Troll Monk?

[Harob]

I feel that being my character, a Troll Monk, I am making a mockery of the lore itself. It's what felt "right", but I've always hated seeing troll wizards and ogre monks and the like. And here I am one. I am trying to explain it as this:Trolls are strong. Monks need to be strong. They believe in the philosophy of mind over body, and as a Troll raised in a non-troll society, he has become intellectual and philosophical. With this philosophy and his natural muscular strength, I can get it to mildly fit in and be "normal".With my role-playing background, and to a degree my race/class combonation, I feel as if I am stomping on the lore. I mean, an intellectual troll monk? Come on!I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place: being what I want to be and feeling bad about it, or being what I don't want to be and feeling good about it... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You're stomping on the lore just by being anything other than a Human or Iksar monk anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Monk class used to be Human Race only untill Ruins of Kunark came out and opened it up to Iksar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now there's nothing wrong with saying that a Troll can't be a monk if he wants to be, but trolls *ARE* intellectually limited. Even if you properly teach them, they still have thier natural-born limitations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All monks strive to achieve inner peace and tranquility. The ability to ascend beyond mental and physical limitations. Having poor intellegence can be both a disadvantage and a reward at the same time. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> At least you'll always keep a clear head, even if you don't understand the greater machinations of thought.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Monks don't value strength as the most important thing. That's bruisers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The monk philosophy is to be strong without NEEDING to be strong. Finding ways to overpower an opponent when you know you're at a physical disadvantage.</DIV>

[Harob]

Great. Now I feel as if I can't play my one class I've found to suit me, because I hate SOGA and I'm not an iksar fan.I curse SOGA. I'd love to play a high elf or some such, but I can't stand the thought of others seeing me as SOGA.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harobel wrote:<BR>Great. Now I feel as if I can't play my one class I've found to suit me, because I hate SOGA and I'm not an iksar fan.<BR><BR>I curse SOGA. I'd love to play a high elf or some such, but I can't stand the thought of others seeing me as SOGA.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>SOGA models don't work that way. If other people have thier SOGA models turned on, they're going to see you with the SOGA model. If you have them turned on or off, then only you will see them, regardless of what other people have thier settings to.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Besides, just play what you think is right. Your character's lore and history is for his own to create. It's not set in stone by the past or anything.</P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:30 PM</span>

[Harob]

I know. But what I'm saying is that I know a good portion of people will see me as SOGA model, no matter how much I don't want them to.<div></div>

[Harob]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Besides, just play what you think is right. Your character's lore and history is for his own to create. It's not set in stone by the past or anything.</p><hr></blockquote>/agreed.However, there are some combonations that I feel I would be making a mockery of the lore of. Examples are Troll Wizards and Monks, High Elf SKs, and the like.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harobel wrote:<BR>I know. But what I'm saying is that I know a good portion of people will see me as SOGA model, no matter how much I don't want them to.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why does that bother you? I don't care for the SOGA models other than the Ogres. The models weren't designed to be "Better" than regular models. They were designed to target the Korean market.

[Harob]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Harobel wrote:I know. But what I'm saying is that I know a good portion of people will see me as SOGA model, no matter how much I don't want them to. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Why does that bother you? I don't care for the SOGA models other than the Ogres. The models weren't designed to be "Better" than regular models. They were designed to target the Korean market.<hr></blockquote>Because that isn't how my character is supposed to be viewed, and it completely alters the look of my character. Many people use them to some degree, and knowing that others can see me in a way that my character just simply doesn't look like irks me.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You really do have image problems with how others think of you, don't you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sorry, but I can't help you any more other than telling you that people honestly arn't going to care what you look like, because they've already seen and judged others first.</DIV>

[Xxile]

Cus is right weather u got soga on or off if u want the good stuff ur still probly gona look stupid.

[Evilcow]

<DIV>whats wrong with a troll monk...i play a gnome monk and i am thinking about makeing a background for my him that involves him being alive as a newborn when the timeline split and he was left at qeynos after his parents had died in the shattering its not the best story but i got one :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <DIV>whats wrong with a troll monk...i play a gnome monk and i am thinking about makeing a background for my him that involves him being alive as a newborn when the timeline split and he was left at qeynos after his parents had died in the shattering its not the best story but i got one :smileytongue:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A gnome Monk is a crime against nature. Besides. The shattering happened 15 years ago. The time split happened 500 years ago, so you'd be the rife old age of ELDERLY by the time it happened. :p

[Xxile]

sounds to me like some ones been reading too many WTFcomics=P

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <DIV>whats wrong with a troll monk...i play a gnome monk and i am thinking about makeing a background for my him that involves him being alive as a newborn when the timeline split and he was left at qeynos after his parents had died in the shattering its not the best story but i got one :smileytongue:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A gnome Monk is a crime against nature. Besides. The shattering happened 15 years ago. The time split happened 500 years ago, so you'd be the rife old age of ELDERLY by the time it happened. :p<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>shh don't tell anyone<BR>

[Carodor]

My suggestion would be to think up your own lore in a very creative way.  Possibly something along the lines of your brain being enchanted by something or you've been touched by Quellious for some purpose (long stretch there).  Maybe even you aren't really a troll, but you've been cursed...  be creative and you'll make it fit for sure.<div></div>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Both sets of models need a major revamp but to me the soga ones are less ugly. I see nothing wrong with a Troll Monk, not post-shattering.  Just because a troll <b>MIGHT</b> be intellectually limited, doesn't mean a troll has to settle for it. Humans try to better themselves all of the time, why not trolls. </font></font></font><div></div>

[KniteShayd]

<P>I'd like to see more ogre casters.</P> <P>Before 'The Curse', ogres were very adept at magic.  'The Curse' brought about the end to this craft for them though.  But now that it is lifted they can once again be justifiably RP'd.</P>

[vikingthug]

<DIV><EM><FONT color=#66ff00>Ok, the majority of this is for the OP...1. Why are you limiting yourself by how others may or may not view you?  Its your toon, you play it.  Does it really matter that much what others may think?  Are you so wrapped around the axle with the role playing lore junk that you feel bad by making a different toon? IMHO thats the problem with role players, exspecially those who demand others follow the "official" lore time line.  If it matters that much to you, then fine, stick to your rp community, and get used to looking over your shoulder wondering what the other rp lunatics are secretly thinking about your race/class choice.  I know if sounds harsh, but in my own direct way, Im just saying that you would probably be better severed by playing the game by your own standards, making your own choices, and not caring what others think.  After all, at the end of the day, your still just a guy or girl behind a screen, and its your 15 bucks!</FONT></EM></DIV>

[Troubor]

<P>Well, a troll is intelectually challenged yes...but who's to say that he doesn't have a simple philsophy and common sense that another monk saw, and decided to take on as a challenge to train this unusually wise if not bright troll to be a monk?</P> <P>Okay, obviously this is far from a fantasy example, let alone one of an agressive race like a troll, but take the character of Forrest Gump.  IQ of 75...yet IMO his character showed a lot of common sense and even wisdom in many ways, at least when he didn't do something clueless like let's say jumping off of his fishing boat to swim to a dock while it's still running.  An example of someone who isn't intelectually bright, at least borderline [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in fact, but in many situations wise.</P> <P>Anyway, it might 100% break lore to be a troll monk...but have fun with it.  You're not going to be the first troll monk in game, and well..who knows, maybe the idea of a troll monk in EQ2 will be official lore in a possible EQ3, or Everquest product made for a different game system other then a PC.</P> <P>Otherwise..yes, it's nice to RP, and nice to some degree to follow the lore..but remember, it's a game and you're character.  As long as your playstyle or character isn't hurting someone else's fun, have fun.  <smiles></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Ragepowers]

<DIV>Hahaha</DIV>

[HeiligHangranate]

One principle of genetics is that the variation within a group is generally far greater than the differences between groups. Another way of saying that is that the smartest troll is probably a lot smarter than the stupidest human (or iksar). Now, the stupidest human might have a difficult time getting a monk master to take him as a pupil, but it doesn't seem too difficult a stretch to believe that somewhere there's a monk master who would take a sufficiently intelligent troll as a student, especially after the Shattering disrupted everything (and seeing how the humans in Freeport have turned everything so evil). As a previous poster pointed out, make your own lore. Players who like lore will accept it, and players who don't like lore won't care.(By the way, I have an ogre bruiser. I love to play him.)<p>Message Edited by HeiligHangranate on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 PM</span>

[KeandraD]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:A gnome Monk is a crime against nature. <hr></blockquote>Hehe, I love playing my female halfling bruiser <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> When people look strange at me, I'm smiling within <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It's nice to be different sometimes, and to the OP, as others have said, keep playing your troll monk, and make up some fun background story <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </div><p>Message Edited by KeandraD on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 AM</span>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Troll int casters, High Elf baddies:</P> <P>Trolls..It all depends on the way you spin it.  I see most troll mages as innate talents.  They don't know the science of what they are doing, as almost every other race would.  They have a gift.  They want something to happen, and they do it without knowing how.  And I think even the smartest troll would be a stupid human.</P> <P>Ogres...ogres can be freaking geniuses now, so please don't that be a limitation.  Before the curse, their mages opened up portals to realms even the elves hadn't gone to.  They are highly intelligient, but the way they think is simply different.  I tend to see ogres as very mechanically minded, and very practical.  Where elves and erudites are philosophical, ogres are pragmatic.  This doesn't make them any less intelligient, it makes them dangerous.  Elves worry about not creating a spell because of the ethics that are involved.  Ogres will do whatever takes them one step closer to their goal; victory by any means necessary.  The new ogres are cold, calculating, and brutal.  Look out baby, they're back!</P> <P>Evil good races..I confess, for sometime now, I've REALLY wanted to make a Koada'Dal Shadow Knight, but have lacked the space to make one.  Besides that, most of the guilds I get into have way too many sks anyways.  You can easily have an evil goody rp-wise, if you do it right.  It's fairly easy.  Have a tragedy happen.  Family, loved on dies, if they are old enough, it could easily be something as simple as they were a paladin who's deity stripped them of their powers and went silent on em.  That could be enough to send someone who is super zealous in their faith, over to the dark side...</P> <P>  "He still remembers that day as clearly as if it was happening right before him.  It felt like his soul was ripped from his being.  His divine powers as a paladin wrenched from him as Tunare's voice ceased to call him.  For years he wondered the planet, a broken shell of the elf he once was.  For centuries upon end, he tried to wrap his mind over what had happened.  Why the benevolent goddess to whom he had devoted his life to would simply desert him!  Why had she abandoned him when there was still so much work to be done?  Had he done something wrong?  Surely not!  Could what the Teir'Dal claim be true?  Could Tunare have simply used him at whim, and tossed him aside when she was bored with him?  No, that couldn't be...but then what?  What other choice is there?  That bi***!  This is how she rewards her faithful?  By leaving them to the wind, to be tossed about, all but powerless?  To leave her children to be defenseless against the assaults of the dark ones?  Where was she in their hour of need!  Abandonment!  Yet the dark ones are still strong!  They sweep over our shores and burn our homes!  Was she afraid?  Could she not withstand the might of our enemies?  I will not serve a goddess who is unworthy!  I will fight for what is strong enough to survive!  I shall make all who claim to do her will pay!  I will make her tears flood the earth as I cut her children down one by one!  I will no longer be praised for my mercy, but feared for the death that cries out in my wake!  My brothren will hear my name and tremble!  They will learn that she has abandoned them too!  That in our hour of need, she left us to die at the hands of the [Removed for Content] children of the Dark Prince!  All shall fear me!  All will no my Lord and hide from his wrath!  I shall be his tool, his hammer to smite those who are unworthy!........."</P> <P>You see?  Perfectly good high elf turned evil.  It's actually really fun to do, you just have to do it well, and make sure you have the stones to carry out the roleplay.  In truth, I'm probably too nice a person to be able to play the character well.  It's hard for me to be truly evil, but you could easily explain some things away as the last vestiges of his soul crying out before the darkness that he has let in consumes it.</P> <P> </P> <P>Anyways!  Don't let taboos stifle your creativity!  At the same time, don't let your creativity outgrow the world that it exists in.  Just like everything else in life, balance is the key <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>