Language of the Land

[Ama]

<DIV>One thing I want to ask my lore/historical brethern is the lore/history behind the language of the races in general.  Where did this language develope, was it introduced to them or did they choose to learn it?  Also what is the most common language of the land itself and when we quest for language how do we players learn that language? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The biggest mystery to me is once we gather the 20+ runes of the draconic alphabet how are we able to understand their meaning?  The Sage of Ages teaches us but exactly how does he teach us the draconic language and in doing so did he violate one of the draconian laws in doing so?</DIV>

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <DIV>One thing I want to ask my lore/historical brethern is the lore/history behind the language of the races in general.  Where did this language develope, was it introduced to them or did they choose to learn it?  Also what is the most common language of the land itself and when we quest for language how do we players learn that language? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The biggest mystery to me is once we gather the 20+ runes of the draconic alphabet how are we able to understand their meaning?  The Sage of Ages teaches us but exactly how does he teach us the draconic language and in doing so did he violate one of the draconian laws in doing so?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I can't answer the first question.</P> <P>The most common language is Norrathian.</P> <P> </P> <P>Since he is a dragon, I would think that it would be easy teaching us his language.  The quest indicates that time has actually passed since you've learned the language.  Now, the draconian laws may have been broken, but since when has Darathar cared about draconian laws? </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Umm.. races just developed thier own languages just like people in the real world did as they slowly expanded across the world. There's really not much mystery behind them, but part of me does wish that we had to learn Languages in EQ2 like you had to do in EQlive. You had to group with someone who researched the language (a type of tradeskill that caster classes sort of got) or naturally knew it, and you had to let them spam you to heck with /group to teach you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, I think you'll find everyone pretty much in agreement that the most common language of the land is Common tongue... :/</DIV>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Norrathian sounds like speaking Earthian or Terran, in They have diffrent languages. Wouldn't work in PvE so well especially in Cross City guilds. Trade Tongue  or Common is just so overused.</font> <div></div>

[KniteShayd]

<P>If i'm not mistaken, Norrathian is the name for <EM>common</EM>. Common is a generic term in and of itself.</P> <P>The reason why the 3 PvP languages respective, common tomgues are different is because, they are different Dialects.  Hence, the languages of <EM>Antonican Common, Lucanic Common</EM>, and whatever the Exiled language is called, all would be incomprehensable to one another.  </P> <P>Just look at Chinese.  It has both Mandarin and Cantonese, both respective tongues are Chinese, yet they are different dialects and thusly considered 'different languages'.</P><p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[KniteShayd]

side note:  Why did the Devs take out the ability to buy language primers for opposite faction languages?(last time i wasn't able to buyany in Freeport) And why, if opposite factions can't speak one another's lang., can we understand NPC's if they are supposed to speak only thier location's language?

[Dregor]

<div><blockquote><hr>KniteShayd wrote:<div></div>And why, if opposite factions can't speak one another's lang., can we understand NPC's if they are supposed to speak only thier location's language?<hr></blockquote>If they speak another language then they'll speak it.  If you know the language, you won't realize they're speaking it.  If you don't, you get gibberish.  I run into halflings spouting mumbo jumbo all the time in Rivervale.</div>

[Ama]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dregor wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> And why, if opposite factions can't speak one another's lang., can we understand NPC's if they are supposed to speak only thier location's language?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If they speak another language then they'll speak it.  If you know the language, you won't realize they're speaking it.  If you don't, you get gibberish.  I run into halflings spouting mumbo jumbo all the time in Rivervale.<BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think the biggest question is why more over than making us realize they are speaking that language.  Althought I still wonder if Darathar really broke draconian laws when he taught us how to speak and understand draconic words.  I know he may not care if he broke the laws however one reason I ask is the fact that in the bonemire you encounter that droag on the little island.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When you begin asking him what his master's name is he says he cannot mention it and you are a fool because the draconian language has power behind it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some language I believe wasn't developed was their at the beginning of birth such as the draconic language given to Veeshan's Children.  The thing about this language is it is very magical in nature wherebye dragons can listen in on other dragons conversations or know when something maybe up. <BR></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Players easily researched the Dragon language in EQlive, and it was sometimes required to speak with dragons. The dragons themselves showed no interest that they knew how to speak thier tongue. They didn't seem to care.</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Players easily researched the Dragon language in EQlive, and it was sometimes required to speak with dragons. The dragons themselves showed no interest that they knew how to speak thier tongue. <FONT color=#ff0000>They didn't seem to care</FONT>.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Prolly cuz they thots us tuu stupidz to undrstand that ther wuz powrz in tha langwajez they speex.</P> <P>lol, just a thought.<BR></P><p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 PM</span>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Players easily researched the Dragon language in EQlive, and it was sometimes required to speak with dragons. The dragons themselves showed no interest that they knew how to speak thier tongue. <FONT color=#ff0000>They didn't seem to care</FONT>.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Prolly cuz they thots us tuu stupidz to undrstand that ther wuz powrz in tha langwajez they speex.</P> <P>lol, just a thought.<BR></P> <P>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>01:02 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heh cute, so what your saying Cusashorn is the dragons really didn't care we learned how to speak their language? I find that very interesting because I thought that a race as noble and proud as the dragons would be extremely P***ed off that we manage to learn their intricate dialect. </P> <P>Only thing I kinda hate in game right now is in the temple of scale in order to speak to the ghostly droag for the ghostly gift quest you must know the death whisper language.  I mean I thought he would speak the draconic language but to my surprise as I run up there to him he only speaks the death whisper language. </P> <P>That is another thing that is a bit of a head scratcher to me because in regular parts of norrath skeletons speak common language.  However in the Sinking Sands area they speak the Death Whisper language which makes me wonder where that originated. </P> <P>Another confusing part to me is the ghostly repear in the Living Tomb in the first part talks about he comes from the Death Toll Tower in the dead hills of the Etherne.  However in the Bonemire you can access Deathtoll itself which is hallowed ground to dragon kind.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its because Death's Whisper is the official language of the Sul'Dae elves, who all thought they knew how to achieve immortality through becomming undead in the first place.</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote: <P>Heh cute, so what your saying Cusashorn is the dragons really didn't care we learned how to speak their language? I find that very interesting because I thought that a race as noble and proud as the dragons would be extremely P***ed off that we manage to learn their intricate dialect. </P> <P>Only thing I kinda hate in game right now is in the temple of scale in order to speak to the ghostly droag for the ghostly gift quest you must know the death whisper language.  I mean I thought he would speak the draconic language but to my surprise as I run up there to him he only speaks the death whisper language. </P> <P>That is another thing that is a bit of a head scratcher to me because in regular parts of norrath skeletons speak common language.  However in the Sinking Sands area they speak the Death Whisper language which makes me wonder where that originated. </P> <P>Another confusing part to me is the ghostly repear in the Living Tomb in the first part talks about he comes from the Death Toll Tower in the dead hills of the Etherne.  However in the Bonemire you can access Deathtoll itself which is hallowed ground to dragon kind.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think that particular droag (if you're talking about the one who announces himself as a Bayle in the Claymore quest series) speaks Druzaic (Words of Pure Magic), not Death Whisper.</P> <P>And Deathtoll, the zone in Bonemire, has no immediate relation to the Deathtoll Tower in Ethernere.</P><p>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <span class=date_text>08-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:45 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <P>And Deathtoll, the zone in Bonemire, has no immediate relation to the Deathtoll Tower in Ethernere.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Indeed. the devs even commented that Deathtoll is just a dragon necropolis (A necropolis, not THE Dragon Necropolis) and is not related to Deathtoll at all.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote: <P>Heh cute, so what your saying Cusashorn is the dragons really didn't care we learned how to speak their language? I find that very interesting because I thought that a race as noble and proud as the dragons would be extremely P***ed off that we manage to learn their intricate dialect. </P> <P>Only thing I kinda hate in game right now is in the temple of scale in order to speak to the ghostly droag for the ghostly gift quest you must know the death whisper language.  I mean I thought he would speak the draconic language but to my surprise as I run up there to him he only speaks the death whisper language. </P> <P>That is another thing that is a bit of a head scratcher to me because in regular parts of norrath skeletons speak common language.  However in the Sinking Sands area they speak the Death Whisper language which makes me wonder where that originated. </P> <P>Another confusing part to me is the ghostly repear in the Living Tomb in the first part talks about he comes from the Death Toll Tower in the dead hills of the Etherne.  However in the Bonemire you can access Deathtoll itself which is hallowed ground to dragon kind.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think that particular droag (if you're talking about the one who announces himself as a Bayle in the Claymore quest series) speaks Druzaic (Words of Pure Magic), not Death Whisper.</P> <P>And Deathtoll, the zone in Bonemire, has no immediate relation to the Deathtoll Tower in Ethernere.</P> <P>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <SPAN class=date_text>08-16-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:45 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There is a droag in the bonemire that you must talk to in order to gain access to deathtoll.  That droag Arbiter selek is the one I am talking about not the ghostly droag.  One thing that both of you are saying is that it has no relation to the Ethernere Deathtoll Tower however i'm wondering if there is something binding them together. </P> <P>Turadramin or Arbiter selek states that if Tarinax had his flesh restored he could be the savior of dragonkind but i'm wondering if thats true or not. </P>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote: <P>Turadramin or Arbiter selek states that if Tarinax had his flesh restored he could be the savior of dragonkind but i'm wondering if thats true or not. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wonder if this will happen if the theories of the dragon wars to come are true in the future...</P> <P>(The war against the dragons in the 9 prophets post)</P>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote: <P>Turadramin or Arbiter selek states that if Tarinax had his flesh restored he could be the savior of dragonkind but i'm wondering if thats true or not. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wonder if this will happen if the theories of the dragon wars to come are true in the future...</P> <P>(The war against the dragons in the 9 prophets post)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Deffinately makes me wonder about it cause I don't think there are too many dragons willing to help us out.  I also have to ask is that Dragon/Turtle thing really a Dragon or is it some weird Ancient spirit?

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR>There is a droag in the bonemire that you must talk to in order to gain access to deathtoll.  That droag Arbiter selek is the one I am talking about not the ghostly droag.  One thing that both of you are saying is that it has no relation to the Ethernere Deathtoll Tower however i'm wondering if there is something binding them together.  <P>Turadramin or Arbiter selek states that if Tarinax had his flesh restored he could be the savior of dragonkind but i'm wondering if thats true or not. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That droag (Arbiter Selek) speaks Draconic... not Death's Whisper :smileywink:</P> <P>There's certainly no immediate relationship between Deathtoll the zone, and Ethernere/Deathtoll Bell Tower. Aaryonar (and I think Turadramin) both speak of their journeys in Ethernere. Aaryonar states that he was pulled back into this world by Kerafyrm, so I assume the Sleeper is powerful enough to do that. However, Deathtoll and Ethernere are not closely related.</P> <P>PS - I think it was Nagafen who states that Tarinax would bring justice to the Awakened if his body were reunited with his soul.</P>

[Ama]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR>There is a droag in the bonemire that you must talk to in order to gain access to deathtoll.  That droag Arbiter selek is the one I am talking about not the ghostly droag.  One thing that both of you are saying is that it has no relation to the Ethernere Deathtoll Tower however i'm wondering if there is something binding them together.  <P>Turadramin or Arbiter selek states that if Tarinax had his flesh restored he could be the savior of dragonkind but i'm wondering if thats true or not. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That droag (Arbiter Selek) speaks Draconic... not Death's Whisper :smileywink:</P> <P>There's certainly no immediate relationship between Deathtoll the zone, and Ethernere/Deathtoll Bell Tower. Aaryonar (and I think Turadramin) both speak of their journeys in Ethernere. Aaryonar states that he was pulled back into this world by Kerafyrm, so I assume the Sleeper is powerful enough to do that. However, Deathtoll and Ethernere are not closely related.</P> <P>PS - I think it was Nagafen who states that Tarinax would bring justice to the Awakened if his body were reunited with his soul.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Nope it is Turadrim that says that if Tarinax's soul were restored to his undead body he would bring justice. </DIV> <DIV>Here is an exerpt from my lore log screenshots I have, take a look at the sentence I have marked inbetween the two white dots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9853/lore2zm2.jpg"><BR></DIV> <DIV>Turadramin believes in his/her heart of hearts that Tarinax could be the savior of the draconic kind but I am wondering just how powerful Tarinax was.  If his soul were restored to his body would he be a match for Kerafyrm who is the all powerful Prismatic?</DIV>