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Elf_Queen

08-21-2006, 06:15 AM

I started a dark elf on Antonia Bayle but am unsure of her life expectancy and what is considered old and young .. are elves longer living then humans for example? can anyone have lived since before the shattering, that doesnt include "unnatural ways" Just curious if there's some information about this, and the other races too! thanks

Cusashorn

08-21-2006, 06:50 AM

<DIV>According to the Everquest Pen and Paper, which is now outdated by 3 races (I am paraphrasing this btw), High Elves live the longest at 800 years at the most extreme.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dark Elves at 750.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wood Elves at 650.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gnomes at 500</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dwarves at 440</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Iksar at about 250</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Half Elves at about 230.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Halflings at about 200</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Erudites at about 160</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Humans at 120</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Barbarians at 90</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ogres at 70</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trolls at 50</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I said, I'm only paraphrasing from memory the "ballpark" areas. It is hard to guess where the Vah Shir, Frogloks, or Drakkin fall in for EQlive, or where the Kerrans, Frogloks, Ratonga, and the Fae fall in with EQ2.</DIV>Message Edited by Cusashorn on 08-20-2006 10:57 PM

Mary the Prophetess

08-21-2006, 10:01 AM

LONGEVITY OF NORRATHIAN RACES: [AD&D Ages in Red] Child Young Adult Middle Elderly Aged Long Exceptional Adult Aged Lived Ayr 'Dal 001-020 | 021-040 | 041-060 | 061-080 | 081-100 | 101-120 | 121-0140 | 0141-0160 Half Elf[D&D] 001-020 | 021-062 | 063-093 | 094-125 | 126------------------------------------------------0185 Barbarian 001-013 | 014-026 | 027-039 | 040-052 | 053-065 | 066-078 | 079-0091 | 0092-0104 Dragon[D&D] 001-050 | 051-100 | 101-200 | 201-400 | 401-600 | 601-800 | 801-1000 |1000-1200+ Dwarf 001-060 | 061-120 | 121-180 | 181-240 | 241-300 | 301-360 | 361-0420 | 0421-0480 Dwarf[D&D] 001-040 | 041-125 | 126-188 | 189-250 | 251-------------------------------------------------0450 Erudite 001-018 | 019-036 | 037-054 | 055-072 | 073-090 | 091-108 |109-0126 | 0127-0144 Fier 'Dal 001-090 | 091-180 |181-270 | 271-360 | 361-450 | 451-540 |541-0630| 0631-0720 Elf[D&D] 001-110 | 111-175 |176-263 | 264-350 | 351------------------------------------------------0750 Gnoll (?) Gnome 001-063 | 064-126 | 127-189 | 190-252 | 253-315 | 316-378 | 379-0441|0442-0504 Gnome[D&D] 001-040 | 041-100 | 101-150 | 151-200 | 201-----------------------------------------------0500 Goblin (?) Halfling 001-025 | 026-050 | 051-075 | 076-100 | 101-125 | 126-150 | 151-0175| 0176-0200 Halfling[D&D] 001-020 | 021-050 | 051-075 | 076-100 | 101------------------------------------------------0200 Half Orc[D&D] 001-014 | 015-030 | 031-045 | 046-060 | 061------------------------------------------------0080 Human 001-015| 016-030 | 031-045 | 046-060 | 061-075 | 076-090 | 091-0105 | 0106-0120 Human[D&D] 001-015| 016-035 | 036-053 | 054-070 | 071--------------------------------------------------110 Iksar 001-020| 021-040 | 041-060 | 061-080 | 081-100 | 101-120 |121-0140 | 0141-0160 Koada 'Dal 001-100 | 101-200 |201-300 | 301-400 | 401-500 | 501-600 | 601-0700| 0701-0800 Kobold (?) LizardMan (?) Ogre 001-010 | 011-020 | 021-030 | 031-040 | 041-050 | 051-060 | 061-0070| 0071-0080 Orc[D&D] 001-013 | 014-025 | 026-037 | 038-050 | 051------------------------------------------------0070 Ratonga (?) Teir 'Dal 001-100 | 101-200 | 201-300 | 301-400 | 401-500 | 501-600 | 601-0700 | 0701-0800 Troll 001-011 | 012-022 | 023-033 | 034-044 | 045-055 | 056-066 | 067-0077 | 0078-0088 Vah Shir 001-018 | 019-036| 037-054 | 055-072 | 073-090 | 091-108 |109-0126 | 0127-0144

Cusashorn

08-21-2006, 08:26 PM

<DIV>Please dont use the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons guide for this please.</DIV>

Coccinea_Maga

08-21-2006, 08:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Please dont use the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons guide for this please.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Why not? The D&D numbers are clearly marked as such and can be used as a point of comparison as to what is in the EverQuest handbook. Also, if you look at the numbers, the D&D are roughly equivalent to the EverQuest ones. I fail to see the harm in giving people a little bit of extra information, that they can include or discount at their discretion.

Mary the Prophetess

08-21-2006, 08:48 PM

Respectfully, Since there is on 'official' lore concerning the longevity of Norrathian races, and the only guide we have is from the EQ table-top RPG; and since the question is more in the nature of roleplaying, I see no reason not to provide a cross reference of various fantasy RPGs for comparison purposes. If I had others available, I would have posted them as well. As you can see, there is a rough correlation to many of the races common to each millieu, and it offers a guide for someone wishing to get an estimate of longevity. You are free to accept or reject them as you desire, as am I to offer them for reference.

Sidhel

10-17-2006, 07:59 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Elf_Queen wrote:can anyone have lived since before the shattering, that doesnt include "unnatural ways" <hr></blockquote>The Shattering (aka "Luclin go boom!") took place ~20 years prior to EQ2's timeline, so you're probably thinking of The Rending (aka "Earthquakes change the face of Norrath!") which was probably between 300-500 years ago.From everything I've seen of history and lore, sure, a Teir'dal could be born before even the Rending and be around today. IMHO.</div>

Zarafein

10-17-2006, 09:05 PM

<DIV>"Sir Antylus Teraeth - Castleview: "I departed more than 150-years ago, near the start of the Age of Cataclysms"</DIV>

Nocturnal Aby

10-19-2006, 11:19 AM

We Actually know the Rending could not have been 500 years ago, because the Rending was the signal of the beginning of the Age of Cataclysms. Five hundred years ago would have actually been, roughly, the beginning of the Age of War. During such time, the War of the Fay took place, in which Teir'Dal forced, led by King Naythox Thex, and bolstered by troll and Ogre forces, descended upon the Faydark, sacking Felwithe, while their allies, the Crushbone Orcs, began to set fire and chop down the trees supporting the wood elf city of Kelethin. The Teir'Dal navy helped to ferry the forces over, though whether the wizard spires were active at the time is in question (my research shows conflicting reports). While the king was off trying to wipe out the "blight" of the light elf kind upon the dal bloodline, the Kithicor Rangers and the Storm Reapers (The Halfling rangers and druids), and the Leatherfoots (halfling warriors), stormed Neriak, and through a series of events involving both the attackers and defenders, ultimately sealed off Neriak Commons and Third Gate from the surface, though treachery towards the King's campeign may have already been afoot. Also during the Age of War was the rise of the second Rallosian Empire. This seems to have taken place after the War of the Fay, and the sealing of Neriak, though it is likely the beginnings took place at around the same time, as the ogres and orcs ( and possibly giants?), began to recover from the Rathe's curse, regaining their wits. By the time the Rallosian Empire began it's campeigns, the War of the Fay seems to have been nearly over, if not completely finished. Though there are no specifics of how long the Rise of the Second Rallosian Empire lasted, it could not have been overly long, as it all took place during the adulthood of one ogre, the General Urduuk, the leader of the Ogres. Research seems to indicate the whole thing took place in maybe a few years time. The Rending didn't even start until sometime after these conflicts, as elves, dwarves, and gnomes were able to cross the seas to reach the Human cities, and begin to aid in the repairations of the affects of the seige of the Rallosian Empires. As they referenced the use of boats for transportation, it would seem by this time communication with the Nexus, and Luclin as a whole has been cut off. We know that the Shattering, however, would not happen for another century or so. As the NPC says, and as the evidence points out, I think it's safe to say that the Rending occurred 150-200 years ago, no more than that.

Hagran

10-19-2006, 02:39 PM

<div></div>Since you are looking for the ages of the races, i have recently bought the EQ2 D&D Book and it has all the EQ2 races apart from the obvious Fae so here is the ages as they are on this book.At Maximum age there is a dice roll - if someone can explain this to me i'd be a happy chappy :smileyvery-happy:Race- Middle Age - Old - Venerable - Maximum ageBarbarian - 35 - 50 - 70 - +3d12 yearsDark Elf - 200 - 280 - 360 - +3d100 years<div></div>Dwarf - 125 - 175 - 250 - +2d100 yearsErudite - 45 - 70 - 90 - +4d12 yearsFroglok - 30 - 40 - 55 - +2d10 yearsGnome - 100 - 150 - 200 - +3d100 yearsHalfling - 50 - 75 - 100 - +6d20 yearsHalf Elf - 55 - 90 - 110 - +4d20 yearsHigh Elf - 250 - 350 - 450 - +2d100 yearsHuman - 40 - 60 - 75 - +3d20 yearsIksar - 50 - 75 - 100 - +2d20 yearsKerra - 35 - 60 - 80 - +2d20 yearsOgre - 30 - 45 - 60 - +2d10 yearsRatonga - 70 - 110 - 140 - +4d20 yearsTroll - 35 - 50 - 65 - +2d12 yearsWood Elf - 210 - 300 - 375 - +2d100 yearsSo thats it, now you know the ages!Message Edited by Hagran on 10-19-2006 11:39 AM

Cusashorn

10-19-2006, 06:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hagran wrote: Since you are looking for the ages of the races, i have recently bought the EQ2 D&D Book and it has all the EQ2 races apart from the obvious Fae so here is the ages as they are on this book. At Maximum age there is a dice roll - if someone can explain this to me i'd be a happy chappy :smileyvery-happy: Race- Middle Age - Old - Venerable - Maximum age Barbarian - 35 - 50 - 70 - +3d12 years Dark Elf - 200 - 280 - 360 - +3d100 years Dwarf - 125 - 175 - 250 - +2d100 years Erudite - 45 - 70 - 90 - +4d12 years Froglok - 30 - 40 - 55 - +2d10 years Gnome - 100 - 150 - 200 - +3d100 years Halfling - 50 - 75 - 100 - +6d20 years Half Elf - 55 - 90 - 110 - +4d20 years High Elf - 250 - 350 - 450 - +2d100 years Human - 40 - 60 - 75 - +3d20 years Iksar - 50 - 75 - 100 - +2d20 years Kerra - 35 - 60 - 80 - +2d20 years Ogre - 30 - 45 - 60 - +2d10 years Ratonga - 70 - 110 - 140 - +4d20 years Troll - 35 - 50 - 65 - +2d12 years Wood Elf - 210 - 300 - 375 - +2d100 years So thats it, now you know the ages! Message Edited by Hagran on 10-19-2006 11:39 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> +2d12 means you role two 12-sided die to determine how many extra years your character can live beyond the extreme for Trolls. Wood elves means you rolle 2 100-sided die to determine them. The Ratonga: Roll 4 20-sided die. etc etc.

Nocturnal Aby

10-19-2006, 08:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hagran wrote: Since you are looking for the ages of the races, i have recently bought the EQ2 D&D Book and it has all the EQ2 races apart from the obvious Fae so here is the ages as they are on this book. At Maximum age there is a dice roll - if someone can explain this to me i'd be a happy chappy :smileyvery-happy: Race- Middle Age - Old - Venerable - Maximum age Barbarian - 35 - 50 - 70 - +3d12 years Dark Elf - 200 - 280 - 360 - +3d100 years Dwarf - 125 - 175 - 250 - +2d100 years Erudite - 45 - 70 - 90 - +4d12 years Froglok - 30 - 40 - 55 - +2d10 years Gnome - 100 - 150 - 200 - +3d100 years Halfling - 50 - 75 - 100 - +6d20 years Half Elf - 55 - 90 - 110 - +4d20 years High Elf - 250 - 350 - 450 - +2d100 years Human - 40 - 60 - 75 - +3d20 years Iksar - 50 - 75 - 100 - +2d20 years Kerra - 35 - 60 - 80 - +2d20 years Ogre - 30 - 45 - 60 - +2d10 years Ratonga - 70 - 110 - 140 - +4d20 years Troll - 35 - 50 - 65 - +2d12 years Wood Elf - 210 - 300 - 375 - +2d100 years So thats it, now you know the ages! Message Edited by Hagran on 10-19-2006 11:39 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> +2d12 means you role two 12-sided die to determine how many extra years your character can live beyond the extreme for Trolls. Wood elves means you rolle 2 100-sided die to determine them. The Ratonga: Roll 4 20-sided die. etc etc. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> So that would mean... Race- Middle Age - Old - Venerable - Maximum age Barbarian - 35 - 50 - 70 - 106 years Dark Elf - 200 - 280 - 360 - 660 years Dwarf - 125 - 175 - 250 - 450 years Erudite - 45 - 70 - 90 - 138 years Froglok - 30 - 40 - 55 - 85 years Gnome - 100 - 150 - 200 - 500 years Halfling - 50 - 75 - 100 - 220 years Half Elf - 55 - 90 - 110 - 190 years High Elf - 250 - 350 - 450 - 650 years Human - 40 - 60 - 75 - 135 years Iksar - 50 - 75 - 100 - 140 years Kerra - 35 - 60 - 80 - 120 years Ogre - 30 - 45 - 60 - 80 years Ratonga - 70 - 110 - 140 - 220 years Troll - 35 - 50 - 65 - 89 years Wood Elf - 210 - 300 - 375 - 575 years Since the oldest one could possibly get is having all the dice used roll their highest number. According to EQ2 PnP, anyways.

Cusashorn

10-19-2006, 09:45 PM

<DIV>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</DIV>

DreamerClou

10-20-2006, 08:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> It could be the stress levels in EQ2 are higher. High stress levels can really shorten your life span!! Or maybe pollution and global warming....Maybe the Age of Destiny is a more dangerous time to live -- what, with the pieces of Luclin falling to the ground and all -- never know when your time will be up! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Mirander_1

10-20-2006, 08:41 AM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>DreamerCloud9 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</div><div> </div><div>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</div><hr></blockquote>It could be the stress levels in EQ2 are higher. High stress levels can really shorten your life span!! Or maybe pollution and global warming....Maybe the Age of Destiny is a more dangerous time to live -- what, with the pieces of Luclin falling to the ground and all -- never know when your time will be up! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Which would beg the question of why humans suddenly gained an extra 15 years. In game or real life, has anyone ever heard of someone living 135 years?I have to admit that I'm surprised by the lifespan of the ratonga, I figured they'd be in the same range as frogloks, ogres, and trolls, rather than being able to see two centuries.</div>

DreamerClou

10-20-2006, 08:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> It could be the stress levels in EQ2 are higher. High stress levels can really shorten your life span!! Or maybe pollution and global warming....Maybe the Age of Destiny is a more dangerous time to live -- what, with the pieces of Luclin falling to the ground and all -- never know when your time will be up! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Which would beg the question of why humans suddenly gained an extra 15 years. In game or real life, has anyone ever heard of someone living 135 years? I have to admit that I'm surprised by the lifespan of the ratonga, I figured they'd be in the same range as frogloks, ogres, and trolls, rather than being able to see two centuries. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> While I was just poking some fun in my post up there, I guess you really can't compare the life span of real humans (us in the real world) with these humans in land of Norrath. As far as the Ratlings, who knows not much is really known about them. They seem to be infused with some kind of magic with designs they have on their chests.

Cusashorn

10-20-2006, 09:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> It could be the stress levels in EQ2 are higher. High stress levels can really shorten your life span!! Or maybe pollution and global warming....Maybe the Age of Destiny is a more dangerous time to live -- what, with the pieces of Luclin falling to the ground and all -- never know when your time will be up! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Which would beg the question of why humans suddenly gained an extra 15 years. In game or real life, has anyone ever heard of someone living 135 years? I have to admit that I'm surprised by the lifespan of the ratonga, I figured they'd be in the same range as frogloks, ogres, and trolls, rather than being able to see two centuries. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Humans adapt to all environments the easiest. YOU OWE US ONE MOTHER OF A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR LETTING YOU LIVE IN OUR CITIES!. :p

DreamerClou

10-21-2006, 09:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>What I don't get is the differences between the races in the EQ and EQ2 versions of the PNP game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in EQ, High Elves lived to 800 years at the extreme, with Wood Elves at 700 and Dark Elves at 650.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> It could be the stress levels in EQ2 are higher. High stress levels can really shorten your life span!! Or maybe pollution and global warming....Maybe the Age of Destiny is a more dangerous time to live -- what, with the pieces of Luclin falling to the ground and all -- never know when your time will be up! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Which would beg the question of why humans suddenly gained an extra 15 years. In game or real life, has anyone ever heard of someone living 135 years? I have to admit that I'm surprised by the lifespan of the ratonga, I figured they'd be in the same range as frogloks, ogres, and trolls, rather than being able to see two centuries. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Humans adapt to all environments the easiest. YOU OWE US ONE MOTHER OF A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR LETTING YOU LIVE IN OUR CITIES!. :p <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Ah yes, thanks for letting me live next to that slime mold in that dingy one room hovel in Longshadow Alley! I am forever in the humans debt!

Cusashorn

10-21-2006, 09:05 AM

<DIV>Would you rather rough it in the wild? at least you have a roof over your head.</DIV>

Josgar

10-24-2006, 06:39 AM

My High Elf is well over 1000 years old <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (but since I have not played EQOA, he has no clue what happened to him during that time. (Dont like how old my character is? Tough... anything is possible!)<div></div>

psubull

10-25-2006, 08:09 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Coccinea_Maga wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div>Please dont use the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons guide for this please.</div> <hr> </blockquote> Why not? The D&D numbers are clearly marked as such and can be used as a point of comparison as to what is in the EverQuest handbook. Also, if you look at the numbers, the D&D are roughly equivalent to the EverQuest ones. I fail to see the harm in giving people a little bit of extra information, that they can include or discount at their discretion.<hr></blockquote>Exhibit A: Norrath's KoboldsExhibit B: D&D's Kobolds</div>

Xalmat

10-25-2006, 08:14 PM

Dark Elves can easily live to be several hundred years old. Just ask Noxhill V'Sek in Nektulos Forest, he's at least 500 years old.

Cusashorn

10-25-2006, 08:21 PM

There are a few other dark elves in the game that have been around just as long too. It's been proven many times that the dark elves can live over 500 years. There's no arguing that.

EvilIguana9

10-25-2006, 10:13 PM

A little tangent: I really hate the linear aging curves. It makes no sense to me. They are saying it takes 90 years for an elf to reach the mental capacity of a 15 year old human? Or do we have elven "infants" that are doing algebra? Either way it just seems silly. The only logical solution to the conundrum is to assume that at the start of their lives, long lived races such as elves age at an apparent rate similar to shorter lives races like humans, but that the apparent rate of aging drops off as they mature. So a human baby and an elven baby would age roughly the same up to about 15 years. By the time the human is 30, the elf would appear roughly 20. By the time the human is 60 and surely retired from his life as an adventurer, the elf would only appear to be 25. That is the only way it really makes sense to me, because otherwise elven parents would be changing diapers for 6-12 years, and their kids would be considered mentally challenged to put it mildly. <div></div>

Nocturnal Aby

10-25-2006, 10:42 PM

I agree, it's always bothered me when someone says, "Well, they are 25 in human years." Well, that would mean they are 25 in elf years, too, since we all live on the same planet, we all share the same time. One year, is one year. However, I explain the maturity and adulthood situation in this way: Because of the longevity of some races, what the race considers to be an adult is extended. Humans consider themselves mature at around 18 because they only live to be 100 or so. By the age of 18, most humans will have learned enough, by the standards of other humans, to live on their own, and be an independant, functional part of society. Dwarves live to be 500 or so. A dwarf who is 18 will still be considered a young whipper snapper by other dwarves, as comparatively, he has not lived enough life to have gained the wisdom and insight of his older kin. In this way "maturity" is a racial concept, dictated by their respective societies in relation to the experience they have come to feel is adequate to make wise decisions based on their life's experiences. To this effect, an 18 year old elf would be of the same maturity of an 18 year old human, however, their places in their respective societies would be looked at differently, because of the overall experience able to be obtained by the average member of their societied. *sighs* Too bad most of that went over everyone's head.... Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 10-25-2006 11:46 AM

Vhalen

10-25-2006, 11:22 PM

We differ a bit from lifespan description of the EQ2 PnP. When working with the ages of Norrathians, I refer to the following terms. Childhood: The age when youths need supervision but are forming fast friendships and gaining their likes and dislikes. Adolescent: The body is formidable, but still growing. The personality is usually reckless at this stage. Mature: The age a body has reached full growth. The body can still be honed to be more formidable and the intellect can be furthered. Prime: The age a race is in its prime. At this age, most Norrathians are working at optimum levels in mind and body. This applies to the average person. Some legendary figures have grown in power beyond this age. Old: The average age of a race when it begins to show visible signs of aging and diminished skills. Elder: The average maximum age that can be attained without arcane assistance. Most persons will end life at this age. Ancient: A maximum age the average body of a race can endure with powerful arcane assistance. This does not apply to immortals whose bodies and souls have arcane properties bound within them. Wanderlust: The average age that a specific race becomes an adventurer. This is when they get the wanderlust to leave their community.

Cusashorn

10-25-2006, 11:32 PM

<DIV>Why would wanderlust be classified as a description of age when it doesn't directly relate to the being's physical or mental health?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I imagine that wanderlust would set in around the pre-teen years for most humans though.</DIV>

Ama

10-25-2006, 11:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Why would wanderlust be classified as a description of age when it doesn't directly relate to the being's physical or mental health?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I imagine that wanderlust would set in around the pre-teen years for most humans though.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Actually I would disagree Cusashorn and think it would set in around the age of 13 for humans then as the human ages to 16-18 reaching maturity they adventure outword.

Cusashorn

10-25-2006, 11:41 PM

<DIV>Thats what I said. Pre-teens.</DIV>

Phylok

10-26-2006, 12:11 AM

<DIV>Not to argue with you, but pre-teens usually mean between the ages of 10-12, with 13 been the start of someone becomming a Teen. According to some of the RP books out there, the mid to late teens is about when someone get's the wanderlust and becomes an adventurer. It's different for ever race.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Thats what I said. Pre-teens.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> </DIV>

Rijacki

10-26-2006, 12:11 AM

Wanderlust and the ability to really strike out on your own usually hits in late teens, early 20s for most people. That's when society often looks at the individual to spend time figuring out who he/she is. The Grande Tour of the Victorian era, a year (or so) off between high school and college, a year or several months away for the Amish, even going away from home to start college, could all be considered part of Wanderlust.Some of us, though, started wandering early in life and haven't quite figured out how to settle down in one place *laugh*. My first move (cross-state) was when I was 4 months old. I have only lived in 2 places in my life longer than 3 years (and most places are 2 years tops). I must have gypsy blood, I get itchy after living any place for a year or more (often I do major rearranging of furniture or living situation if I am staying in the same spot, just so I don't go buggy). In 40 years, I have lived in 5 states, 2 countries, and umm... -lots- of different locations (worst was moving 5 places in 1 year, the year I came back from Europe, but that wasn't intentional... though last year I nearly did a reprise, moving 3 times in 3 months).But... back on topic, Wanderlust is usually late teens to mid to late 20s at the latest.. during the time one is "finding him/herself".<div></div>

Zyphius

10-26-2006, 12:29 AM

Pre means before... A "pre-teen" is 10-12. Blah, that's what I get for leaving the thread up while I do something else before replying... Got beat to it, lol.Message Edited by putergod on 10-25-2006 04:30 PM

Kordran

10-26-2006, 12:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Please dont use the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons guide for this please.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, because Dungeons and Dragons has absolutely nothing to do with the fundamental design of EverQuest. /cough Edit: For those who aren't aware, a lot of what became EverQuest lore was based on Bill Trost's Greyhawk campaign. Quite a few of the character names and place names in EQ come from that campaign, as well (of course) as the various races and so on.Message Edited by Kordran on 10-25-2006 02:03 PM

Zyphius

10-26-2006, 12:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kordran wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Please dont use the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons guide for this please.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, because Dungeons and Dragons has absolutely nothing to do with the fundamental design of EverQuest. /cough <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Or any fantasy based MMORPG for that matter... .....

Kordran

10-26-2006, 01:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> putergod wrote: Or any fantasy based MMORPG for that matter... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Actually it's more than just any other RPG. The guy who was originally responsible for the lore of the game took elements directly from the Greyhawk campagin that he used to run. And virtually everything about the fundamental mechanics of the game, the races, the abilities, etc. were taken directly or indirectly from D&D. In fact, Trost didn't attempt to side-step the issue, he claimed that it was a positive feature of the game: by using the well-known D&D races, for example, he felt that it would be easier for players to get into. That's why dark elves are evil, high elves are noble elites, the wood elves are nature lovers, the dwarves are curmudgeons, etc. It's how those races were described by Gygax for D&D (and of course, he lifted much of that directly from fantasy literature) and the lore of EQ was made to fit that mold. They wanted a game environment that was immediately familiar to the PnP folks. Bottom line, much of the lore in EQ isn't really "original" per se. It's foundation is in a PnP campaign that was run 15+ years ago (just guessing at the timeline there, I recall reading it was from the early 90s, but I could be wrong).

Mirander_1

10-26-2006, 01:26 AM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>We differ a bit from lifespan description of the EQ2 PnP. When working with the ages of Norrathians, I refer to the following terms.Childhood: The age when youths need supervision but are forming fast friendships and gaining their likes and dislikes.Adolescent: The body is formidable, but still growing. The personality is usually reckless at this stage.Mature: The age a body has reached full growth. The body can still be honed to be more formidable and the intellect can be furthered.Prime: The age a race is in its prime. At this age, most Norrathians are working at optimum levels in mind and body. This applies to the average person. Some legendary figures have grown in power beyond this age.Old: The average age of a race when it begins to show visible signs of aging and diminished skills.Elder: The average maximum age that can be attained without arcane assistance. Most persons will end life at this age.Ancient: A maximum age the average body of a race can endure with powerful arcane assistance. This does not apply to immortals whose bodies and souls have arcane properties bound within them.Wanderlust: The average age that a specific race becomes an adventurer. This is when they get the wanderlust to leave their community.<hr></blockquote>Out of curriousity, do you think you could give us the 'official' lifespans for all the races? Or at least the 'elder' and 'wanderlust' ages? :smileywink:</div>

kajirala

10-26-2006, 01:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote: We differ a bit from lifespan description of the EQ2 PnP. When working with the ages of Norrathians, I refer to the following terms. Childhood: The age when youths need supervision but are forming fast friendships and gaining their likes and dislikes. Adolescent: The body is formidable, but still growing. The personality is usually reckless at this stage. Mature: The age a body has reached full growth. The body can still be honed to be more formidable and the intellect can be furthered. Prime: The age a race is in its prime. At this age, most Norrathians are working at optimum levels in mind and body. This applies to the average person. Some legendary figures have grown in power beyond this age. Old: The average age of a race when it begins to show visible signs of aging and diminished skills. Elder: The average maximum age that can be attained without arcane assistance. Most persons will end life at this age. Ancient: A maximum age the average body of a race can endure with powerful arcane assistance. This does not apply to immortals whose bodies and souls have arcane properties bound within them. Wanderlust: The average age that a specific race becomes an adventurer. This is when they get the wanderlust to leave their community. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> can we know the excact ages for each race please

Cusashorn

10-26-2006, 05:22 AM

<DIV>That would defeat the mystery, now wouldn't it?</DIV>

Mary the Prophetess

10-26-2006, 05:55 AM

I'm not sure it should even be a mystery! MANY times we, (as players), know things that our characters are unaware of about the lore of Norrath. This is one case, however, where our character's know more than we do as players. It should be general knowledge within each race as to the longetivity of their species, and at what chronological age they enter different phases of their life cycle. I think that it is something that will be put into the game eventually. When it is, I doubt it will be very much different from the age tables used a number of PnP RPGs.

troodon

10-26-2006, 06:03 AM

Mary hits Cusashorn for 150 points of logic damage!

Cusashorn

10-26-2006, 06:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote: Mary hits Cusashorn for 150 points of logic damage! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I resisted. There are *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY* too many NPC's of various races throughout all of EQ and EQ2 lore who defy all expected ages for thier races in the game. I'm not talking about one or two NPC's who have lived well beyond "Ancient". I'm talking about hundreds. If the races' ages were revealed, it would contradict a great number of NPC's across the entire game. For starters: Squire Fuzzmin. Halflings can't live 500 years even with magic helping them out.

Mary the Prophetess

10-26-2006, 06:23 AM

Assuming that your assessment is correct, (though I think your estimate of hundreds may be off), It leaves the developers three choices: 1.) Reveal the ages to be in line with other RPGs, and come up with some 'explanation', to account for the disrepencies. 2.) Reveal the ages to be at significant variance with other RPGs to account for the cases you cite. 3.) Keep the ages secret, thereby avoiding the problem. If I were a developer, I'd probably opt for #3 too.

Cusashorn

10-26-2006, 06:26 AM

<DIV>Ok not hundreds, but well over 50 anyway, which still stands out as too much of a statistic to be an odd factor.</DIV>

Ama

10-26-2006, 06:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Ok not hundreds, but well over 50 anyway, which still stands out as too much of a statistic to be an odd factor.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Well I gotta agree that if true ages of races are given out *Statistically* there will be evidence in game to contradict it. This is why some consider EQOA not to be a true EQ game because of some age discrepencies with some of the NPCs. I believe it was you Cusashorn that alerted me to this saying how could elves witness the collapse of the Takish'Hiz city and still be living. They would have to be 500 years old in the days of EQOA which contradicts the normal life expectancy of like 120 years to 150 years max *Guessing on those max years there.*

Mary the Prophetess

10-26-2006, 06:56 AM

The 'normal' (maximum) age for a Teir 'Dal, or a Koada 'Dal is around 800 years. Long enough to make it from EQoA to EQ Live, but not to make it from EQoA to EQ2. Of course, that's only if you accept the PnP longevity tables. It could be that the developers will come out and say that the longevity is much longer than that, (though I very seriously doubt it). I don't think they would like to undercut another Sony sanctioned product for one thing, and I don't think they would want to paint themselves into a corner like Cusa was trying to say. Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 10-25-2006 09:03 PM

Cusashorn

10-26-2006, 07:03 AM

<DIV>The most obvious figure if Miragule. From what I was able to gather, he lived well over 1000 years *BEFORE* he started using Necromancy to extend his life further.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's just not right...</DIV>

TheManInTheBox

10-26-2006, 02:27 PM

WellOn the topic of dark elves and how long they can live. Ambassador D'Vinn was around in EverQuest, and it has already been stated he will be around in Crushbone again. So you can tack on 500 years to his life, and thats not counting how many years actually went by before the timeline split. If I were him, I would be getting ready to retire. Spending your whole life working with orcs just seems like a heavy task to put on one person, even a dark elf. Unless its just a descendant of the D'Vinn we all knew and hated who just took his place as ambassador to the Crushbone Orcs. Of course he might have just stuck it out as the orcs could have found D'Vinn the only dark elf they could actually trust and work with.<div></div>

EvilIguana9

10-26-2006, 04:43 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>TheManInTheBox wrote:WellOn the topic of dark elves and how long they can live. Ambassador D'Vinn was around in EverQuest, and it has already been stated he will be around in Crushbone again. So you can tack on 500 years to his life, and thats not counting how many years actually went by before the timeline split. If I were him, I would be getting ready to retire. Spending your whole life working with orcs just seems like a heavy task to put on one person, even a dark elf. Unless its just a descendant of the D'Vinn we all knew and hated who just took his place as ambassador to the Crushbone Orcs. Of course he might have just stuck it out as the orcs could have found D'Vinn the only dark elf they could actually trust and work with.<div></div><hr></blockquote>It has been all but confirmed D'Vinn will be in. It has NOT been confirmed whether he will still be among the living. I mean, we have Holly Windstalker in antonica and she is long dead. It's quite possible D'Vinn has a similar undying urge to torment noobs binding his soul to this world. </div>

Cusashorn

10-26-2006, 07:03 PM

<DIV>Holly is a human. Humans dont live 650 years.</DIV>

DreamerClou

10-26-2006, 11:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Holly is a human. Humans dont live 650 years.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> The poster didn't say that Holly was still alive. I think the poster said that she is "long since dead" - meaning that even in death Holly is still trying to smack around the noobs in Antonica.

Cusashorn

10-27-2006, 04:34 AM

<DIV>Yeah, but Holly is dead. She passed on ages ago and now spends eternity in unrest. D'Vinn's race is more than capable of living long enough for him to still be alive. That's all I'm saying.</DIV>

kajirala

10-27-2006, 06:21 AM

Message Edited by kajirala on 10-26-2006 07:21 PM

Amuli

11-01-2006, 10:28 PM

<DIV>Burning question:</DIV> <DIV>Is there any lore etc. that mentions life span of the Fae? I haven't found anything yet :smileysad:</DIV>

Cusashorn

11-02-2006, 04:42 AM

<DIV>The expansion hasn't even been released yet. I don't think this is something that can be answered so soon.</DIV>

SharpeRif

11-02-2006, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>The most obvious figure if Miragule. From what I was able to gather, he lived well over 1000 years *BEFORE* he started using Necromancy to extend his life further.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's just not right...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> hmmm..only if he lived 1000 years naturally then used necromancy...theoretically there are probably other ways of extending the lifespan in-game...we just don't know them....he probably reached the end of the usefullness of such techniques though...then turned to Necromancy....course I state this knowing bleeding little about the aforementioned lifespan or person in question.

DCBomB

11-04-2006, 04:29 AM

Perhaps a variable could be added to all characters (PCs, NPCs) that indicates their age. It'd be in interesting addition, and could open the way for many RP opportunities, not to mention heritages, quests, and abilities.Like a quest given by a necromancer that a player can take to extend their lifespan, to suggest a more obvious opportunity.Not that I'm suggesting that characters can die of old age, but I doubt that's something anyone would need to worry about in reality even if it were the case.<div></div>

RaphaNissi

11-04-2006, 11:23 PM

<div></div>From Owlchick :The general lifespan of a Fae is approximately 70 "human years," although of course disease, war and other unpleasant things can shorten that considerably.:smileywink:<div></div>

Cusashorn

11-04-2006, 11:24 PM

Amuli

11-06-2006, 02:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote: From Owlchick : The general lifespan of a Fae is approximately 70 "human years," although of course disease, war and other unpleasant things can shorten that considerably. :smileywink: <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Thank you!