What's Up With New Tunaria?

[Waroa]

<DIV>We all know the queen of New Tunaria is a vampire or at the very least has connections with mayong mistmore and that the High Elves of said city are now xenophobic. The question is why? how the heck did any of this happen or could. I could just read too many fantasy books with too many twists but maybe all the High Elves in New Tunaria are vampires they're just better at hiding it than the other vampires we've seen or maybe there what vampire High Elves look like... Thoughs and opinions welcome.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>There are a few quests in the zone that describe when they realized that thier connections to outsiders had "Tainted" their culture and heritage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Basicly they decided to Ethnicly Clense themselves from the rest of the world.</DIV>

[Josgar]

Then the New Tunarians (Renda'Dal)'s life expectancy shrunk to less than a Humans from what I have read, and now so not a single Elf in there was alive during War of the Fay. (Don't even remember me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  )  Thats why they look diferent, and then everynight vampires come in and kidnap them. It would be so cool if we could have a quest to save them, but I do not forsee SOE doing this in the near future. It would be nice if the could add a High Elf village outside of New Tunaria devoted to bringing the city back to being Felwithe (like GSHQ and IF) but I guess us High Elves don't want it.    This is the end of the age of many sentinent races.       Nobody has a homeland but humans and Fae. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Illinth]

<DIV><FONT color=#0033ff>Keep in mind that Kelethin and Felwithe weren't the original homes of the elves either, they were originally refugees from Takish'Hiz, after Solusek Ro laid waste to their original homelands in what is now the Deserts of Ro. The elves seem to have a tremendous ability to bounce back and find a new place to call home.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0033ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0033ff>You can go visit Takish'Hiz in the forms of dungeons filled with a vast society of what are now Sand Elves, underneath the deserts in EQI. Although you've probably already been there. They are just as xenophobic as the elves of New Tunaria. It seems to be a growing trend.</FONT></DIV>

[Josgar]

I know about the history, but the sad thing is taht the Elves arent finding a new place to go! We are all doomed >.><div></div>

[Bionickai001]

<DIV>Does anyone know what Renda' Dal means.  Like how Tier'Dal means elves of the abyss.  And what is the name of the new queen?</DIV>

[Illinth]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0033ff>Lenya Thex I believe...</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0033ff>Not sure about the Renda'Dal, haven't gotten to explore that part of EoF much yet.</FONT></P>

[Josgar]

Probabbly Pure Elf or something like that.<div></div>

[Zabjade]

<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2">Yeah I've wandered around Misty sends troups in at night to take over but they stay even during the day in the canyon on the way to Castle Thex. And I STILL can't find the Paladins or the clicky for the Magi Shield quest I'm guessing it is among the legendary weapons on display. Ah well </font></font></font><div></div>

[Sylnt]

<DIV>The Qeen in New Tunaria's last name is Thex?   Thex is the last name of the rulling house of Neriak in EQ1.  Then again Innorruk did kidnap the very first king and queen of the high elves to create the Tier'dal.  Maybe it is a little of the same blood line?  Maybe Mayong and the Tier'dal have infultrated the ruling houses to corrupt the high elves from within?</DIV>

[Illinth]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0033ff>Thex has been the ruling name for both races throughout time.</FONT>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sylnt wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Qeen in New Tunaria's last name is Thex?   Thex is the last name of the rulling house of Neriak in EQ1.  Then again Innorruk did kidnap the very first king and queen of the high elves to create the Tier'dal.  Maybe it is a little of the same blood line?  Maybe Mayong and the Tier'dal have infultrated the ruling houses to corrupt the high elves from within?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Technically it is the same bloodline. the King's brother took over as ruler of the Elves after Innoruuk stole away the King and Queen.

[Rabid-Othmir]

<div><blockquote><hr>Josgar wrote:I know about the history, but the sad thing is taht the Elves arent finding a new place to go! We are all doomed >.><div></div><hr></blockquote>The Elves are doomed? You just made my day!</div>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>If it IS Lenya Thex, then there is at least one High Elf that was alive during the Age of Turmoil.  In EQ, Lenya was King Tearis Thex's daughter, though I believe she was kidnapped, and somehow was turned into a fish.  A false Lenia was in the dungeons of High Hold Keep.  In the quest, you had to make some magic fish food, and feed it to the princess in fish form in Lake Rathetear, which would momentarily turn her back into a High Elf.  It would really suck if she is a vampire now, she's deffinately endured a lot!  She is also mentioned by the Wood Elf in Willow Wood as the one who took up the throne after her father died, and helped to rebuild Felwithe.</P> <P>As a side note: Why can't the cities look more like New Tunaria!!!  THAT is how good Freeport and Qeynos should look!  I would be totally for several days of downtime if it meant city-wide reconstructions!  But that is an entirely different thread, and most likely for a different board *le sigh*</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Coniaric]

<P>There's a faction calling themselves the Myr'Dal (or something in that regard, I'll recheck that later). It's a group of the High Elves that realized something is deeply wrong with what they were doing and wanted to correct or change it.</P> <P>So, probably can say there are 3 groups inside New Tunaria, doing who knows what.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Myr'Dal are troglodites that live in Mistmoore Catacombs though.</DIV>

[Josgar]

The Myre'Dal are High Elves that know what is happening to them, in beta, when i killed NTs, I gained good faction with the Myre'Dal. When I heald my mouse over hteir name it said taht they were elves who have realised what is happening to them... Maybe it has changed.sorry for the typoes... don't want to fix them right now.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Josgar wrote:<BR>The Myre'Dal are High Elves that know what is happening to them, in beta, when i killed NTs, I gained good faction with the Myre'Dal. When I heald my mouse over hteir name it said taht they were elves who have realised what is happening to them... Maybe it has changed.<BR><BR>sorry for the typoes... don't want to fix them right now.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What are you talking about? in Beta, all I gained was negative faction to New Tunarians and the New Tunarian Arcane faction. No possitive faction of any sort.

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Josgar wrote:The Myre'Dal are High Elves that know what is happening to them, in beta, when i killed NTs, I gained good faction with the Myre'Dal. When I heald my mouse over hteir name it said taht they were elves who have realised what is happening to them... Maybe it has changed.sorry for the typoes... don't want to fix them right now. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>What are you talking about? in Beta, all I gained was negative faction to New Tunarians and the New Tunarian Arcane faction. No possitive faction of any sort.<hr></blockquote>Looks like the librarians may be the only New Tunarians that give positive faction with the Myre'Dal. Excerpts from my logs:(1161477931)[Sat Oct 21 20:45:31 2006] You have killed a librarian.(1161477931)[Sat Oct 21 20:45:31 2006] You stop fighting.(1161477931)[Sat Oct 21 20:45:31 2006] Your faction standing with New Tunarian Citizens got worse.(1161477931)[Sat Oct 21 20:45:31 2006] Your faction standing with Myre'Dal got better.(1163997707)[Sun Nov 19 23:41:47 2006] You have killed a Tunarian guard.(1163997707)[Sun Nov 19 23:41:47 2006] You stop fighting.(1163997707)[Sun Nov 19 23:41:47 2006] Your faction standing with New Tunarian Citizens got worse.(1163997707)[Sun Nov 19 23:41:47 2006] Your faction standing with Arcanists of Tunaria got worse.Makes sense though.  The librarians seem to be the keepers of history -- history that may not tell the whole truth about the Renda'Dal and what is happening to them.  If the Myre'Dal are elves that discovered the truth, killing those that are hiding it, would put you in their good graces.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Hmm. Thats interesting.</DIV>

[iceriven2]

<DIV>Besides how fae took over kelethin :p new tunaria interests me the most.  Unfortuanly i am unable to really play around much in the zone <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...Soo...keep up the good work andadd some new lor for my ready plearure !!! ty ! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kaeylum]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<DIV>The Myr'Dal are troglodites that live in Mistmoore Catacombs though.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Are they troglodites or are they werewolves?

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>They're not werewolves. They're elves, to be sure, but they're the creations of various experiments in Mistmoore.</DIV>

[Josgar]

Screenies of them?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Myrdal.jpg">

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Myrdal.jpg"><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So, ummm, what is that? rofl.   Some sort of elf being genetically forced into a monster of sort?  Are they "born" like that or are they an elf, then injected with some sort of serum, turning them into an EQ "hulk" ?  I can't wait to pick up EoF, drats to too much work...

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Like I said. Troglodites.</DIV>

[Josgar]

! THATS BILLY! I havent seen him since I lived in Felwithe! (he was captured before the Renda'Dal's life expectancy fell apart)<div></div>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>I've actually been meaning to ask about the Myr'Dal.  There's a section in New Tunaria that has camps of them, though they are given a different name.  They, like the satyrs there, are also NOT kos to you.  They are in an area called Isle of the Condemned.  I found it odd that the New Tunarians would let them stay in their city.  This is also text from a book you get in New Tunaria from a quest called Purification:</P> <P>A History of the Tunarians</P> <P>The past 500 years have been that of turmoil.  Our people, the Koada'Dal, have had to endure atrocities that we would not even wish upon our enemies.</P> <P>Beginning with the fall of Felwithe and the murder of King Thex, the inhabitants of the city were forced to flee into the mountains to survive.  The casualties from the war were great, andthe number of paladins were low.  A plan was to be formed, the home that Tunare gave to her people was to be retaken.</P> <P>In the mountains above the city the remaining paladins, priests and mages gathered.  They were to all at once draw upon the divine power of Tunare and expel the forces of Innoruuk that had seized control of the city.</P> <P>The siege of the city caused great destruction, even the mountain canyon that the city had been built in had taken damage.  Besides the remaining Koada'Dal there were no living things left in the canyon.  The agents of Innoruuk had during the final battle burned the trees, the grass and all of the other vegetation.  Even the great tree was on the verge of death.</P> <P>From the mountains came a wary ally.  The Myntr, a tribe of satyr from the plane of Growth came to tend to the tree.  It was sacred to them, and to their Mother Tunare.  They were unwilling at first to assist the Koada'Dal in rebuilding the city, and for a while left to the mountains above.  They left with the tree the tenders.  Beings of nature that would take care of the great tree.</P> <P>During the excavation and rebuilding of the city, historians found books that read of a time ages past.  Where the elves lived in the Eldar Forest, and closer to Tunare.  THe whole of what was Antonica and now the shattered lands used to be under the control and influence of the elves.</P> <P>These elves were different than the elves that the Koada'Dal saw in their own race.  They then noticed how the wood elf and half elf had become perversions of Tunare's perfect elf.  They looked upon their darker kin knowing their creation was a work of Innoruuk, they were no longer able to acknowledge that they had once been elf.  These historians convinced the council that there should be a purification, and a recreation of the perfect elf.</P> <P>It was decided that to become a new race of perfect Elf, they must leave behind their old names, and take upon a new name that would represent their devotion to Tunare, during her absence.  The name decided upon was the Renda'Dal, or more commonly the New Tunarians.  Family trees were created for the elves that could trace back their history, and those with the most pure blood were selected to bring about more pure blood elves.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>It stops there, unfortunately.  Seems somewhat imcomplete, but fascinating all the same.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Sedden]

<P>Hopefully the devs put in more books or quests that can truely explain whats happening in New Tunaria. With the vampires at night and this thing about the Queen being a Vampire herself i really want to know.</P> <P>Like i wanted to know whats the true story behind Stormhold's fall besides the BBC</P>

[Zard]

Renda'Dal sound a bit like the Aryan Race. A species of Elf with blond hair, blue eyes and "pure" blood line.

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DeathMutant wrote:<BR> Renda'Dal sound a bit like the Aryan Race. A species of Elf with blond hair, blue eyes and "pure" blood line.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think that the parallels are intentional.

[Coniaric]

<P>Another thing, if anyone went to Mistmoore Catacombs, and in the part of halls where the Tunarian guests and the orc guests are, you can watch a vampire (non-aggro) guiding a guest of either races (elf / orc) to a room with the priestesses. Once there, the guests are left on the raised platform. Eventually they were changed into the dreloks - as in replaced.</P> <P>That probably plays a part.</P>

[PinChaser]

that myr'dal pic looks alot like the moraks (i think thats what theyre called) from the original "Time Machine" movie<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>hmm.. They do, don't they?</DIV>

[Sartredes]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PinChaser wrote:<BR>that myr'dal pic looks alot like the moraks (i think thats what theyre called) from the original "Time Machine" movie<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just an FYI: They were called Morlocks.

[Emerix]

When i see the Myrdal i have to think of Ghouls somehow ... like ... the mutation that ahppens when the transformation to a vampire doesnt work .. no idea where i got taht form tho O.o

[DonalDubh]

You are thinking of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's vampire books, the Saint-Germain Chronicles. In her books a vampire can make a ghoul by an alchemical process involving the vampire blood. The ghoul does not change physically but gains many of the vampires benefits (increased strength, immunity to diseases) and an extended lifespan without the need to sleep in the day or problems crossing running water. They do not need to drink blood, but must eat raw, fresh-killed meat. Just like a vampire, though, any damage to the brain or spinal column is fatal.Long live Francesco Ragoczy, le Comte de Saint-Germain!<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Gukkor2]

<DIV>What I'd like to know is why they altered their own lifespan so drastically.  From what (little) I understand about the Renda'dal, they did this on purpose as part of the purification/repopulation process.  Perhaps some sort of nod to humanity's relative fertility?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gukkor2 on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Quite possible. By reducing your life span, you force a need to procreate more and more, speeding up the process of removing impurities from your genetic pool compaired to a race who only feels the need to procreate once or twice across thier 800 year lifespan.</DIV>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>If everybody is a vampire in New Tunaria, what's with the Servants of Mistmoore?  They are there during the day, but several of the guards turn into them at night.  They are roaming around, and it looks like they just kill citizens that get in their way (citizens *I* want to kill for PAGES, dammit...).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So why would they be killing them if everyone was in on it?</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>They arn't vampires. The servants of Mistmoore, who are vampires, are abducting citizens.</DIV>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>But...they CAN'T abduct them!!! they have my PAGES!!!  /cry</DIV>

[Miles T]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gukkor2 wrote:<div></div> <div>What I'd like to know is why they altered their own lifespan so drastically.  From what (little) I understand about the Renda'dal, they did this on purpose as part of the purification/repopulation process.  Perhaps some sort of nod to humanity's relative fertility?</div><p>Message Edited by Gukkor2 on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:45 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I don't get why people keep thinking that the New Tunarians have somehow shortened their lifespan as a race?  From reading...<b>"Zliten</b>: The old inhabitants of Felwithe were mostly slaughtered in the war, and almost brought to extinction. The ones who survived had no choice but to make use of magic to alter their growth and aging process. That, along with selective breeding, brought the New Tunarian inhabitants that you see today."All I see it saying is that the very few remaining elves needed to accelerate their growth simply to more quickly populate their new city.  So sure, the ones who had their growth accelerated would essentially not live as long as they likely would have, but I see no reason to extrapolate that and now say the Renda'Dal race has a shorter lifespan.  Their children can have long lives as other elves do.  Long life is a defining quality for elves in Tolkienesque mythologies, and EQ sure doesn't seem to be an exception.  It is not simply because you live a long time, it is that their whole culture and philosophies is largely attributed to their long life.  If a shorter life is somehow becoming "more pure" an elf in the Renda'Dal eyes, that just doesn't make any sense.  Especially since all other elves can now outlive them.Oh well, just saw this mentioned in a few other posts and couldn't resist commenting...<p>Message Edited by Miles Teg on <span class=date_text>01-06-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:54 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Quests and Books found inside New Tunaria explain why they shortened thier natural life expectancy below that of Humans.</DIV>

[Zarafein]

<DIV>Imo they failed the task to be more like the elddar elves again(like it is mentioned in the book there) if they start this with shorter live spans.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zarafein on <span class=date_text>01-06-2007</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Shorter Lifespans = the need to reproduce more often = The better chance those impurities will be erased from thier bloodlines.</DIV>

[Zarafein]

<DIV>But the elddar elves lived long, longer than koada'dal and this longe live is a reason for their great culture, also they must have been more open minded since they Feir'Dal and Koada'Dal spring from them(they had druids and rangers before the split) and Takish'Hiz was more in harmony with Nature than Felwithe and ..as well as i know they don't kill those strange outsiders from the future  on sight ( in everquest1 expansion prophecy of ro) like those Renda'Dal would do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They could aswell burn the forest and live underground, pure blood alone doesn't make them like the elves from the past.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zarafein on <span class=date_text>01-06-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:09 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Thats part two of the plan though. Get rid of the genetic impurities, THEN go back to being actual elves.</DIV>

[Miles T]

So then it is not really a dissadvantage, as some poeple have said, it is all under their control.  They will simply revert to long life when ever they feel it is the right time.How do you get access to these books in New Tunaria?  Do you just run around invis and look for them around the city?<div></div>

[Miles T]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zarafein wrote:<div></div> <div>But the elddar elves lived long, longer than koada'dal and this longe live is a reason for their great culture, also they must have been more open minded since they Feir'Dal and Koada'Dal spring from them(they had druids and rangers before the split) and Takish'Hiz was more in harmony with Nature than Felwithe and ..as well as i know they don't kill those strange outsiders from the future  on sight ( in everquest1 expansion prophecy of ro) like those Renda'Dal would do.</div> <div> </div> <div>They could aswell burn the forest and live underground, pure blood alone doesn't make them like the elves from the past.</div><p>Message Edited by Zarafein on <span class="date_text">01-06-2007</span> <span class="time_text">01:09 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I think something to remember when trying to rationalize these Renda'Dal is that even though they claim they are being more pure or will be and all that.  They are almost guaranteed to not be, and are simply screwed up in the head.  So yeah, you will find cases where what they are doing is either wrong, stupid, or just insane.  If anything, Tunare represents growth, no?  Growth is analogous to progress and change with some nurturing thrown in.  These elves are contradicting much if not everything of what their creator stands for.Then again, even though the current Renda'Dal don't appear to be "better", who is to say that at some point a future generation won't actually be better then the current Renda'Dal generation?  They may see the errors of their current generation's ways and attempt to atone for their evils, and the current generation may be fully aware of this, and accept their sacrifice for the sake of the future "better" generation.Just my speculations, I hope whatever the final story of these guys is, that it will be cool and interesting.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You gotta do a quest for the book.</DIV>

[Cakassis]

<DIV>They're inbreeding.  If they've really closed off their population, and only breeding within their population, then what we're likely seeing is the result of some elvish cousin-on-cousin action.  And if they've been doing this for a couple centuries then we're likely seeing the seriously whacked out results.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Tunaria is the Norrathian version of the mountains of West Virginia.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cakassis wrote:<BR> <DIV>They're inbreeding.  If they've really closed off their population, and only breeding within their population, then what we're likely seeing is the result of some elvish cousin-on-cousin action.  And if they've been doing this for a couple centuries then we're likely seeing the seriously whacked out results.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Tunaria is the Norrathian version of the mountains of West Virginia.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... Keep in mind they have thousands of citizens remaining. You only need a compliment of 8 females and 8 males to adequately repopulate a species without genetic defficiencies forming in the offspring. I dont think the New Tunarians are going to have a problem.

[Rui]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR>.... Keep in mind they have thousands of citizens remaining. You only need a compliment of 8 females and 8 males to adequately repopulate a species without genetic defficiencies forming in the offspring. I dont think the New Tunarians are going to have a problem.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sadly, that's just not true. Elven hillbillies, here we come!

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ruinx wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR>.... Keep in mind they have thousands of citizens remaining. You only need a compliment of 8 females and 8 males to adequately repopulate a species without genetic defficiencies forming in the offspring. I dont think the New Tunarians are going to have a problem.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sadly, that's just not true. Elven hillbillies, here we come!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Are the sounds of dueling banjos heard in the zone of New Tunaria? 

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>/shudders</P> <P>Don't leave me with that visual.</P>

[Jal]

That would explain where all the bards went.

[Rui]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote:<BR> <P>/shudders</P> <P>Don't leave me with that visual.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>At least you haven't got the mental picture of some halfling bent over a tree with a scraggle-toothed elf hollering "squeal like a pig!" behind him. Or maybe you have now!</P> <P>I'm frankly amazed that there are some people who want to defend the New Tunarians and suggest that their project is anything but evil insanity. In a recent dev chat there were people hoping they could get positive faction with them! Oh well, I suppose they're the kids who were just a little bit TOO keen on hearing about the Third Reich at school.</P>

[einar4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bionickai001 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Does anyone know what Renda' Dal means.  Like how Tier'Dal means elves of the abyss.  And what is the name of the new queen?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> Do the quests for the book in Tunaria.   I don't have it in front of me, but I think it means, "New Elf" </P> <P> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>"New Elf" and Queen Lenya Thex, formerly Princess Lenya Thex from EQlive.</DIV>

[DonalDubh]

As noted previously, Lenya Thex is PROBABLY a Vampire, so there is no problem with her being much older than the rest of the Tunarians, being Undead. I would suspect that she is not the same Lenya as in EQ1. Probably simply named for her foremother. Renda'Dal does indeed mean "Pure Elf" (see <a href="http://eq2i.com/articles/Category:Dal" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article at EQ2i.com</a> for more Elf names and meanings) I am not sure where Coniaric got his ideas about the Myr'Dal... Myr'Dal means Underground or Subterranean Elf, and is the name for the twisted cannibal monstrosities in the Mistmoore Catacombs. These were once elves, but have been reshaped by Mayong Mistmoore's evil. I assume that the Myr'Dal are the descendants of some of the kidnapped New Tunarians, probably an attempt at a breeding program by Mayong to create livestock. I am sure that if SOE was not afraid of the H. G. Wells estate lawyers, the Myr'Dal would have been named "Morlocks". :) The derivation is clear to see.

[Josgar]

She could actually be the same person, because High Elves do live for at least 800 years, and she probabbly opted out of the whole kill myself sooner thing.

[Kryussius]

As a (EQ-wise) lifelong Teir'Dal, the idea of high elves being reduced to inbred hillbillies is an absolutely glorious image! I approve! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Josgar]

Since I am not an imbred hillbilly, your claim only supports the Renda'Dal and I guess we have a common enemy, but that changes nothing!

[RaphaNissi]

<cite>DonalDubh wrote:</cite><blockquote>As noted previously, Lenya Thex is PROBABLY a Vampire, so there is no problem with her being much older than the rest of the Tunarians, being Undead. I would suspect that she is not the same Lenya as in EQ1. Probably simply named for her foremother. Renda'Dal does indeed mean "Pure Elf" (see <a href="http://eq2i.com/articles/Category<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />al" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article at EQ2i.com</a> for more Elf names and meanings) I am not sure where Coniaric got his ideas about the Myr'Dal... Myr'Dal means Underground or Subterranean Elf, and is the name for the twisted cannibal monstrosities in the Mistmoore Catacombs. These were once elves, but have been reshaped by Mayong Mistmoore's evil. I assume that the Myr'Dal are the descendants of some of the kidnapped New Tunarians, probably an attempt at a breeding program by Mayong to create livestock. I am sure that if SOE was not afraid of the H. G. Wells estate lawyers, the Myr'Dal would have been named "Morlocks". <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The derivation is clear to see. </blockquote>Where did the information for that article come from, may I ask?

[kellan123]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where did the information for that article come from, may I ask? </blockquote> *blink* It came from <a href="http://eq2i.com/articles/User:FlorenceSopher" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FlorenceSopher</a> themself, one the EQ2i admins, of course. Would you like their IP address? <i>(note: I'm kidding, but it's an attempt to show that a wiki page should be taken with a grain of salt. Awesome tools if used properly.)</i>

[RaphaNissi]

Kade@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where did the information for that article come from, may I ask? </blockquote> *blink* It came from <a href="http://eq2i.com/articles/User:FlorenceSopher" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FlorenceSopher</a> themself, one the EQ2i admins, of course. Would you like their IP address? <i>(note: I'm kidding, but it's an attempt to show that a wiki page should be taken with a grain of salt. Awesome tools if used properly.)</i> </blockquote>*nod*  I just didn't want people to take it all as absolute fact.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Josgar]

Where did I read, that High Elves shortened their lifespans in order to become New Tunarians?

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

i think their plan is to hump like bunnies until the hordes of NT elves crush all other races under their sheer numbers...

[StrafaeSwiftleaf]

<p>heres the deal guys,</p><p> Ive hung around Felwithe for a while now, and what I gather is this,</p><p>Yes they are doing selective breeding, yes the Queen is corupted and seeing Mayong. The Tunarians are actully being used under this breed a pure race mindest by Mistmoore. Think about it, why would Mayong want to hold influence over the current ruling power, be it Queen Thex? What better way to "feed" the castle and the rest of your vampire family, than by having the cattle breed themselves into sweeter and ever sweeter blood for the Vampires to exploit and feed off of. While your at it kidnap a few and twist them into more minions to bow to you! The taint of Mayong is the reason why Felwithe is in such the state it is. Work the Sword of destiny quest's ,It will bring a former High elf Pally back and he can smell Mayong having been in Felwithe.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>StrafaeSwiftleaf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>heres the deal guys,</p><p> Ive hung around Felwithe for a while now, and what I gather is this,</p><p>Yes they are doing selective breeding, yes the Queen is corupted and seeing Mayong. The Tunarians are actully being used under this breed a pure race mindest by Mistmoore. Think about it, why would Mayong want to hold influence over the current ruling power, be it Queen Thex? What better way to "feed" the castle and the rest of your vampire family, than by having the cattle breed themselves into sweeter and ever sweeter blood for the Vampires to exploit and feed off of. While your at it kidnap a few and twist them into more minions to bow to you! The taint of Mayong is the reason why Felwithe is in such the state it is. Work the Sword of destiny quest's ,It will bring a former High elf Pally back and he can smell Mayong having been in Felwithe.</p></blockquote>An interesting theory, and there's nothing to discredit it, but the other quests in New Tunaria suggest that the high council decided that becomming a new race and reverting back to thier origins was the best choice for the race right after the last war. Maybe Mayong's influence was among them back then. we dont know.

[bunnykiller69]

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin-left: 6pt; margin-right: 6pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">I will say after playing the game for almost four years I was looking forward to a home coming to the old city of elves as an original eq1 player. </span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">That apparently didn’t happen, I describe this to many people simply this way, its like playing a table top game and the quest is to return home to your nation and people. When you finally reach the end of your journey you find your home burned down, your family dead and your people hate you…great job storyteller. I would seriously fire this lore writer he ruined the lore for almost every elf I talk to about this topic is bitter and hates SOE calling this part of the lore <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">total </span>BS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>Some even have delusional plans of overthrowing the infidels like that will ever happen as soe wanted to poo on our elf faces apparently and hand the drow a new city gee thanks soe, your the best. Every elf I have ever talked to said that should be our city...gee figure that...</span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Sorry Soe the truth hurts sometimes =) </span></span></p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p></span></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p></p></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>bunnykiller69 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">I will say after playing the game for almost four years I was looking forward to a home coming to the old city of elves as an original eq1 player. </span></span></span><font color="#c0c0c0"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">That apparently didn’t happen, I describe this to many people simply this way, its like playing a table top game and the quest is to return home to your nation and people. When you finally reach the end of your journey you find your home burned down, your family dead and your people hate you…great job storyteller. I would seriously fire this lore writer he ruined the lore for almost every elf I talk to about this topic is bitter and hates SOE calling this part of the lore <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">total </span>BS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>Some even have delusional plans of overthrowing the infidels like that will ever happen as soe wanted to poo on our elf faces apparently and hand the drow a new city gee thanks soe, your the best. Every elf I have ever talked to said that should be our city...gee figure that...</span></span></span></p></p></p></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"></p></blockquote><p>I'm not trying to get your hopes up or anything, but I always did find it rather suspicious that New Tunaria was lacking any form of real content. It has very few named mobs, the few quests in there are pointless, and nothing is pointing to that zone (in terms of content) that requires the level of the zone to remain as it is.</p><p>Not saying it will happen, not even saying it might happen, but it seems to me that SoE designed that zone with the intent of it not remaining as it was first presented.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p>Well they did add in the level 70 raid instance of the New Tunarian Throne Room, with the toughest version of Mayong Mistmoore in it.</p><p style="text-align: center;"> </p>

[Noaani]

<p>Yep, but that was planned from the start.</p><p>If they were to do it (which I am still not saying either way), my theory is that the rest of the elves found out about the Queens association with Mayong, discovered she is a vampire, and barricaded her in, and set up rule elsewhere in the city.</p><p>The other option is that they may wait for that zone to be gray 9used even less than it is now), and simply remove it from the game.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>bunnykiller69 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin-left: 6pt; margin-right: 6pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">I will say after playing the game for almost four years I was looking forward to a home coming to the old city of elves as an original eq1 player. </span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">That apparently didn’t happen, I describe this to many people simply this way, its like playing a table top game and the quest is to return home to your nation and people. When you finally reach the end of your journey you find your home burned down, your family dead and your people hate you…great job storyteller. I would seriously fire this lore writer he ruined the lore for almost every elf I talk to about this topic is bitter and hates SOE calling this part of the lore <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">total </span>BS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>Some even have delusional plans of overthrowing the infidels like that will ever happen as soe wanted to poo on our elf faces apparently and hand the drow a new city gee thanks soe, your the best. Every elf I have ever talked to said that should be our city...gee figure that...</span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Sorry Soe the truth hurts sometimes =) </span></span></p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p></blockquote><p>Kinda hard to fire Vhalen at this point. He left SOE for another job a year ago now.</p>

[Arianah]

<p><cite>bunnykiller69 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin-left: 6pt; margin-right: 6pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">I will say after playing the game for almost four years I was looking forward to a home coming to the old city of elves as an original eq1 player. </span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #00ff00;">That apparently didn’t happen, I describe this to many people simply this way, its like playing a table top game and the quest is to return home to your nation and people. When you finally reach the end of your journey you find your home burned down, your family dead and your people hate you…great job storyteller. I would seriously fire this lore writer he ruined the lore for almost every elf I talk to about this topic is bitter and hates SOE calling this part of the lore <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">total </span>BS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>Some even have delusional plans of overthrowing the infidels like that will ever happen as soe wanted to poo on our elf faces apparently and hand the drow a new city gee thanks soe, your the best. Every elf I have ever talked to said that should be our city...gee figure that...</span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"> </p><p style="margin: 0in 6pt 0pt;"><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Sorry Soe the truth hurts sometimes =) </span></span></p><span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p></span></span></p></blockquote><p>(Note: only read the most recent posts)</p><p>The light Elves got Kelethin, the Dark Elves got Neriak. Kelethin wasn't originally a Fae home, 500 years ago that is where the Fier`Dal, some Half Elves and Koada`Dal lived. Now, it is home to the Fae and all the Faydwer descendants who have lost their homes in Ak'Anon, Kaladim, and Felwithe (High Elves weren't the only ones to lose their home city).</p><p>I have both a Half and a Wood Elf, and as either, I wouldn't choose Felwithe as my dream home on Faydwer. High Elves have never been quite accepting of other Elves, dark or not. They've always thought of them as inferior, and that's not how I want to be treated in my home town <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> personally</p><p>And... drow? Wrong fantasy world eheh</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Kinda hard to fire Vhalen at this point. He left SOE for another job a year ago now.</blockquote><p><span ><strong>Vhalen</strong>Ranking: Developer </span><span >Registration date:</span> <strong><span >11/10/2004 21:22:23</span></strong> <em><span >Last Online:</span> <strong><span >03/20/2009 11:09:12</span></strong> </em></p><p>Just sayin.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yep, but that was planned from the start.</p><p>If they were to do it (which I am still not saying either way), my theory is that the rest of the elves found out about the Queens association with Mayong, discovered she is a vampire, and barricaded her in, and set up rule elsewhere in the city.</p><p>The other option is that they may wait for that zone to be gray 9used even less than it is now), and simply remove it from the game.</p></blockquote><p>Well, after the Throne of New Tunaria instance, Mayong took Lenya away to his castle and she's there now in the Manor. She said she will not return to New Tunaria and will remain where she is in hope she can help the Freethinkers.</p><p>I am sure she knew she will not be accepted back into high elf society after what happened with her turning into a vampire and associating with Mayong. Instead, she had asked us to find the Crown of Thex and to return it to New Tunaria so the high elves can find another member of the royalty to be seated on the throne.</p><p>Maybe we'll see a new high elf king or queen eventually. Who knows.</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Just sayin'...</blockquote><p>Not sure if you picked up on it, but I was simply pointing out that Vhalen was still logging in, and still on his dev account.</p><p>I am more than aware of the comings and goings of the development staff, that does not change the fact that he still logs in.</p>

[Shareana]

<p>Please refrain from posting PM's from other posters... </p><p>Closing this post down since it has strayed from the original purpose to a bickering battle that invade other's privacy.....  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>