Soul or Spirit?

[Harob]

Which goes to the Ethernere at death, eventually to be reincarnated or to go into the realm of one of the gods?<div></div>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">This is a my opinion. Spirit is a person's life energy, personality and intelligence, while the Soul a person's Agency. basicly a Spirit with all the options. <span>:smileywink:</span> </font></font></font><div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

In <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=7204&query.id=53879#M7204" target=_blank>this</a> post, Vhalen talks about spirit and soul going to Ethernere.  <div></div>

[Harob]

So, according to Vhalen, is there no distinction between the two? Or are spirits the ones in the afterlife, and souls the ones that escape back to Norrath, or what?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>According to Vhalen, What we know about Death in Everquest and Norrath is only the one inch of an iceberg 500 miles long. :/</DIV>

[ke'la]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to Vhalen, What we know about Death in Everquest and Norrath is only the one inch of an iceberg 500 miles long. :/</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sounds alot like RL too me. :smileywink: as it should be.

[Harob]

<div><blockquote><hr>ke'la wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div>According to Vhalen, What we know about Death in Everquest and Norrath is only the one inch of an iceberg 500 miles long. :/</div> <hr> </blockquote>Sounds alot like RL too me. :smileywink: as it should be.<hr></blockquote>We have gods that are going to be communicating with us again and have in the past. We have shamans who are in contact with the spirits. We have that Zebuxoruk guy. I, personally, don't feel as if it should be that way. Then again, I'm itching for afterlife lore moreso than anything. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(And it doesn't sound too much like RL to me....)</div>

[Vhalen]

<P>Death is but a doorway in this universe just as it is in many others. Ethernere is in a sense, an anteroom or vestibule to the realms of the afterlife. Norrathian, Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc, all souls must pass through this dimension before going on or in some cases, returning. As with most dimensions, the gods have no influence here.</P> <P>In the past, I have shared information about the little known realm of Ethernere. Here in this limbo, billions of souls can be found waiting to move onward. But there are forces native to Ethernere that have a life all their own, forces that may have existed or may have sprung from the lives that pass through here. These forces have come to claim the universal vestibule as theirs. Chief among these entities is the Harrowing Horde, the guardians of Deathtoll Bell Tower. These forces manage the existence around them and often have created laws that bind souls to the Ethernere for longer than any should be. We Norrathians will all see Ethernere in our time, but will we ever escape it? Most do, but some are held back by the forces of Ethernere.</P> <P>Are the native forces of Ethernere the only obstruction that may keep a soul from passing on? No. There are powerful entities that can sometimes breach Ethernere and exist for long periods of time, unnoticed by the Harrowing Horde. These invaders come to the gray fields of Ethernere in search of notable individuals whose souls await their afterlife. Here is where such souls can be subjugated far more easily than within the realms of that afterlife.</P> <P>The subjugation of souls in Ethernere can be performed in numerous ways. The reasons for such captivity vary. The Harrowing Horde has stopped such actions where souls have been used as such things as vaults of knowledge, spiritual batteries and in some cases simply to spite the soul from a glorious afterlife. There are many reasons for soul subjugation and not even the Harrowing Horde has seen them all. Pray to your gods that your time in Ethernere is brief and without complications.</P>

[FreaklyCreak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>Death is but a doorway in this universe just as it is in many others. Ethernere is in a sense, an anteroom or vestibule to the realms of the afterlife. Norrathian, Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc, all souls must pass through this dimension before going on or in some cases, returning. As with most dimensions, the gods have no influence here.</P> <P>In the past, I have shared information about the little known realm of Ethernere. Here in this limbo, billions of souls can be found waiting to move onward. But there are forces native to Ethernere that have a life all their own, forces that may have existed or may have sprung from the lives that pass through here. These forces have come to claim the universal vestibule as theirs. Chief among these entities is the Harrowing Horde, the guardians of Deathtoll Bell Tower. These forces manage the existence around them and often have created laws that bind souls to the Ethernere for longer than any should be. We Norrathians will all see Ethernere in our time, but will we ever escape it? Most do, but some are held back by the forces of Ethernere.</P> <P>Are the native forces of Ethernere the only obstruction that may keep a soul from passing on? No. There are powerful entities that can sometimes breach Ethernere and exist for long periods of time, unnoticed by the Harrowing Horde. These invaders come to the gray fields of Ethernere in search of notable individuals whose souls await their afterlife. Here is where such souls can be subjugated far more easily than within the realms of that afterlife.</P> <P>The subjugation of souls in Ethernere can be performed in numerous ways. The reasons for such captivity vary. The Harrowing Horde has stopped such actions where <STRONG>souls have been used as such things as vaults of knowledge, spiritual batteries and in some cases simply to spite the soul from a glorious afterlife</STRONG>. There are many reasons for soul subjugation and not even the Harrowing Horde has seen them all. Pray to your gods that your time in Ethernere is brief and without complications.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ouch, sounds like the denziens of OLS tried some nasty stuff. Atleast it looks that way.

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p> ...Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc...</p></blockquote>Interesting.  These are the other planets in Norrath's solar system right?  So they have life on them.  Learn something new every day</div>

[FreaklyCreak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P> ...Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc...</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Interesting.  These are the other planets in Norrath's solar system right?  So they have life on them.  Learn something new every day<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There are named shadowed men in OLS, medium of "xx", and Cordanian sounds like it is or is very similar to one of them.</P> <P>Here are some named of droped loot...maybe they are linked to names of worlds...</P> <P>Runed Lysisian Belt</P> <P>Izaian Runed Bracelet(Not sure if i got it in OLS or not...)</P> <P>Cronian Emblem</P> <P>Dyrtian Hammered Hoop</P> <P>Norrathian Runed Ring</P> <P>Seems like names of planets to me, maybe even planes of exsistance(not like a god's plane, more like a alternate dimension)</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Powers]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p>Pray to your gods that your time in Ethernere is brief and without complications.</p><hr></blockquote>Not sure what good that will do, considering the gods have no influence there.  =)Powers  &8^]</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P> ...Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc...</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Interesting.  These are the other planets in Norrath's solar system right?  So they have life on them.  Learn something new every day<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><I>The immortals who can be spoken of are not the Eternal Immortals. Their Spoken names are not the eternal names. In the namelessness they are the beginning of heaven and earth.</I></P> <P><I>Named they are one of the ten thousand things. Though different in title they spring from one source and appear as darkness Darkness within darkness. The gate to their mystery. The immortals do not go forth. All comes to them. They are like the ocean, the king of ten thousand streams. By staying beneath they are a receptacle for all things. They do nothing. Yet are masters of the universe. Trorsmang! Be our course of action. Anbeal! Become the Vessel to hold our virtue. Drina! Be our stability, where we can take root. Cordan! Fill our vessels and calm our ambitions. Norrath! Take our husks and breathe life into them. We beseech you! Guide us in your humility. </I></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>The Immortals from the Monk Epic Quest in EQlive. The planets of Norrath's solar system. Originally thought as shown in the Plane of Sky to be 5 moons of Norrath, but that's been disproven.</P> <P>(I still think that's a typo though. Drina. Drinal? Drina? Drinal? Drina? Drinal?)</P>

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><font color="#9933cc" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">You say to Zazoo of the Black Sun Sea, "Are you from Kaladim?"</font><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font color="#9933cc"></font><font color="#9933cc">Zazoo of the Black Sun Sea says to you, "Do not speak the name of the glorious city of Kaladim! To do so would cause me to tear up and begin an endless round of grog. What has befallen the city of my kind is truly sad... sad indeed."</font><font color="#9933cc"></font><font color="#9933cc"></font><font color="#9933cc">You say to Zazoo of the Black Sun Sea, "So you have seen Kaladim?"</font><font color="#9933cc"></font><font color="#9933cc"></font><font color="#9933cc">Zazoo of the Black Sun Sea says to you, "Aye! I have seen Kaladim in this age. My hunt brought me to those halls. I chased the <b><u>Hounds of Ethernere</u></b> up from the depths of Norrath only to find the city in ruin."</font></font></p><hr size="2" width="100%"><p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font color="#9933cc"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ffffff">So any guess why the Hounds of Ethernere would be in the depths of Norrath</font><font color="#9933cc"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ffffff">, </font><font color="#9933cc"><font color="#ffffff">especially near the halls of Kaladim? If they are suppose to exist in this limbo, then why are they out and about in the underfoot in Norrath?</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></p><div></div><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:41 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P>The context of the message says Hounds of Ethernere, which leads me to believe is a certain faction of creatures, and not actually creatures from the Ethernere.</P>

[Cercs]

<div></div>Yet more ways to properly RP my character! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thanks Vhalen!<div></div><p>Message Edited by Cercsij on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 PM</span>

[Desdichada]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>The context of the message says Hounds of Ethernere, which leads me to believe is a certain faction of creatures, and not actually creatures from the Ethernere.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Could that be another reference to what Zeb is talking about, when he mentions the throne of Brell?

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <p>The context of the message says Hounds of Ethernere, which leads me to believe is a certain faction of creatures, and not actually creatures from the Ethernere.</p><hr></blockquote><font face="Comic Sans MS">Yes, I considered that as well. But if it goes that way, then its just another can of worms unrelated to the subject.</font><div></div><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:43 PM</span>

[Rensor]

Wouldn't the Ethernere make for an interesting Expansion or AP?  Or maybe just a one-shot Halloween event zone... If a player has a starting quest in their journal, they'll have the option to zone into the Ethernere on their respawn list the next time they suffer a death.  Once there, you can join with others in the afterlife to take on some sort of nasty, soul-sucking beasties bent on the domination of limbo!  They could use the arena champions framework to create characters with an alternate set of abilities for fighting and interacting in the afterlife.  Maybe make it a timed zone...give people a slow burning meter that determines how long they can maintain their spiritual manifestation in this dimension before being thrust back into the world of the living? There are all sorts of neat things you could do with it.  Problem is, it would seem kinda silly if you were able to bring any loot back.  Maybe allow this alternate afterlife "champion" to persist in the Ethernere, so you can build up it's abilities on the other side.  Once you get powerful enough there, THEN you can start having some abilities carry over to your living self.  It could be a new way of doing the whole AA thing once we're maxed out with the current system and EoF worship system.  I'd kinda like to play a character with "second sight" and abilities from beyond the grave... Or, I could just roll a necro...or a shadowknight...or a shaman... <div></div>