Tunare

[kajirala]

<DIV>Im looking looking for EQ2 lore on tunare and all i can find is the one chapter in the tome of destiny and a little from the prophit of growth is. Ive checked thread and i can find anything too </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thank you </DIV>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<FONT size=2> <P>There really isn't any EQ2 lore for the gods, except the sources you mentioned, because the gods haven't been apart of the world in the intervening time period.</P> <P>For EQLive lore, I suggest <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr" target=_blank>this site</A>.</P></FONT>

[MarrGardian]

<DIV>yea i dont think you will find much until echoes of faydwer comes out since i guess (from what i heard from a expantion video preview) the gods are returning to norrath</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>aye, the reason you won't find much lore on many of the gods in EQ2 is because they haven't become a part of the game yet at a level that we can learn more about them.</DIV>

[Ama]

<DIV>The only bit of lore I can offer up and this possibly being innacurate is that Tunare was the ruler of the Plane of Growth.  In EQOA druids were protectors of the forest and for your epic quest you could recieve a special staff.  It is on the top of this staff that the antlers from a great stagg from the plane of growth is mounted giving it increased power.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gods are fickled beings that have great power being able to wipe us out in a second but choose not to.  I wonder what Tunare's objective will be when she plans on returning to the world of Norrath?</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Probably growing nature and curing the wounds and scars that were created on Norrath over the last 500 years.</DIV>

[TimidMou]

I thought Tunare was the name of a line of spells that Wardens get.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TimidMouse wrote:<BR> I thought Tunare was the name of a line of spells that Wardens get.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think there is one or two spells we wardens get with the name tunare in it but thats it I maybe wrong though.  However I don't find it uncommon that we druids have our spells named Tunare because we are protectors of the forest and all that stuff. :smileywink:</P> <P>I'm just wondering what options we will get if druids decide to worship Tunare. </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <P>I'm just wondering what options we will get if druids decide to worship Tunare. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The same options as anyone else who worships her.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <P>I'm just wondering what options we will get if druids decide to worship Tunare. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The same options as anyone else who worships her.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Naw naw I mean what abilties/powers do we get for worshiping Tunare.  Do we get like enhanced healing spells, rooting spells, etc... ?</P> <P>I'm just hoping Karana turns out to be one of the gods you can worship for the good side.  This way you have Tunare for the wardens and Karana for the furys that want to be storm callers.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

Karana is Neutral.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> Karana is Neutral.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I kinda wonder why Karana would be neutral because doesn't he have views that would help out other sentient life?

[Vyrance]

i would think karana is good, since his alter ego agnarr, was evil.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Agnar was just a planar entity who stole Karana's staff while and placed Karana in a permanent meditation, then he took on his image and pretended to be him. Hardly close to a god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Karana is the god of Storms first and foremost. You can't decree that weather is evil or good. Hail, Tornadoes, Lightning, etc... those cant' really be controlled so it's neither good nor evil if it ends up destroying in it's path.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>08-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 PM</span>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Agnar was just a planar entity who stole Karana's staff while and placed Karana in a permanent meditation, then he took on his image and pretended to be him. Hardly close to a god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Karana is the god of Storms first and foremost. You can't decree that weather is evil or good. Hail, Tornadoes, Lightning, etc... those cant' really be controlled so it's neither good nor evil if it ends up destroying in it's path.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>08-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Couldn't someone make the case that War isn't necessarily good or evil as well?  Don't get me wrong I think that Rallos Zek is an evil bastage, but war can be considered neutral as well.  However I think he will be just an evil choice.  arggh sorry for the derailment.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The very intention of starting a war is evil. Regardless of who starts it, the evil deed has been done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. Quellious and Peace are good, so War can't be neutral if it's the polar opposite.</DIV>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>The very intention of starting a war is evil. Regardless of who starts it, the evil deed has been done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. Quellious and Peace are good, so War can't be neutral if it's the polar opposite.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Unfortunately you are right there Cusashorn and thats how they will have set it up.  War can be put into sub categories where a person is at war because they are defending their homeland from invaders. However war if your defending or attacking is evil incarnate to some people.

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>The very intention of starting a war is evil. Regardless of who starts it, the evil deed has been done.</div> <div> </div> <div>Besides. Quellious and Peace are good, so War can't be neutral if it's the polar opposite.</div><hr></blockquote>But the thing you seem to be forgetting is that Quellious isn't the goddess of Peace, she is the goddess of Tranquility.  It is a subtle difference, but an important one.  The goddess herself may have good tendencies, but the aspect -- Tranquility (Inner Peace, if you will) -- isn't good or bad, it is a state of existence.  On the flip side, war doesn't neccessarily have to be for evil purposes.  The base meaning of war is a struggle.  The American colonies struggled against the British Empire for freedom from tyranny.  Yes, acts of evil may have taken place, but the intention behind the war wasn't evil.   Rallos Zek is different in that he uses war for his own sport, which makes him evil.  There is no way to deny that and no one is trying.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>She is the god of peace and tranquility...</DIV>

[kajirala]

and cusashorn is The God of History and Lore

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>She is the god of peace and tranquility...</div><hr></blockquote>No, she is the goddess of Tranquility.  Yes, she and her followers might seek the peaceful coexistence of all creatures, but it is more through the peace of the mind, rather than peace of arms as you seem to be taking it to mean.I am basing this on lore that you can find in the EverQuest Manual, website, and <a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=gods_quellious" target=_blank>here</a>.</div>

[kajirala]

<DIV>But they strive to have world peace and world peace includes both mind and arms in my opininon</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by kajirala on <span class=date_text>08-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:00 PM</span>

[Velissa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> Karana is Neutral.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Don't post mush in the lore forums, but do read them quite a bit.  This kind of struck me odd.  If Karana is Neutral then how come the Avatar of Storms fought with the City of Qeynos in the Second Raliosian War?

[Mirander_1]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mendaasy wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div></div>Karana is Neutral. <hr> </blockquote>Don't post mush in the lore forums, but do read them quite a bit.  This kind of struck me odd.  If Karana is Neutral then how come the Avatar of Storms fought with the City of Qeynos in the Second Raliosian War?<hr></blockquote>The same reason the Avatar of Flames fought with the Rallosians, and the Avatar of Fear unleashed the Greenmist on the ogres.  Whether they're good, evil, or neutral doesn't always determine what side they'll take in a conflict, they'll come in on the side that furthers their own agenda</div>

[Pyrrhx]

<P>I'm quite sure that a dev had posted on these boards stating that it was the personality of the god that determined if they were Good or Evil, and not the element/state/attribute/concept over which they held sway. </P> <P> The concept of war is neither good nor evil; both sides are equally likely to start a war.  The attitudes and views of Rallos Zek however are evil.</P> <P> Courage and Valor are neither good nor evil; Evidenced in that not all evil's are cowards and that they too can have honor.  The attitudes and views of Mithaniel Marr however are good.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Mirander_1]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pyrrhx wrote:<div></div><p> Courage and Valor are neither good nor evil; Evidenced in that not all evil's are cowards and that they too can have honor.  The attitudes and views of Mithaniel Marr however are good.</p> <hr></blockquote>I would disagree with this; just because an evil person is honorable doesn't make honor a neutral concept.  It's impossible for a person to be 100% evil, just like nobody can be completely good; everyone is going to have their redeeming or condemning qualities.  It's possible for an evil person to also have the good quality that he's couragous and honorable and still be what someone would consider evil</div>

[Pyrrhx]

<DIV>Here's the link.  Good and evil are based on the god's alignment, not the concept.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for honor; a snippet from the linked post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The concept of honor isn't inherently good or the concept of Lawful Evil would be non-existant</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Pyrrhx on <SPAN class=date_text>08-29-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Pyrrhx on <span class=date_text>08-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:24 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pyrrhx wrote:<BR> <P>I'm quite sure that a dev had posted on these boards stating that it was the personality of the god that determined if they were Good or Evil, and not the element/state/attribute/concept over which they held sway. </P> <P> The concept of war is neither good nor evil; both sides are equally likely to start a war.  The attitudes and views of Rallos Zek however are evil.</P> <P> Courage and Valor are neither good nor evil; Evidenced in that not all evil's are cowards and that they too can have honor.  The attitudes and views of Mithaniel Marr however are good.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>MIthanial Marr isn't the god of Courage. He's the god of Honor and Doing That Which Is Morally Right.<BR>

[KniteShayd]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>MIthanial Marr isn't the god of Courage. He's the god of Honor and Doing That Which Is Morally Right.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Which, in short, is Valor.  it encompasses Truth, Morality, and Courage. even nobleness and galantry to a point.  He is truely the god of a good and just Knight.

[kajirala]

how did we switch from tunare to karana then to the goddess of peace then to the god of honor and valor<p>Message Edited by kajirala on <span class=date_text>08-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:37 AM</span>

[Amasai]

<div></div>On the whole war is neutral thing... Sure, you can consider war to be neutral, but wouldn't you be considered evil if your whole being was dedicated to creating/advocating war.  I mean being the God of War, it's not like he can be opposed to it.  Um, thats thoughts from a "just out of Calculus class so my brain is fried" person...