i was out dps'ed by a zerker?!?!

[Xti]

<div></div>heyasthe title says it all, i was grossly out dps'ed by a zerkeri was a lvl 51 swash, he was a lvl 50 zerker, we were duoing white and yellow ^^^ mobsthat there proves how much damage we were doing, or i should say "he"my gear was a bit better then his was,i had rare weaps and armor, and rare poison, and he only had HQ weaps and a few pieces of rare armorhe had a parser going, i did about 6000-8000 according to this parser, he did 20000-21000even if i tried, i couldnt beat this guy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />how was a tank out doing me? IM A SCOUT!! this should not be possible even a by a biti dont think he modified the parser just to show higher damage (if that can be done) he was really doing a crap load of damagewe took down these mobs fasteither im playing like crap, or zerkers need to be nerfed big timewhat is everyones thoughts on this<div></div><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class="date_text">01-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:42 AM</span></p>

[Red Cobra]

<div>How are you only doing 6000-8000 if you use poison and ID?</div>

[Xti]

he did more damage before i could <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> he was a machineya i was using rare posions and ID, all my skills are at adapt1, some app4i would think that would be the standerd for casual players<div></div>

[Syrano]

I'd have to watch you two fight and read the whole log.  While it *is* possible for zerkers to outdamage us in certain situations, he should not be outdamaging you by that margin every fight.  He's doing over 2/3 of the damage and that means something is out of whack.Either his parse is inaccurate (possible), you're not using abilities or missing a lot, or something else.  Are you sure this wasn't just a couple of fights?  I see a lot of people complain about being out dps'd because over the course of a night there are some abnormal fights where they get ker-pwned dps wise.In my groups I'm usually #1 dps because we usually lack dps casters.  However in many situations I have been out dps'd by a Paladin, even an enchanter.  And that's in fights where I know I'm maximizing.  It gets uglier when you factor in time wasted by moving positions, changing mobs, or other craziness that can happen in longer fights when adds show up etc.   The overall average though tends to put me out in front by a considerable margin.So i'd prefer to see your parser stats for an entire sessions worth of play.  And all the gory breakdown details, with damage done by ability and per mob etc.  There's a lot of good detail in there that would let us understand why this zerker out dps'd you.  I can safely say though that it's not because we dont' do enough damage, nor that zerkers necessarily need to be nerfed.<div></div>

[Xti]

<div></div>it wasent every fight of course, he has some special CAs that do huge damage every 2-3 fightsand he realy was doing that much damage, we were doing those even-con group mobs without issue with this guys dpsthat shoudl not be possible with 2 people, esspiecly without a healerthere are no doubt others will out do me in "some" fights, by a little bit, but this was by ALOTim almost sure this guy didnt mess with his parser. im gunna have to call nerf on this <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />NERF THE ZERKERS <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class="date_text">01-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:36 AM</span></p>

[Serindyl]

<div>Zerkers were always a great DPS tank, especially against groups of MOBs.  I think their AoE's are close to ours in damage, and they have a buff that retaliates against all in front of them.  This is their taunting ability, and is intended.  In the right fight, they can seriously climb up the DPS chart, but it had been stated by SoE that a T2 can sometimes climb to T1, so the same is true for a tank creeping into our domain.  This is not broken, and zerkers do not need to be nerfed.  That bat swings both ways, and we do not need any more negative attention.  A group AOE immunity to bring our zerker friends along in raids would be nice -- gotta love their STR and Fury buffs -- but otherwise, both classes are rocking as they are.</div>

[-Llama-]

<div>Open Wounds + Rampage = Ouch</div><div> </div><div>Open Wounds is like hurricane but it hits all mobs in a frontal arc 100% for a few seconds. Rampage is a damage proc and such so its like our ID and a 100% Hurricane for a set amount of time.</div>

[Xti]

i see, but thats still alot for a tank woudlnt you agree?maybe im playing wrong,i used to be a tank, so button mashing is pretty much ill i know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but iv picked up on alot of how the scout works and how it does damage. but maybe im not using all my abilities, or when i shouldso my question is, wat do you do to maximize your damage? solo and group situations if possible<div></div>

[-Llama-]

<div>Instances. Good place to start if you dont like to harvest. Hidden Cache, Sanctorium, even Scornfeather's roost. All good places to get rares and Masters and Gear to start upping your Toons damage output. It's really all about your gear. My char personally has full t6 raid fabled (not instanced fabled) armor and weapons, and full STR jewlery, and about 16 master 1s. With all that, I have no problem being in the top 3 dps in a raid ( up against warlocks/wizzys/rangers, usually right under the rangers if not even or above) and #1 DPS in groups.</div><div> </div><div>Start with some easy instances, or harvest, and upgrade those skills and gear, you will notice a surprising difference. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </div>

[Xti]

well, i really dont have the resources to go raiding like you hardcore players <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />but i do try to get my gear to atleast rare crafted or betteri have a full set of cobalt armor and 2 weaps, and an ironwood bow. im having 2 hex dolls made atmim also saving up for a full set of vandium jewelery <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> or imbued rings atleastid think that should be enough, what kind of str gear do you have? is it better then rare crafted?<div></div>

[-Llama-]

<div></div><p>Most of this can be obtained through Quests or Instances or even a fairly easy x2 mob in SC.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80584">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80584</a></p><p>Spiregaz Essence Necklace- Drops off Spiregaze in Silent City Epic area, basically any 12 players can take this down.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=76385">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=76385</a></p><p>Urz Fang Hoop- Drops off one of the named snakes in Scornfeathers, theres a better item that drops off the Tactician, named solo mob in Silent City, Tacticians Hoop. 12 str 12 agi I think.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=81976">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=81976</a></p><p>Band of the Blades- Drops off Dukarem in the Court of Blades instance, again, easy for any 6 people in mid 50s</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=77085">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=77085</a></p><p>Stoneheart Bracelet- Quest Reward for one of the final Peacock quests, Time for a Garden Party.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=77038">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=77038</a></p><p>Bracelet of the Keeper, can't quite remember which quest yeilds this, but it's one of the easier quests in DoF.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>All in all, there are lots of things out there better than Crafted (or even fabled in some cases). Most people can obtain a good set of jewelry and gear just from questing in DoF. But I would highly recommend harvesting for rares or hitting instances for rares to up those skills. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Serindyl]

You don't have to raid to get good gear.  Fabled stuff drops in instances as stated by Llama above, and Scornfeather is a very good one if you are inclined.  In fact, that zone has a chance to drop a STR necklace that he mentioned, and vanadium jewellery also boosts STR.  Poet's drops a bracer and shoulders, but there are two varieties in the instances for scout gear.  One focuses more on AGI, and the other sets focus on STR.

[the flu]

Those are the stats on the tactitians hope (plus some resists), but he is a group mob (mid 50's ^^^).Had assumed that the bracelet of the keeper was a drop in poets group instance, but the keeper drops crap loot most of the time so what do I know. I payed way to much for it on the broker if it's a quest reward though. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Xti]

si have always assumed that you had to raid and be a hardcore player to ever see fabled gearare you saying that these instances are for groups? this is certinly a nice change <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />i hate to ask <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> kind of a n00bish questionbut do any poisons stack with each other at all?<div></div>

[-Llama-]

<div>Yeah its a quest reward for one of the lower 50's quests in DoF, ill see if i can find it.</div><div> </div><div>Oh, and you are thinking of the Strategist, level 56 ^^^, poped by clearing the heroic Consuls of War, tactician pops from clearing the solo ^ Emissarys of War.</div><div> </div><div>Strategist has a chance to drop the Coif of the Shadow Stalker, Fabled scout only helm.</div>

[the flu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>-Llama- wrote:<div>Yeah its a quest reward for one of the lower 50's quests in DoF, ill see if i can find it.</div><div> </div><div>Oh, and you are thinking of the Strategist, level 56 ^^^, poped by clearing the heroic Consuls of War, tactician pops from clearing the solo ^ Emissarys of War.</div><div> </div><div>Strategist has a chance to drop the Coif of the Shadow Stalker, Fabled scout only helm.</div><hr></blockquote>Was pretty sure all the named down there were heroic, except maybe one up at the back door, but it has been a while, so I will take your word for it. It's better to have a group down there anyways, so you can hit more of the spawns.  I'll have to try to get some lower level guildies together for a farming session down there for this strategist fellow though. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[caine71]

<div>Ok, first I'd like to say even in jest, please don't ask for other classes to be nerfed, it's just wrong man! Secondly, parser information is known to be incorrect or flawed in many cases. I believe sincerely that his parse was wrong, for one I consider myself a fairly adept Berserker(Lvl 52) and I never hit dps even close to that, The most in the best circumstance I've done on mobs of my level or higher was between 9,000-10,000 and that was the best circumstance, lots of procs on my imbued cobalt weapons, and rampage up on a mob of three. Generally I average between 6,500-8,000 when I'm trying to dps, not what I normally do when I Tank and conserve power in case of adds. Also, we don't get the CA Open Wounds until level 58, so no way he could have been using that. If he was level 58 then I could see a Zerk hitting those numbers in good circumstances on group mobs. Please understand though, Rampage and Open Wounds are our "big spells" like assassinate is for assassins, Rampage is on a 3min timer as well.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks, Azir(Lvl 52 Zerker-Crushbone)</div>

[Luk]

<div>Those look like total damage output numbers for a fight, if they are, those mobs have pretty low HP an I think you will find that because you are probably waiting a few seconds before engaging, he is getting a big headstart on you, I can't think of an instance recently where a fighter class has done more damage than me.</div><p>Message Edited by Licit on <span class="date_text">01-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:47 AM</span></p>

[Luk]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>-Llama- wrote:<div>Oh, and you are thinking of the Strategist, level 56 ^^^, poped by clearing the heroic Consuls of War, tactician pops from clearing the solo ^ Emissarys of War.</div><div> </div><div>Strategist has a chance to drop the Coif of the Shadow Stalker, Fabled scout only helm.</div><hr></blockquote><p>The stratagist is a ^ Solo mob, has a chance to rop Tacticians Hoop (nice stats Treasure ear ring)</p><p>The Conquerer is  ^^^ Heroic has chance to drop Coif of the Shadowstalker (STR an AGI Fabled helm)</p><p>They pop around the same area, just on different sides of the main temple</p>

[-Llama-]

<div>Thanks for the clarification Licit! If it's not named Godking Anuk, I don't remember it's name. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Success]

<div>No, he isn't getting a headstart. Those numbers are typical of zerkers. They out DPS me a lot of times. At least the one in our guild.</div><div> </div><div>They just have some leet damage skills. Zerkers are pretty nasty. They always have been and the combat revamp didn't change that.</div>

[Xti]

point is, hes a tank, and im a scout. and according to soe a tan k should not out dps a scoutso im gunna cry nerf still <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Luk]

<div></div><div></div><p>The early "fix" to zerka DPS was to up the power cost of all their skills, they took a real pounding early on, but the smart players were able to work around this, also remember that alot of Zerka aggro management as a tank comes from their damage output, don't call nerf on another class unless you want that class calling nerf on you, that only causes pain and no one wins. Personally, I rarely get out DPS'd by any fighter class, classes can, under the right conditions, DPS higher than their tier, however this should not be constant.</p><p>Sorry to say this, but if you are being constantly out DPS'd by a lower tier class, then you might be doing something wrong.</p><p>Another thing to consier is what stance he is tanking in, if he is in offesive stance, then he's upping his DPS an risking more damage.</p><p>Message Edited by Licit on <span class="date_text">01-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:26 PM</span></p>

[Bock]

<div>Aside from all the things posted already i wouldnt mind adding iv always noticed swash/zerk complement eachother VERY VERY well, i very much enjoy grping with zerks on my swash because my dps rises very much with all there grp procs and such, and im sure the same is true(they may not realise it) for our debuffs to there dmg, those high parses may simple be the zerker hit his biggest hits when all your debuff were active and managed to pull off top dmg numbers now and then, its gonna hapen.  Iv never actully had one destroy my dps but iv had them beat me now and then when im slacking.</div>