Upgrade to spell lines from master 2 to app 1 a down grade?

[KnightMax]

<div>So I have a 60 wiz and a 48 swash and I am loving the swash.  One thing I noticed that seems wrong is that as a combat art gets replaced you can actually have the spell downgraded.</div><div> </div><div>As a wizard when a spell was upgraded 14 levels later the app 1 level of that spell was always greater then the master 2 level of the spell it replaced.</div><div> </div><div>But on my swash the app 1 has been a significant down grade compared even to the master 1 of the previous combat art.</div><div> </div><div>To me a 14 level > spell should be a significant boost in performance to the previous spell.</div><div> </div><div>Has there been any reasoning about why swash's are getting shafted like that?  I find it disapointing that until I get app3 or better I am better off using the old spell line.</div>

[DorrianBloodsto]

<div></div>I am assuming that you are referring to some arts like our haste proc line..... having the app1 increase to a level greater then master 1 of the next step would inflate this art to insane levels far too fast.

[Mathe]

<div>Swashbuckler CAs would be incredibly inflated in power if that was how they worked.</div>

[the flu]

It seems to me that our adet 1's are generally (excepting false bravado line) equivilent to the preivious tier master1- which is about where I would expect them to be- and assumed thats what other classes were at as well.<div></div>

[KnightMax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>the fluke wrote:It seems to me that our adet 1's are generally (excepting false bravado line) equivilent to the preivious tier master1- which is about where I would expect them to be- and assumed thats what other classes were at as well.<div></div><hr></blockquote>But that is what I was saying in the wizard line app 1 is > then master 2

[Iseabeil]

<div>Havent really looked into this much, i remeber that bladeweaver(lvl 41) master2 was actually better then battleweaver(lvl 55) even at at adept1, and i had to get adept3 to make the new one give better stats.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[the flu]

Not disaggreeing with you, just think that wizzies might be unique in this (not sure) but if they are, I wouldn't say anything- they complain about their dps output to begin with <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Jhaan-Kre]

<div>fury follows same pattern as swash...only adept1+ > master 1 of previous...except for the fury dps increase, needs to be adept 3 to be better...</div>

[Raveller]

Swashies could use a little dev lovin'.<div></div>

[Jhaan-Kre]

<div></div>erm, we're fine right now...well, except i want my bow back ^_^

[Raveller]

Bow? You've got us confused with Rangers.<div></div>

[Mathe]

<div></div>We didn't lose our bow, you can still use it. You just can't use ranged CAs with it. Considering what ranged weapon you use has no effect on damage, it is hardly a loss that you need throwing weapons to use the CAs. A slight proc chance isn't exactly a big deal, especially since for some reason my melee weapon procs do go off with Frigid Throw (or whichever one I have now), could be a bug or intentional since throwing weapons don't get procs. Works on my Brigands ranged CA, too. Besides Assassin and Ranger are both bow specialists, would be redundant to have Swashbuckler as one, too. Also would mean giving up Hail of Steel since if we used a Bow it would be redundant with the Ranger version of the skill.

[Success]

<div></div><p>Yes, we got crappy throwing weapons with crappy stats to replace our kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bows. No fabled throwing weapons. No imbued. Crafted is crap.</p><p>We got the shaft, period.</p>

[Belizarius]

<div></div><div></div><p>I'm suprised to hear wizzy App I's are better than the Master II of the previous version /boggle</p><p>I know on my Illusionist they are not, I need to get at least Adept I to improve or match  a previous Master 1 or 2.  I assumed all classes worked that way.</p><p>My new App Is are usually better than the previous Adept I, pretty close to the previous Adept 3, but not as good as the Master.</p><p>Message Edited by Belizarius on <span class="date_text">01-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:30 PM</span></p>

[Krakenap]

<div></div><p>Just to quickly point out that the wizards don't have it so easy.  As a Wizard alt I can tell you that Ball of Flames Master 2 is way better than the upgrade and App 1 and a toss up at Adept I.</p><p>Though as a 60 swashie I had never bothered to upgrade Artful Finesse to Ingenius Finesse until I got the Master 1 of Ingenius Finesse.  It just didn't make sense for the cost.  Same thing with Bravado.  I'm still using the Master 2 cause I can't find the Master 1 of Spurious and Adept 3 is identical to the Master 2.</p>