House D'Morte

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>OK, I know they're a Neriak House that drank from the Ewer of Fyr'Un and became vampires, then got exiled by Queen Christianos for it. Apart from that though, I'm clueless as to when in EQ history all this was supposed to have taken place. Anyone able to fill me in on the fine details?</DIV>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<DIV>id like to learn more about this as well so ill bump it.</DIV>

[Rodric1]

<DIV>Me too!!!</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>As far as EQlive goes, they never existed, thats all I can say...</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Technically, Cusashorn is right... they didn't exist in EQLive. However, the time that they first became known dates back to pre-EQLive times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>D'Morte allied himself with the City of Life, Ahket Ahken, before it became the city of undeath as we see it today. The elves that inhabited the city, the Sul'Dal, presumably branched off of the original Elddar Elves of old Antonica. We know from in-game lore that the city of Ahket Ahken was once surrounded by forests, and since it now lies in the Desert of Ro, we can only assume that that forest was the Elddar Forest. This would date the first mentions of the D'Morte bloodline back way before EQLive and the Age of Turmoil.... back before the Serpentspine Mountains were risen, the fall of Takish'Hiz, and the exodus of the elven race.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>D'Morte found the Ewer, and for some reason or another he was exiled from Neriak because of it. He allied himself with the Sul'Dal and was allowed residence within the City of Life in exchange for the Sul'Dal's use of the Ewer, who praised it's power to grant "eternal life" alongside their worship of Anashti Sul, Goddess of Undeath... Immortality... Zombie Brains... y'know... etc....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From in-game text, we know that D'Morte allied with a priestess within the City of Life, and together they began performing some pretty nasty rituals in secrecy. I'm not sure if it is ever revealed exactly what these rituals were, but I recall some text stating that they were... fairly bloody.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eventually, some great catastrophe struck the lands. It doesn't state exactly what this was, but I come to the assumption that it was the curse of Ro, and the raising of the Serpentspine Mountains. The inhabitants of the City of Life were told by their Godking that they would be protected from the disaster by their Goddess, Anashti Sul (a lot of this is obtained from the Peacock quest line, specifically during the first few quests within Ahket Ahken... lighting the torches, etc.) Soon, the power of the Ewer was unleashed, and as it turns out *gasp* its power was more of an "eternal undeath" than "eternal life." Ahket Ahken became what we know it as today... a ruined city buried beneath the sands of Ro and inhabited by the mindless undead of the now extinct Sul'Dal race.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why D'Morte still haunts those halls.... I'm not completely sure. He wants the Ewer back, and he thinks you're good enough to get it for him (if you complete the Peacock quest line, you actually end up destroying the Ewer before its evil can be released upon Norrath again.) However, he also shows up in the Ahket Ahken raid zone, and unfortunately the lore for that zone wasn't done well enough to actually follow... and most of the things that take place there (or seem to take place) don't make sense. Perhaps he's there to finish off the rituals that he started ages ago? Who knows? Probably only the vicarious vicar of the volumes that vastly vivify our diverse and variant Norrath.... Vhalen</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OMG THAT MOVIE ROCKS!</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<DIV>hmm, the d'morte line extending back to the elddar.  this could raise many possibilities in game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>interesting, interesting indeed.</DIV>

[Kyvthuhlu]

<DIV> <HR> hmm, the d'morte line extending back to the elddar.  this could raise many possibilities in game. <HR> </DIV> <P>Many of the curent, prominent Elven families, both Dark and Light, are extensions of Elddarians.</P> <P>House Thex was a major house in ancient Elddar if all can be assumed as such.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Thex bloodline is ONLY royal bloodline of the elves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The first King and Queen were named Thex. Innoruuk stole them away and tortured them into the first Dark Elves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thex's brother took over as the king of the Elves and its been that way for both Dark Elves and High Elves ever since (don't know about the Wood Elves though.)</DIV>

[Kyvthuhlu]

<DIV>I could've sworn it was in the Ardathium story line but it appears it was not...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only evidence in EQ1 I can find to support that there were other kings and queens than the Thexes is in Elddar Forest, and because that's not a canon zone for EQ 2, I will have to agree that, for the time being, as far as EQ 2 is concerned, Thex is the royal family, though I would be curious if there is any documentation officially labeling Naythox and Tearis as brothers.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>They arn't brothers. They're cousins. Neither Naythox or Tearis are the first king for each race.</DIV>

[Kyvthuhlu]

I misunderstood what you were saying then, my apologies.

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kyvthuhlu wrote:<BR> <DIV> <HR> hmm, the d'morte line extending back to the elddar.  this could raise many possibilities in game. <HR> </DIV> <P>Many of the curent, prominent Elven families, both Dark and Light, are extensions of Elddarians.</P> <P>House Thex was a major house in ancient Elddar if all can be assumed as such.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>that i know, i'm just saying i wonder what possibilities this could rase lore wise/event and quest wise with cross expansion stuff.

[IrishWonder]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kyvthuhlu wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Many of the curent, prominent Elven families, both Dark and Light, are extensions of Elddarians.</P> <P>House Thex was a major house in ancient Elddar if all can be assumed as such.</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> <P>Yes, technically all elves are extensions of the Elddar Elves in one way or another. What I was getting at (and what I believe Knightshayd meant), is that the Sul'Dal were a direct splinter of the Elddar Elves... not just ancestors. They existed at the same time of the Elddar Elves, long before the Koada'Dal and Fier'dal existed. Since the D'Morte family had dealings with these elves, it would make the existence of Vampires, namely the D'Morte line, very very old.</P> <P>Pre-dating Mayong Mistmoore? /shrug .... Not sure if there are any clues in EQ1 that may hint at exactly how old he is....</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>as far as EQlive goes, the Sul'Dae elves never existed. I can't speak for EQOA though. Again, I'm talking technically. Never mentioned. Never shown.</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Completely correct..... fortunately for us, we're playing EQ2, and these are the EQ2 boards :smileywink:</DIV>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<DIV>i believe what hes trying to say is, you wont find any info on d'morte from eqlive so your only source of info is in eq2.  eqoa might have some info on the family but i dont think it would apply unless a dev says it does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>from what i understand the d'morte family is the oldest of the known vampire lines.  as far as mayong is concerned, i dont think they have ever really came out with any specific details of his past or origin in any eq, although the p&p has the most info of all.  how did castle mistmoore come to be?  is that his family name?  were any of his family vampires?  there are 2 places in echoes of faydwer that i hope to revisit, castle mistmoore and estate of unrest.  hopefully we will get more info on mayong with this expansion.</DIV>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV>In the Maps of Myrist atlas for EQ, the background for Castle Mistmoore states that the Castle, and the beleived builder of it, "Mayong, Lord of Mistmoore, who has lived well over ten thousand years" existed in that spot before the Elves fled Tunaria (Antonica), and before the dwarves had seen the light of the Norrathian sun.  It also comments on how all the denizens of the castle, as well as the portraits of the nobleman found throughout the castle, are Teir'Dal.  It has also been confirmed by the devs that Mayong was to marry Tserrina Syl'Tor, of the Tower of Frozen Shadow.  That was one of the most recently confirmed mentions of Mayong in EQ (that is still officially part of EQ2 history, Depths of Darkhollow, and all that is not confirmed to be part of EQ2), as the Tower itself has only existed for a number of decades in Velious.  A wedding party, brutally murdered can be found within the tower, and it is rumored that Mayong's abandonment of Tserrina is what drove her to the mass murder that can be found inside the Tower's halls.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Caverns under Mistmoore that house various Vampire factions and the Drachnids of Kunark (half Teir'Dal, half spider) are also the handiwork of Mayong Mistmoore.  I also believe that he may have had something to do with thwWidowmistress who lived in Najena, but that is pure speculation on my part, based on something Vhalen said in a <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11437&query.id=0#M11437" target=_blank>post on Najena</A>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It will be interesting to see if the Vampire Lord turns up again, and to learn what ties, if any, he has to House D'Morte</DIV>

[Vhalen]

<P>House D'Morte's seeds were sown in EQLive. Early on, pieces of their story began to appear within Neriak, namely, The Lodge of the Dead. Although their story was never fully told, the roots existed. There is a portion of old Neriak that used to hold their original villa and the agents charged with the ongoing hunt of the vampire house could be found.</P> <P>Although Bloodline Chronicles holds a chapter or two of the saga of House D'Morte, it does not tell all. Unknown to most is the story of the chateau in the land of frost and ice. There rests a chapter of their lives that followed the great escape from Neriak. Only in such a hostile land could some of the D'Morte's hide from the slayers of The Dead.</P> <P>Over time, the D'Morte's began to embrace their affliction. They even began a family holiday.</P> <P>"Libation"<BR>This “holiday” is in dedication of the event to which all the D`Morte house was turned into vampires. The typical D`Morte celebration on this day is a gathering in a grand hall they call the blood chamber. Here the elder of the house recites a history of the D`Morte saga, detailing its beginning, its trials, and its current status. During this recitation, lesser minions or prisoners are bled dry. After the recitation the results of the bleeding are imbibed by the D`Morte clan. A grand ball is held afterwards and often rages on until the edge of dawn. To the few "guests" that have gazed upon this site and (un)lived, they refer to this as "The Blood Ball". To House D'Morte, this is "Libation." </P> <P>The tragic tale of the D'Morte's is related to Mistmoore's origins. That is evident to those that can piece the puzzle together properly. Sometime in the future we will see more pieces to that puzzle appear in the world of Norrath.</P>

[ke'la]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>House D'Morte's seeds were sown in EQLive. Early on, pieces of their story began to appear within Neriak, namely, The Lodge of the Dead. Although their story was never fully told, the roots existed. There is a portion of old Neriak that used to hold their original villa and the agents charged with the ongoing hunt of the vampire house could be found.</P> <P>Although Bloodline Chronicles holds a chapter or two of the saga of House D'Morte, it does not tell all. Unknown to most is the story of the chateau in the land of frost and ice. There rests a chapter of their lives that followed the great escape from Neriak. Only in such a hostile land could some of the D'Morte's hide from the slayers of The Dead.</P> <P>Over time, the D'Morte's began to embrace their affliction. They even began a family holiday.</P> <P>"Libation"<BR>This “holiday” is in dedication of the event to which all the D`Morte house was turned into vampires. The typical D`Morte celebration on this day is a gathering in a grand hall they call the blood chamber. Here the elder of the house recites a history of the D`Morte saga, detailing its beginning, its trials, and its current status. During this recitation, lesser minions or prisoners are bled dry. After the recitation the results of the bleeding are imbibed by the D`Morte clan. A grand ball is held afterwards and often rages on until the edge of dawn. To the few "guests" that have gazed upon this site and (un)lived, they refer to this as "The Blood Ball". To House D'Morte, this is "Libation." </P> <P>The tragic tale of the D'Morte's is related to Mistmoore's origins. That is evident to those that can piece the puzzle together properly. Sometime in the future we will see more pieces to that puzzle appear in the world of Norrath.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Bloodlines Part 2 adventure pack maybe?</P> <P> </P>

[LordPengu]

<DIV>More likely, the losre mentioned will be part of EoF. Just a hunch, as Castle Mistmoor is part of the expansion.</DIV>

[Vollux]

<DIV>And Castle Mistmoore has a <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=11661&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>Grand Ballroom</A> that looks just right for that type of Ball. </DIV>

[Creppie]

Land of frost and Ice?   Tower of Frozen Shadow perhaps and the Vampiress that lives there?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Creppie wrote:<BR>Land of frost and Ice?   Tower of Frozen Shadow perhaps and the Vampiress that lives there?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Everfrost.

[Creppie]

<div></div>Hmm.  I did forget about one of the family members laying up there in Everfrost.  I wonder what conection if any the vampiress in the tower of frozen shawdow had with D'Morte or Mistmoore then.  I recall paintings of Mistmoore in that zone.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Creppie on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:34 AM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Creppie wrote:<div></div>Hmm.  I did forget about one of the family members laying up there in Everfrost.  I wonder what conection if any the vampiress in the tower of frozen shawdow had with D'Morte or Mistmoore then.  I recall paintings of Mistmoore in that zone.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Creppie on <span class="date_text">09-06-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:34 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Mistmoore was supposed to wed Tserinna.  I believe he turned her into a vampire, gave her the tower, and stodd her up.  She went on a rampage and the Tower stays in the setting of her wedding day.  (My favorite level was the 5th floor Wedding).</div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:13 AM</span>

[Vollux]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>House D'Morte's seeds were sown in EQLive. Early on, pieces of their story began to appear within Neriak, namely, The Lodge of the Dead. Although their story was never fully told, the roots existed. There is a portion of old Neriak that used to hold their original villa and the agents charged with the ongoing hunt of the vampire house could be found.</P> <P>Although Bloodline Chronicles holds a chapter or two of the saga of House D'Morte, it does not tell all. Unknown to most is the story of the chateau in the land of frost and ice. There rests a chapter of their lives that followed the great escape from Neriak. Only in such a hostile land could some of the D'Morte's hide from the slayers of The Dead.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think House X' Lottl from EQLive became House D'Morte.  They had a villa on the lake in 3rd gate. Many members of the family were on 'the dead' faction which was odd for wizards. </P> <P>And the symbol that is some how related  to a new mystery was imprinted on the floor of a alcove leading to their Villa. </P> <P><IMG height=280 src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Ravenstein/EQ2%20screenshots/caerthiliansigil.jpg" width=505></P> <P>the same could be said about the House J'Narus (12 on the map)  but that house didn't dabble in the same poor faction pool as House X'Lottl (11).</P> <P><IMG src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Ravenstein/EQ2%20screenshots/neriakthirdgate.jpg"><BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>And the symbol that is some how related  to a new mystery was imprinted on the floor of a alcove leading to their Villa. </P> <P><IMG height=280 src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Ravenstein/EQ2%20screenshots/caerthiliansigil.jpg" width=505><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's the generic symbol of the dark elves, among other things. Nothing special about it that relates to the D'Morte family.

[Kyvthuhlu]

<P>It would be hard for me to believe that the Second? House of Neriak would suddenly merge and turn into a vampiric house.</P>

[Vhalen]

<P>You may be on to something if you think there is another name associated with House D'Morte during the chapter of their story in Neriak. But X'Lottl is not it.</P> <P>House X'Lottl is one of the oldest houses in Neriak and its members were adept in wizardry. This house was long noted for producing great wizards. This honor made them one of the most prestigious houses for centuries, until House J'Narus arrived. House J'Narus is the preeminent necromantic house of Neriak. The members of The Dead often spawn from this house as do some of the most famous and infamous figures in Neriak history.</P> <P>With necromancy fast becoming the favored form of the arcane, Pannis X'Lottl decreed that all new members of the house shall be trained in necromantic arts. This was his plot to regain the highest favor of the royal house and defend against exile from the noble district of Neriak. What became of his plot may never be known unless we find a way back to the darkness of Neriak.</P>

[Vollux]

<DIV>Thanks for the information!  I'll keep digging through my dusty notes. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm disappointed it isn't the X'Lottl house but mainly because I miss Mare X'Lottl and would love to see what became of her line.  How a member of a prominent Neriak family ended up table dancing in the Maiden's Fancy has tickled my curiosity for years.</DIV>

[Wilin]

So how does this guy factor into the equation?<img src="http://dbms.ogamingmedia.com/eq2bestiary/1564/picture/lordj.jpg"><p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:34 PM</span>

[Wilin]

<blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<P>Although Bloodline Chronicles holds a chapter or two of the saga of House D'Morte, it does not tell all. Unknown to most is the story of the chateau in the land of frost and ice. There rests a chapter of their lives that followed the great escape from Neriak. Only in such a hostile land could some of the D'Morte's hide from the slayers of The Dead.</P><hr></blockquote><blockquote><hr>Vollux wrote:<DIV>And Castle Mistmoore has a <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=11661&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>Grand Ballroom</A> that looks just right for that type of Ball. </DIV><hr></blockquote>chateau = castle<p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:43 PM</span>

[Kyvthuhlu]

<DIV> <HR> I'm disappointed it isn't the X'Lottl house but mainly because I miss Mare X'Lottl and would love to see what became of her line.  How a member of a prominent Neriak family ended up table dancing in the Maiden's Fancy has tickled my curiosity for years. <HR> </DIV> <P>Maybe she didn't like the pressures of aristocratic life and is a rebellious teen?</P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV>Something else to keep in mind from the halls of Akhet Aken, the city where in ages long past, Malkonis  D'Morte fled while the vampire slayers of Neriak hunted down his house.  This can be found with in the dialogue with Lect'Zadh, the record of residence:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Lect'Zadh says to you,"Malkonis D'Morte secretly began to hold bloody rituals within the Temple of Blood. Along with his consort he led many Ahketians into his chambers never to be seen again. If not for the great gift of the Ewer of Sul'Dae and the frequent, neccessary ewer rituals performed by his consort, the Godking would not have tolerated such atrocities. The secret bloodlust of Malkonis and the Rin Priestess of Fyr'Un would be kept a great secret for decades until the city's demise. "</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ke'la]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wilin wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Although Bloodline Chronicles holds a chapter or two of the saga of House D'Morte, it does not tell all. Unknown to most is the story of the chateau <FONT color=#ff0000>in the land of frost and ice.</FONT> There rests a chapter of their lives that followed the great escape from Neriak. Only in such a hostile land could some of the D'Morte's hide from the slayers of The Dead.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <BR> <DIV>And Castle Mistmoore has a <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=11661&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>Grand Ballroom</A> that looks just right for that type of Ball. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR>chateau = castle <P>Message Edited by Wilin on <SPAN class=date_text>09-06-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:43 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Correct me if I am wrong but the Land of Frost and Ice was Haalas and all thats left of that area of norath is Everfrost.<BR>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>There could be<STRONG> two places</STRONG> considered "lands of ice and frost,"  Everfrost (Halas was a village, really, but it was in Everfrost), the North Lands, and the Frigid Plain were areas along the <STRONG>northern part of Antonica</STRONG>.  Only the Everfrost Peaks ever made it into the game (that I am aware of).  All of them seem to have been arctic areas, constantly frozen, snowy, and white.</P> <P><STRONG>The other place was Velious</STRONG>.  This entire continant was Frozen.  Both are possible places for the Vhalen's inference.  Maps of Myrist state that the Tower of Frozen Shadow was only built there a few decades prior to the rediscovery of Velious by the peoples of Norrath, and yes, it is where at least one of Mayong Mistmoore's ex's lived (or..unlived, not sure on if she was just a powerful necromancer, or if she was actually a vampire).</P> <P>Other evidence seems to also indicate that Velious is generally cut off from the rest of Norrath by the icy seas around it (think Antarctica style), so odds are, they fled to the Norther reaches of Antonica (at the time it happened, it was probably called Tunaria.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:47 PM</span>

[Wilin]

Call me crazy, but...Castle Mistmoore is a throw back to the original D'Morte chateau in Everfrost? Mayong had it made in order to commemorate the place where he became a vampire? And that was because Mayong was one of the vampire hunters that found the D'Mortes but the encounter held some dark secret?Is that a swing and a miss?

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wilin wrote:<BR>Call me crazy, but...<BR><BR>Castle Mistmoore is a throw back to the original D'Morte chateau in Everfrost? Mayong had it made in order to commemorate the place where he became a vampire? And that was because Mayong was one of the vampire hunters that found the D'Mortes but the encounter held some dark secret?<BR><BR>Is that a swing and a miss?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Castle Mistmoore existed long before the D'Morte family was turned into Vampires. It's mentioned that Mistmoore does have a part in it.

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P><BR><BR>Castle Mistmoore existed long before the D'Morte family was turned into Vampires. It's mentioned that Mistmoore does have a part in it.<BR></P> <HR> <P>I'm not sure where you get that from, since we don't really know WHEN the D'Mortes drank from the Ewer of Sul'Dae.  I do know that Neriak has been plagued with vampires for quite some time.  It's very possible that vampires were running around in the time of the Elddar.  Actually, we <STRONG>know</STRONG> that the D'Morte clan were vampires before the fall of the Elddar, because Malkonis first came to Akhet Aken when it was inhabited by the Elddar (who called themselves Sul'Dal after their new goddess), and prayed upon their blood through my original quote.  We really know nothing about Mayong's origins, except that he was Teir'Dal.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P><BR><BR>Castle Mistmoore existed long before the D'Morte family was turned into Vampires. It's mentioned that Mistmoore does have a part in it.<BR></P> <HR> <P>I'm not sure where you get that from, since we don't really know WHEN the D'Mortes drank from the Ewer of Sul'Dae.  I do know that Neriak has been plagued with vampires for quite some time.  It's very possible that vampires were running around in the time of the Elddar.  Actually, we <STRONG>know</STRONG> that the D'Morte clan were vampires before the fall of the Elddar, because Malkonis first came to Akhet Aken when it was inhabited by the Elddar (who called themselves Sul'Dal after their new goddess), and prayed upon their blood through my original quote.  We really know nothing about Mayong's origins, except that he was Teir'Dal.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P>And that his castle existed LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before the Elves moved to Feydwer.</P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Again, I don't know how you know that.  I know it was there before the light elves, but not how long.   Why couldn't a dark elf ship, a ship containing vampires running from the vampire slayers of Neriak, have fled found Faydwer before the elves?  We have no lore on Mistmoore.  Plain and simple.  To say anything else about him is simply assumption.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote:<BR> <P>Again, I don't know how you know that.  I know it was there before the light elves, but not how long.   Why couldn't a dark elf ship, a ship containing vampires running from the vampire slayers of Neriak, have fled found Faydwer before the elves?  We have no lore on Mistmoore.  Plain and simple.  To say anything else about him is simply assumption.</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nocturnal is right, Cusa. We do know from some obscure comments that Castle Mistmoore probably existed before the arrival of the Wood Elves/High Elves. However, we also know that the D'Morte family existed long before that migration... in fact, even before the fall of Takish'Hiz.</P> <P>Unfortunately, we have no way to compare the two while they were seperate, so we do not know which came first... Castle Mistmoore, or the D'Morte family curse. All we can do is speculate.</P>

[Seolta]

<cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>There could be<b> two places</b> considered "lands of ice and frost,"  Everfrost (Halas was a village, really, but it was in Everfrost), the North Lands, and the Frigid Plain were areas along the <b>northern part of Antonica</b>.  Only the Everfrost Peaks ever made it into the game (that I am aware of).  All of them seem to have been arctic areas, constantly frozen, snowy, and white.</p> <p><b>The other place was Velious</b>.  This entire continant was Frozen.  Both are possible places for the Vhalen's inference.  Maps of Myrist state that the Tower of Frozen Shadow was only built there a few decades prior to the rediscovery of Velious by the peoples of Norrath, and yes, it is where at least one of Mayong Mistmoore's ex's lived (or..unlived, not sure on if she was just a powerful necromancer, or if she was actually a vampire).</p> <p>Other evidence seems to also indicate that Velious is generally cut off from the rest of Norrath by the icy seas around it (think Antarctica style), so odds are, they fled to the Norther reaches of Antonica (at the time it happened, it was probably called Tunaria.</blockquote></p><p>I have to nitpick a little bit here....Velious wasn't completely frozen...there were the Wakening Lands which were semi-tropical and inhabited by a Wizard of Oz style flying monkey race, the Holgresh! (and Wuoshi too!) </p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Seolta wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nocturnal Abyss wrote: <blockquote> <p>There could be<b> two places</b> considered "lands of ice and frost,"  Everfrost (Halas was a village, really, but it was in Everfrost), the North Lands, and the Frigid Plain were areas along the <b>northern part of Antonica</b>.  Only the Everfrost Peaks ever made it into the game (that I am aware of).  All of them seem to have been arctic areas, constantly frozen, snowy, and white.</p> <p><b>The other place was Velious</b>.  This entire continant was Frozen.  Both are possible places for the Vhalen's inference.  Maps of Myrist state that the Tower of Frozen Shadow was only built there a few decades prior to the rediscovery of Velious by the peoples of Norrath, and yes, it is where at least one of Mayong Mistmoore's ex's lived (or..unlived, not sure on if she was just a powerful necromancer, or if she was actually a vampire).</p> <p>Other evidence seems to also indicate that Velious is generally cut off from the rest of Norrath by the icy seas around it (think Antarctica style), so odds are, they fled to the Norther reaches of Antonica (at the time it happened, it was probably called Tunaria.</p></blockquote><p>I have to nitpick a little bit here....Velious wasn't completely frozen...there were the Wakening Lands which were semi-tropical and inhabited by a Wizard of Oz style flying monkey race, the Holgresh! (and Wuoshi too!) </p></blockquote>The Plane of Growth's influence was the only thing that prevented that area from freezing over.

[Ozymundas]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seolta wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nocturnal Abyss wrote: <blockquote> <p>There could be<b> two places</b> considered "lands of ice and frost,"  Everfrost (Halas was a village, really, but it was in Everfrost), the North Lands, and the Frigid Plain were areas along the <b>northern part of Antonica</b>.  Only the Everfrost Peaks ever made it into the game (that I am aware of).  All of them seem to have been arctic areas, constantly frozen, snowy, and white.</p> <p><b>The other place was Velious</b>.  This entire continant was Frozen.  Both are possible places for the Vhalen's inference.  Maps of Myrist state that the Tower of Frozen Shadow was only built there a few decades prior to the rediscovery of Velious by the peoples of Norrath, and yes, it is where at least one of Mayong Mistmoore's ex's lived (or..unlived, not sure on if she was just a powerful necromancer, or if she was actually a vampire).</p> <p>Other evidence seems to also indicate that Velious is generally cut off from the rest of Norrath by the icy seas around it (think Antarctica style), so odds are, they fled to the Norther reaches of Antonica (at the time it happened, it was probably called Tunaria.</p></blockquote><p>I have to nitpick a little bit here....Velious wasn't completely frozen...there were the Wakening Lands which were semi-tropical and inhabited by a Wizard of Oz style flying monkey race, the Holgresh! (and Wuoshi too!) </p></blockquote>The Plane of Growth's influence was the only thing that prevented that area from freezing over. </blockquote>So you agree that Veilous wasn't completely frozen...

[Cusashorn]

<p>no. If the Plane of Growth wasn't there, it would be a frozen area.</p>

[Controlor]

I know that Lost Dungeons of Norrath came after the time split thing. But in there we had access to the instances of MM Catacombs. With the lore around that (talking to the npc's and such). They talk about Mayong building the castle himself sort of out of a whim. And creating vampires there as well for kicks. Again i know its after the fact but that doesnt mean the Dev's must exclude every detail. But if they did take from this then it would offer some knowledge of who came first MM or the castle. <a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read_search.php?link=ldon_mistmoore&word=mayong" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">MM Cat LDON lore</a>

[Ozymundas]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>no. If the Plane of Growth wasn't there, it would be a frozen area.</p></blockquote> so by that reasoning... "But for the sun, the Earth would be a frozen area, therefore the Earth is completely frozen."

[Malokar]

Just some food for thought. It seems that the House D'Morte BECAME Vampires within Neriak by unleashing the power of the Ewer of Sul'Dae. After being persecuted,  Malkonis brought the Ewer of Sul'Dae to Ahket Aken to flee from the persecution within Neriak. The remaining family of D'Morte fled as well, still being chased by the Brotherhood. According to official EQ Lore, Innoruuk spent 300 years forming the first Elven King and Queen into the Teir'Dal. This would mean that Malkonis fled into the Elddar Forest during the Age of Monuments, "decades" before the curse brought by Solusek Ro. And reading some of the previous posts, I have to wonder...is Mayong Mistmoore truly a Dark elf? He keeps himself surrounded by Teir'dal, but that doesn't mean that he himself is one. He is one of the oldest beings in Norrath. Also, is it possible that Mayong Mistmoore was involved with D'Morte in the family curse. They sought eternal life. They found the Ewer of Sul'Dae. Perhaps not entirely knowing how to use it, they sought out the help of one of the oldest and wisest beings in Norrath...and were cursed. Just a thought. This comes from the "Peacock" quest line. Lect'Zadh says to you,"I speak for the Godking. I am the record of residence. Who do you inquire about?" You say to Lect'Zadh,"Malkonis D'Morte. " Lect'Zadh says to you,"Malkonis D'Morte is a high ranking resident of Ahket Aken. He is the Teir'Dal pilgrim that entered the city from afar. He brought with him the Ewer of Sul'Dae, the powerful urn used by the lost goddess Anashti Sul, to create the river of life, the Fyr'Un. In return for this sacred artifact he was granted refuge within the hidden city. He once dwelt with his consort, the Rin Priestess of Fyr'Un, in the Temple of Blood in the Priestess Court of Ahket Aken." You say to Lect'Zadh,"Tell me more of his past." Lect'Zadh says to you,"Malkonis D'Morte secretly began to hold bloody rituals within the Temple of Blood. Along with his consort he led many Ahketians into his chambers never to be seen again. If not for the great gift of the Ewer of Sul'Dae and the frequent, neccessary ewer rituals performed by his consort, the Godking would not have tolerated such atrocities. The secret bloodlust of Malkonis and the Rin Priestess of Fyr'Un would be kept a great secret for decades until the city's demise.  " You say to the Ancille of D'Morte,"I seek the Ewer of Sul'Dae. Malkonis can help me find it." the Ancille of D'Morte says to you,"You seek the decanter of the Fyr'Un, the origin of undeath, the life giver of the D'Mortes." You say to the Ancille of D'Morte,"The ewer created the D'Morte family? " the Ancille of D'Morte says to you,"The D'Mortes existed within the gates of Neriak long before they were graced with the presence of the Ewer of Sul'Dae. In their research of such an artifact of power they unleashed the gift of undeath to their bloodline. They became immortal." You say to the Ancille of D'Morte,"Did they share their gift with others of their kind? " the Ancille of D'Morte says to you,"The gift varies to those that are bestowed, but all are immortal in undeath. Such a gift the Teir'Dal empire was not ready for. The D'Morte house hid their secret, but eventually their ilk would learn and hunt them down, driving them from the empire of the Teir'Dal." You say to the Ancille of D'Morte,"Why would Malkonis give the ewer to the Godking? " the Ancille of D'Morte says to you,"The Godking pays homage to the lost goddess Anashti Sul, the power that created the Ewer of Sul'Dae. Such an artifact is highly desired by the Godking as well as the few others that know of the forgotten past. In return for safe haven from hunting ilk the ewer exchanged hands." You say to Malkonis D'Morte,"Now you serve your master by coming to kill me. " Malkonis D'Morte says to you,"Master? Hardly. His realm is my safe haven and that is all. The secrets of the ewer are safe in his hands until his time is ended, then we shall find a new home for the great urn of death." This comes from the Tome "Nektulos Forest by Torq De'Rech" The burial chamber of D'Morte has also been unearthed in the woods. It is told that the undead and vampires who reside within heed no visitors. As long as they remain beneath the ground the Order will not strike out against them. Let them feed on the weak; we have no other use for them. The biggest strength that the Order possesses is we know these woods as our ancestors did, none would survive challenging us here.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Ozymundas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>no. If the Plane of Growth wasn't there, it would be a frozen area.</p></blockquote> so by that reasoning... "But for the sun, the Earth would be a frozen area, therefore the Earth is completely frozen."</blockquote> It was stated up and down the entire velious expansion pack that the only reason the forest existed on Velious was because of the Plane of Growth. If it wasn't there, it would be a frozen area.