The Shadow of Fear, the Light of Valor

[Blackguard]

<div></div>Some new lore leading up to Game Update #26 for you history buffs out there:<a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/news_ff.vm?FeatureName=fearandvalor&section=development" target="_blank">The Shadow of Fear, the Light of Valor</a><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>excellent. I hope more information about the others is revealed soon afterwards. I wanna know more on the history of Master Makoto.</DIV>

[Xxile]

hmm are we gona se the portal of the plane of fear open up again...

[Ordate]

<P>I would guess other then to spew the denizens of fear out into Norrath we won't be going there to conquer any time soon.  Else the whole god leaving and coming back thing would seem kind of foolish.</P> <P>And thanks Blackguard.   I second Cusa in hoping to see more lore surrounding the prophets to be released shortly.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ordate, Devout mystic of Mike, God of Big Rocks.</P> <P>Message Edited by Ordate on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:48 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 PM</span>

[troodon]

Cool

[Terrak]

Ahh, the abductor...  He shall pay dearly when his forked tongue is visible to Faydark's Champions...<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

What's interesting about Danak is that he's the only one of the prophets who was alive during EQlive; and not only that, but was also a pretty big figure in the storyline. I have to admit to being curious as to why the devs decided to bring him back into the game when all the others are unique characters to EQ2

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR>What's interesting about Danak is that he's the only one of the prophets who was alive during EQlive; and not only that, but was also a pretty big figure in the storyline. I have to admit to being curious as to why the devs decided to bring him back into the game when all the others are unique characters to EQ2<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually, if you talk to Tunare's prophet in Elddar Grove, she tells you that she was well alive way back before 500 years ago. She saw everything that happened way back then.

[Mirander_1]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:What's interesting about Danak is that he's the only one of the prophets who was alive during EQlive; and not only that, but was also a pretty big figure in the storyline. I have to admit to being curious as to why the devs decided to bring him back into the game when all the others are unique characters to EQ2<hr></blockquote>Actually, if you talk to Tunare's prophet in Elddar Grove, she tells you that she was well alive way back before 500 years ago. She saw everything that happened way back then.<hr></blockquote>True, but she wasn't actually in game. I did a search for her on Allakhazam and couldn't find anything. So, even though her story says she was alive back then, she was created purely for EQ2

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah but Danak himself was a GM character, so technically he wasn't part of the game either since he was only a temporary story character who showed up like... 3 times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also: thanks for saving me a little work. I was just about to go look and see if she was in EQlive anywhere just for curiosity sake.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:12 PM</span>

[DreamerClou]

Danak's story also involves that trollup Firona Vie.  I wonder what has become of her...Hopefully turned into fertillizer for the Dark Elf veggie gardens when they ransacked Felwithe!  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[kajirala]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3>i want to go and meet tunare in the plain of growth and actually hail her for the first time ever.</FONT></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by kajirala on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:41 PM</span>

[TheGeneral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>NVM.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by TheGeneral on <span class=date_text>08-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:22 AM</span>

[Terrak]

<div><blockquote><hr>DreamerCloud9 wrote:<div></div>Danak's story also involves that trollup Firona Vie.  I wonder what has become of her...Hopefully turned into fertillizer for the Dark Elf veggie gardens when they ransacked Felwithe!  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Your kind shall pay for that comment and every other foul thing that you did to my forest, my kind, and my soul...</div>

[ganng]

<P>Anyone know if it considered bad form to talk about some of the things concerning this topic I have seen on th etest server?</P> <P>I had a little fun with my lv 8 zerker and saw some things that seemed odd at first then after reading the post by Blackguard seemed really odd.</P>

[Findara]

I am not a huge fan of lore, but that one was kinda cool, good write<div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blackguard wrote:<BR> Some new lore leading up to Game Update #26 for you history buffs out there:<BR><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/news_ff.vm?FeatureName=fearandvalor&section=development" target=_blank>The Shadow of Fear, the Light of Valor</A><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very interesting I must say however about Sir Bauldron serving in the order of marr.  I'm wondering if our little lore about the Cavalier Story is starting to unfold taking a greater meaning right now.  In there it is said two statues exist within Qeynos and I wonder if they will serve a great purpose when Echoes of Faydwere comes out.  I could even go so far as to ask if each diety will have an iconic statue we can seek out within a particular area that we worship at?

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blackguard wrote:<BR> Some new lore leading up to Game Update #26 for you history buffs out there:<BR><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/news_ff.vm?FeatureName=fearandvalor&section=development" target=_blank>The Shadow of Fear, the Light of Valor</A><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very interesting I must say however about Sir Bauldron serving in the order of marr.  I'm wondering if our little lore about the Cavalier Story is starting to unfold taking a greater meaning right now.  In there it is said two statues exist within Qeynos and I wonder if they will serve a great purpose when Echoes of Faydwere comes out.  I could even go so far as to ask if each diety will have an iconic statue we can seek out within a particular area that we worship at?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Interesting theory, but so far in the game, there's actually been made no mention whatsoever that the gods comming back will be directly related to rediscovering Feydwer.</P> <P>Come to think of it, there isn't any evidence or rumors in the game yet that indicates to the people of Norrath that Feydwer is going to be rediscovered, but we still have 4 months before it comes out anyway, so there's plenty of time for all that to happen.</P>

[Ama]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blackguard wrote:<BR> Some new lore leading up to Game Update #26 for you history buffs out there:<BR><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/news_ff.vm?FeatureName=fearandvalor&section=development" target=_blank>The Shadow of Fear, the Light of Valor</A><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very interesting I must say however about Sir Bauldron serving in the order of marr.  I'm wondering if our little lore about the Cavalier Story is starting to unfold taking a greater meaning right now.  In there it is said two statues exist within Qeynos and I wonder if they will serve a great purpose when Echoes of Faydwere comes out.  I could even go so far as to ask if each diety will have an iconic statue we can seek out within a particular area that we worship at?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Interesting theory, but so far in the game, there's actually been made no mention whatsoever that the gods comming back will be directly related to rediscovering Feydwer.</P> <P>Come to think of it, there isn't any evidence or rumors in the game yet that indicates to the people of Norrath that Feydwer is going to be rediscovered, but we still have 4 months before it comes out anyway, so there's plenty of time for all that to happen.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Actually what i'm hoping for is a huge week long live event when they prepare to release Feydwer *or Faydwere however its spelled*.  Basically in that live event the offending race would attack either Qeynos or Freeport, gnolls for Qeynos and orcs for Freeport.  It would all culminate to you discovering a boss leading the respective races and upon defeating him you would hear a little quirp he makes.  That quirp would be "NOO! we must conquer this city so we can prepare for the invasion upon the land of Feydwer" or atleast something like that. :smileywink:<BR></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I can see the orcs saying that, but the gnolls have never taken interest in Feydwer.</DIV>

[kajirala]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc00ff>When will Tunare's prophet have a quest for us? I want to do some quests.</FONT><p>Message Edited by kajirala on <span class=date_text>08-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:01 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

Well, Faydwer comes out in November, right? That leaves time for a few more Live Updates. They'll probably have the quests introduced in pairs until the expansion comes out, or until the Live Event for discovering Faydwer starts

[Evilcow]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kajirala wrote:<BR> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc00ff>When will Tunare's prophet have a quest for us? I want to do some quests.</FONT> <P>Message Edited by kajirala on <SPAN class=date_text>08-05-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:01 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i can't see tunares quest comeing out untill faydewer does sadly i just always thought of faydewer as tunares choosen land :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Gargamel]

<IMG src="http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5102/eq2000077ry5.jpg">

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I'm sorry, but why did you post that?</DIV>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gargamel wrote:<BR> <IMG src="http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5102/eq2000077ry5.jpg"><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Is that a portal TO somewhere or FROM somewhere, or both?  I thought the portal to Fear was in an instance.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its a portal FROM the Plane of Fear, but I hope it never changes into a portal TO the Plane of Fear.</DIV>

[firemonkey5]

<DIV>Anyone have the Danak convos available.</DIV>

[Kendricke]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<DIV>Yeah but Danak himself was a GM character, so technically he wasn't part of the game either since he was only a temporary <b>story character who showed up like... 3 times</b>.</DIV><hr></blockquote>If we're getting "technical", then anyone who "showed up...3 times" in the game was technically "in the game", right?That is, if we're getting "technical".

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Its a portal FROM the Plane of Fear, but I hope it never changes into a portal TO the Plane of Fear.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>why not make it a portal TO the plane of fear just make any gods that appear in the game level 200 ^^^ epic x4 no one will ever kill them :smileytongue:

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Its a portal FROM the Plane of Fear, but I hope it never changes into a portal TO the Plane of Fear.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>why not make it a portal TO the plane of fear just make any gods that appear in the game level 200 ^^^ epic x4 no one will ever kill them :smileytongue:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because they'd have to make them level 220+++ epic x4 so nobody could ever stand a chance of killing them. The game's mechanics allow for players to reach level 200.

[Mjollnyr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Its a portal FROM the Plane of Fear, but I hope it never changes into a portal TO the Plane of Fear.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>why not make it a portal TO the plane of fear just make any gods that appear in the game level 200 ^^^ epic x4 no one will ever kill them :smileytongue:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because they'd have to make them level 220+++ epic x4 so nobody could ever stand a chance of killing them. The game's mechanics allow for players to reach level 200.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That quote about the game going to level 200 was never entirely serious.  But with the tiering system it is <EM>possible</EM> for the game to go to 200.  If the game can go to 200, i don't see why it couldn't potentially reach level 300.</P> <P>I recall hearing in an online interview about the level 200 quote being more or less an exaggeration to express how the tiering system would enable a certain amount of freedom.  I dont have a link for where i heard that though. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>An easier solution to introducing the gods and leave them unkillable, just make them NPC's.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<P>Well I agree with you either way. I just never want the gods to become killable again, but part of me just never wants to go back to the planes anyway unless it's under a very certain condition... like a quest or something to help out your god by giving you a chance to locate a problem within thier own realm that they need the help of a mortal to get rid of or something.</P> <P> </P> <P>just an example.</P>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>Well I agree with you either way. I just never want the gods to become killable again, but part of me just never wants to go back to the planes anyway unless it's under a very certain condition... like a quest or something to help out your god by giving you a chance to locate a problem within thier own realm that they need the help of a mortal to get rid of or something.</P> <P> </P> <P>just an example.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>well i would like gods to be attackable but not killable like naggy if someone was stupid enough to run in the plane of growth as an ogre sk who follow CT deserves to be killed for their mistake :smileytongue:

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Besides, there's still at least 70% of Norrath to rediscover, and I'd like to see that first over the next 4 years.</DIV>

[Hukklebuk]

ahh more reading material...  thanks BG.<div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Besides, there's still at least 70% of Norrath to rediscover, and I'd like to see that first over the next 4 years.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>But Cusashorn one thing you must admit is the gods right now are potentially needed in a sense.  Lore wise we have lived without the gods and with people like Lucan rising to power spitting in the god's face you may say people like him need a bit of a smack down. </P> <P>As for the Lucan comment I say "Spitting in the god's face" because he is taking credit or trying to take credit for stuff that maybe a god's will like the sudden growth near the once possibly dormant drudic circle. :smileywink:</P>

[eyes007]

<DIV> <P>You guys are forgetting, this isn't EQ1 500 years into the future, this is an alternate EQ1 500 years into the future where the races lost their "war" with the Gods and were punished for their arrogance and disrespect by 100 years of cataclysm so the place will be much changed. EQ1 is traveling at almost the same speed now as EQ2, except they are only just now reaping the curses of taking power away from the gods in the new expansion (Prophecy of Ro). Basically the differences between the two games are very much evident, the gods are ready to return to EQ2 and things are getting better, more of the old lands are being rediscovered, while in EQ1, after plundering the planes and killing one or two of the gods, disaster has struck and the world is in danger of a deadly "disease" in the form of a madness that threatens to envelop the world! In other words, we don't know whats gonna happen. I think Cusha is right, the Gods shoudn't be attackable, which is probably why the devs created the avatars which we haven't really seen yet.</P> <P>Read the Tome of Destiny again, basically the Gods have kept us off our feet for 150 years, and in the pursuit of power men, elves, trolls or whatever have been fighting each other since then. If you focus on the splintering factions of the Gods and their proctecting of their own "interests", it looks like we're gonna see the Gods playing their subjects off one another again. The Avatars of the Gods however will be interesting, I'd like to see how they are being used.</P> <P>I don't think we are seeing the return of the gods for our own sake, I think they are making their return for their own reasons, what those are I couldn't guess (I love getting into a story lol). Also, about Lucan....I think we shouldn't take his arrogance as a sign of his sign of defiance to the Gods. Look at the nature of Cazic Thule and his allies, it's all about using tools to get what they desire. The Avatar of War was slain by the Avatar of Tranquility if I recall, and what did he drop? Soulfire, what happened to it, Lucan picked it up and proceeded slaughtering the forces that were once trying to protect Freeport. The sword has changed him and who knows, maybe Lucan is the new Avatar of War, so expect to see him embroiled in all this.</P></DIV>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eyes007 wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>You guys are forgetting, this isn't EQ1 500 years into the future, this is an alternate EQ1 500 years into the future where the races lost their "war" with the Gods and were punished for their arrogance and disrespect by 100 years of cataclysm so the place will be much changed. EQ1 is traveling at almost the same speed now as EQ2, except they are only just now reaping the curses of taking power away from the gods in the new expansion (Prophecy of Ro). Basically the differences between the two games are very much evident, the gods are ready to return to EQ2 and things are getting better, more of the old lands are being rediscovered, while in EQ1, after plundering the planes and killing one or two of the gods, disaster has struck and the world is in danger of a deadly "disease" in the form of a madness that threatens to envelop the world! In other words, we don't know whats gonna happen. I think Cusha is right, the Gods shoudn't be attackable, which is probably why the devs created the avatars which we haven't really seen yet.</P> <P>Read the Tome of Destiny again, basically the Gods have kept us off our feet for 150 years, and in the pursuit of power men, elves, trolls or whatever have been fighting each other since then. If you focus on the splintering factions of the Gods and their proctecting of their own "interests", it looks like we're gonna see the Gods playing their subjects off one another again. The Avatars of the Gods however will be interesting, I'd like to see how they are being used.</P> <P>I don't think we are seeing the return of the gods for our own sake, I think they are making their return for their own reasons, what those are I couldn't guess (I love getting into a story lol). Also, about Lucan....I think we shouldn't take his arrogance as a sign of his sign of defiance to the Gods. Look at the nature of Cazic Thule and his allies, it's all about using tools to get what they desire. The Avatar of War was slain by the Avatar of Tranquility if I recall, and what did he drop? Soulfire, what happened to it, Lucan picked it up and proceeded slaughtering the forces that were once trying to protect Freeport. The sword has changed him and who knows, maybe Lucan is the new Avatar of War, so expect to see him embroiled in all this.</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have to agree that the gods are returning by their own accord however each god has different pursuits.  Some gods are returning because they genuinly care for us mortals and here maybe some proof from the tome of destiny.</P> <P>*Tome of Destiny quote*</P> <P>The gods began to leave the chambers, but Quellious lingered. She noticed as Rallos approached Cazic-Thule and began to whisper something to him, and watched as Solusek Ro did the same to Brell.<BR><BR>Tunare stood next to her. "Is this really the only way?"<BR><BR>"I believe it is," Quellious responded softly. "But I think we need to remain watchful, as not everyone may honor the intent of this pact."<BR><BR>Karana approached the two goddesses. "I have some trepidation in this matter, and I'd wager you feel the same."<BR><BR>"I do," replied Quellious. "But I have another proposal to share with the two of you to ensure our interests are preserved."<BR>*end quote*</P> <P>However as stated some of the gods maybe ticked at us mortals for some reason or another leaving us to die at the hands of each other or possibly by the hands of themselves aka minions.</P> <P>*Tome of Destiny Quote*</P> <P>As the three gods left the council chamber together, Rallos Zek eyed them loathingly. He muttered to himself. "So, Quellious, you have your allies and I have mine. But your weakness will be your downfall. Let the endgame begin."</P> <P>*End Quote*</P> <P>What is this End Game of which Rallos Zek mutters to himself? Are some of the gods planing a full scale "extermination" plan to eradicate us mortals or is there something more going on here that we arn't seeing?</P> <P> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Amana wrote:</P> <P>What is this End Game of which Rallos Zek mutters to himself? Are some of the gods planing a full scale "extermination" plan to eradicate us mortals or is there something more going on here that we arn't seeing?</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its too early to say.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Amana wrote:</P> <P>What is this End Game of which Rallos Zek mutters to himself? Are some of the gods planing a full scale "extermination" plan to eradicate us mortals or is there something more going on here that we arn't seeing?</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its too early to say.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>We'll for a little bit I thought the end game may have been our punishment with the Shattering disrupting our way of life.  However I think to some of the gods this may have been too shall we say "kind" a punishment and they really wanted to lay the smack down on us. </P> <P>I guess all things will come to fruition in the course of their events.</P>

[RaphaNissi]

I think the "endgame" has more to do with the rivalry between the gods than it has to do with us(mortals).  Some of the gods, like Rallos Zek, see us more as pawns for his own games/amusement while others, like Quellious, truely care for their creations.  RZ is talking about how they have chosen sides, their teams.   Ever since the beginning, the gods have been at battle with each other; we're just in the middle of it.<div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>I think the "endgame" has more to do with the rivalry between the gods than it has to do with us(mortals).  Some of the gods, like Rallos Zek, see us more as pawns for his own games/amusement while others, like Quellious, truely care for their creations.  RZ is talking about how they have chosen sides, their teams.   Ever since the beginning, the gods have been at battle with each other; we're just in the middle of it.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The only little interjection I want to make in there RaphaNissi is that I believe it is only the 9 gods of feeling aka fear, hate, love, valor, etc... that are probably in that war.  I think that the elemental gods that created the 9 other gods probably think it beneath them to have such pity squables. 

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Amana wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> RaphaNissi wrote:I think the "endgame" has more to do with the rivalry between the gods than it has to do with us(mortals).  Some of the gods, like Rallos Zek, see us more as pawns for his own games/amusement while others, like Quellious, truely care for their creations.  RZ is talking about how they have chosen sides, their teams.   Ever since the beginning, the gods have been at battle with each other; we're just in the middle of it. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>The only little interjection I want to make in there RaphaNissi is that I believe it is only the 9 gods of feeling aka fear, hate, love, valor, etc... that are probably in that war.  I think that the elemental gods that created the 9 other gods probably think it beneath them to have such pity squables. <hr></blockquote>Good point.  I would completely agree with that.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[arachnidor]

<DIV>Yep, I am ready to be given a quest...I always like a new story!</DIV>