The Immor(t)al Lucan?

[OrcMugger]

<DIV>We know little of how Sir Lucan went from being a two-bit thug in the Freeport Militia to being Overlord.  We know he "liberated" the poor people of Freeport from the vile clutches of the "evil Knights of Truth," (whoa, stomach!) and how he is now greater than any god and can control the weather, yada, yada  etc more ad nauseum.  (If he suddenly proclaimed himself Great and Wise Leader and started aiming missles at Japan I wouldn't be surprised).  What a nutcase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, as far as I know, we know even less about how he became immortal.  I'm sure it must have something to do with his hatred of all paladins :smileywink:  Think about it; being killed all those times must have really ticked him off.  But how did he achieve immortality? Did he bribe Rikantus, Varsoon or Everling?  Or did he achieve it by some other, unknown dark art?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enquiring minds want to know</DIV>

[FreaklyCreak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OrcMugger wrote:<BR> <DIV>We know little of how Sir Lucan went from being a two-bit thug in the Freeport Militia to being Overlord.  We know he "liberated" the poor people of Freeport from the vile clutches of the "evil Knights of Truth," (whoa, stomach!) and how he is now greater than any god and can control the weather, yada, yada  etc more ad nauseum.  (If he suddenly proclaimed himself Great and Wise Leader and started aiming missles at Japan I wouldn't be surprised).  What a nutcase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, as far as I know, we know even less about how he became immortal.  I'm sure it must have something to do with his hatred of all paladins :smileywink:  Think about it; being killed all those times must have really ticked him off.  But how did he achieve immortality? Did he bribe <STRONG>Rikantus, Varsoon or Everling</STRONG>?  Or did he achieve it by some other, unknown dark art?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enquiring minds want to know</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Rikantus, Varsoon or Everling-</P> <P> </P> <P>isnt rikantus lord everling's first name? lol you repeated your self if so, if not im confused on who rikantus is</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Here's the short version of Lucan's life. Originally, Lucan was actually a member of the Knights of Truth.  He was left in charge of protection of the city when the other paladins had to go on a crusade.  It was during this time that he first put together the Militia to help keep order.  However, the power got to Lucan's head and he tried to take over the city, some things happened that culminated in Lucan killing another Knight in battle.  As punishment for this, Marr stripped Lucan of his powers as a paladin.  If I recall correctly,  somewhere around this time he employed the help of an underground group of evil individuals  called the Dismal Rage whose clerics and necromancers assisted in Lucan's rise to lichdom. The rest of the story is fairly well known to EQ2 players; he eventually drove out the followers of Marr and the Ashen Order; the good members of the Arcane Scientists were murdered by the Foci, and Lucan to over uncontested rule of Freeport.<div></div>

[Paladin776]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OrcMugger wrote:<BR> <DIV>We know little of how Sir Lucan went from being a two-bit thug in the Freeport Militia to being Overlord.  We know he "liberated" the poor people of Freeport from the vile clutches of the "evil Knights of Truth," (whoa, stomach!) and how he is now greater than any god and can control the weather, yada, yada  etc more ad nauseum.  (If he suddenly proclaimed himself Great and Wise Leader and started aiming missles at Japan I wouldn't be surprised).  What a nutcase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, as far as I know, we know even less about how he became immortal.  I'm sure it must have something to do with his hatred of all paladins :smileywink:  Think about it; being killed all those times must have really ticked him off.  But how did he achieve immortality? Did he bribe Rikantus, Varsoon or Everling?  Or did he achieve it by some other, unknown dark art?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enquiring minds want to know</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Lucan was never, contrary to most people's opinions of him, a two-bit thug in the Freeport Militia.  He was a Knight of Truth who was left to defend Freeport when the rest of the Knights left for some battle elsewhere (minds a bit fuzzy on this part.) During his command, he formed the Freeport Militia and became power-mad.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>From the Zimel's Blades (The Quest for SoulFire) from EverQuest 1:</P> <P>You say, 'Who is Sir Lucan?'<BR><BR>Valeron Dushire says 'Lucan is a bad seed. You see, I trained Sir Lucan. He was nothing more than a street rat who was taken in by the Temple of Marr. The priests taught him and found him to be very agile and strong. They requested either the Priests of Marr or the Knights of Truth take him on as a squire. Gygus could not spare the trainers at the time and so we took the boy. The boy became a man, and a very formidable knight. Then something [went awry].'<BR><BR>You say, 'What went awry?'<BR><BR>Valeron Dushire says 'During one of our crusades into the lands of Norrath, we left Sir Lucan in charge of the remaining knights. He did much good and the people respected him. He was overtaken by power. He soon began to hire mercenaries to guard the city, calling them the Freeport Militia. His true downfall began when he killed Sentry Dillius, a paladin of the Priests of Marr. His divine powers were stripped from his soul. He was a paladin no longer. He and his militia now control the city. They treat it as their playground and bully the populace. Someone must [stop Sir Lucan].'</P> <P></P> <HR> <BR>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>His exact process isn't known. All we know is that he abandoned his ways as a paladin, had his powers stripped from him by Mithanial Marr, and became a Lich with the help of the Dismal Rage.</DIV>

[GCT]

<FONT color=#9933ff>Sounds like that "something" that happened could have been an evil god's intervention.</FONT>

[Vhalen]

<P>Let us not forget, Sir Lucan was a hero to Freeportians in the early years leading up to his rule. In a time when the Great Trade city was plagued with chaos and the defenders of Marr were off on crusades, Sir Lucan stepped up to save the city. If it were not for the great Sir Lucan, the many gangs of Freeport would have turned the city into a haven for the wicked and debauchery would rule. The tradesmen of the past that defied the odds to establish the greatest trade city on Norrath would have done so for naught as the city would slowly turn to a den of pirates, thieves and robber barons. The city would be fractured and torn apart, much of it destroyed from within. In this realm of chaos where Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr found more purpose leagues beyond the walls of Freeport, Sir Lucan rose to defend the common folk. Our hero, Sir Lucan D'Lere succeeded in turning chaos into order.</P> <P>There are many tales never told of Sir Lucan's deeds in those early years. He and his Freeport Militia battled many threats to the Freeportian way of life. Tales of dragon battles, orc wars and naval engagements, all were done to establish a world of order where all law abiding Freeportians may prosper. Where did it all go wrong? Did it go wrong?</P> <P>As for his longevity, there is one person in Freeport that may hold the answer. But he not what we all believe or know.</P>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>Let us not forget, Sir Lucan was a hero to Freeportians in the early years leading up to his rule. In a time when the Great Trade city was plagued with chaos and the defenders of Marr were off on crusades, Sir Lucan stepped up to save the city. If it were not for the great Sir Lucan, the many gangs of Freeport would have turned the city into a haven for the wicked and debauchery would rule. The tradesmen of the past that defied the odds to establish the greatest trade city on Norrath would have done so for naught as the city would slowly turn to a den of pirates, thieves and robber barons. The city would be fractured and torn apart, much of it destroyed from within. In this realm of chaos where Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr found more purpose leagues beyond the walls of Freeport, Sir Lucan rose to defend the common folk. Our hero, Sir Lucan D'Lere succeeded in turning chaos into order.</P> <P>There are many tales never told of Sir Lucan's deeds in those early years. He and his Freeport Militia battled many threats to the Freeportian way of life. Tales of dragon battles, orc wars and naval engagements, all were done to establish a world of order where all law abiding Freeportians may prosper. Where did it all go wrong? Did it go wrong?</P> <P>As for his longevity, there is one person in Freeport that may hold the answer. <FONT color=#ff0000>But he not what we all believe or know.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hmm if vhalen said she I would think it would be that Dark Elf that stands behind lucan in the opening scene.  As for the "he" reference It maybe 1 of the 3 hooded men that stand behind him or a crazy person that originally helped lucan become a Lich to begin with.  That crazy person now residing within the Freeport Asylum along side the person who only mutters the word "Fayspire" *yes I remember vhalen :smileywink: *.

[DebasedMora]

Lucan was and is a great and glorious leader! Strength in unity and unity through LUCAN! WHoever dares challenge the great and powerful Overlord will be crushed under the boots of the Freeport Militia and the divine grace of the Omnipotent Lucan D'Lere!Bow Naives, BOW DOWN! You worthless dogs, who are not fit to lick the graceful bloodied muddy bootprint left by the great Overlord, as he crushes the bodies of those that oppose him! Debased MoralsShadow Knight of the Seventieth Circle of PainServant of the Overlord<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote:<BR>Lucan was and is a great and glorious leader! Strength in unity and unity through LUCAN! WHoever dares challenge the great and powerful Overlord will be crushed under the boots of the Freeport Militia and the divine grace of the Omnipotent Lucan D'Lere!<BR><BR>Bow Naives, BOW DOWN! You worthless dogs, who are not fit to lick the graceful bloodied muddy bootprint left by the great Overlord, as he crushes the bodies of those that oppose him! <BR><BR>Debased Morals<BR>Shadow Knight of the Seventieth Circle of Pain<BR>Servant of the Overlord<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Did you take your medication today? >_>

[Loranthala]

I'd Vote no...

[DebasedMora]

BLASPHEMERS!You just wait... The Overlord shall win out in the end...Death to the enemies of D'Lere!Debased MoralsShadow Knight of the Seventieth Circle of PainServant of the Overlord<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Amana wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Vhalen wrote: <div></div> <p>Let us not forget, Sir Lucan was a hero to Freeportians in the early years leading up to his rule. In a time when the Great Trade city was plagued with chaos and the defenders of Marr were off on crusades, Sir Lucan stepped up to save the city. If it were not for the great Sir Lucan, the many gangs of Freeport would have turned the city into a haven for the wicked and debauchery would rule. The tradesmen of the past that defied the odds to establish the greatest trade city on Norrath would have done so for naught as the city would slowly turn to a den of pirates, thieves and robber barons. The city would be fractured and torn apart, much of it destroyed from within. In this realm of chaos where Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr found more purpose leagues beyond the walls of Freeport, Sir Lucan rose to defend the common folk. Our hero, Sir Lucan D'Lere succeeded in turning chaos into order.</p> <p>There are many tales never told of Sir Lucan's deeds in those early years. He and his Freeport Militia battled many threats to the Freeportian way of life. Tales of dragon battles, orc wars and naval engagements, all were done to establish a world of order where all law abiding Freeportians may prosper. Where did it all go wrong? Did it go wrong?</p> <p>As for his longevity, there is one person in Freeport that may hold the answer. <font color="#ff0000">But he not what we all believe or know.</font></p> <hr> </blockquote>Hmm if vhalen said she I would think it would be that Dark Elf that stands behind lucan in the opening scene.  As for the "he" reference It maybe 1 of the 3 hooded men that stand behind him or a crazy person that originally helped lucan become a Lich to begin with.  That crazy person now residing within the Freeport Asylum along side the person who only mutters the word "Fayspire" *yes I remember vhalen :smileywink: *.<hr></blockquote>I think the "he" refers to Lucan.</div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote:<BR>Lucan was and is a great and glorious leader! Strength in unity and unity through LUCAN! WHoever dares challenge the great and powerful Overlord will be crushed under the boots of the Freeport Militia and the divine grace of the Omnipotent Lucan D'Lere!<BR><BR>Bow Naives, BOW DOWN! You worthless dogs, who are not fit to lick the graceful bloodied muddy bootprint left by the great Overlord, as he crushes the bodies of those that oppose him! <BR><BR>Debased Morals<BR>Shadow Knight of the Seventieth Circle of Pain<BR>Servant of the Overlord<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LOL lets see your great and powerfull overlord go up solo...no with ALL the freeport millitia against Tunare and see who wins

[OrcMugger]

<P>Elves say the "Great and Glorious Leader" (I TOLD you he'd aim missiles at Japan if he were Here) that Lucan used to play "Drop the Soap" with ole' Sergeant Slate back in The Day.</P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote:<BR>BLASPHEMERS!<BR><BR>You just wait... The Overlord shall win out in the end...<BR><BR>Death to the enemies of D'Lere!<BR><BR>Debased Morals<BR>Shadow Knight of the Seventieth Circle of Pain<BR>Servant of the Overlord<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Fires of Sol Ro will eventually purge your traitor of a leader, and cleanse the world of his followers.</P> <P>I will stand by with that fire in my eyes and smile.  Pray that E'ci persuade us otherwise and protect you with her divine cold. Unless she wills you burnt by the cold fires that she gives me.</P><p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 PM</span>

[Xxile]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OrcMugger wrote:<BR> <P>Lucan used to play "Drop the Soap" with ole' Sergeant Slate back in The Day.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LOL...  I remember Antonia playing the same game with the Pirates of Gunthak back when she was on the sisters island...<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xxile wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OrcMugger wrote:<BR> <P>Lucan used to play "Drop the Soap" with ole' Sergeant Slate back in The Day.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LOL...  I remember Antonia playing the same game with the Pirates of Gunthak back when she was on the sisters island...<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You left out one minor detail. it was the pirates who were dropping it.<BR>

[Xxile]

LOL

[DebasedMora]

The might of The Overlord has Tunare wetting her panties. The Master of All the Shattered Lands, The Overlord, Lucan D'Lere, and the Glorious Militia of Freeport, with the Ingenious Arcane Scientists will break Tunare and her troop of dancing bear pets. Now I'm not one to spread gossip, but I do believe I have heard some talk about Tunare and a one of her furry friends being a little too close for anything natural... Thats right I said it! Tunare the "Nature Lover" made it with a Squrrel!...and she loooooved it! But you didn't hear that from me...Debased MoralsShadow Knight of the Seventeith Cricle of PainServant of The OverlordP.S. Tunare is a wussy...<div></div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote:<BR>The might of The Overlord has Tunare wetting her panties. The Master of All the Shattered Lands, The Overlord, Lucan D'Lere, and the Glorious Militia of Freeport, with the Ingenious Arcane Scientists will break Tunare and her troop of dancing bear pets. Now I'm not one to spread gossip, but I do believe I have heard some talk about Tunare and a one of her furry friends being a little too close for anything natural... Thats right I said it! Tunare the "Nature Lover" made it with a Squrrel!...and she loooooved it! But you didn't hear that from me...<BR><BR><BR>Debased Morals<BR>Shadow Knight of the Seventeith Cricle of Pain<BR>Servant of The Overlord<BR><BR><BR><STRONG>P.S. Tunare is a wussy...</STRONG><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>why don't you go solo here then :smileytongue:<BR>

[vikingthug]

Solo Tunare?  Not a chance..She's been around the block one too many times...Youd have to keep a few bottle of cure disease handy.....

[Rezikai]

<P>meh... </P> <P>Hookey religions and ancient relics are no match for a good saber at your side kids...</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Porkchop133 wrote:<BR> <P>meh... </P> <P>Hookey religions and ancient relics are no match for a good saber at your side kids...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nice.

[Miranni]

Oh yes, Tunare is sooo afraid of Lucan... of course that's why she's touched the commonlands around the druid ring <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Personally I think Tunare's gotten a little of the mischief in her if you know what I mean...<div></div>

[Xxile]

<P>Bristlebane and Tunare?  Realy this whole time I coulda sworn she was more for the Petrified Heartwood Flamberge <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7040" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7040</A></P> <P>man i must be on Dry Eye Weed <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=20346" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=20346</A></P><p>Message Edited by Xxile on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:15 PM</span>

[Yar]

I think, if I remember correctly, it was the <i>Crusade of Tears</i> that the Paladins and Priests of Marr left Freeport for.  I know there was a lot of in-game lore regarding Sir Lucan's rule, not just from the Paladin Epic questline but from a number of other quests as well.At least if not about Sir Lucan, but about the Crusade itself.<div></div>

[Yar]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div> <p>Let us not forget, Sir Lucan was a hero to Freeportians in the early years leading up to his rule. In a time when the Great Trade city was plagued with chaos and the defenders of Marr were off on crusades, Sir Lucan stepped up to save the city...</p><p>... There are many tales never told of Sir Lucan's deeds in those early years. He and his Freeport Militia battled many threats to the Freeportian way of life. Tales of dragon battles, orc wars and naval engagements, all were done to establish a world of order where all law abiding Freeportians may prosper. Where did it all go wrong? Did it go wrong?</p> <p>As for his longevity, there is one person in Freeport that may hold the answer. But he not what we all believe or know.</p> <hr></blockquote><font color="#0000ff"><b>Do not belive the lies! q-: </b></font><font color="#0000ff"></font><font color="#0000ff"></font><font color="#0000ff">Sir Lucan was left in charge of the defense of Freeport.  The pressure of leading this great city while the Paladins and Priests of Marr got to him and his resolve crumbled, leading him to bargain with the dark forces assailing the city.  (As far as in-game EQ1 Lore has loosely stated, if I remember correctly).</font><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div> <p> If it were not for the great Sir Lucan, the many gangs of Freeport would have turned the city into a haven for the wicked and debauchery would rule. The tradesmen of the past that defied the odds to establish the greatest trade city on Norrath would have done so for naught as the city would slowly turn to a den of pirates, thieves and robber barons.The city would be fractured and torn apart, much of it destroyed from within. In this realm of chaos where Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr found more purpose leagues beyond the walls of Freeport, Sir Lucan rose to defend the common folk. Our hero, Sir Lucan D'Lere succeeded in turning chaos into order.</p><hr></blockquote><font color="#0000ff">I'd hate to really point this out, but Freeport is a haven for the wicked and debauchery does rule.  Lucan does keep the populace united under fear, otherwise it would have fractured and destroyed itself from within long, long ago.</font><font color="#0000ff"></font><font color="#0000ff"></font><font color="#0000ff">Lucan did succeed in turning chaos into order .... for now at least.</font></div><p>Message Edited by Yaroc on <span class=date_text>07-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:00 AM</span>

[Fistantantilus]

Lucan is the protector of the realm! He is our Overlord and with the help of the Prince of Hate he is going to crush the little treehugger and her bear pet.Strength in unity; unity in Lucan!All praise Innoruuk, our Lord and Creator.<div></div>

[Lings]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Yaroc wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>Let us not forget, Sir Lucan was a hero to Freeportians in the early years leading up to his rule. In a time when the Great Trade city was plagued with chaos and the defenders of Marr were off on crusades, Sir Lucan stepped up to save the city...</P> <P>... There are many tales never told of Sir Lucan's deeds in those early years. He and his Freeport Militia battled many threats to the Freeportian way of life. Tales of dragon battles, orc wars and naval engagements, all were done to establish a world of order where all law abiding Freeportians may prosper. Where did it all go wrong? Did it go wrong?</P> <P>As for his longevity, there is one person in Freeport that may hold the answer. But he not what we all believe or know.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#0000ff><B>Do not belive the lies! q-: </B></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>Sir Lucan was left in charge of the defense of Freeport.  The pressure of leading this great city while the Paladins and Priests of Marr got to him and his resolve crumbled, leading him to bargain with the dark forces assailing the city.  (As far as in-game EQ1 Lore has loosely stated, if I remember correctly).</FONT><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P> If it were not for the great Sir Lucan, the many gangs of Freeport would have turned the city into a haven for the wicked and debauchery would rule. The tradesmen of the past that defied the odds to establish the greatest trade city on Norrath would have done so for naught as the city would slowly turn to a den of pirates, thieves and robber barons.The city would be fractured and torn apart, much of it destroyed from within. In this realm of chaos where Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr found more purpose leagues beyond the walls of Freeport, Sir Lucan rose to defend the common folk. Our hero, Sir Lucan D'Lere succeeded in turning chaos into order.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#0000ff>I'd hate to really point this out, but Freeport is a haven for the wicked and debauchery does rule.  Lucan does keep the populace united under fear, otherwise it would have fractured and destroyed itself from within long, long ago.</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>Lucan did succeed in turning chaos into order .... for now at least.</FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Yaroc on <SPAN class=date_text>07-30-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:00 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>ignoring the character I occasionally play... (who would scream at you like the other pro-lucan people)</P> <P>I think that was the point he was trying to make. (Vhalen)</P><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 PM</span>

[Yar]

<blockquote><hr>Lingsch wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>ignoring the character I occasionally play... (who would scream at you like the other pro-lucan people)</p> <p>I think that was the point he was trying to make. (Vhalen)</p><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">08-03-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:29 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><font color="#0000ff">I do not believe that Tony "Sir Lucan" Garcia was making that point at all, hehe q-:What I want to know is, who in the heck resurrected Lucan D'Lere 500 or so years ago, after he was defeated by one of my ancestors?  Now THAT person and I are going to have words!</font><div></div>

[Lings]

<P>yeah yeah, whatever, anyway. You can read it as such. Anyway, it doesn't matter, forget I said that. Freeport might've had much more trouble without him.</P> <P>What happens in gameplay does not always equate to what happens in the story.</P> <P>Some prime examples... EQ2: those who did Spirits of the Lost quite clearly saw "You have killed Venekor" or "XXX has killed Venekor" yet he's still alive (there may be some lore to that, but I don't know it if so).</P> <P>Same thing with EQ1's Nagafen.</P> <P>Examples from other games: the Biohazard/Resident Evil series. The main character never really gets infected, no matter how many times you're bitten.</P> <P>So "killed" by gameplay mechanics doesn't necessarily mean "killed" in the story.</P> <P>I'm more interested to know how he gained his immortality...</P> <P>Of course, people who ask too many questions, tend to disapear.</P><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 PM</span>

[Yar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lingsch wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>yeah yeah, whatever, anyway. You can read it as such. Anyway, it doesn't matter, forget I said that. Freeport might've had much more trouble without him.</p> <p>What happens in gameplay does not always equate to what happens in the story.</p> <p>Some prime examples... EQ2: those who did Spirits of the Lost quite clearly saw "You have killed Venekor" or "XXX has killed Venekor" yet he's still alive (there may be some lore to that, but I don't know it if so).</p> <p>Same thing with EQ1's Nagafen.</p> <p>Examples from other games: the Biohazard/Resident Evil series. The main character never really gets infected, no matter how many times you're bitten.</p> <p>So "killed" by gameplay mechanics doesn't necessarily mean "killed" in the story.</p> <p>I'm more interested to know how he gained his immortality...</p> <p>Of course, people who ask too many questions, tend to disapear.</p><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">08-04-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:32 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>LOL, my "question" was more rhetorical than anything.  I realize that things that happen in game do not necessarily reflect the storyline that the game takes.Which, begs the question:Was Lucan defeated for Soulfire to be reformed?  All that the eq2 lore on SoulFire says is that <i>"Eventually one courageous paladin collected all the lost pieces, and the sword magically reassembled of its own will."</i>As far as the pieces that the sword was in, in EQ1 - there was just the hilt from Xicotyl.  The blade of the sword was taken from the Brilliant Sword of Faith (awarded to you after killing Sir Lucan).  To show that you were worthy to weild the sword, you needed to hand in your Testimony of Truth so that Brother Hayle would reform the blade for you.  Now, on to the rest of the EQ2 Lore on Soulfire: <i>"The valorous Order of Marr knew its power and quickly hid it far from the empires of man in a secluded fortress called Marr."</i>How did the Order of Marr get hold of the blade after a Paladin was weilding it?  I'm assuming (hopefully correctly) that they recieved it after that said Paladin turned in Soulfire as a sacrifice towards weilding the blade that was the Fiery Avenger... which would make sense, no?  The Soulfire quest, and that of the Fiery Avenger and Fiery Defender, were some of my favorite quests in EQ1.  The best part was trying to figure out the Zimel's Blades portion of the questline (that all elusive recipe for Bog Juice! LOL, thanks to a developer in the house of commons chat for the recipe, as there was no in-game recipe for the stuff at the time.  I still have my old e-mails from some of the Paladin community when we were trying to figure it out).The Peacock line and the Qeynos Claymore lines are quite similar in their "epic-ness", but still not quite the same .... feel .... but it's pretty close.  I think it's the scope of the quest itself - the actual distance you had to travel (even though you could port closer to your destination, you still had a long way to travel), the adventures during your travels were fun at times, plus the insane amount of faction work you needed to successfully complete the quest (which it could do without, and from what I've heard from friends that still play EQ1, was toned down - you don't need high-kindly faction anymore.  I was afraid to have Hayle "eat" the turn-in items, so I didn't turn them in until I was max ally).I think the best part of the Soulfire questline was the fact that you could - and at one point had to - start it before level 9, and have a majority of the quest done without actually killing anything.  Plus, add to the fact that if you were a Paladin from Freeport (like I was), you probably had one of the requirements done even before you knew it, from your trainers.Unfortunately I never got to work on the "Epic 1.5" or "Epic 2.0" quests much before leaving EQ1 for EQ2... but those looked to be overwhelmingly hard and raid-oriented, but fun nonetheless.Anyway, I think I've rambled on long enough.</div>