Theer: a Spiroc/Everling connection? Hunh?

[Fizwi]

Peering again at my Idol of Everling, I was reminded of a very interesting phrase: "servant of Theer" (referring to Mor'Tael).The only other place that Theer is mentioned (that I could find) is in PoA, during the Claymore questline.  Read up on the specific instances here:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11613Theer's Maidens were allied with the Spirocs against the Dragons in the Overrealm.  But what does this have to do with Everling and Mor'Tael?  If Mor'Tael and Theer are from Vul, do they have a vested interest in opposing the dragons?Perhaps a deeper question: how exactly are Everling and Mor'Tael linked?  And the Antonica Rikantus for that matter?  All three mention being divided, and all three deal in antiquities...<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Fizwick wrote:Perhaps a deeper question: how exactly are Everling and Mor'Tael linked?  And the Antonica Rikantus for that matter?  All three mention being divided, and all three deal in antiquities...<div></div><hr></blockquote>One obvious link is The Void, or Oblivion.  We know from his story that Everling went there.  We know from the idol that Mor'Tael was a merchant of Oblivion.  The Everling you are refering to is Rikantus Everling.  They are the same.</div>

[ganng]

This whole thing is beginning to more and more resemble the plot line from the delightfully tacky movie "Event Horizon".  As in if you go to the Void the Void comes back with you when you return.

[Lonissa]

So is <i>Theer</i>al just a strange coincidence, or is there a reason behind it?<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:So is <i>Theer</i>al just a strange coincidence, or is there a reason behind it?<div></div><hr></blockquote>I think it's a coincidence.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Entirely coincidental.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the Aviaks (Aviaks, not Spirocs. Huge difference) in Palace of the Awakening, keep in mind that they are allied with the dragons, and there is no information on even who Theer even is, much less any connections between the statues in Palace of the Awakened with Everling or anything else.</DIV>

[Fizwi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Entirely coincidental.</div> <div> </div> <div>As for the Aviaks (Aviaks, not Spirocs. Huge difference) in Palace of the Awakening, keep in mind that they are allied with the dragons, and there is no information on even who Theer even is, much less any connections between the statues in Palace of the Awakened with Everling or anything else.</div><hr></blockquote>PoA once belonged to the Spirocs, and you speak to Spiroc spirits.  The Spirocs, aided by the Maidens of Theer, fought the Blacktalon aviaks, who were allied with the dragons."<font face="Courier New"><font face="Arial">The Blacktalon soon seized the palace as their own in a final smite upon the grandeur of the Flock and her Spiroc."  -- the Book of Naar'Yora</font></font></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fizwick wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Entirely coincidental.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the Aviaks (Aviaks, not Spirocs. Huge difference) in Palace of the Awakening, keep in mind that they are allied with the dragons, and there is no information on even who Theer even is, much less any connections between the statues in Palace of the Awakened with Everling or anything else.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>PoA once belonged to the Spirocs, and you speak to Spiroc spirits.  The Spirocs, aided by the Maidens of Theer, fought the Blacktalon aviaks, who were allied with the dragons.<BR><BR>"<FONT face="Courier New"><FONT face=Arial>The Blacktalon soon seized the palace as their own in a final smite upon the grandeur of the Flock and her Spiroc."  -- the Book of Naar'Yora<BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>really? Ahh.. Hmm.

[Fizwi]

Yeah, it's kinda confusing, if you know Spirocs from EQ1 as the parrotheads.  The spiroc ghosts in PoA look just like aviaks.  Were they really the same spirocs?  Different spirocs?  Was whoever wrote the book confused?*shrug*<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

I think it's just a case of not getting around to making a parrot model.  Here's a slightly different question about the different aviak types though.  In EQlive, if I recall correctly, the generic aviak was supposed to be some sort of raven or crow, wasn't it?  The only eagle ones I remember is the Krag that lived in Butcherblock.  So why are the Krag now the generic aviaks? <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<P>The various history books behind the aviaks went on to tell that there were numerous races and variations of Aviaks.</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh I forget which book it is, but one of them tells of the Aviaks who settled in South Karana, and how they had the gift of flight taken away from them by Xegony herself, who had created them.</P>

[Mirander_1]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <p>The various history books behind the aviaks went on to tell that there were numerous races and variations of Aviaks.</p> <p>Oh I forget which book it is, but one of them tells of the Aviaks who settled in South Karana, and how they had the gift of flight taken away from them by Xegony herself, who had created them.</p><hr></blockquote>Is this book in EQ2 or EQlive?  This is really going out on a limb here, but if it was EQ2, then it could mean that the devs felt it nessessary to have one group of aviaks that couldn't fly, perhaps so they could be added to the playable race roster in the future without being unbalanced <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>One of the KOS collection books.</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Yeah, Theer raised a huge unanswered question in my head when I did the Claymore series (hence the post I made about it)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11613" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11613</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I heard the name again in Nektropos, I was intrigued... but I can't find any way to connect the two.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"It began when the one Flock entered the great sky. It was the Flock that sang to the spirits of the Spiroc, enlightening them, uniting them in rebellion. The Flock and her army refused the wills of the scale." - The Tome of Naar`Yora</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The Maidens of Theer were saviors to some, strangers to all. From wicked realms beyond the Sky came the armored maidens, a mysterious and powerful quartet. These lady knights from beyond arrived on the back of The Flock, her most trusted of arms. The Maidens were a mystery, but trusted ally of the liberated Spiroc. Together beside the wings of the Flock the quartet fought valiantly without fear. With their sporatic absence would follow tales of triumphs behind the lines of scale. They were unbeatable. The quartet was allied, but natives of beyond." - The Tome of Naar`Yora</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Flock seems like a mystical entity, an almost godlike being, who came to the Spiroc. The Maidens of Theer fought alongside the Spiroc against the Dragons and the Blacktalon Aviaks. This seems like a noble cause... but in Nektropos, whoever "Theer" is seems to invoke the image of something evil and vile... not a savior.</DIV> <DIV>It DOES say that the Maidens came from "wicked realms beyond the Sky," though. Connections?</DIV>

[Siufu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>One of the KOS collection books.</div><hr></blockquote><a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=First_Flight" target=_blank>First Flight</a></div>

[Homeskillet]

    I am not going to quickly discount the similarity between Theer and Theeral as coincidence. Theeral played a big part in things with the cursing, especially in regards to Rikantus and Alana.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its only a coincidence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heck. I went to see her the other day to find out if she says anything new about the rune of sunder in regards to Nektropos Tribulations. She doesn't say anything new at all.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:    I am not going to quickly discount the similarity between Theer and Theeral as coincidence. Theeral played a big part in things with the cursing, especially in regards to Rikantus and Alana.<div></div><hr></blockquote>What exactly do you mean by the second statement?  I was under the impression that Theeral was cursed.</div>

[louisepigen]

<DIV>i dont know how to do a quote so its just copy/past from the first post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>" All three mention being divided, and all three deal in antiquities..."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The divided part got me thinking and if you look at Lord Everling, he got his body in Antonica and his ghost (can call it his soul or sprit) in Nek 3.0.</DIV> <DIV>Maybe the rest is the same with 1 body at one place and 1 soul another. </DIV> <DIV>This would xplain why they are divded imo</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is this just me being nutty or can this be the answer?<BR></DIV>

[s]

<DIV>In response to the previous post, is it just me or does the name Kantus resemble Rikantus just a little too much to just be a coincidence?</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I don't remember anyone named Kantus. Who are you talking about?</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>Antiquator Kantus Mor'Tael...Nice observation, Sro.  Most don't use that name when talking about him, so it gets forgotten easily.<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>08-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I call coincidence. If it was Rikantus, he'd probably be a bit more creative.</DIV>