The words of Zebuxurok - this is making my head hurt a bit

[Hukklebuk]

<div></div>reference : <a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=zebuxoruk" target="_blank">here</a> Paragraph 4:However, this was not all that transpired. For I beheld the fabric of time that all beings travel upon unfurled before me as a scroll of exquisite parchment. And I beheld that the parchment neatly tore in twain at that moment of the Matron's command, but <b>not as two parts of a whole but as two wholes of the same whole each containing the same words and symbols and they continued on as before, completely unaware of one another.</b> I then watched as one of the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on before me.wouldn't this set EQ2 up to not only use what lore they want from EQLive as well as to twist it to whatever end they want?  Keeping some events in both timelines, twisting some others, and not including some others at all?My personal conundrum here is that EQ2 and EQLive are separate and the same, meaning to me (not a student of time mechanics), that there is a chance that anything post PoP that happened in EQLive, could possibly happen to some degree or other in EQ2, or not at all..../scratches head....thoughts?**EDIT:  this would actually include all of the expansions that led up to PoP as well since they existed at this point I think.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by Hukklebuk on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:42 PM</span>

[Renita_Serafim]

What it is saying is that anything that happened in EQ Live after Zebuxoruk's release on the Plane of Time is potentially (or most likely) not EQ2 canon because it happened in a parralel timeline.<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV> <DIV>I've said it once.</DIV> <DIV>I've said it twice.</DIV> <DIV>I've said it three times.</DIV> <DIV>I've said it four times and I'm going to say it again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Captain Katheryne Janeway of the U.S.S. Voyager once said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>"My advice on trying to figure out how space-time paradoxes work: </FONT><FONT size=5>DONT!</FONT><FONT size=4>"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Try not to make sense of how it works. You'll save yourself from a lot of headaches trying to figure it out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Time Paradoxes and multiple universes create huge loopholes that cannot be easily explained, and it's best to just leave things to how the developers want them so you can save yourself money on Ibuprofin.</DIV></DIV>

[Eriol]

Basically, EVERYTHING that happened pre-PoP (and including it) in EQ1 happened in EQ2, and whatever after that event that they CHOOSE to make occur, also occurred in EQ2. Gives them the freedom to take good ideas from EQ1 and run with them if they make sense. For example, I THINK the LoY expansion is considered to have "happened" even though it was released AFTER PoP (correct me if I'm wrong on this one though).So your interpretation seems right from what I remember.Edit: and Cusa, if you ever want to give yourself a headache, try www.chronocompendium.com and read the articles there about the mechanics of that time-travelling universe, and the plot of Chrono Cross. it's... yikes.<p>Message Edited by Eriol on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:46 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

Basically, the devs can pick and choose what parts of post-PoP EQlive lore they want to include in EQ2. For instance, like in EQlive, the frogloks captured the city of Grobb and renamed it Gukta, but EQ2 breaks with EQlive in that the trolls never retook the city. Also, at least some part of the whole gate to Discord story did happen in EQ2's lore, it's mentioned in the Tome of Destiny.

[Nocturnal Aby]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hukklebuk wrote:<BR> reference : <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=zebuxoruk" target=_blank>here</A><BR><BR>wouldn't this set EQ2 up to not only use what lore they want from EQLive as well as to twist it to whatever end they want?  Keeping some events in both timelines, twisting some others, and not including some others at all?<BR><BR>My personal conundrum here is that EQ2 and EQLive are separate and the same, meaning to me (not a student of time mechanics), that there is a chance that anything post PoP that happened in EQLive, could possibly happen to some degree or other in EQ2, or not at all....<BR><BR>/scratches head....<BR><BR>thoughts?<BR><BR><BR>**EDIT:  this would actually include all of the expansions that led up to PoP as well since they existed at this point I think. <BR> <P>Message Edited by Hukklebuk on <SPAN class=date_text>08-03-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>03:42 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>Yes! Yes! Yes!  GODS YES!!!</P> <P>*coughs* Err, sorry</P> <P>But THANK YOU!! Every time this argument comes up (such as with Mayong, and Tealosia(sp?)  This is what I say!!!!  The EQ2 devs skillfully designed a means in which they are absolutely independent from what the EQ devs do now, and yet are free to incorporate whatever they wish from EQ into EQ2, and still able to tweak it any way they wish!!!  This includes, but is not limited to, Depths of Darkhollow, Legacy of Ykesha, Gates of Discord, Prophecy of Ro (or whatever the new one is called), the Dragon one, which ultimately means.....</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff66 size=5>WE KNOW NO LORE ABSOLUTES UNTIL IT IS REVEALED TO US IN GAME OR HERE ON THE FORUMS BY A DEV!!!!!</FONT></STRONG></P> <P>*sets up broken record before falling down from exhasperation*</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eriol wrote:<BR>Basically, EVERYTHING that happened pre-PoP (and including it) in EQ1 happened in EQ2, and whatever after that event that they CHOOSE to make occur, also occurred in EQ2. Gives them the freedom to take good ideas from EQ1 and run with them if they make sense. For example, I THINK the LoY expansion is considered to have "happened" even though it was released AFTER PoP (correct me if I'm wrong on this one though).<BR><BR>So your interpretation seems right from what I remember.<BR><BR>Edit: and Cusa, if you ever want to give yourself a headache, try www.chronocompendium.com and read the articles there about the mechanics of that time-travelling universe, and the plot of Chrono Cross. it's... yikes. <P>Message Edited by Eriol on <SPAN class=date_text>08-03-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:46 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You are correct.  All the events that happened up untill July of 2004 when the first guilds finally beat the Plane of Time are part of EQ2. This makes the existance of Gukta valid since Legacy of Ykesha happened.</P> <P>As for Chrono Cross, the story was never that good anyway.</P>

[SharpeRif]

Actually in all that was said I only found one thing of interest really....the devs apparently took the time to spell out that they caused the two timelines to be non-temporally synchronous to each other(i.e. they paused one).....I wonder why they did that

[FreaklyCreak]

<P>From what I understand about the multi-verse theory is that with each given event there is a diffrent universe created.</P> <P>You wake up and a robber comes in your home and kills you on sight.</P> <P>"                                                                           " and you kill the robber.</P> <P>There are thousands of diffrent senarios and diffrent ways things could happen. With each path we take or don't take we create a new universe of choice. They are ever growing, ever expanding and like cussahorn said, trying to figure it out is just a headache.</P> <P>The simple task of writing this just opened up a couple universes...</P> <P>It makes no sence, it makes perfect sence. >.< It even confuses me.</P>

[Ordate]

<P>I'm begining to think that anyone that wishes to contemplate the time line on these forums should first read Schrodinger's Cat or some other such novel.  Or for the really hard core read the actual theories surrounding such.  Until such time they actually understand their chosen reading material.  This would ensure their brains are in the proper state of mush in which knowledge of this nature would be easier to implant as that person would already be clinically insane.</P> <P>PS:  If someone sees this and thinks hey Ill run out and buy Schrodinger's Cat, be forewarned that not only is it confusing because of the space time paradox but also it is a political commentary with mature themes and twisted sense of humor.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ordate, Devout mystic of Mike, God of Big Rocks.</P><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:23 PM</span>

[galacticdu]

<FONT size=6>Some one call Steven Hawking!</FONT><p>Message Edited by galacticdude on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:32 AM</span>

[SharpeRif]

<P>heh to sum up..</P> <P> </P> <P><U>THINGS WE KNOW</U></P> <P>1.There are now two alternate timelines..separating at the first guilds defeat of the Plane of Time.</P> <P>2.One universe was paused for some reason.</P> <P>3.Since no paradox has yet been presented..(that I have seen)....Captain Janeway's advice can be cheerfully disregarded.:smileywink:</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SharpeRifle wrote:<BR> <P>heh to sum up..</P> <P> </P> <P><U>THINGS WE KNOW</U></P> <P>1.There are now two alternate timelines..separating at the first guilds defeat of the Plane of Time.</P> <P>2.One universe was paused for some reason.</P> <P>3.Since no paradox has yet been presented..(that I have seen)....Captain Janeway's advice can be cheerfully disregarded.:smileywink:</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If it still gives you a headache trying to figure it out, then you should still take her advice.

[Ordate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SharpeRifle wrote:<BR> <P>2.One universe was paused for some reason.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just a minor clarification one universe was paused for a brief time while it curled in upon itself prior to it continuing on.  It isn't still paused.  I know slight difference but important as we would have a universe full of people vogueing.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ordate, Devout mystic of Mike, God of Big Rocks.</P>

[SharpeRif]

<P>Ahhh...but paradoxes by there very nature can't be figured out...which is why one shouldn't spend time on them....now things that can be figured out...like how the time-split works....should be figured out in spite of headaches....no pain no gain...</P> <P> </P> <P>Edited to add:Good Catch there Ordate...I hadn't realised that the way I wrote it implied it was still paused...which is of course not the case...thank you.</P><p>Message Edited by SharpeRifle on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:46 PM</span>