Lucan and the return of the God's

[galacticdu]

<DIV>I'm not sure if SOE will explore the story angle of Lucan and the return of the Gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, if your Lucan do you do one of the following.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Pack up shop and head to another planet in a Gnome rocket.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.hide in a hole like saddam</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. Give them the finger from your tower</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my opinion Lucan wants the worship of people all to himself. When the gods come back all mortal eyes won't be on him anymore.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>In my opinion, Lucan is a puppet of someone...maybe even one of the gods.  I don't think he obtained his power on his own (I could be totally wrong, of course <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ).  I don't think he's going anywhere.  He has bigger plans.  Whether they are his own or someone else's remains to be seen.<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>

[Dregor]

When faced with the inevitible outcome of people in Freeport worshipping the gods again, he'll do the only thing he can... he'll turn it around so that worshipping gods is perceived as benefiting him.<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>If SOE wanted to do a major plot twist, Lucan D'Lere could be imprisoned on the Plane of Justice for his crimes against the gods and then the Dark Gods could appoint one of their heralds as the new ruler of Freeport.</DIV>

[Kabil]

<div><blockquote><hr>galacticdude wrote:<div>I'm not sure if SOE will explore the story angle of Lucan and the return of the Gods.</div> <div> </div> <div>Okay, if your Lucan do you do one of the following.</div> <div> </div> <div>1. Pack up shop and head to another planet in a Gnome rocket.</div> <div> </div> <div>2.hide in a hole like saddam</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#66ff00"><b>3. Give them the finger from your tower</b></font></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>In my opinion Lucan wants the worship of people all to himself. When the gods come back all mortal eyes won't be on him anymore.</div><hr></blockquote>Absolutely</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Lucan has no problem with people worshipping the gods in Freeport. They just have to continue to aknowledge him as the higher power.</DIV>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> galacticdude wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm not sure if SOE will explore the story angle of Lucan and the return of the Gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, if your Lucan do you do one of the following.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Pack up shop and head to another planet in a Gnome rocket.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.hide in a hole like saddam</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>3. Give them the finger from your tower</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my opinion Lucan wants the worship of people all to himself. When the gods come back all mortal eyes won't be on him anymore.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Have to agree with another on the 3rd statement with Lucan giving them the preverbial finger.  Also Cusashorn I don't think lucan really wants the gods in Freeport because it could cause dessention amongst his people and this could be why he wanted to get rid of the people of the Dismal Rage. </P> <P>He probably allowed some of them to stay telling them as you say they must worship him as much as they would worship a god.  I would find it funny if one of the evil gods came down smacking Lucan around for Blasphemy or something like that.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The gods have no beef with Lucan. Arrogance is a mortal quality. Just because someone is an immortal undead Lich who claims to be more powerful than the gods, doesn't mean that they are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gods will leave Lucan alone unless he makes the first move against them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was Mithanial Marr who stripped him of his powers in the first place when he betrayed the teachings of the paladin. Mithanial decided to go easy on him...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if he is immortal through a ritual, he's still a mortal. Varsoon would be no different in this situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As long as people acknowledge (or at least act the part) that Lucan is superior, then he has no problem, because from the Gods point of view, he's still only a figurehead to lead the people of that city, and they'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have his fun and attention he craves.</DIV>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>The gods have no beef with Lucan. Arrogance is a mortal quality. Just because someone is an immortal undead Lich who claims to be more powerful than the gods, doesn't mean that they are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gods will leave Lucan alone unless he makes the first move against them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was Mithanial Marr who stripped him of his powers in the first place when he betrayed the teachings of the paladin. Mithanial decided to go easy on him...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if he is immortal through a ritual, he's still a mortal. Varsoon would be no different in this situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>As long as people acknowledge (or at least act the part) that Lucan is superior, then he has no problem, because from the Gods point of view, he's still only a figurehead to lead the people of that city, and they'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have his fun and attention he craves.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>*Evil Grin* For now that is until the probably decide to act taking out Lucan.  That would deffinately make for an interesting twist for all of his years of Arrogance the gods or a god deciding they have had enough of his mortal Arrogance.  Course as another person said he could just possibly be a figure head working for a god in exchange for certain favors.<BR>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>The gods have no beef with Lucan. Arrogance is a mortal quality. Just because someone is an immortal undead Lich who claims to be more powerful than the gods, doesn't mean that they are.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As long as people acknowledge (or at least act the part) that Lucan is superior, then he has no problem, because from the Gods point of view, he's still only a figurehead to lead the people of that city, and they'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have his fun and attention he craves.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, yes, but there was that incident with the Shissar claiming to be superior to Cazic-Thule....</P><p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>The gods have no beef with Lucan. Arrogance is a mortal quality. Just because someone is an immortal undead Lich who claims to be more powerful than the gods, doesn't mean that they are.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As long as people acknowledge (or at least act the part) that Lucan is superior, then he has no problem, because from the Gods point of view, he's still only a figurehead to lead the people of that city, and they'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have his fun and attention he craves.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, yes, but there was that incident with the Shissar claiming to be superior to Cazic-Thule....</P> <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:18 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Unlike the Shissar, Lucan hasn't DEFILED, ENSLAVED, [Removed for Content], AND KILLED any of the god's races to the point of extinction.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thats exactly what they did to the Iksar, back during a time when the gods were actually proud of thier new creations. That went out the window when they invaded the planes.</P>

[Voliere]

Besides, unless the gods unite against him I am not sure one alone could overthrow him and his minions. Wasnt the reason for the gods leaving in the first place (according to the little intro movie every time you make a new character) that the gods themselves had become JEALOUS of the mortals growing power? And also isnt this game's lore is built upon what happened in EQ 1 where the mortal races were actually raiding through the gods planar realms and killing their physical manifestations? (allthough not permenantly killing them)I think we are intended to follow what has happened previously in that the gods are not so vastly powerful as they were once thought to be. They may know they cannot permenantly be killed, but they do know at this point the mortals CAN and HAVE killed their physical manifestations before, and Lucan is no mere mortal none the less.Lucan will no doubt allow his people to worship their gods, with a command to "gain" what you can from them, but to use whatever you gain in the service of freeport and to understand that he still comes first in your loyalty and duties._________EDIT_________Basically I think people need to remember that the gods in EQ are not like the gods in that people believe in in our world, that being beings of unlimited power. The gods in norrath HAVE limits, and I think are more accurately compared to the ancient greek gods. I do not believe the above statement of "arrogance being a mortal emotion" that we are supposed to consider the norrathian gods above emotions and selfish drives. On the contrary the Devs themselves tell us in that intro movie the gods grew jealous (mortal emotion) and we allready know many of the gods lust for power and contend with one another as is. They also plot against each other and have expressed arrogance before. These "gods" are more like mortals then many seem to believe, which is why the dismal rage believes that clerical powers etc. never came from them in the first place, but rather from the plains they represent.<p>Message Edited by Voliere on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You don't need a physical avatar to zap someone into complete nothingness.</DIV>

[Voliere]

Their powers have limits remeber? Some weaker people thy can probably blast into oblivion, Lucan may be another story, or some Dragons etc for that matter wouldnt just simplely be looked at by a single god and just zap! be destroyed. Anyone remeber the sleeper too? Not a god, but certainly god-like in power was he not?

[Rashaak]

<DIV>I would have to agree with a couple posters here that Lucan is just a figure head. Isn't it true that only one Prophet has been found in Freeport? The prophet for Innoruuk? If that's the case, then most likely Lucan was/is just a puppet for Inny. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But also I'd have to agree with Cusa as well. If Lucan didn't allow open worship of a god/goddess, he would loose his faithful. This of course is if he is not just a figure head for a god/goddess himself. Even though he would hate the fact that the people of Freeport turned to worship their individual gods, it would be 'political suicide' to try and dictate the worshipping of the citizens of Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anything he most likely will manipulate and twist things around that him and him alone allowed the open worship of the gods, so that he will be looked at as the continued savior of the mortal race. Through his power, control, and guidance he has brought back the power of the gods. Just a bunch of political mumbojumbo of a dictatorship.</DIV>

[Xyran]

<div></div>We also can and have killed Lucan before.... he was a lot easier to kill then the manifestations of the gods.  A single god would have no problem killing him.

[Rashaak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xyran wrote:<BR> <BR>We also can and have killed Lucan before.... he was a lot easier to kill then the manifestations of the gods.  A single god would have no problem killing him.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>couple things...</P> <P>1) That was in EQ1 and possibly never happened in EQ2 lore</P> <P>2) Also, that was 500 years ago, and he didn't have the same type of powers that he has now</P> <P>So, that would be an assumption at best. <BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rashaak wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xyran wrote:<BR> <BR>We also can and have killed Lucan before.... he was a lot easier to kill then the manifestations of the gods.  A single god would have no problem killing him.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>couple things...</P> <P>1) That was in EQ1 and possibly never happened in EQ2 lore</P> <P>2) Also, that was 500 years ago, and he didn't have the same type of powers that he has now</P> <P>So, that would be an assumption at best. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh. It happened. It Happened.

[Rashaak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rashaak wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>couple things...</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>1) That was in EQ1 and possibly never happened in EQ2 lore</P> <P>2) Also, that was 500 years ago, and he didn't have the same type of powers that he has now</P> <P>So, that would be an assumption at best. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh. It happened. It Happened.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, I don't consider myself a major lore expert, but I've never read anything in EQ2 lore stating that Lucan was killed, just stripped of his paladin powers so if you have something then link it for me please.  :smileyhappy:

[Voliere]

Not to mention he doesnt even need or really seem to care about those paladin powers anyway as we all know he has aquired a great many others, namely shadowknight powers. A wierd thing though is you can still find statues of lucan showing him have the "blessed weapon" paladin buff up on himself, except if real paladins had his proc they would be the ultimate dps classes =). His is something like a 10% chance to proc 5,000 damage. They should probably fix that.

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Unlike the Shissar, Lucan hasn't DEFILED, ENSLAVED, [Removed for Content], AND KILLED any of the god's races to the point of extinction.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I like to think that the Iksar were not <EM>[Removed for Content]</EM> at the hands of the Shissar.</P><p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:31 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Unlike the Shissar, Lucan hasn't DEFILED, ENSLAVED, [Removed for Content], AND KILLED any of the god's races to the point of extinction.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I like to think that the Iksar were not <EM>[Removed for Content]</EM> at the hands of the Shissar.</P> <P>Message Edited by troodon on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah just be glad I didn't use any more than those four words...

[Xxile]

<P>It wasnt just the way the iksar were treated that [Removed for Content] off Cazic.  There was also the fact they made pacts with other gods, declared them selves as gods, opened up the planes and attacked the gods and even attacked the plane of fear, helped to ogres attack the rathe (well actully that didnt [Removed for Content] him of but the other stuff did).</P> <P>The gods dont see Lucan as a threat hes just a scared softskin with a glow in the dark sword who hides in a floating citidel.  If they did they woulda killed him by now pluss I think Old Mith was getin tired of the pals in Freeport so he allowed Lucan to live and drive them out.:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>Don't forget that in her dialogue, the Herald of Inny pretty much dares you to go tell on her with Lucan but that it won't do any good because she holds a certain weight with him.  That tells me that Lucan wouldn't be able to do anything about it even if he wanted to.<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:18 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<FONT color=#ff00ff></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xxile wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>There was also the fact they made pacts with other gods</FONT>, <FONT color=#66ff00>declared them selves as gods</FONT>, <FONT color=#3366ff>opened up the planes and attacked the gods</FONT> <FONT color=#ff33cc>and even attacked the plane of fear</FONT>, <FONT color=#cc33ff>helped to ogres attack the rathe (well actully that didnt [Removed for Content] him of but the other stuff did).</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Yes</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>Yes</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0066ff>Probably</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff00ff>Never stated</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>AND MOST DEFFINITLY DID NOT.</FONT></P> <P>The Shissar only lived on Kunark. ONLY on Kunark. They didn't know about any races outside of the continent, and if they did, they didn't care. They were extremely xenophobic people even before they got the **** scared out of them by the threat of the greenmist, and deffinitly after they were almost turned exinct by the Greenmist.</P> <P> </P> <P>It was defying Cazic Thule, enslaving and killing his new chosen race which he had just created almost to extinction, and declaring themselves as gods that brought about the Greenmist.</P>

[Yar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Rashaak wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Rashaak wrote: <div></div> <blockquote>couple things...</blockquote> <p>1) That was in EQ1 and possibly never happened in EQ2 lore</p> <p>2) Also, that was 500 years ago, and he didn't have the same type of powers that he has now</p> <p>So, that would be an assumption at best. </p> <hr> </blockquote>Oh. It happened. It Happened. <hr> </blockquote>Well, I don't consider myself a major lore expert, but I've never read anything in EQ2 lore stating that Lucan was killed, just stripped of his paladin powers so if you have something then link it for me please.  :smileyhappy:<hr></blockquote>A bit of supporting EQ2 and EQ1 lore:<font color="#ff0000"><b>Soulfire<font size="1">(formatted so it's easier reading)</font></b><font size="1"><font color="#ffffff" size="2">The origins of this magical blade are the stuff of legend. It has been claimed by both paladins and shadow knights at various times in history and has felled opponents both treacherous and noble. Some claim that the souls of those slain by this weapon are trapped within the sword itself. It is said that if you look closely at the glinting metal under the bright sun, you can see subtle visages of faces shrieking in torment. This sword was originally found by dark elves in the Underfoot, and it remained in the Teir'Dal Empire for centuries before it was stolen by a band of adventurers. Taken from Neriak's vaults, it passed through many hands and eventually found its way to the great trade city of Freeport. Disassembled by some unknown entity, its pieces were scattered around Norrath. As its legend grew and adventurers attempted to find the sword, fragments were gradually discovered. <font color="#3300ff"><font color="#0099ff">Eventually one courageous paladin collected all the lost pieces, and the sword magically reassembled of its own wil</font>l</font>. The valorous Order of Marr knew its power and quickly hid it far from the empires of man in a secluded fortress called Marr. But it was again stolen and disappeared for years, eventually ending up in the hands of the Avatar of War as he led the Rallosian Empire in a massive assault on Freeport. At the Battle of Defiance the Avatar was slain, and Soulfire was snatched from his dead clutches by the evil ruler of Freeport - the fallen paladin known as Lucan D'Lere. To this day the Overlord wields its fiery blade to inspire fear in the hearts of his subjects.<font size="4"></font><font size="3">EQ1 Portion:In order to piece the weapon back together, you needed to collect the Brillaint Sword of Faith, Soulfire Hilt, your Testimony of Truth and, finally, "</font></font></font></font>Zimel's Letter From Hayle".<b><font color="#ff0000">The Brilliant Sword of Faith was awarded to you by Valeron Dushire after disposing of Sir Lucan.<font color="#ffffff"></font></font></b><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ffffff">Nobody knows why Lucan still exists ... some major player in the grand scheme of things probably brought him back to un-life again, and are using him as a puppet -- a common theme presented through this thread.We know Soulfire exists in game, as Lucan is weilding it.  How ironic ... he is holding the weapon he was killed for (-:I'm hoping for the opportunity to slay him again!!!</font></font></font></div>

[Xxile]

<P>This state the shissar were travelers and plunderers:  <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=iks_fallshissar" target=_blank>http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=iks_fallshissar</A></P> <P>This is where I heard about the Shissar and ogres dont realy know how accurate it is though you tell me:  <A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=6172" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=6172</A></P> <P>I also remember reading something about it outa casters realm anyway as for them attacking the plane of fear wasnt that hole story about  Emperor Ssraeshza The God Slayer about how he attacked the plane of fear and was weakened by the greenmist</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xxile wrote:<BR> <P>This is where I heard about the Shissar and ogres dont realy know how accurate it is though you tell me:  <A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=6172" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=6172</A></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As stated right there in the thread:</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> The following is in no way to be considered the absolute truth, but it is the best attempt to explain things working with what has been given, and based on the sources where they can be found. <HR> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>There's absolutely no lore stating that the Shissar ever benefited from the Ring of Scale, or ever left Kunark. I know they certainly did not assist in Rallos Zek's attempt to rule all of Norrath and the Plane of Earth.</P>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> galacticdude wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm not sure if SOE will explore the story angle of Lucan and the return of the Gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, if your Lucan do you do one of the following.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Pack up shop and head to another planet in a Gnome rocket.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>2.hide in a hole like saddam</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. Give them the finger from your tower</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my opinion Lucan wants the worship of people all to himself. When the gods come back all mortal eyes won't be on him anymore.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>rofl rofl!  Oh the image in my head!</P> <P>/cough  I mean...Lucan will have your head on a pike for that comment!<BR></P>

[cr0wangel]

<div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div> <div>If SOE wanted to do a major plot twist, Lucan D'Lere could be imprisoned on the Plane of Justice for his crimes against the gods and then the Dark Gods could appoint one of their heralds as the new ruler of Freeport.</div><hr></blockquote>Especially Innoruuk....Freeport belong to the dark elves I say. -grin-</div>

[Ama]

<DIV>You know there is something that alot of us are missing from this picture.  Lucan seems to defy the gods spitting at them having claiming their work as his own or saying they are never returning.  However I am wondering about queen Antonia Bayle and what she thinks amongst Lucan's arrogance?  The only thing I have heard for certain is the fact that the person who heralds Mithaniel Marrs return swore his sword to queen Antonia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does Antonia want the gods to return including the "Evil Ones" or does she want the truer gods to return carring hope and peace.  These gods being Mithaniel and Erollsi Mar, Tunare and such that will help restore the land.  Anotnia isn't evil like lucan but I do wonder what she is think about in her castle?</DIV>

[Kyvthuhlu]

<P>Just because in EverQuest 1 the only way to collect the pieces for the SoulFire was through killing Lucan, doesn't mean that in EverQuest 2 a paladin had to have killed Lucan to get all the SoulFire pieces.</P> <P>It could be as simply that they found the actual blade of SoulFire and didn't use an artificial replacement...</P> <P>Afterall it does say some paladin found <EM>all</EM> the pieces, not the Brilliant Sword of Faith to replace a missing blade.</P>

[Yar]

True, it could have been 'different' ... but I'm going by what we know happened in EQLive.   Since Soulfire's quest was in game well before Planes of Power etc., (hell, the sword showed up in Beta, as well) I'm sure we can take it as canon that the events surrounding the creation of the sword did in fact happen.Unless someone wants to clarify the events around the reforging/reforming of Soulfire...<div></div>

[Vyrance]

the shissar traveled planes.  i find it hard to believe that they never left kunark on their own world.

[Kyvthuhlu]

<hr size="2" width="100%">Unless someone wants to clarify the events around the reforging/reforming of Soulfire...<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>Is there any mention of a Lucanic death?If not, then Okham's Razor dictates that the most likely conclusion is that they found the blade without having to kill him.Heck, it's every bit as likely that the paladin killed Valeron Dushire and took the blade.<hr size="2" width="100%">the shissar traveled planes.  i find it hard to believe that they never left kunark on their own world.<hr size="2" width="100%">Mortals travelled to the moon, and to planes, without ever finding Taelosia or the Serpent Spine Mountains so...

[Yar]

<P>Lucan is a Lich.  He was most likely killed at one point, then through some bargain, given unlife.  </P> <P>Years later, he was killed >again< by some zealous Paladin seeking to reforge Soulfire.  </P> <P>Lucan could have been brought back >AGAIN<.  Who really knows...</P> <P>Sure, the blade could have been reformed whole without slaying Lucan ... but, what fun is that?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Einsteinb]

<P>If I am not mistaken, Lucan is not afraid to control the worship in his city:</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14167" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14167</A></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>The Dismal Rage is an amalgamation of some of the darker religions of Norrath. It was not always this way. In the beginning, The Dismal Rage was comprised of disciples of hate. They were instrumental in the rise of Sir Lucan as supreme commander of Freeport. Unfortunately for them, Sir Lucan was not so appreciative. Sir Lucan rid Freeport, and Norrath, of most of the disciples of the Dismal Rage and destroyed their secret temple. Freeport babble says that Sir Lucan destroyed the Dismal Rage after they bestowed him with great powers to replace those that were stripped from his soul after falling from the grace of the gods of valor and love. No one knows if this is true, but that first incarnation of the Dismal Rage was destroyed.</P> <P>For whatever reason, Sir Lucan kept one member of the Dismal Rage alive. Xelha Nevagon was the only original member of the Dismal Rage left alive. Some believe that Sir Lucan was related to her in some ways and some even believed she was his consort. During this time, Sir Lucan rid Freeport of all religion. Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit.</P> <P></P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't believe the devs would go so far as to have Lucan destroy the Dismal Rage. The indicators that religious worship of certain gods would be available in Freeport forbid this. He would probably shift the focus to place him as someone the gods fear or respect. I recall a few times in my roleplay I portray Lucan as drawing the gods' favour and being blessed for his own strength.</P> <P>I don't think the gods would interfere in the affairs of Freeport in such a manner as removing Lucan. It's just bad gameplay considering this is supposed to be an age where the cities of man are the centrepoint.</P>

[Angel eye]

You know what I think...http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=906624

[Yar]

And that adds to the conversation how, Angel eye?<div></div>

[Einsteinb]

Another interesting note for the discussion, the Seraph of Hate is named Xilania Nevagon. This may be a relative (or perhaps the actual person) refered to in Vhalen's lore regarding the Dismal Rage (quoted in part above). This may be why the Seraph claims her name carries weight with Lucan, and also contributes to the mystery of Lucan's involvement with the gods and the history of the Seraph.

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Einsteinb wrote:<div></div>Another interesting note for the discussion, the Seraph of Hate is named Xilania Nevagon. This may be a relative (or perhaps the actual person) refered to in Vhalen's lore regarding the Dismal Rage (quoted in part above). This may be why the Seraph claims her name carries weight with Lucan, and also contributes to the mystery of Lucan's involvement with the gods and the history of the Seraph.<hr></blockquote>I think it must have been in the neverending 9 prophets thread that this was discussed some.  It was quite interesting that she is somehow related to the ONLY member of the original Dismal Rage that Luclan let live.  One of the ideas is that Xilania is really Lucan's daughter/grand-daughter or some other blood relation.</div>