Swashi skills that are not working properly

[Thorel]

<DIV>Hi , I am currently a lvl 40 Swashi .  I would like what kind of problems you as my colleagues have stumbled upon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are the ones I found and would like to share with you:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Dazzling shroud  - I have not been able to get a mezz out of this yet.  BROKEN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. False blade - As I understand it , the skill lowers the aggro on my hit , while the next party member hitting the mob get upped on aggro list. Now who would want the wizzy or priest end up on top of the aggro list ? As of now I only use it as a damage attack with caution.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. Our Taunts- in a full group , I found them utterly useless. I have yet to manage to pull of  a mob from  a mage or healer that caught aggro. maybe it works in small groups , like pairs or threes, in a full group the hate built by priests or mages seems way too much for our taunt. (all my skills are adept I or better btw). EDIT: Given taunts some thought,  and now tend to believe that they are meant to help you play as main tank in a small group setup. In a group of three, hunting blue to white cons, it works pretty good. As far as "peeling off" is considered the success rate is very very low. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Rakish swathe - the lvl 34 ae attack - no increase in damage compared to the lvl 20 flamboyant swathe, which is a bit disappointing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. Cats paw - The skill claims to raise your attack while in effect and being a debuff. I get no debuff icon , nor do I see an increase in my attack value.BROKEN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6. Smirking Defense - the agility raise does not stack with flight of fancy BROKEN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7. Bootleg - agility buff on dissipation ? No, it aint happening. BROKEN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>8. Harmstring -  Does it work or not ? I have no idea. No icon tells me, that the effect is active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>9. Bladeweaver - udpates flight of fancy at lvl 41 . Shoudl buff agi and Str, but buffs Agi und stam. Yes,  and for how much more then flight of fancy (lvl 27) ? 5 points more Agi for an update 14 levels apart . Wow , I am gonna faint if you keep throwing so much agi at me .... BROKEN !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>10. Lvl 20 Fun spell Swashbucklers charm - gets resisted 90 % of all times I try. Apparently a swashbuckler aint very charming, right ? BROKEN !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thor</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Thorelas on <SPAN class=date_text>12-13-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:19 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Thorelas on <SPAN class=date_text>12-19-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:20 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Thorelas on <SPAN class=date_text>12-24-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:13 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Thorelas on <SPAN class=date_text>12-29-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:04 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Thorelas on <SPAN class=date_text>01-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:05 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Thorelas on <span class=date_text>01-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:15 PM</span>

[Sant]

<DIV>What are the levels of the skills your using? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do you have adept ones or are they app1 or 2 ?</DIV>

[Naggyba]

I'm only 29 but, I have been able to pull hate from others using gibe and gouge several times. I am dead in the mobs face most of the time whe nI do it but, I have done it from behind several times. It depends on the mobs it seems too. Clay Guardians, no matter what you do, once they lock onto someone, even regular tanks can't taunt them off. If you catch it right away, you have a better chance.I have adept 1 of Gibe though and App3 of gouge. I also back it up with a nice backstab and other behind attacks. Usually gets their attention.My only problem is the long recycle on gibe and no AE taunt. I have played tank on several ocassions.The other problems, can't say for sure as i don't have those skills yet.

[rioi]

I have to agree.Rakish Swathe does the same dmg (if not less) then the lvl 20 AoE. Both are adepts.I do not get mobs mezzed with dazzling shroudsKnockdown attacks DO NOT cause the mob to stop attacking. It is as if knockdown is just a graphic for looks.....if the mob is going to be attacking or casting and you knock them down, it doesn't stop spell or their next attack cycle. Worthless IMO to even knockdownDistracting blade doesn't interupt spells unless I am not read something rightTaunts are worthlessI have adepts of most if not all my skills. If not I have app 3 of it. Honestly, a lot of the skills just do not work right, and they need serious revising.

[Thorel]

<DIV>Santsu - As I said, all skills are adept I . and I got a Master distracting blade, now outdated by kidney blow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Naggybait- yes, I have tanked too. And its nice to see that we can do pretty well in small scale battles. but get aggro on you in a full group, when the tank just lost it ? No. it aint happening, by the time you get the aggro the mage or healers corpse is starting to smell bad. yes, I am using gouge and gibe from front too, tried to combine with hate building attacks, even used swarthy distraction on myself - no good. Taunt aint working. Even in duo groups it pretty much sucks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes, knock down  - good point , I have no idea if it does anything or not. Distracting blade line skill interrupting casting .. doesnt look like it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am gonna look at my log tomorrow and check how much good the selfhaste is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thor</DIV>

[Rai]

<DIV>1. Dazzling shroud </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                - This isn't working at all .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. False blade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rai]

<DIV>1. Dazzling shroud </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                - This isn't working at all .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. False blade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                </DIV>

[Rai]

<DIV>1. Dazzling shroud </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                - This isn't working right, the "sneak" works as for "mezzing" ur target totaly Broken  .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. False blade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                -Sure it works alright, but how effective is it ...... w/e (this is a bad copy of trick atk from FFXI) just use it every 60sec its dmg lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. Our Taunts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>               -Just about as useful as a tanks taunt (Taunts in general need to be taken up a notch) . This dose work however , but truly there isn't many times u want agro ur a DPS get behind and STAB away. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Rakish swathe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>               -Yup same DMG upgraded or not , its a carbon copy of the original one....BROKEN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. Lv 41 spell can't remember the name anyways but its an upgrade to our agi/str buff , This is one if busted as well it buffs ur Agi the same amount and instead of buffing Str it buffs ur Sta ...... Broken</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well in time we will see change in many classes ....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raiff </DIV> <DIV>41 Swashbuckler</DIV> <DIV>AB Server</DIV>

[Keyh]

<DIV>Shanghai, but in a good way....</DIV>

[Thorel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>Shanghai, but in a good way....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>:smileyvery-happy:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ah yes, one of these little secrets ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But then, If I look at how  the lvl 21 brigand skill "ruse" allows a lvl 32 brigand to dish out  600 to 1050 every 60 seconds , it make me wonder if the little shanghai magic isnt intentional after all. Of course brigands get shanghai too.   I tend to believe that "ruse" ist just buggy , but if it isnt, ... </DIV><p>Message Edited by Thorelas on <span class=date_text>12-30-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 PM</span>

[Naggyba]

<blockquote><hr>Thorelas wrote:<DIV>Santsu - As I said, all skills are adept I . and I got a Master distracting blade, now outdated by kidney blow.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Naggybait- yes, I have tanked too. And its nice to see that we can do pretty well in small scale battles. but get aggro on you in a full group, when the tank just lost it ? No. it aint happening, by the time you get the aggro the mage or healers corpse is starting to smell bad. yes, I am using gouge and gibe from front too, tried to combine with hate building attacks, even used swarthy distraction on myself - no good. Taunt aint working. Even in duo groups it pretty much sucks.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>yes, knock down  - good point , I have no idea if it does anything or not. Distracting blade line skill interrupting casting .. doesnt look like it.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I am gonna look at my log tomorrow and check how much good the selfhaste is.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Thor</DIV><hr></blockquote>Aye, really depends on the mob. Clay guardians for instance (and other really hard hitting mobs), once they lock on, it's hard to get them off and many casters have died, although I and the tanks have managed to get agro off healers a few times.It's another one of those things that works sometimes. In most cases I have used it, it has worked. There is always the exception <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If they are getting whacked for 600+ a hit, not much anyone can do.For single target pulls and you have to play tank or, mobs that lock on and you want to get them off if the tank is too tied up, it can be done sometimes. Nothing is for sure though. I was just saying it has worked for me, for the most part.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>12-13-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:22 PM</span>

[Enkan]

<DIV>As a community we need to report these things in-game so that the developer may look into it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would hate to reach level 50 and find out that my class is totally broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Thorel]

<DIV>/bump</DIV>

[Kaff]

<blockquote><hr>Thorelas wrote:<DIV>...even used swarthy distraction on myself - no good. Taunt aint working. Even in duo groups it pretty much sucks.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>yes, knock down - good point , I have no idea if it does anything or not. Distracting blade line skill interrupting casting .. doesnt look like it.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I am gonna look at my log tomorrow and check how much good the selfhaste is.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Thor</DIV><hr></blockquote>I just wanted to point out that swarthy distraction will do nothing to help you peel -- it's a preventative measure to keep stuff from switching off the tank (whoever's tanking), NOT a remedy to regain aggro once they've lost it. Remember, it's a reactive hate proc -- this means that for the proc to go off, you have to get hit. This is obviously not the case if you're trying to peel. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Knockdown seriously disappointed me. I didn't expect it to be a stun (no casting/attacking/movement), but I did at least expect it to kill movement until they got back up. As it is, knockdown and knock-to-knees attacks are pretty much eye candy as far as I can tell, and should really get a bit of an actual game mechanic effect. If for no other reason than it really looks stupid to see stuff sliding around and spinning on its butt.One thing I'd like to add to my list -- I realized yesterday that while swathes and circular strike do not break enchanter mezzes, they appear to be breaking disarming grin. This seriously disappointed me. (speaking of which -- I don't think I've ever heard of an upgrade to disarming grin. Is there one?)Smuggler's Talent has no maximum skill range -- I don't know if this is intentional or not, but as it stands, it's good for about 2 levels, and only that long because it drops as an adept. Then it's back to snoop. I'm also not looking forward to snoop blueing out 3 levels before dazzling shroud, whether the mez is working on the latter or not.Speaking of which, evade's a joke with no max skill to give it a range, and having to make due with self preservation as our only effective means of evasion until playful swipe makes it a cruel joke.

[Thorel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaffis wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thorelas wrote:<BR> <DIV>...even used swarthy distraction on myself - no good. Taunt aint working. Even in duo groups it pretty much sucks.</DIV> <DIV>yes, knock down - good point , I have no idea if it does anything or not. Distracting blade line skill interrupting casting .. doesnt look like it.</DIV> <DIV>I am gonna look at my log tomorrow and check how much good the selfhaste is.</DIV> <DIV>Cheers,</DIV> <DIV>Thor</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I just wanted to point out that swarthy distraction will do nothing to help you peel -- it's a preventative measure to keep stuff from switching off the tank (whoever's tanking), NOT a remedy to regain aggro once they've lost it. Remember, it's a reactive hate proc -- this means that for the proc to go off, you have to get hit. This is obviously not the case if you're trying to peel. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Knockdown seriously disappointed me. I didn't expect it to be a stun (no casting/attacking/movement), but I did at least expect it to kill movement until they got back up. As it is, knockdown and knock-to-knees attacks are pretty much eye candy as far as I can tell, and should really get a bit of an actual game mechanic effect. If for no other reason than it really looks stupid to see stuff sliding around and spinning on its butt.<BR><BR></P> <P> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Agreed.<BR>I use swarthy distraction  mostly on myself , but only when I am main tank. I like to be in that poristion once in while, because I have to use everything in my arsenal to be effective. Actually, I belive now, that the rogue is the best tank for small groups of adventurers (3), where you hunt nothing bigger then white cons and an occasional yellow ^^ mob. In that situation you can tank nearly as good as any fighter class, but you're damage output is higher.</P> <P>Casting it  on a tank ? Costs to much concentration, I rather haste myself.</P> <P>Casting it on a tank , who lost aggro ? Does not make sense, since it is an reactive hate proc as someone pointed out.</P> <P> </P> <P>Cheers,</P> <P> </P> <P>Thor</P> <P><BR><BR></P>

[ZrokStormC]

<DIV><FONT size=4>Just FYI, having both a Swashie and a Monk, when I main tank for a group  and the healer gets aggro, the Monk's taunts don't normally pull it off unless I've been doing it the entire time, and even then they peel off sometimes, and it's hard to get them back.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ibi]

<DIV>I'm a lvl40 Swashbuckler with Master 1 Distracting blade and I can confirm it does in fact stop casting I don't know if its just because i have master 1 or what but I always use it to stop casters in mid cast theres no message saying it but I can see it works cause the mob casting effects stop and the spell does not go off. Knockdowns do stop attackers and casting you might not think it does cause it does not last long but I notice it does help unless its all just in my head which it might be. The rest listed are broken as far as I can tell though.</DIV>

[Dark_Sun]

<DIV>im 36 Swashy and i dont remember getting skills like </DIV> <DIV>Bootleg</DIV> <DIV>Cat paw</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Naggyba]

Bootleg is a level 39 upgrade to freeboot.Cat's Paw is a level 38 upgrade to unfriendly reminder

[And]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaffis wrote:<BR><BR>and having to make due with self preservation as our only effective means of evasion until playful swipe makes it a cruel joke.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>We get Flight of Fancy at level 27, did you miss that?  Combined with Self-Preservation I have no problems with aggro even when doing my most radical smackdown.</P> <P>Even though it's on the same timer as Street Smarts, the effect outlasts the recast timer and they can be stacked.</P> <P>Get to know yer skills, and you'll do a lot better in the game, I'm sure.<BR></P>

[Kaff]

<blockquote><hr>Andal wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Kaffis wrote:<BR><BR>and having to make due with self preservation as our only effective means of evasion until playful swipe makes it a cruel joke.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We get Flight of Fancy at level 27, did you miss that? Combined with Self-Preservation I have no problems with aggro even when doing my most radical smackdown.</P><P>Even though it's on the same timer as Street Smarts, the effect outlasts the recast timer and they can be stacked.</P><P>Get to know yer skills, and you'll do a lot better in the game, I'm sure.<BR></P><hr></blockquote>Pardon my mistake, then. I've stalled myself out at 26 to let a few friends catch up, and had assumed from the description that that skill was going to be just an upgrade to street smarts, and the "reduced hate generation" was pretty minor as most secondary effects seem to be.

[Thorel]

<DIV>/bump</DIV>