders, a very nice legendary football helmet, treasured less-than-ebon gear for the other slots. My jewlery is mostly ok T4, a couple ok T5, and a very nice fabled ring from RE. I have no dolls, a T4 ranged ammo, serrated bone dirk, and a PGT. I use one legendary T5 poison, and the poison resist poison.-  I can handle most green ^^^'s, but not named. This is using kiting techniques with poison procs, and letting my big damage CA's all come available. Poison is 24 sec, big proc version. (about 1400 damage)  Not worth it though. I can kill enough down arrow solo mobs during the same time to make more XP, and have no downtime.- Blue ^^^'s are much too hard for me.- I have not been able to kill any pair of ^^'s- I can handle some blue ^'s in group of three. A group of four is just too much for me right now, though I feel it is possible.- No arrow heroic groups are not a problemMy expectation is for this to become more difficult as I level, but since I still have some skills I need more work on (mezzing most difficult to do well) And you get awsome powa's at 50 and up.... <span>:smileytongue:</span>  Also, as the poster above pointed out, I have no doubt that anyone able to easily kill ^^^ heroics will find they can't eventually. I also think that killing solo yellow mobs no arrow or one down arrow are the best XP per time if you are solo. But a three man group swashy, DPS, and healer will level three times faster than solo.Gruuptub (45)  of Crushbone<div></div>

[Syrano]

<div></div><p>Can heroics be solo'd? Sure.  I solo'd a 51st level ^^^ heroic last night.  Took about half my health.  Is it something I'd want to do regularly? No, it's just annoying to fight them.  As a test of ability it's fun.  But then, the mob was 8 levels beneath me.  I could probably handle a 52.. I'd question a 53. </p><p>But then, I don't see much accomplishment in soloing heroics 8 levels below me even if they are "green".  I've seen a 60th ranger do Roost, solo.  It takes forever, but it can be done.   There is something a bit obscene about a 60th level character solo'ing a bunch of mobs 57-60th level.  Then kiting around named mobs and getting a shot at master chests.  </p><p>*That* is the kind of solo ability that will eventually get nerfed.  Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it will come.  I've been playing MMO's long enough to know that all such things even out over time.  That classes always go back and forth in relative power.  It never ends <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[-Llama-]

<div>I agree with Krakenappa. I can solo anything up to 57 heroic comfortably. I have been known to solo Aysor the Mighty in Poet's on the off occasion I'm feeling frisky, but it requires using the Foreman's Shank to pull it off.</div>

[Geero]

<div></div><div>At 29 I was able to solo single 24^^^ heroic 1 out of 4 times.  They were 1 level lower then blue.</div><div>At 30 tho I could solo them everytime.  Good thing about swash is that you have stun and evac, if you think you are going to lose the fight, evac out.  If evac is down, stun/knockdown the mob with snare(which we have 2) and run away.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Oh and during this time I was wearing leather gear and not a good weapon, something like 15 dps weapon I believe.  Also most of my skills are only adept 1 so if you are twink swash, I'm sure you can do better.</div>

[Debunkt]

<div></div>Picking a swash to twink... gah, I'd rethink that. Brigands get the mad pet heals. Or even a Ranger, hard to beat a zone wide snare. So uber my head hurts thinking about it. I need to go lay down.

[Geero]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gokineq2 wrote:<div></div>Picking a swash to twink... gah, I'd rethink that. Brigands get the mad pet heals. Or even a Ranger, hard to beat a zone wide snare. So uber my head hurts thinking about it. I need to go lay down.<hr></blockquote><p>Whats wrong with twink swash? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If server crashed and we all had to make new char, I would make swash all over again.  I tried to play melee alts after my swash and I can tell you...  They are boring to hell.  Now I am trying to make caster alts...</p>

[-Llama-]

<div>Because swash are [Removed for Content]. They don't have the instant master chest skill like brigands. Or the rangers, "Server Crash" Ancient teaching.</div>

[ilucife]

no no no bruisers have the instant master chest, brigs have instant rare's from node skill.<div></div>

[Sadpandaa]

<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div><hr></blockquote>A LOT worse than kill... first we abuse your men folk, and steal your GF/wifes and other assorted women folkTHENWe would tell them about our experiances playing our Swashy alts... Sooooo fun.</span><div></div>

[Sadpandaa]

<span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div><hr></blockquote>A LOT worse than kill... first we abuse your men folk, and steal your GF/wifes and other assorted women folkTHENWe would tell them about our experiances playing our Swashy alts... Sooooo fun.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Abusing the men folk? I think I've got that taken care of, you don't need to worry yourself with that.Stealing gfs/wives? Just leaves more men for me.And playing swashies rocks. So... yeahYou sure aren't making a convincing argument here....On the other hand... brigs suck. I mean, their heals don't even work. Everyone knows that. So even if we tried to lie about it, everyone would know the truth and go roll a ranger anyway... I think yall are stuck being alone.</span><div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div><hr></blockquote>A LOT worse than kill... first we abuse your men folk, and steal your GF/wifes and other assorted women folkTHENWe would tell them about our experiances playing our Swashy alts... Sooooo fun.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Abusing the men folk? I think I've got that taken care of, you don't need to worry yourself with that.Stealing gfs/wives? Just leaves more men for me.And playing swashies rocks. So... yeahYou sure aren't making a convincing argument here....On the other hand... brigs suck. I mean, their heals don't even work. Everyone knows that. So even if we tried to lie about it, everyone would know the truth and go roll a ranger anyway... I think yall are stuck being alone.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>You learn fast.(If anyone is wondering, I didn't include what we would do to the female swashys, well I didn't have the time to write THAT kind of stroy here... And id get banned. Also.)(ofcourse the line between the female and male swashys is very close sometimes... so it pays to be openminded <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by AratornCalahn on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:18 PM</span></p>

[Iseabeil]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div><hr></blockquote>A LOT worse than kill... first we abuse your men folk, and steal your GF/wifes and other assorted women folkTHENWe would tell them about our experiances playing our Swashy alts... Sooooo fun.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Abusing the men folk? I think I've got that taken care of, you don't need to worry yourself with that.Stealing gfs/wives? Just leaves more men for me.And playing swashies rocks. So... yeahYou sure aren't making a convincing argument here....On the other hand... brigs suck. I mean, their heals don't even work. Everyone knows that. So even if we tried to lie about it, everyone would know the truth and go roll a ranger anyway... I think yall are stuck being alone.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Have ye seen their pets tho? I heard brigs have a secret ability only real brigands are told of that makes their mushroom pets able to tank Nagafen and never go bellow yellow!</p><p>*whistles innocently as the crowds start gathering on brigand forum*</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Iseabeil wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>What if we start telling people that brigands really are one of the coolest classes to play? Do you think they'd come overe here and kill us?</div><hr></blockquote>A LOT worse than kill... first we abuse your men folk, and steal your GF/wifes and other assorted women folkTHENWe would tell them about our experiances playing our Swashy alts... Sooooo fun.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Abusing the men folk? I think I've got that taken care of, you don't need to worry yourself with that.Stealing gfs/wives? Just leaves more men for me.And playing swashies rocks. So... yeahYou sure aren't making a convincing argument here....On the other hand... brigs suck. I mean, their heals don't even work. Everyone knows that. So even if we tried to lie about it, everyone would know the truth and go roll a ranger anyway... I think yall are stuck being alone.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Have ye seen their pets tho? I heard brigs have a secret ability only real brigands are told of that makes their mushroom pets able to tank Nagafen and never go bellow yellow!</p><p>*whistles innocently as the crowds start gathering on brigand forum*</p><p> </p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>You missread... thaat only happens when a swashy uses theri "animate corpse" ability combined with their "Faith of the Blade" mega regen.Brigand pets are broken, brigand heals are broken. We suck.</span><div></div>

[Syrano]

<div>I don't know, I watched a Brigand solo the Darathar instance last night using his AoE immunity.  Made me pretty jealous.  I'd definately go Brigand if I could.</div>

[Sadpandaa]

<div>But they smell <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sadpandaa wrote:<div>But they smell <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>Dosnt stop you with those other dirty brigands... and hasnt stopped any swashys I know. Swashys tendancy to be a little silly certianly hasnt stopped me <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Syrano wrote:<div>I don't know, I watched a Brigand solo the Darathar instance last night using his AoE immunity.  Made me pretty jealous.  I'd definately go Brigand if I could.</div><hr></blockquote>You realise that was done by tanking it with a conjy pet? brigand was the only one avalible to do damage - would have brought a ranger but they were all offs oloing Terrantula. Im glad Im not a Brigand! imagine being choosen last...wait... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>