EoF Revelations

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>**EoF Lore Spoiler Incoming**</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, this might not be a spoiler, but it's the first I've heard of it. All of this comes from the <A href="http://www.gamespot.com" target=_blank>www.gamespot.com</A> coverage of EQ2: Echoes of Faydwer:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"If you've noticed the appearance of prophets lately in EverQuest II, there's a reason for that. There's a new deity system in the expansion which lets you select a god from whom you can gain blessings and miracles by sacrificing items and accomplishing quests. You will even be able to set up altars in their houses for that purpose. This reflects the larger idea in the expansion that the power of the gods is slowly returning to the world. <FONT color=#33cc00>Indeed, part of the focus in Echoes of Faydwer is dealing with a power leakage from the goddess of growth, which is fueling monstrous growth of ordinary plants. Part of your tasks might involve finding the source of the leak, as well as dealing with the humongous dragon that defends it.</FONT>"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So it looks like Tunare will have a pretty large role in the backdrop for EQ2. That's not too surprising, considering Faydwer was the domain of the elves and the Mother herself in EQ1. Her power is leaking into the world? And who is the dragon she has guarding over the leakage... or did the dragon decide to show up of his own accord?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any clues/guesses/theories/or otherwise comments?</DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <FONT color=#33cc00>Indeed, part of the focus in Echoes of Faydwer is dealing with a power leakage from the goddess of growth, which is fueling monstrous growth of ordinary plants. Part of your tasks might involve finding the source of the leak, as well as dealing with the humongous dragon that defends it.</FONT>"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This confirms an earlier theory of mine. Namely that the Plane of Sky isn't the only victim of whatever damage was sustained to the planes during Planes of Power. I wouldn't be surprised to see other planar spillages in other areas of Norrath at a later date.<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>09-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:53 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Yeah, it states that the power leakage is from the Goddess of Growth... which leads me to believe Tunare herself is behind it, and it's not just another "planar leakage" like the Plane of Sky.</DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

<P>Casting Tunare as the villain of Echoes of Faydwer by saying you have to clean up the mess that she's made would be an odd plot twist to say the least. Having gods previously defined as good turn out to be evil is something that I've only ever seen in one story before. Heck, it was a cool plot twist, but I don't see it happening here in EQ2.</P> <P>Whatever this planar leakage is doing, if you have to fix the leak, then it's probably not going to be Tunare's fault.</P><p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>09-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:04 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah, it states that the power leakage is from the Goddess of Growth... which leads me to believe Tunare herself is behind it, and it's not just another "planar leakage" like the Plane of Sky.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now you see, THAT makes more sense than the Planar Leakage theory, because Tunare's prophet states that Tunare has been sleeping this entire time while she recovered her power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taking a page from the Bastion of Thunder, whenever Karana is placed in a meditative sleep, either willingly or forced by other means, storms and chaos unleash themselves all over against his control.</DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah, it states that the power leakage is from the Goddess of Growth... which leads me to believe Tunare herself is behind it, and it's not just another "planar leakage" like the Plane of Sky.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now you see, THAT makes more sense than the Planar Leakage theory, because Tunare's prophet states that Tunare has been sleeping this entire time while she recovered her power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taking a page from the Bastion of Thunder, whenever Karana is placed in a meditative sleep, either willingly or forced by other means, storms and chaos unleash themselves all over against his control.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Point.

[RoninSenshi]

<P>Faydwer was the domain of the elves and the Mother herself in EQ1. </P> <P>"The Mother" Tunare's domian was hidden in the Jungle on Velious, Wakening Land. You accessed the Plane of Growth from there.</P> <P>Also, I am not sure this means Tunare is a villan. For all we know, this could be an accident, or caused by some other force (Namely the big bad dragon).</P> <P>Of course, were Shintou still active, he'd be saying this was the causeo of Tunares evil Growth :p. But in reality, this is probably not the case.</P>

[Jait]

<DIV>It's the perfect setup.  Good stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good races will look to find the reason behind this source of leakage and help their Goddess to correct it.  It's not her fault</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Evil races will seek the source of these troubles and wantonly kill anything behind it.  Especially that goody-two shoes Tunare!</DIV>

[Xaly]

<P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Okay, let’s talk about Tunare for a minute, shall we?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Tunare, the Mother of All; how did she get that title?<SPAN>  </SPAN>And why is Innoruuk immured in Hate?<SPAN>  </SPAN>It’s all because of The Divorce.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Long, long ago Tunare and Innoruuk were married.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And their children were the Dal … just the Dal.<SPAN>  </SPAN>They were not Koada’dal, Teir’dal or Feir’dal. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT size=2>Into this harmony came Solusek Ro.<SPAN>  </SPAN>He and Mom began an affair.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Once Dad found out, he was incensed!<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Of course, Mom and Dad were divorced.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It was not an amicable divorce.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And she took the children (the Dal).</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Some of us wished to go with Dad (Teir’dal … hello!).<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom was against this.<SPAN>  </SPAN>So, Dad came and got us. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Mom told awful stories about it all … how Dad kidnapped us and warped us.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom never got over us wanting to go with Dad, but we felt sorry for him.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom was off running around with Solusek Ro and didn’t have time for us anyways.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The younger kids believe Mom and really don’t want anything to with us anymore.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Whatever.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Dad got more and more melancholy and hateful.<SPAN>  </SPAN>A bad divorce will do it to anyone.<SPAN>  </SPAN>So, now he spends most of his time in the Plane of Hate listening to sad songs played by the Maestro.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We got him to go out to the Plane of Time a few times, but his heart wasn’t in it.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>The thing with Mom and Sol Ro ended badly too, Dessert of Ro, anyone?</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>We’ve kind of lost track of whom Mom took up with next … Mith Marr?<SPAN>  </SPAN>Who knows?<SPAN>  </SPAN>(But it could be how we got Frogloks.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Thanks, Mom!)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Anyways, Mom is still slutting around; being a complete hippy in the Plane of Growth.<SPAN>  </SPAN>She isn’t the sweet angel she wants everyone to believe she is.<SPAN>  </SPAN>But I figure once she burns enough people they’ll figure it out.</FONT></SPAN></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xaly wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Okay, let’s talk about Tunare for a minute, shall we?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Tunare, the Mother of All; how did she get that title?<SPAN>  </SPAN>And why is Innoruuk immured in Hate?<SPAN>  </SPAN>It’s all because of The Divorce.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Long, long ago Tunare and Innoruuk were married.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And their children were the Dal … just the Dal.<SPAN>  </SPAN>They were not Koada’dal, Teir’dal or Feir’dal. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT size=2>Into this harmony came Solusek Ro.<SPAN>  </SPAN>He and Mom began an affair.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Once Dad found out, he was incensed!<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Of course, Mom and Dad were divorced.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It was not an amicable divorce.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And she took the children (the Dal).</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Some of us wished to go with Dad (Teir’dal … hello!).<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom was against this.<SPAN>  </SPAN>So, Dad came and got us. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Mom told awful stories about it all … how Dad kidnapped us and warped us.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom never got over us wanting to go with Dad, but we felt sorry for him.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mom was off running around with Solusek Ro and didn’t have time for us anyways.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The younger kids believe Mom and really don’t want anything to with us anymore.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Whatever.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Dad got more and more melancholy and hateful.<SPAN>  </SPAN>A bad divorce will do it to anyone.<SPAN>  </SPAN>So, now he spends most of his time in the Plane of Hate listening to sad songs played by the Maestro.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We got him to go out to the Plane of Time a few times, but his heart wasn’t in it.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>The thing with Mom and Sol Ro ended badly too, Dessert of Ro, anyone?</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>We’ve kind of lost track of whom Mom took up with next … Mith Marr?<SPAN>  </SPAN>Who knows?<SPAN>  </SPAN>(But it could be how we got Frogloks.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Thanks, Mom!)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Anyways, Mom is still slutting around; being a complete hippy in the Plane of Growth.<SPAN>  </SPAN>She isn’t the sweet angel she wants everyone to believe she is.<SPAN>  </SPAN>But I figure once she burns enough people they’ll figure it out.</FONT></SPAN></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>lol. This reminds me of that fan story revolving around the Corruption of Lesser Feydark in 2001 in EQlive. The official story was that Cazic Thule corrupted the forest, and the only way to cure the taint was for Firiona Vie to summon the Avatar of Tunare herself with a ritual. Well Tunare came to Norrath but then Cazic Thule himself came down to try and stop her, and they battled it out. Cazic obviously lost and the forest returned to normal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, the fan story went a little bit different, that involved Tunare losing, and Cazic Thule taking her back to the Plane of Fear to do.... well.. lewd and naughty things to her... >_></DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShintouShinai wrote: <P>"The Mother" Tunare's domian was hidden in the Jungle on Velious, Wakening Land. You accessed the Plane of Growth from there.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes, I realize that the Plane of Growth is Tunare's plane and her home... I was just trying to bring to attention that Tunare had a big part in the lands of Faydwer in EQ1.</P> <P>And, I didn't mean to imply that Tunare is a "villain." Just that she's somehow directly related to the power leak... that could be approached a number of different ways.</P>

[Moorgard]

<P>Life is funny. Sometimes things seem to happen by chance. Other times, they happen precisely when they are intended to.</P> <P>Take another look at the intro slideshow or the Tome of Destiny. Even after the gods withdrew from Norrath, they managed to set a variety of plans in motion. Little things like a major war, battles between avatars, and such.</P> <P>Makes you wonder what other things they had planned before they left. When you think about it, it's kind of like their influence wasn't so absent after all...</P>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <P>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</P> <P>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</P></FONT><BR>

[Homeskillet]

    Like Moorgard said, take another look at the Tome of Destiny. When the dark gods were making their deals and putting things in motion, so too did Karana, Quellios, and Tunare.The Plane of Growth was not in Velious, the Plane of Growth is where the Plane of Growth is, but...the Wakening Lands were created as a result of Tunare opening that portal there, and leaking out the very essence of Growth there. This led to what we all saw, in the middle of a frozen continent, there was a lush, fertile forest that faught against the Kromzek and served as a habitat for the Fay and other creatures. I am sure many of us also remember that aside from the fact that Skyshrine bordered the Wakening Lands, Wuoshi fits the bill of a dragon guardian if I am not mistaken. This may be closely related.<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:    Like Moorgard said, take another look at the Tome of Destiny. When the dark gods were making their deals and putting things in motion, so too did Karana, Quellios, and Tunare.The Plane of Growth was not in Velious, the Plane of Growth is where the Plane of Growth is, but...the Wakening Lands were created as a result of Tunare opening that portal there, and leaking out the very essence of Growth there. This led to what we all saw, in the middle of a frozen continent, there was a lush, fertile forest that faught against the Kromzek and served as a habitat for the Fay and other creatures. I am sure many of us also remember that aside from the fact that Skyshrine bordered the Wakening Lands, Wuoshi fits the bill of a dragon guardian if I am not mistaken. This may be closely related.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Some good points in there.  If you take a look at what the growth did to the Wakening Lands, then can you imagine how it might be dangerous having it happen in a place that is already rich in growth like Faydwer?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <P>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</P> <P>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</P></FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.

[Kel]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Coccinea_Maga wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</div> <hr> </blockquote><font size="2"> <p>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</p> <p>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</p></font> <hr> </blockquote>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.<hr></blockquote>No. The known ENTRANCES to those two Planes were located in Velious. The planes themselves were not. In all reality, the planes could have entrances anywhere at any given point in time, we just only knew of the one. <div></div>

[Miranni]

It would be more correct to say "The entrance to the Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious." The planes themselves are not actually on Norrath... at least so it seems.I hope it is woushi... I loved trioing him with druids <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Rhona]

<div><blockquote><hr>RaphaNissi wrote:<div>Some good points in there.  If you take a look at what the growth did to the Wakening Lands, then can you imagine how it might be dangerous having it happen in a place that is already rich in growth like Faydwer?</div><hr></blockquote><font size="2">While the impact on Faydwer is speculation, the impact on The Baubbleshire is quite noticable.  This Gnome could easily look over most of the Baubbleshire when leaving the wholesaler in the past.  Now, all she sees is some oversized grass reaching over her head.  And there's some very large grass sprouts growing inside of the Inn.Food for thought, anyway,Rho</font></div>

[juz]

Wasn't Wuoshi a wuss?

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <P>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</P> <P>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</P></FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Saying that Growth and Mischief were located in Velious, is like saying Hate and Sky were located in the reagent stones wizards used for the teleportation; they were only points of access.<BR></P>

[Wilin]

<blockquote><hr>juzamaku wrote:Wasn't Wuoshi a wuss?<hr></blockquote>So was Naggy, but things change over time.

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>juzamaku wrote:Wasn't Wuoshi a wuss?<hr></blockquote> To a prepared raid... or kiting team he was... but he was an annoying pain in the but to KoS people that tried to port into the zone and died before they got in all the way.

[Krooner]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <P>Life is funny. Sometimes things seem to happen by chance. Other times, they happen precisely when they are intended to.</P> <P>Take another look at the intro slideshow or the Tome of Destiny. Even after the gods withdrew from Norrath, they managed to set a variety of plans in motion. Little things like a major war, battles between avatars, and such.</P> <P>Makes you wonder what other things they had planned before they left. When you think about it, it's kind of like their influence wasn't so absent after all...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sorta like Devine Cruise-Control.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <P>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</P> <P>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</P></FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Saying that Growth and Mischief were located in Velious, is like saying Hate and Sky were located in the reagent stones wizards used for the teleportation; they were only points of access.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do such semantics REALLY TRUELY need to be said? It's pretty easy to figure out what someone means when they say that.

[ProphecyCT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <P>Life is funny. Sometimes things seem to happen by chance. Other times, they happen precisely when they are intended to.</P> <P>Take another look at the intro slideshow or the Tome of Destiny. Even after the gods withdrew from Norrath, they managed to set a variety of plans in motion. Little things like a major war, battles between avatars, and such.</P> <P>Makes you wonder what other things they had planned before they left. When you think about it, it's kind of like their influence wasn't so absent after all...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Makes me wonder if Tunare had planned on a Tree being killing people by the thousands =P.  It's obiviously a conspiracy between the menders and Tunare planned years ago.  Tunare would create a being that would cause massive death / repair costs and the menders would share the profit with her!   How evil!

[Dejah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <P>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</P> <P>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</P></FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Saying that Growth and Mischief were located in Velious, is like saying Hate and Sky were located in the reagent stones wizards used for the teleportation; they were only points of access.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do such semantics REALLY TRUELY need to be said? It's pretty easy to figure out what someone means when they say that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't?  I'm too busy wondering if there were snakes aboard the Plane of Growth when it departed Velious.<BR>

[DreamerClou]

Snakes on a plane? Brilliant!  hmmm I wonder how a movie about this would be...

[EvilIguana9]

You're all wrong.  Growth and Mischief are located in California, in an air conditioned server farm.<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>DreamerCloud9 wrote:<div></div>Snakes on a plane? Brilliant!  hmmm I wonder how a movie about this would be...<hr></blockquote>Ok, the next expansion needs to be about the shissar being on one of the planes of the gods, just so they can call it Snakes on a Plane... of Fear (or whatever)The epic boss mob of the expansion could be a_moss_snake_001 with ninja flying kick action <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote:<BR> Snakes on a plane? Brilliant!  hmmm I wonder how a movie about this would be...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, the next expansion needs to be about the shissar being on one of the planes of the gods, just so they can call it Snakes on a Plane... of Fear (or whatever)<BR><BR>The epic boss mob of the expansion could be a_moss_snake_001 with ninja flying kick action <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>rofl!<BR></P>

[TaleraRis]

Wuoshi is a possibility, but don't forget there was Rolandal, too.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

Wuoshi and Rolandal had nothing against Tunare though, nor did they support her either.

[RpTheHotrod]

<DIV>*wonders if this might have anything to do with the commonlands starting to spring forth green life*</DIV>

[Gormak]

<P>I believe the foe you seek in the Faydwer is much much more powerful than petty draconic plebs such as whooshi.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>**SPOILER BELOW**</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>A mighty foe from the past now lurks in Faydwer, abandoning his temple home of his god.</P> <P><A href="http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/Vulak'Aer_concept.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/Vulak'Aer_concept.jpg</A></P> <P> </P> <P>i love a tease <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Nice teaser. VULAK'AER right there in the name of the link.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW: That's Lord Vyemm. I know because I just got wasted by him a few times a few minutes ago.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heck. Here's another screenshot from the same website.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/vulak'aer.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/vulak'aer.jpg</A></DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>09-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:18 PM</span>

[Gormak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nice teaser. VULAK'AER right there in the name of the link.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW: That's Lord Vyemm. I know because I just got wasted by him a few times a few minutes ago.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heck. Here's another screenshot from the same website.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/vulak'aer.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/igallery/1/Everquest_2_Echoes_of_Faydwer/vulak'aer.jpg</A></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>09-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:18 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>yes... there is a slight resemblance inst there :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>But.... spoiler sites can never ever be wrong... that would just be loke cruel.</P> <P></Sarcasm></P> <P>:smileywink:</P> <P>Edit:</P> <P>All that said, whats the similarity in appearance between Vulak and Vyemm in EQ1? :smileywink:</P><p>Message Edited by Gormak on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>However, Lord Vyemm and Vulak'Aer both had the same models in EQlive so it's acceptible that they do in EQ2 as well.</DIV>

[TaleraRis]

I just double checked. Vyemm's pic on Alla's looks very very red. Vulak'Aerr is purple.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TaleraRis wrote:<BR>I just double checked. Vyemm's pic on Alla's looks very very red. Vulak'Aerr is purple.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Do keep in mind the factor of Ultravision or Infravision as the screenshots are either taken by a Dark elf or any other race who wasn't Human, Barbarian, or Erudite.</P> <P> </P> <P>Either way, as a human, and having seen both, they are both the same red modeled dragon in EQlive.</P>

[KniteShayd]

<P>/sigh</P> <P>If you look at the screen shots of Lesser Faydark, you pretty much get an idea of what/where Tunare's influences can be felt.</P> <P>Just look at the size of those vines, mushrooms, roots, and flowers!...</P> <P>I don't ever recall any foliage or vegitation like <EM>that</EM> in EQLive.</P>

[Kindayr]

<P>I'm telling you right now, this is caused from when the two alternate universes crashed into one another after the Time Trials.</P>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kindayr wrote:<BR> <P>I'm telling you right now, this is caused from when the two alternate universes crashed into one another after the Time Trials.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The plane leakage I thought was caused from adventures raiding the gods planes.  Some of the the planes were decaying and a select few ceased to exist at all.

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Personally, I just think it's Tunare's way of protecting her interests during the absence of the Gods. Leaking some of her power into the world behind the backs of the other Gods doesn't make her evil, just prepared.</DIV>

[Bhagpuss]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Coccinea_Maga wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</div> <hr> </blockquote><font size="2"> <p>The Plane of Growth isn't located in Velious, as it is another plane of existence. In EQLive, it happened to intersect with the Prime Material plane at a spot in Velious, which allowed adventures access to Growth. After Tunare withdrew from the events of Norrath, she more than likely closed that entrance.</p> <p>Whatever the cause of the tear, it may have been deliberately opened on Faydwer.  We'll have to wait and see.</p></font> <hr> </blockquote>.... That's basicly what I said. The Plane of Growth (and the Plane of Mischief) were located in Velious.<hr></blockquote>Having a portal located in Velious and being "located in Velious" are entirely different. Alter Planes cannot be located in the Prime Material Plane, only accessed from it. Otherwise we may as well forget the concept of Planes altogether and just treat them all as zones in the same Plane.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>STOP ARGUING SEMANTICS!</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

Unfortunately, in this case the wording can be a bit misleading to those who have never played EQ and seen the original planes of Growth and Mischief or their entrances.  <span>:smileysad:  On the original topic, I'm very curious in learning exactly what IS going on and how this leak is happening with Tunare supposedly asleep.  I also find it interesting how her power seems to be leaking through the druid rings in the Commonlands (as most of us have seen),  Maybe it's leaking through some rings on Faydwer as well.</span><div></div>

[KniteShayd]

perhaps we'll see more of this continued growth through out norrath around the rest of the rings.

[RaphaNissi]

I was just running around Nek and wondered if Innoruuk's power is leaking as well which has caused things such as the "rose of Innoruuk" and the "spiteweed" to appear.  Things to ponder...<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>I was just running around Nek and wondered if Innoruuk's power is leaking as well which has caused things such as the "rose of Innoruuk" and the "spiteweed" to appear.  Things to ponder...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That is entirely possible since the quest line in Nektulos forest eventually reveals that for countless ages, the entire Nektulos Forest has been one huge single living, breathing entity, that only just now is waking up from slumber. It is filled with immense hatred for all foreign creatures that inhabit the forest. I'm not just talking about the last 500 years. It's been sleeping for countless millenia.

[TaleraRis]

Possibly, but those spiteweeds and roses have been in there for a while, since the big revamp I think, if not sooner than that. I wasn't in Nek very much before the big revamp to say one way or the other on that.

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>I think it's very possible that most, if not all, of the Gods left some of their influence behind while they were "away" from Norrath. Did they do it without knowing that the other Gods had the same ideal? Did they do it in agreeance with the other Gods? It will be interesting to see how the Gods react to one another when they see that some of them never truly completely left.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

I was just reading over the Lore of Fauna :Behemoth book again and am wondering if maybe that dragon "guarding" the source of the leak is really a behemoth.  Here are a couple of passages from the book that made me think of this as a possibility. <i>The behemoths acted as cleansers of exterminators to the world, mother Norrath's ultimate guardians, not the children of deities.I believe there to be a quasi place sprung off the plane of growth where many of these beasts will always lumber.</i>The EoF lore mentions that it is a "humongous" dragon.  The description of the Behemoth could very easily fit the bill for this monster in Faydwer.<i>The Behemoth were a race of immense reptile like beasts of gargantuan proportions.  They were easily some 180 meters in length with a very broad ribcage.  Their limbs were long and powerful, perfect for striking down the greatest of prey.</i>    <i>The tails of these beasts accounted for one quarter of their total length. They often employed the tail in battle with larger beasts of their era.  The swipe of such a tail could kill a wurm.  They walked upon all fours, but fossils have indicated they most likely rose up their hind legs during battles.</i>Thoughts?<i></i><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Nah.</DIV>

[Vhalen]

The behemoth has an association to Faydwer that has yet to be revealed. There is a titanic tale that involves this creature. Your journeys in the rediscovered lands may uncover this tale about a mythological creature that once thundered across Faydwer. It was a time when mountain passes were formed in fury, steppes thundered, tidal waves crushed and mariners screamed in horror. But that is enough of that, for now.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>wait, the Behemoths still existed when certain races were already seafarers?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hmm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh well. Change of subject. The Fae and the other races can play as monks in Kelethin. In order for the class to exist, there has to be lore behind it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm willing to bet that the main reason the Fae know anything of martial arts is because they were tought the Teachings of Master Wu and established a new order based around him. I can't wait to discover his encampment from ages past again.</DIV>

[Badtidings]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> ... It was a time when mountain passes were formed in fury, steppes thundered, tidal waves crushed and mariners screamed in horror...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So basically it happened during the revival of the Orcish Musical?</P> <P> </P>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>wait, the Behemoths still existed when certain races were already seafarers?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>hmm.</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote>It would stand to reason since the remains in Nektulos Forest came about during the Age of War. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Alg]

<DIV>This gives me several ideas.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a) EQlive Beta, a Black Dragon once stood where Ak-anon was.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>b) Anyone REmember a certain Water Dragon from a Druid Epic quest? Had an intresting name if i remember correctly...</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Feydadar in Timerous Deep.</DIV>

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alger wrote:<BR> <DIV>This gives me several ideas.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a) EQlive Beta, a Black Dragon once stood where Ak-anon was.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Edril, the High Elf who helped the Gnomes establish a home in the Steamfont Mountains, slew a Plague Dragon.  I'm not sure what color Plague Dragons are, but in AD&D and other fantasy games, Black Dragons have an acid breath weapon, not a plague weapon.<BR>

[Wilin]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<DIV>Feydadar in Timerous Deep.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Not to be picky, but it was <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=4470" target=_blank>Faydedar</a> actually. I saw him many times standing over my corpse.

[IrishWonder]

<DIV> <DIV>Yeah, the "last known Behemoth," according to the Fauna book, was slain during the Age of War. There are some important connections that I think can be made here, too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the Fauna book (I think it's in there, can't log in to check right now... may have been in a Vhalen post), it's stated that there is believed to be a plane, attached or related to the Plane of Nature in some way I think, where these creatures (Behemoths) constantly roam the lands. It's the Goddess of Nature herself, Tunare, who has been leaking her power into Faydwer. Now we hear that Faydwer has a pretty nasty history with a Behemoth in the past.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's a whole lotta coincidences....</DIV></DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Pardon me if this has already been addressed:</P> <P>If Faydwer is returning, does that mean that The Ocean of Tears is returning also?</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>We wish.</DIV>

[Waroa]

This is just a guess but i wonder if that "dragon skeleton" in steamfont is really a beheamoth skeleton. The beheamoth skeleton in nek looks similar to a dragon skeleton. Perhaps the "dragon skeleton" in steamfont is really a more complete version of a beheamoth's remains.

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Well exactly how is one supposed to GET from Antonica to Faydwer, (I'll use the old collective term here, for all of the new EQ2 islands) then?</P> <P>Oh, please, please, PLEASE, don't tell me we get there on a magic carpet or some other cheesy mechanism!</P>

[DeviousPande]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mary the Prophetess wrote:<div></div> <p>Well exactly how is one supposed to GET from Antonica to Faydwer, (I'll use the old collective term here, for all of the new EQ2 islands) then?</p> <p>Oh, please, please, PLEASE, don't tell me we get there on a magic carpet or some other cheesy mechanism!</p><hr></blockquote>Well..You see, Mary...<img src="http://www.unitedmaskandparty.com/Halloween/images/colorful_wings.JPG">Yeah...It'll be tough for those Trolls and Ogres to use them though..Haha, I hope we just get another bell..Though really..Its not that important of an issue..I suppose.</div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Probably right about the bells.  The other is NOT an option!</P> <P>It's a shame though.  The bell bypasses so much content for the Ocean of Tears.  What has SOE got against ships and oceans anyway?</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Shattering and Rending completely destroyed all the oceans as we knew them, and created completley new ones. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Ocean of Tears no longers exists, but...</DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Not necessarily.  The Rending and the Shattering devastated Antonica, certainly.  It remains to be seen whether the Faydwer suffered as greatly.</P> <P>At any rate. oceans still exist (by whatever name).  They still connect land masses.  It would be nice to see that in the game.</P>

[DeviousPande]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mary the Prophetess wrote:<div></div> <p>Not necessarily.  The Rending and the Shattering devastated Antonica, certainly.  It remains to be seen whether the Faydwer suffered as greatly.</p> <p>At any rate. oceans still exist (by whatever name).  They still connect land masses.  It would be nice to see that in the game.</p><hr></blockquote>I do think it would be nice to be able to take boat rides..But..After time..People will get so aggrivated that it takes 5 minutes to get from 1 island to another that they'll just want to be able to do it instantly...Having a choice of boat ride of instantly would help, but not by much..I dont think your group would want to wait for you while you enjoy the ride..</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You missed my point. The Ocean of Tears no longer exists. Whatever remains of it has more than likely been renamed to something else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to mention that Butcherblock got hit, so..</DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>The Shattering and Rending completely destroyed all the oceans as we knew them, and created completley new ones.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The Ocean of Tears no longers exists, but...</div><hr></blockquote>Now I'll admit, I'm no geologist, but I would think that the only way to "destroy" an ocean would be to have a dry landmass appear in it's place, otherwise it would still be an ocean, wouldn't it?  So, unless a new continent has suddenly appeared, the Ocean of Tears would still exist; it may be named something else, but it's still there.</div>

[uberpaco]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>This doesn't mean that the Plane of Growth, located in Velious, has any impact on Feydwere. Considering there is a DRAGON behind it all...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Behind it or just taking advantedges of the leak (or put there to guard) ?</P> <P> </P> <P>Second: Tunare leaking.  Yuck, get her a diaper or something or a medic as it sounds like she has been around the block a couple of times :smileywink:</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Ugh. I didn't need to wake up to read that....</DIV>

[RaistNA]

<DIV>its been stated a couple of different places that the dragon is the old ruler of ToV...Vulak whatever.  If i remember correctly in the lore of the origin of the dragons, Vyemm's family tree and this dragons are connected (explains why they look alike).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People are all saying Tunare is evil for leaking or this wouldnt make sence, it does tho, and not in an evil manner.  Tunare's children lived on this cont. and survived off the wildlife.  After the shattering, it was prolly pretty decimated, wouldnt it make sence for her, on a mothering aspect, to let some of her power leak to help this area regrow quicker?  Now as a dragon, particularly one that was the bad dog of ToV ur prolly not too nice, and pretty quick to take advantage of things.  A <STRONG><EM>GOD </EM></STRONG>leaking power would be a real nice chance to leech some of that for urself im sure....</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Vulak'Aerr was the RULER of the temple of Veeshan. He wasn't exactly a bad seed, but it is hinted that he did abandon the temple for whatever reason may be.</DIV>

[RaistNA]

<DIV>hehe i didnt mean bad seed, i meant bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  =-D</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He was a tough mob, would make since for him to be one of the remaining dragons to still have an influance.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh I get It now. the bad Dawg.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>RaistNA wrote:<div>its been stated a couple of different places that the dragon is the old ruler of ToV...Vulak whatever.  If i remember correctly in the lore of the origin of the dragons, Vyemm's family tree and this dragons are connected (explains why they look alike).</div><div> </div><div>People are all saying Tunare is evil for leaking or this wouldnt make sence, it does tho, and not in an evil manner.  Tunare's children lived on this cont. and survived off the wildlife.  After the shattering, it was prolly pretty decimated, wouldnt it make sence for her, on a mothering aspect, to let some of her power leak to help this area regrow quicker?  Now as a dragon, particularly one that was the bad dog of ToV ur prolly not too nice, and pretty quick to take advantage of things.  A <strong><em>GOD </em></strong>leaking power would be a real nice chance to leech some of that for urself im sure....</div><hr></blockquote>There was a supposed concept art of Vulak, but Jindrack let us all know it was an old  KoS concept art shot.  That is where the theories of it being Vulak came from.  I would wager to guess it's going to be a different dragon than Vulak that we see in EoF.edit : Adding the link for <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=18945&query.id=0#M18945" target="_blank">Jindrack's post</a> where it's even stated that Vulak is not going to be seen in EoF</div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>10-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:09 AM</span>

[Waroa]

Some new lore has been placed on the EOF website and after reading just a few paragraphs it has already put much of what i thought I knew about this and futere expantions into questions. First off the dragon is woushi witch is stated in the lore chapter. Second the lore gives some more information on the details of what the pact the gods made was. Third it implies that woushi was anything but an ally of growth and may have just been posing so as to get the power of growth explaining his presence in the wakening land back in EQLive. Perhaps others will see it differently but that is the way I personaly see it

[Themaginator]

its Wuoshi! and hes gonna betray Tunare i think! <a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/echoesoffaydwer/flash.vm" target=_blank>Lore I</a><div></div>