KoS Lore and then Kerafyrm/Dragon history here

[VizP]

<div></div>After speculating who the final prophet was, I became really interested in dragonlore - there are two great threads that help explain this. The first part is a quick summary of some Kingdom of Sky lore and then the second part indicates the history of dragonkind from Veeshan all the way to the Sleeper disappearing from Norrath.. I hope putting it all together is useful for you.(Edit: the blue and green text was found in the lore forums of EQ2 and EQ1 respectively but Im afraid I can not recollect the original posters responsible. If you were the original poster for each segement, thank you very much for your original posts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )----<font color="#ccffff">Droag were created by the Dragons to serve their needs (be it errand boys, constuction workers, archoelogists, and any other menial task they deem unwrothy for themselves).  It looks like the exact process can be found out by doing the Qeynos Claymore line, since that is the one where we help Kyle (sure it's not Kane?  He was the infamous traitor of Qeynos).</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">The Droag are split between two masters, High Priestess Harla Dar, spiritual leader of the Cult of the Awakened, and Lord Vyemm, an arcane scientist (no, not the kind from Freeport, a true arcane scientist who studies both the scientific realm as well as that of magik), who leads the Doomwing Legions (more on this in a sec)</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">All of the Dragons on the opening screen are followers of Kerafyrm, aka, the Sleeper, which would explain his new title: the Awakened.  Kerafyrm is (at least to date) the only known Prismatic Dragon, born to two dragons of opposing elements, thus creating a kind of super dragon.  Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Talendor, and Lord Vyemm, without a doubt, view Kerafyrm as a god, and have lead their Droag minions to believe as much.  Kerafyrm has apparently promised that he would lead them to the elimination of the weaker races (following in the foot steps of his mentor, who, oddly enough, was the most vehemently opposed to the creation of a Prismatic Dragon...at least before one was created), his mentor being Kildrukaun, I have a real bad time with names, so please forgive the spelling errors.  His mentor (at least back in the day, haven't heard much about him in this expansion) viewed Kerafyrm as a GIFT from Veeshan, something of a prophetic hero who would unite all wurm-kind together, and wipe away the blemish of the second born, ie, elves, giants, trolls, ogres, goblins, dwarves, gnomes, orcs, and pretty much any other race not created by Veeshan.</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">Kerafyrm left and helped to blow up Luclin (that is hinted in several places, as well as the post that had a screenshot of the Sage of Ages aka Darathar telling someone working on the Pris 1 quest to look to the sky for evidence of the power of a prismatic dragon), Luclin blowing up=The Shattering, which occurred roughly 15 years prior to the launch of EQ2, not to be confused with the Rending, which took place much earlier, at the end of the Age of War, signifying the beginning of the Age of Cataclysms (some people say as early as 75 years prior to EQ2 launch, some say centuries earlier, I can't tell you one way or another, lore sources are very vague on this)</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">Kerafyrm hasn't returned since he helped cause the Shattering, Lordy Vyemm doesn't think he is coming back, and so is preparing to take what was promised the Awakaned (that being Norrath) without the direct aid of Kerafyrm, the Droag that have sided with him in this belief make up the Doomwing Legion.  On the opposite side is High Priestess Harla Dar, who awaits the return of their god, so that he may lead them to their inheritance (Veeshan gave the world to her brood, this the other races are trespassing).  Gorenaire and Talendor fight amongst themselves as much as anyone else while trying to extend their own personal influence within the Cult.  These are the four main leaders among the Cult of the Awakened, they have other drakes, wurms, a few drakota, and even some weaker (probably younger) dragons also under their influence.</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">On Kerafyrm:</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">Prismatic dragon worshipped by the Cult of the Awakened, and wanted dead (at least I hope they don't want to make him go to sleep again) by the RIng of Scale and the Claws of Veeshan, the two elder dragon houses.  They see the Cult as an abomination to Veeshan.  It is commonly believed he was born to Dozekar and an unknown (at least to us) female back before the Age of Turmoil (EQ1).</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">Vox and Nagafen were imprisoned by the Ring of Scale at least a millenia (1000 years) BEFORE the Age of Turmoil for trying to create prismatic offspring, so it may be assumed that Kerafyrm existed before that.  Since the Rending, they have succeeded in making many prismatic eggs, which is a very chilling thought in and of itself, however they have no real relation to Kerafyrm or the Cult of the Awakened, or anything, except perhaps wanting them out of the way so that their own prismatic army can grow without rivalry, well, just Naggy now, since Darathar and his drokata killed Vox, and destroyed almost all of the prismatic eggs in her posession.</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff">I think that about covers it...</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccff99">------This second part now goes into history of dragonkind and more detail on the above mentioned Awakened:The Story of Kerafyrm, the Sleeper (in part with the early history of dragonkind) In the beginning of the history of Norrath, Veeshan goddess of Sky flew throughout the cosmos in search of places she deemed fit to place her children, the dragons. Veeshan herself is a crystalline dragon, and a massive one at that, easily half the size of Norrath. As a mark upon the planets she deposited her brood on, she rent great claw marks upon them, marks to other gods that this planet belonged to her and her children. Norrath was no different. Veeshan rent great scars into the frozen continent of Velious, and from these the dragons came forth. These first dragons, the first brood, whose like shall never again be seen upon Norrath, immediately set to work in their civilization. In the far west of the continent they built a great Temple to Veeshan, and some time later the dragon known as Yelinak led a group eastward and built the Skyshrine. Over time the dragon kin, lesser children of Veeshan, came forth: drakes, wurms, wyverns, and racnars, and the children of Veeshan continued to expand. In order to hold their realm together, the dragons established a high council to serve as the head of the brood, and at the head of this council and arch priest who would serve as the speaker for Veeshan on Norrath. To this postion was elected Kildrukaun the Black, and under his lead the dragons prospered. In this time the dragons developed many of the crafts of Norrath, the most prominent being magic, which many of them became obsessed with. Now, Kildrukaun had also established a set of laws to hold the kin together, and one such law was that no dragons of opposing elemental backgrounds should mate. For the dragons were divided into many different subspecies of elements; fire and ice and more besides. For two different dragons to mate, it was thought, was to mix and defile the pure blood that had been given to them by Veeshan. The dragons were content with this law, and happily mated, bringing forth the Second Brood and further expanding their realm. But in time there came two dragons, one of fire and one of ice, who were discontent with this law, and desired to mate. It is said that the male was Dozekar (who is called now the Cursed), but the female has never been known. Seeing their position as a first, the two approached Kildrukaun with their issue. They were immediately dismissed. Yet so strong was their desire that they removed to a hidden corner of Norrath and there mated, bringing forth into the world a Prismatic dragon, and, some say, the fate of the world. The two dragons were found and punished for their disobedience with death, or fates worse than that. But the prismatic hatchling was kept alive by order of Kildrukaun, who saw the dragon's unprevented birth as the will of Veeshan. Kildrukaun developed a secret obsession for the hatchling, and it was taken into the Temple and its growth was overseen by Kildrukaun himself. It was named "Kerafyrm", which is in dragon "The Prophetic Savior", a name given to him by the Arch Priest. But what Prophecy the hatchling would save was as of yet unknown. In the days of Kerafyrm's youth, the dragon Jaled Dar began to speak openly against the council in its decisions. He was discontent with the silent life of research (of magic, which most dragons did at the time) on the frozen wastelands, seeing that the dragons should have control over all of Norrath and be a mighty empire. For Jaled Dar, as well as many others, foresaw the coming of lesser races and gods to Norrath, and knew that they would become a threat to the dragons if no action was taken to expand over the world now. Kildrukaun would not yield to Jaled Dar and forbid him to leave the continent, but his discontent grew silently... ...Not long afterwards the lesser gods did indeed come to Norrath, as Jaled Dar had foreseen, and the Age of Scale came to an end. Of the first of their creations on Norrath is written elsewhere, but in this story only the children of Rallos Zek, god of war, are a factor. These were the giants: the Kromzek and the Kromriff, and they happened to arrive on the continent of Velious. They immediately became hostile towards the dragons, because of the warring nature in their hearts, and shortly after thier arrival they assailed Skyshrine. While they were repulsed, their leader Porlos slayed Hsagra, the mate of Yelinak, in battle. War erupted between the dragons and the giants and has not ceased since. The following chaos caused Jaled Dar to take action. He and the followers (Including his daughter, Phara Dar, and Trakanon) that had joined him departed Velious and flew to Kunark. There they established themselves as the Ring of Scale, and from that time forth the dragons were divided. Kildrukaun was furious, but in light of the war against the giants he could not afford to wage battle against the Ring of Scale as well. The giants had already spread out acorss the eastern part of Velious, focused at their city Kael Drakkal, and the war grew fiercer. During this time Kerafyrm came to full age, and immediately joined in the battle against the giants. He quickly proved himself to be an uncontested warrior in combat, and later a tactical mastermind as one of the generals of the Draconic army, rival to Zeixshi`Kar himself. Kildrukaun supported him in everything that he did, believing that Kerafyrm would lead the dragons to victory over the giants and would reunite the Brood, and the Prismatic gained leadership over thousands. But as time passed, it became apparent that Kerafyrm was becoming corrupted by this power. His heart became darkened, and he began to plot rebellion. It became known that Kerafyrm planned to overthrow the Council and take up as the sole ruler of dragonkind, and gathered up a secret army of his own, his disciples. These were mostly younger dragons whose hearts were easier to corrupt. Lord Yelinak discovered Kerafyrm's plot and immediately went to see Kildrukaun. The elder, however, had become so enraptured in Kerafyrm that he had already given into the Prismatic, and was his servant. He followed the power of Kerafyrm with more reverence than to Veeshan. Kildrukaun had also swayed three other elders of the council to secretly join Kerafyrm's side. These were: Tjudawos the Yellow, one of the greatest mages Norrath shall ever see, Zeixshi`Kar the Silver, already mentioned as the leader of the Draconic army, and Vyskudra, the daughter of Kildrukaun himself and the only remaining storm dragon left in the world today. Yelinak, however, returned to Skyshrine, knowing that action would have to be taken at once or the Brood would fall to Kerafyrm. Whether Yelinak or Kerafyrm acted first, civil war erupted shortly thereafter amongst the dragons on Velious. The corrupted elders immediately flew to Kerafyrm's side, and for a time it seemed that Kerafyrm had an unquestioned victory over Yelinak. But he persevered, and miraculously the Discples of Kerafyrm were driven back. As his defeat became apparent, Kerafyrm ordered the four elders to flee Velious and hide, to await his return. They were not pursued. The war came down to one final battle where Yelinak threw down Kerafyrm himself in combat on the frozen wastes. Yet such was the Prismatic's power that no force of the dragons could find any way to completely destroy him. Lord Yelinak ordered that a massive tomb be built under one of the mountains on Velious, to forever hold Kerafyrm in submission. Massive golems, such as dragonkind had never before constructed, were placed within the tomb to guard it, and four great dragons were chosen to personally stand guard in the chaber where Kerafyrm would lay. For a mighty stasis spell was placed upon him, throwing him into a lifeless sleep (from then on he became known as the Sleeper). The extent of the spell was woven into the four dragon guards, so that as long as they lived, the spell could not be broken. These dragons were the Elemental Warders, each of a different color; Hraashna, Nanzata, Tukaarak, and Ventani. Before they went into the tomb they were instructed to mate and produce hatchlings that would be raised as the next set of Warders when they were gone. And so the Tomb was sealed away and locked up so that no soul could enter it. The high council was reestablished with Vulak-Aerr as the arch priest, the Brood reorganized, the war with the giants continued, and the name of the Sleeper soon became legend...        The Ring of Scale knew of the civil war and the fall of Kerafyrm, but they paid little heed to it. Their time on Kunark had seen the rise and fall of the Shissar kingdom and the expansion of the Sebilisian Empire. The Iksar, like the giants, dared to challenge the rule of the dragons on Kunark. The story of the war between the dragons and the Iksar is told elsewhere, but know that the Iksar had succeeded in driving the Ring of Scale back to their stronghold of Veeshan's Peak. With small hope left, Jaled Dar led his warriors against the Sokokar-mounted legions of the Emperor, Ganak, into a major battle over the Field of Bone. In the end, Jaled Dar and Ganak met in combat, and both perished. It is known that the beliefs of a dragon call for them to have no material desire left in this world upon their death, so that they may pass freely and unregretfully to be with Veeshan. It is their desire to have no desire, one could say. But Jaled Dar's spirit was much troubled upon his death on Kunark. He believed that his daughter, Phara Dar, and her mate Trakanon, had plotted his death so that they could assume rule over the Ring of Scale. Thus he died with burning hatred, and his spirit passed not out of this world but instead back to Velious. There it found a dwelling in the depths of the Necropolis, where the remains of all dragons are taken. Jaled Dar had become hateful of the entire world and everything in it, and plotted a way to gain his revenge upon them all. However, as a shade of his former being he could not directly do such a thing. Laying in the Necropolis, Jaled Dar recalled the dragon once known as Kerafyrm, still imprisoned in his eternal slumber. There was his means to accomplish his revenge, to unleash that wrathful and most powerful creature upon the world, and he would be unstoppable and destroy everything in his blind fury. By means unknown Jaled Dar obtained a key to the Sleeper's Tomb, and after thousands of years of waiting the opportunity finally presented itself. Bands of lesser mortals adventuring across Velious in search of treasures came upon the Necropolis and Jaled Dar, who welcomed them. Hiding his true intentions, the dragon told them a fabrication of how he and the other dragons had become jealous and envious of the great one known as Kerafyrm. They had wrongfully imprisoned him, but Jaled Dar believed that their fates would be saved by that creature, and that the mortals must travel to his tomb and unleash him, so that he might save them all. Blinded by their ambitions, the mortals accepted Jaled Dar's request. They foolishly invaded the tomb and destroyed its guards, and came upon the Four Warders. The mighty dragons were unable to stop them, and all of them were slain. With the death of the last Warder, the stasis was broken and the Sleeper was awoken. He quickly dispatched the fools who had released him, and Jaled Dar laughed in the Necropolis, for he believed that Kerafyrm in his awakened wrath would destory all life on Norrath. But Kerafyrm had been weakened by his long sleep, and so as he was could still be restrained by a resistance powerful enough. Knowing this, the creature left the Tomb and retreated to some distant corner of Norrath, and prepared his plans. The four corrupt elders who had long lay hidden were called forth again. In the time that had passed since the imprisonment of their master they had grown powerful, and had transcended to a stage that only a few dragons have reached; they had become Ancients. Their spirits were infused into a corporeal power known as the Prime, and their images on Norrath were but a small display of their true power, much like the gods themselves. The Ancients traveled quickly to the Tomb and secured it for the return of their master, for it was to be his lair. When everything was in order, they began to plot the destruction of the lesser mortals of Norrath and any who would stand against them. This news passed quickly to the Brood, and the council urgently met in the Temple. There the children of the Warders, the apprentices who were to have taken their place, were called forth. The Council presented to them the task of destroying the Ancients, and from then on they were known as the Crusaders: Jotreva, Charayan, Grendish, and Susarrak are their names. They traveled to the Skyshrine, and there they dwell even now, researching a way to destroy the Prime and the life of the Ancients. While they did, the rest of dragonkind prepared for the worst, knowing that even as they were, they stood little chance against Kerafyrm's growing power...<font color="#ffff99">------The final part is the start of Everquest 2 and the Shattering - and as pointed out above in blue was almost definitely Kerafyrm ramming Luclin as the first part of his plan to exact revenge. The rest may be coming soon which is why all of this may be very topical in the coming months.. especially with the new expansion and progress of the storylines present in Kingdom of Sky.</font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:38 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I must make note of it to return to this thread later to read the 2nd story. That really is a lot to take in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, just wanted to point out that the Rending started happening roughly 300 years ago, not 75.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Furthermore, we know that it's never been proven that it's Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, because Darathar lied about just about everything he told you while disguised as Captain Vargas and as the Sage of Ages.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nagafen also told the story that Kerafyrm was involved in Luclin's destruction, but later admits that he was mistaken about it when you tell him yourself that you have evidence that proved he was still alive.</DIV>

[VizP]

<div></div>Sure but its never been completely debunked either and in truth since its unexplained, I would place a bet that even though Darathar lied about everything to manipulate you and Nagafen was not completely sure on the events that transpired, perhaps it was that one shred of truth in the prismatic quest. Im sure the answers will come soon though...Also the two extracts are from other posts.. I have no idea about the doubts in terms of the Rending but I thought it was a minor point in terms of the topic <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:25 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div> </div><div>Anyway, just wanted to point out that the Rending started happening roughly 300 years ago, not 75.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>I don't think the Rending ws 300 years ago, by my best guess that may put it before the attack on the Nexus, which I don't think could be more than 250-270 years ago<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div> </div><div>Furthermore, we know that it's never been proven that it's Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, because Darathar lied about just about everything he told you while disguised as Captain Vargas and as the Sage of Ages.</div><div> </div><div>Nagafen also told the story that Kerafyrm was involved in Luclin's destruction, but later admits that he was mistaken about it when you tell him yourself that you have evidence that proved he was still alive.</div><hr></blockquote>I have to admit to still having doubts that Kerafyrm destroyed Luclin.  I still think it was Rallos and Solusek's forces using the Draesolisk (think I spelled that right) </div>

[VizP]

Well I spose even if wasn't Kerafyrm that destroyed Luclin its not a big issue in terms of game storyline. Whether it was him or it wasnt, we still have the high liklihood he still likely wants to take over Norrath.. unfinished business. In my mind though.. a large prismatic dragon hurtling into a moon.. is a fantastic image to visualise and its a shame if it wasnt true <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, just wanted to point out that the Rending started happening roughly 300 years ago, not 75.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think the Rending ws 300 years ago, by my best guess that may put it before the attack on the Nexus, which I don't think could be more than 250-270 years ago<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Furthermore, we know that it's never been proven that it's Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, because Darathar lied about just about everything he told you while disguised as Captain Vargas and as the Sage of Ages.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nagafen also told the story that Kerafyrm was involved in Luclin's destruction, but later admits that he was mistaken about it when you tell him yourself that you have evidence that proved he was still alive.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I have to admit to still having doubts that Kerafyrm destroyed Luclin.  I still think it was Rallos and Solusek's forces using the Draesolisk (think I spelled that right)<BR><BR><BR> <BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Tome of Destiny goes in a chronological order. We know that the Nexus was invaded within the first 100 years, Probably the first 30 or so. The chapters then go on to say that quite some time passed since contact with Luclin was shut off. The chapter on the Rending happened right before the chapter about the Shattering. The chapter about the Rending goes on to say that the 2nd Rallosian War happened at least one generation ago, which means that the war happened sometime during the first 200 years, and that the Rending happened at least 200 years before present day.</P> <P> </P> <P>I too still hope that it was the dresolik crystal that was responsible.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>You're right, I said there wasn't any evidence that proved he did it, but I didn't say that there was evidence to prove that it wasn't him either. my mistake there.</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>About the Nexus invasion, the chapter mentions that the erudites are celebrating Erud's 8th centinnial.  Now Erud was alive in EQOA which is 500 years before EQlive.  Then, if you add, say, 75-100 years to account for the actual span of his life before EQOA and the period of time that EQlive happens in you would get that the Nexus invasion happens in the first 200-225 years of the events leading up to EQ2, pushing everything else back a bit<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> About the Nexus invasion, the chapter mentions that the erudites are celebrating Erud's 8th centinnial.  Now Erud was alive in EQOA which is 500 years before EQlive.  Then, if you add, say, 75-100 years to account for the actual span of his life before EQOA and the period of time that EQlive happens in you would get that the Nexus invasion happens in the first 200-225 years of the events leading up to EQ2, pushing everything else back a bit<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>But others stories in the game itself mentions that the Rending started, happened, and ended over the course of hundreds of years though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. EQOA isn't EXACTLY canon. Not exactly.</DIV>

[Jait]

<P>Well, I for one would like to thank ya Silthian.  This must have taken some time to write out.</P> <P> </P> <P>Much appreciated :smileyhappy:</P>

[Homeskillet]

    Ah, interesting little tidbit there that I did not notice before.Phara Dar and Trakanon were mates, and Harla Dar is the mother of Phara Dar, which means that Venekor is the grandson of Harla Dar. Might explain a bit of his uppityness within the ranks of the Awakened.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Homeskillet wrote:<BR>    Ah, interesting little tidbit there that I did not notice before.<BR><BR>Phara Dar and Trakanon were mates, and Harla Dar is the mother of Phara Dar, which means that Venekor is the grandson of Harla Dar. Might explain a bit of his uppityness within the ranks of the Awakened.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Except that Venekor and Trakanon have no relation...

[NocteBla]

Darathar = Captain Varlos?!can you provide links or something to prove this? I just (finally) finished Deception today and I was never made aware of this.<div></div>

[Homeskillet]

    Actually Cusa, Venekor is Trakanon's proud, boastful, and jealous son.<div></div>

[RPZip]

<div></div>It may have been a blessing in disguise that Luclin was destroyed. However bad the Shattering was, it could have been much worse if Luclin were... say... a little closer to Norrath? ---"Some who claim to have been to the Plane of Sky long ago agreed it looked like what they saw there, but who can say for certain? The planes play tricks on the eyes, and nothing may be what it appears. [b]<b>If it was Luclin, it was not as distant as many thought</b>."---(Tome vol. 10)I can't dig up the exact quote, but I remember a developer talking about the Vah Shir "fighting bravely when the end came". Now... if you'll imagine a Planar invasion (eventually) beating back the legions of adventurers and Vah Shir defensive forces on the moon after generations of fighting and beginning an effort to move Luclin, now essentiallly an enormous shrapnel grenade, towards Norrath itself before detonating it... and the destruction of Luclin may have been a GOOD thing, at least compared to what would have happened had it moved any closer to Norrath before detonating.<div></div><p>Message Edited by RPZip on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 AM</span>

[NocteBla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:    Actually Cusa, Venekor is Trakanon's proud, boastful, and jealous son.<div></div><hr></blockquote>That's only speculation. Find proof (not a vague developer hint that *could* be read as this) that this is the case and I'll eat my words.</div>

[Homeskillet]

    I always kind of assumed, considering there were not many poison dragons around. We know Trakanon had a mate, and then I discovered in the Prima Guide for KoS when reading about the Halls of Seeing that Venekor is indeed Trakanon's son.<div></div>

[Ama]

<DIV><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10451&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>Here</a> is a link to the post I created about the Power of Dragons.  Dragons are very interesting creatures in their own right because they deffinately have abilities that we mere mortals cannot understand.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do believe that dragons have a more advanced form of illusion that we would term shapeshifting.  This ability allows them to "Morph, disguise, or if you will shift" their shapes allowing them to become any other type of race they might want.  I think the real controversy of this revolves around Darathar himself where it is believed he is the captain on the ship you first appear on.  It is proven though he is The Sage of Ages when he appears before you taking the prismatic egg.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kerafyrm so far is the only prismatic dragon to come into existance that I have seen so far/heard of.  I don't know if Nagafen truely cares about those eggs he has in his possession.  The reason I say that is he wasn't too infuriated when it turns out the egg gets destroyed and he only cared about it not belonging to another dragon other than himself or Vox.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing I must ask though is what about Nagafen's Beloved Lady Vox? I mean he says we did not truely ressurect her yet we see her in that chamber when we use the essences of heart, mind and body.  I wonder if Lady Vox will truely come back and possibly be freed from her prison along with nagafen to become a true threat to Norrath.</DIV>

[Rezikai]

<P>Hmmm.. the captian was Darathar..... now wait.. im slightly confused, I thought that the Baron guy would be Darathar...</P> <P>He's since been removed from the 2 newer Isles of Refuge but something sat oddly with him,.. if i remember he had alligned with both the Far seas trading company and the Sea fury buccaneers,  he had a deep dead toned voice when we spoke to him, (he stood out in front of the IoR tavern along with captain varlos)...</P> <P>Eh maybe im mistaken...</P><p>Message Edited by Porkchop133 on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:19 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>If Venekor was Trakanon's son (which I believe Moorgard confirmed he isn't), then why would he steal ancient armors and weapons from him?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not very respectful for his father.</DIV>

[VizP]

Just a quick post that I dont want to take credit for the OP content at all - those two sections.. the two colours are posts by other posters from quite a while back - Im afraid I do not have a record of their names since the text was pasted into Word and then I later realised it would benefit others if I pasted all of that here. I thank them for all the research they did and if it was you responsible for the post or you know who it was, do post here so they get the recognition they deserve <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:   I always kind of assumed, considering there were not many poison dragons around. We know Trakanon had a mate, and then I discovered in the Prima Guide for KoS when reading about the Halls of Seeing that Venekor is indeed Trakanon's son.<div></div><hr></blockquote>It gets kinda confusing because they're both refered to as poison dragons, but they're actually two different types.  Venekor is a dragon born with the ability to breathe poisonous gas, simple as that.  Trakanon, on the other hand, is a poison dragn because he's undead.  When he was alive he was something called a sky dragon, I don't know hat type of breath weapon that would be</div>

[RaphaNissi]

<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12707&query.id=451069#M12707" target=_blank>This</a> must be the post refered to earlier in this thread.  He doesn't mention who the father is or isn't but that the lineage should be revealed....to be continued once again.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12707&query.id=451069#M12707" target=_blank>This</A> must be the post refered to earlier in this thread.  He doesn't mention who the father is or isn't but that the lineage should be revealed....to be continued once again.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Either way, If I remember correctly, it's still part of draconian law that no dragon shall ever steal from another dragon. Especially his own kin, and Venekor has priceless artifacts taken from Trakanon himself.

[Homeskillet]

    Yes, and I believe Moorgard also stated that Venekor has alot to hide. Also, its unknown wether Trakanon is alive or dead.  Venekor inherited his father's ability of seeing possible futures, hence why the Lizardmen in Cazic Thule refer to him as "The Seeing One" to properly differentiate from their patron god, "The Faceless One". Venekor has struggled in his position within the ranks of the Sleeper's servants because he has forseen that he will rule over all dragonkind, wether he accepts this as a definate or possible future is unknown, but his actions lead towards the former. This is why he is holed up in his Lair; The Halls of Seeing, in Tenebrous tangle, with so many guardians and wards protecting him from being discovered. Venekor has taken from many dragons, not just his father, and it is because of that law that he likely remains so secluded and secretive. Its not silly to think Venekor is the only one doing this though, as we have seen, just between the four leaders of the Awakened, there are different machinations going on. Also, we saw Darathar steal from Nagafen, and has Nagafen been the most honest of dragons? This is aside from the fact that draconian law had close ties to Veeshan who is no longer worshipped by the dragons of the Overrealm, and as we all can see, with the Awakened worshipping the product of one of the most sacred of laws being broken, we can assume petty thieving is not beneath them.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Trak'anon is Undead, actually. (which leads me to question how he's capable of reproducing).</DIV>

[Homeskillet]

    He wasn't always undead.<div></div>

[MoD1133]

<P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccff99>"<FONT color=#0000ff>These first dragons, the first brood, whose like shall never again be seen upon Norrath, immediately set to work in their civilization. In the far west of the continent they built a great Temple to Veeshan, and some time later the dragon known as Yelinak led a group eastward and built the Skyshrine</FONT>. Over time the dragon kin, lesser children of Veeshan, came forth: drakes, wurms, wyverns, and racnars, and the children of Veeshan continued to expand. In order to hold their realm together, the dragons established a high council to serve as the head of the brood, and at the head of this council and arch priest who would serve as the speaker for Veeshan on Norrath. To this postion was elected Kildrukaun the Black, and under his lead the dragons prospered. In this time the dragons developed many of the crafts of Norrath, the most prominent being magic, which many of them became obsessed with."</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></P> <HR> <BR>Actually all the dragons were first from the city of Skyshrine and Yelinak was their king and some time later many of the dragons had decided that they would like to inhabit other areas within Velious and so many of them left Yelinak behind in Skyshrine. <P></P> <HR> <P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccffff>All of the Dragons on the opening screen are followers of Kerafyrm, aka, the Sleeper, which would explain his new title: the Awakened.  Kerafyrm is (at least to date) the only known Prismatic Dragon, born to two dragons of opposing elements, thus creating a kind of super dragon.  Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Talendor, and Lord Vyemm, without a doubt, view Kerafyrm as a god, and have lead their Droag minions to believe as much.  Kerafyrm has apparently promised that he would lead them to the elimination of the weaker races (following in the foot steps of his mentor, who, oddly enough, was the most vehemently opposed to the creation of a Prismatic Dragon...at least before one was created), <FONT color=#0000ff>his mentor being Kildrukaun</FONT>, I have a real bad time with names, so please forgive the spelling errors.  His mentor (at least back in the day, haven't heard much about him in this expansion) viewed Kerafyrm as a GIFT from Veeshan, something of a prophetic hero who would unite all wurm-kind together, and wipe away the blemish of the second born, ie, elves, giants, trolls, ogres, goblins, dwarves, gnomes, orcs, and pretty much any other race not created by Veeshan.<BR></FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> <P><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#ffffff>Kildrukaun was never mentioned as</FONT> <FONT color=#ffffff>Kerafyrms mentor, Kildrukaun indirectly oversaw the training that was given to Kerafyrm and it wasn't till later that he met the young prismatic directly. </FONT></FONT></P> <HR> <P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccff99>In the days of Kerafyrm's youth, the dragon Jaled Dar began to speak openly against the council in its decisions. He was discontent with the silent life of research (of magic, which most dragons did at the time) on the frozen wastelands, seeing that the dragons should have control over all of Norrath and be a mighty empire. <FONT color=#0000ff>For Jaled Dar, as well as many others, foresaw the coming of lesser races and gods to Norrath</FONT>, and knew that they would become a threat to the dragons if no action was taken to expand over the world now. Kildrukaun would not yield to Jaled Dar and forbid him to leave the continent, but his discontent grew silently...<BR><BR> </FONT><BR></P> <HR> <P>Jaled Dar and some of the other dragons never forsaw the coming of the other race to Norrath. When the second generation was first created a group of dragons lead by Jaled Dar believed that since the dragons were much more powerful and wise they should control these new beings on Norrath as there slaves and servents.</P> <HR> <P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccff99>The following chaos caused Jaled Dar to take action. He and the followers (Including his daughter, Phara Dar, and Trakanon) that had joined him departed Velious and flew to Kunark. There they established themselves as the Ring of Scale, and from that time forth the dragons were divided.<FONT color=#0000ff> Kildrukaun was furious, but in light of the war against the giants he could not afford to wage battle against the Ring of Scale as well</FONT>. The giants had already spread out acorss the eastern part of Velious, focused at their city Kael Drakkal, and the war grew fiercer.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> <P>Kildrukaun was furious indeed but he wanted to wage war against both the ring of scale and the giants in a two front war with Kerafyrm as the general leading the Claws of Veeshan into battle against the Ring of Scale and capturing their mountain fortress known as veeshans Peak fulfilling the prophecy of Kerafyrm (Kildrukaun believed Kerafyrm was the prophecized one that would unite the ring of scale and claws of veeshan). However it was the Elder council of dragons that dismissed Kildrukauns bidding for the war against the ring of scale because they didn't want to loosen there fronts against the armies of Kael drakkel. Kildrukaun was furious that he was rejected and slowly over many years he pulled 3 very powerful and wise dragons to his side who were Tjudawos a very intellectual scholar among the dragons and a council member(it was a bit hard for Kildrukaun to sway Tjudawos to his side and it wasn't after many arguments that he finally started to see things Kildrukauns way), he also got his daughter Vyskudra to his side and was able to get Zeixi'Kar a mighty general and also a council member.</P> <HR> <P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccff99>During this time Kerafyrm came to full age, and immediately joined in the battle against the giants. He quickly proved himself to be an uncontested warrior in combat, and later a tactical mastermind as one of the generals of the Draconic army, rival to Zeixshi`Kar himself. Kildrukaun supported him in everything that he did, believing that Kerafyrm would lead the dragons to victory over the giants and would reunite the Brood, and the Prismatic gained leadership over thousands. But as time passed, it became apparent that Kerafyrm was becoming corrupted by this power. His heart became darkened, and </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>he began to plot rebellion. It became known that Kerafyrm planned to overthrow the Council and take up as the sole ruler of dragonkind, and gathered up a secret army of his own, his disciples. These were mostly younger dragons whose hearts were easier to corrupt.<BR></FONT><BR></P> <HR> <P>Kerayfyrm became a mighty general and after he gained tons of fame among the dragons for his bravery and power in battle he gained a lot of respect from many dragons. Soon he started barking orders at everyone. He even had his own personal lair built in the middle of the mountains known as Kerafyrm lair(later called the sleepers tomb), and he became very power hungry, the once respected dragon known as Kerafyrm became a fearful power hungry dictator, he even disregarded the influence the Elder Council had which was the ruling body of the Claws of Veeshan and dragons everywhere feared that if they didn't do what Kerafyrm said they would be punished in some Horrible way so it was decided in a council meeting that Kerafyrm would be terminated, Kildrukaun was present at the council meeting when it was decided it was best if Kerafyrm would be terminated as a threat. Kildrukaun was furious and him and his three buddies that he pulled to his side immediatly informed Kerafyrm and there was a short battle in which the forces of Kerafyrm were greatly outnumbered by the army of the Claws of Veeshan and he was defeated but they could not seem to kill him by means unknown so it was ordered that he would be put to sleep and kept that way by the four most powerful dragons <FONT color=#ffffff>Hraashna, Nanzata, Tukaarak, and Ventani. These 4 dragons mated before they would put Kerafyrm to sleep because the elder council had known this was only a temporary measure to keep kerafyrm back and that the offsprings would later be needed. So they took Kerafyrm to his very lair and put him to sleep there.</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> <P>VizP wrote:</P> <P><FONT color=#ccff99> It is known that the beliefs of a dragon call for them to have no material desire left in this world upon their death, so that they may pass freely and unregretfully to be with Veeshan. It is their desire to have no desire, one could say. But Jaled Dar's spirit was much troubled upon his death on Kunark. He believed that his daughter, <FONT color=#0000ff>Phara Dar, and her mate Trakanon</FONT>, had plotted his death so that they could assume rule over the Ring of Scale. Thus he died with burning hatred, and his spirit passed not out of this world but instead back to Velious. There it found a dwelling in the depths of the Necropolis, where the remains of all dragons are taken. Jaled Dar had become hateful of the entire world and everything in it, and plotted a way to gain his revenge upon them all. However, as a shade of his former being he could not directly do such a thing. Laying in the Necropolis, Jaled Dar recalled the dragon once known as Kerafyrm, still imprisoned in his eternal slumber. There was his means to accomplish his revenge, to unleash that wrathful and most powerful creature upon the world, and he would be unstoppable and destroy everything in his blind fury.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> <P>It has never really been mentioned anywhere that Phara Dar's mate was Trakanon.</P> <P> </P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:   He wasn't always undead.<div></div><hr></blockquote>And he wasn't always a poison dragon.  If Venekor is Trak's son, he would be the type of dragon that Trak was in life</div>

[Homeskillet]

    Well then is Venekor specifically a poison dragon? or does he just have a noxious breath ability?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Homeskillet wrote:<BR>   He wasn't always undead.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>And he wasn't always a poison dragon.  If Venekor is Trak's son, he would be the type of dragon that Trak was in life<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Aye. Most dragons *MOST DRAGONS* visually reflect thier element. Darathar obviously being one such exception. He's unusually larger than most dragons and he is a fire element. Trakanon's blue skin indicates he was probably an ice or water dragon back when he was alive.</P> <P> </P> <P>And yes, Venekor is a Poison dragon by birth.</P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:37 PM</span>

[Ama]

<DIV>Well I do remember the one story that someone posted in the thread about Sky Dragons.  Sky Dragons were very unusual dragons and if more than one exist within norrath two scenarios would be played out.  A.) if they ever encountered each other they would have to fight to the death since there only could be 1 sky dragon, and B.) upon being born the other sky dragon would automatically know there was another of his same type was born and would have to destroy him.  However that story kinda goes against the quote "Dragon Code" I believe set forth by the ring of scale as it were. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dragons are fickeld things in EQ2 with the power to help us, hurt us or help us one moment and kill us another.  Such is the case with Darathar when he quote "Found it was advantagous that I found you that day and saved you" leading some to think he was the salty sea captain on the ship. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that I know little about is that Kerafyrm is the only "known" prismatic dragon in existance.  I put known in quotes because we find out ol Nagafen has a stash of prismatic eggs when he mated with Vox.  Kerafyrm is also refered to as "The Sleeper" and in our time "The Awakened" since he has well awakened from his slumber.  The Sage of Ages also tells us that the great sleeper or Kerafyrm is the one who destroyed luclin.  A real problem is we have not seen Kerafyrm yet do we want to see him? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In game wise Nagafen is a level 100 epicx4 monstrosity who can beat the snot out of anyone.  Now Kerafyrm is rumored to be a big bad powerful dragon and I believe even the mighty Nagafen himself fears Kerafyrm's power.  Heck even the ring of scale believed him to be so immensely powerful they had to put him down/put him to sleep. </DIV>

[MoD1133]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well I do remember the one story that someone posted in the thread about Sky Dragons.  Sky Dragons were very unusual dragons and if more than one exist within norrath two scenarios would be played out.  A.) if they ever encountered each other they would have to fight to the death since there only could be 1 sky dragon, and B.) upon being born the other sky dragon would automatically know there was another of his same type was born and would have to destroy him.  However that story kinda goes against the quote "Dragon Code" I believe set forth by the ring of scale as it were. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dragons are fickeld things in EQ2 with the power to help us, hurt us or help us one moment and kill us another.  Such is the case with Darathar when he quote "Found it was advantagous that I found you that day and saved you" leading some to think he was the salty sea captain on the ship. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that I know little about is that Kerafyrm is the only "known" prismatic dragon in existance.  I put known in quotes because we find out ol Nagafen has a stash of prismatic eggs when he mated with Vox.  Kerafyrm is also refered to as "The Sleeper" and in our time "The Awakened" since he has well awakened from his slumber.  The Sage of Ages also tells us that the great sleeper or Kerafyrm is the one who destroyed luclin.  A real problem is we have not seen Kerafyrm yet do we want to see him? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In game wise Nagafen is a level 100 epicx4 monstrosity who can beat the snot out of anyone.  Now Kerafyrm is rumored to be a big bad powerful dragon and I believe even the mighty Nagafen himself fears Kerafyrm's power.  Heck even the ring of scale believed him to be so immensely powerful they had to put him down/put him to sleep. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes that was me, it was actually the storm dragon that was suppose to be one of a kind. The code to never harm another dragon was set by the claws of veeshan/ring of scale when they were one and the faction that put kerafyrm down were the claws of veeshan.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Please stop using a monster's level in EQ2's game mechanics as a basis for thier actual level of strength from a lore perspective.</DIV>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Please stop using a monster's level in EQ2's game mechanics as a basis for thier actual level of strength from a lore perspective.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have to use it in some respects so I can give people who arn't super lore savy a foot hold as to the incredible power between the two dragons.  :smileywink:</P> <P>I mean you know that Kerafyrm is an incredible powerful being and that is seen when he goes up destroying luclin.  My question is did he have to use half his power or was this thing so incredibly powerful he just breathed on the planet into its core destroying it from the inside out?</P>

[Emerix]

<DIV>as said before he rammed it .. or not ?<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Please stop using a monster's level in EQ2's game mechanics as a basis for thier actual level of strength from a lore perspective.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have to use it in some respects so I can give people who arn't super lore savy a foot hold as to the incredible power between the two dragons.  :smileywink:</P> <P>I mean you know that Kerafyrm is an incredible powerful being and that is seen when he goes up destroying luclin.  My question is did he have to use half his power or was this thing so incredibly powerful he just breathed on the planet into its core destroying it from the inside out?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Trakanon is rumored to have mated with Phara'Dar, daughter of Jaled'Dar and Harla'Dar. Neither of these were poison elemental dragons. Any offspring from Trakanon would have to be his elemental type (which escapes me at the moment), or a prismatic if he mated with another dragon of an opposing element. So, in essence, he can't be Venekor's father.</DIV> <DIV>I believe that one of Venekor's parents WAS confirmed by a dev, though. That would be his mother, who was the poison dragon in Toxxulia in EQOA. I never played that game, so I dunno who that was and can't recall the name :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Dragonreal]

Toxx (I'm pretty sure the dragon itself was called toxxulia) was a poison dragon found in south toxxulia on odus in eqoa's only expansion... I wasn't big on lore back when I played so idk much of the lore from back then sadly, but I do remember fighting toxx a couple times and also that it was a pita to catch her up heh Not much help, I know but I will say it's nice to see something I remember from that game being directly linked to something in this game =) seeing all the eq1 ppl able to recognize this that or the other that happened in eq1 made me kinda sad cuz there didn't seem to be much that went back to eqoa hehe

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonrealms wrote:<BR> Toxx (I'm pretty sure the dragon itself was called toxxulia) was a poison dragon found in south toxxulia on odus in eqoa's only expansion... I wasn't big on lore back when I played so idk much of the lore from back then sadly, but I do remember fighting toxx a couple times and also that it was a pita to catch her up heh Not much help, I know but I will say it's nice to see something I remember from that game being directly linked to something in this game =) seeing all the eq1 ppl able to recognize this that or the other that happened in eq1 made me kinda sad cuz there didn't seem to be much that went back to eqoa hehe<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here is the list from the Power of Dragons thread which hopefully has a list of all the dragons seen so far in the EQ time line.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Dragons Themselves:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Venekor: Poison</DIV> <DIV>Darathar: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Nagafen: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Vox: Ice</DIV> <DIV>Talendor: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Gorenair: Ice</DIV> <DIV>Harla Dar: ?</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zlandicar <FONT size=2>(DN only necromancer class dragon in EQ1 -outcast-)</FONT> - Disease based attack<BR>Sontalak <FONT size=2>(Western Wastes guards ToV ent -CoV-)</FONT> - Lava breath based attack<BR>Esorpa of The Ring<FONT size=2> (Western Wastes -RoS-)</FONT> - silence aoe attack<BR>Klandicar <FONT size=2>(Western Wastes -CoV-) </FONT>- frost based attack<BR>Lord Yelinak <FONT size=2>(Leader of CoV faction in Skyshrine)</FONT> - frost based attack<BR>Wuoshi <FONT size=2>(Waking Lands -CoV-)</FONT> - Poison based<BR>Severilous <FONT size=2>(Emerald Jungle -RoS-)</FONT> - Poison based attack<BR>Aarin`Dar <FONT size=2>(Plane of Valor)</FONT> - Looks identical to Kerafyrm, but is considered a glass dragon. Magic based attack<BR>Rydda`Dar <FONT size=2>(Halls of Honor)</FONT><BR>Druushk <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-)</FONT> - Lightning based attack<BR>Hoshkar - <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-) </FONT>- Disease based attack<BR>Xygoz <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-)</FONT><BR>Suled`Dar's Shade <FONT size=2>(Skyfire Mnts -RoS-)</FONT> - Electricity based attack<BR>Vulak`Aerr <FONT size=2>(Leader of Temple of Veeshan -CoV-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Kerafyrm: Prismatic Class (elements?)</DIV> <DIV>Siyamak: Ice (Silver Color) *Maybe Diseased Based*</DIV> <DIV>Barakah: Fire (Gold Color)</DIV> <DIV>Young Dragon: Magic</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Halls of fate</FONT><BR>-------------<BR>Sothis<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>KoS Spire event</FONT><BR>---------------<BR>Lashka<BR>Ordanach<BR>Exenka<BR>Phuertix<BR>Netshiava<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Lab of lord Vyemm</FONT><BR>-----------------<BR>Vyemm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Sanctum of the Scaleborn</FONT></DIV> <DIV>-----------------</DIV> <DIV>Cyanderos</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Palace of the awakened</FONT><BR>----------------------<BR>Drakknair</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Ravasect isle - Bonemire</FONT><BR>------------------------<BR>Do'Ellin</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Lavastorm</FONT><BR>---------<BR>Xyfl</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Temple of Scale</FONT><BR>---------------<BR>Harla Dar<BR>Vraksakin<BR>Pantrilla</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Ascent of the Awakened</FONT><BR>----------------------<BR>Talendor<BR>Gorenair<BR>Ireth</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Deathtoll</FONT><BR>-------<BR>Tarinax</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQOA/Frontiers Dragons</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>*Interesting Note from Moorguard:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Though not seen in any location currently accessible in our Norrath, the impact of Toxxulia's presence has been felt by those who have encountered her wayward child. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>*</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Vox</DIV> <DIV>Nagafen</DIV> <DIV>Skahyir - Located in Box Canyons (the desert dragon you mentioned), lightning-based.</DIV> <DIV>Siliskor - Spawned in Elephant Graveyard via a glitchy quest, disease-based I think.</DIV> <DIV>Toxxulia - Located in one of the Toxxulia zones, believe it or not. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0>Never fought her, but by the name I assume she's poisonous.</DIV> <DIV>Noroxus - On Plane of Disease. Never fought him either, but given the loc I'd guess he's disease/poison.</DIV> <DIV>Quintessence of Veeshan - On Plane of Sky.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3300ff><STRONG>Dragon Types:</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#3300ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Earth</DIV> <DIV>Wind</DIV> <DIV>Fire</DIV> <DIV>water *ice*</DIV> <DIV>Disease</DIV> <DIV>Poison</DIV> <DIV>Sky</DIV> <DIV>Storm</DIV> <DIV>Prismatic-The forbidden mating of 2 opposing elemental types aka Fire+Ice=Prismatic Nagafen/Vox's Forbidden mating.  Kerafyrm is the only known prismatic at the time with his parents being 2 opposing elements.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also look at the little note in red where it talks about what moorguard said. :smileywink:</DIV></DIV>

[hahn_ba]

<P>If Trakanon was a Sky Dragon, which has no element, but is instead gifted the ability of foresight, and he mated with Toxxulia, a poison dragon with noxious breath...</P> <P> </P> <P>wouldn't their offspring be a poison-breathed dragon with the ability to foresee the future?</P> <P> </P> <P>And isn't that what Venekor is? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, but then again, I don't need a dev to walk me around by the hand clarifying post after post. Reminds me of the Blizzard forums in here - BLUE PLZ RESPOND. </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>No. It'd be a Prismatic dragon like Kerafyrm.</DIV>

[Rezikai]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonrealms wrote:<BR> Toxx (I'm pretty sure the dragon itself was called toxxulia) was a poison dragon found in south toxxulia on odus in eqoa's only expansion... I wasn't big on lore back when I played so idk much of the lore from back then sadly, but I do remember fighting toxx a couple times and also that it was a pita to catch her up heh Not much help, I know but I will say it's nice to see something I remember from that game being directly linked to something in this game =) seeing all the eq1 ppl able to recognize this that or the other that happened in eq1 made me kinda sad cuz there didn't seem to be much that went back to eqoa hehe<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here is the list from the Power of Dragons thread which hopefully has a list of all the dragons seen so far in the EQ time line.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Dragons Themselves:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Venekor: Poison</DIV> <DIV>Darathar: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Nagafen: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Vox: Ice</DIV> <DIV>Talendor: Fire</DIV> <DIV>Gorenair: Ice</DIV> <DIV>Harla Dar: ?</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zlandicar <FONT size=2>(DN only necromancer class dragon in EQ1 -outcast-)</FONT> - Disease based attack<BR>Sontalak <FONT size=2>(Western Wastes guards ToV ent -CoV-)</FONT> - Lava breath based attack<BR>Esorpa of The Ring<FONT size=2> (Western Wastes -RoS-)</FONT> - silence aoe attack<BR>Klandicar <FONT size=2>(Western Wastes -CoV-) </FONT>- frost based attack<BR>Lord Yelinak <FONT size=2>(Leader of CoV faction in Skyshrine)</FONT> - frost based attack<BR>Wuoshi <FONT size=2>(Waking Lands -CoV-)</FONT> - Poison based<BR>Severilous <FONT size=2>(Emerald Jungle -RoS-)</FONT> - Poison based attack<BR>Aarin`Dar <FONT size=2>(Plane of Valor)</FONT> - Looks identical to Kerafyrm, but is considered a glass dragon. Magic based attack<BR>Rydda`Dar <FONT size=2>(Halls of Honor)</FONT><BR>Druushk <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-)</FONT> - Lightning based attack<BR>Hoshkar - <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-) </FONT>- Disease based attack<BR>Xygoz <FONT size=2>(Veeshan's Peak -RoS-)</FONT><BR>Suled`Dar's Shade <FONT size=2>(Skyfire Mnts -RoS-)</FONT> - Electricity based attack<BR>Vulak`Aerr <FONT size=2>(Leader of Temple of Veeshan -CoV-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Kerafyrm: Prismatic Class (elements?)</DIV> <DIV>Siyamak: Ice (Silver Color) *Maybe Diseased Based*</DIV> <DIV>Barakah: Fire (Gold Color)</DIV> <DIV>Young Dragon: Magic</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Halls of fate</FONT><BR>-------------<BR>Sothis<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>KoS Spire event</FONT><BR>---------------<BR>Lashka<BR>Ordanach<BR>Exenka<BR>Phuertix<BR>Netshiava<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Lab of lord Vyemm</FONT><BR>-----------------<BR>Vyemm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Sanctum of the Scaleborn</FONT></DIV> <DIV>-----------------</DIV> <DIV>Cyanderos</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Palace of the awakened</FONT><BR>----------------------<BR>Drakknair</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Ravasect isle - Bonemire</FONT><BR>------------------------<BR>Do'Ellin</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Lavastorm</FONT><BR>---------<BR>Xyfl</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Temple of Scale</FONT><BR>---------------<BR>Harla Dar<BR>Vraksakin<BR>Pantrilla</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Ascent of the Awakened</FONT><BR>----------------------<BR>Talendor<BR>Gorenair<BR>Ireth</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Deathtoll</FONT><BR>-------<BR>Tarinax</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQOA/Frontiers Dragons</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>*Interesting Note from Moorguard:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Though not seen in any location currently accessible in our Norrath, the impact of Toxxulia's presence has been felt by those who have encountered her wayward child. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>*</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Vox</DIV> <DIV>Nagafen</DIV> <DIV>Skahyir - Located in Box Canyons (the desert dragon you mentioned), lightning-based.</DIV> <DIV>Siliskor - Spawned in Elephant Graveyard via a glitchy quest, disease-based I think.</DIV> <DIV>Toxxulia - Located in one of the Toxxulia zones, believe it or not. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0>Never fought her, but by the name I assume she's poisonous.</DIV> <DIV>Noroxus - On Plane of Disease. Never fought him either, but given the loc I'd guess he's disease/poison.</DIV> <DIV>Quintessence of Veeshan - On Plane of Sky.</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Aiyonar(sp) - Snow Chain dragon of PoSky... cold based i think..</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3300ff><STRONG>Dragon Types:</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#3300ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Earth</DIV> <DIV>Wind</DIV> <DIV>Fire</DIV> <DIV>water *ice*</DIV> <DIV>Disease</DIV> <DIV>Poison</DIV> <DIV>Sky</DIV> <DIV>Storm</DIV> <DIV>Prismatic-The forbidden mating of 2 opposing elemental types aka Fire+Ice=Prismatic Nagafen/Vox's Forbidden mating.  Kerafyrm is the only known prismatic at the time with his parents being 2 opposing elements.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also look at the little note in red where it talks about what moorguard said. :smileywink:</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>oh... and somone should write some lore on <EM><FONT color=#cccc66><STRONG>Siliskor</STRONG></FONT></EM>... his quest was great .. info on the dragon cultist humans that raised him until he revolted against them and slain the cult.. and took his place of comfort in the Elephants graveyard... <BR>

[MoD1133]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hahn_bard wrote:<BR> <P>If Trakanon was a Sky Dragon, which has no element, but is instead gifted the ability of foresight, and he mated with Toxxulia, a poison dragon with noxious breath...</P> <P> </P> <P>wouldn't their offspring be a poison-breathed dragon with the ability to foresee the future?</P> <P> </P> <P>And isn't that what Venekor is? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, but then again, I don't need a dev to walk me around by the hand clarifying post after post. Reminds me of the Blizzard forums in here - BLUE PLZ RESPOND. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How do you know Sky dragons have no element? where does it say that? Where does it say Sky dragons are gifted with foresight. Where does it say Trakanon himself was a sky dragon? </P> <P>Trakanon was a blue dragon, yes but he was never mentioned as a sky dragon. Blue dragons dont have to be sky dragons. It could be possible that Trakanon was always a poison dragon even before he turned undead.<BR></P>

[Homeskillet]

    The key has always been opposing elements. Fire and Ice are clearly apposing......but what if some of the elements are complimentary?<div></div>

[Jait]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Homeskillet wrote:<BR>   The key has always been opposing elements. Fire and Ice are clearly apposing......but what if some of the elements are complimentary?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yup, I agree.  It's been worded very carefully and almost always the word "Opposing" is used.  I see posts where people say "Different" colors, but have never seen that backed up in Lore or by a Dev post. </P> <P> </P> <P>It definitely needs some clarification.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jait wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Homeskillet wrote:<BR>   The key has always been opposing elements. Fire and Ice are clearly apposing......but what if some of the elements are complimentary?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yup, I agree.  It's been worded very carefully and almost always the word "Opposing" is used.  I see posts where people say "Different" colors, but have never seen that backed up in Lore or by a Dev post. </P> <P> </P> <P>It definitely needs some clarification.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If two dragons are different elements, then they're Opposing elements regardless of how logical it may sound for poison and disease to go together. (example)

[VizP]

Then there would have been no need for the use of the word 'opposing' if every single different element is automatically 'opposing'. That would automatically make that adjective completely redundant YET it was used. Thus that means that statement is simply incorrect... every single element is NOT automatically opposing at all, only certain are.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>all the same, it is forbidden for any dragons of two different elements to mate. Even if the elements are "similar" like disease and poison, they're still opposites, like disease and poison.</DIV>

[Ama]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>all the same, it is forbidden for any dragons of two different elements to mate. Even if the elements are "similar" like disease and poison, they're still opposites, like disease and poison.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>However if you start along those lines Cusashorn and the two dragons mate you have to wonder about the prismatic child that comes.  The prismatic dragon baby does it have immense power or does it have immense power as well as the 2 abilities of its mother/father that created it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still don't know what two dragons mated that caused Kerafyrm the first prismatic dragon to come about.  You also must wonder about those some odd numbered prismatic eggs Lord Naggy has kept safely inside his chamber.  Does he desire to rule all dragon kind unleashing a wave of unstopable monsters or is there something more to his plan?</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>all the same, it is forbidden for any dragons of two different elements to mate. Even if the elements are "similar" like disease and poison, they're still opposites, like disease and poison.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>However if you start along those lines Cusashorn and the two dragons mate you have to wonder about the prismatic child that comes.  The prismatic dragon baby does it have immense power or does it have immense power as well as the 2 abilities of its mother/father that created it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still don't know what two dragons mated that caused Kerafyrm the first prismatic dragon to come about.  You also must wonder about those some odd numbered prismatic eggs Lord Naggy has kept safely inside his chamber.  Does he desire to rule all dragon kind unleashing a wave of unstopable monsters or is there something more to his plan?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For the record, <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6448" target=_blank>Dozekar the Cursed </A> (Notice the THUNDER blast attack), aptly named because his curse for his crime is to be killed off by adventurers in the eastern wing of the Temple of Veeshan, then brought back to life and done all over again, and another dragon who was never revealed or named are the parents of Kerafyrm.</P> <P>Kerafyrm himself showed no apparent traits of either parent dragon. He was just really REALY powerful. He had the ability to proc a Death Touch on you with his melee attacks (just in case his Quad attacks for 7999, 7999, 7999, and 7999 didn't kill you first.)</P> <P> </P> <P>As for Nagafen's plan, it's still too shrouded in mystery to tell just exactly what he's trying to accomplish.</P>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>all the same, it is forbidden for any dragons of two different elements to mate. Even if the elements are "similar" like disease and poison, they're still opposites, like disease and poison.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>However if you start along those lines Cusashorn and the two dragons mate you have to wonder about the prismatic child that comes.  The prismatic dragon baby does it have immense power or does it have immense power as well as the 2 abilities of its mother/father that created it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still don't know what two dragons mated that caused Kerafyrm the first prismatic dragon to come about.  You also must wonder about those some odd numbered prismatic eggs Lord Naggy has kept safely inside his chamber.  Does he desire to rule all dragon kind unleashing a wave of unstopable monsters or is there something more to his plan?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For the record, <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6448" target=_blank>Dozekar the Cursed </A> (Notice the THUNDER blast attack), aptly named because his curse for his crime is to be killed off by adventurers in the eastern wing of the Temple of Veeshan, then brought back to life and done all over again, and another dragon who was never revealed or named are the parents of Kerafyrm.</P> <P>Kerafyrm himself showed no apparent traits of either parent dragon. He was just really REALY powerful. He had the ability to proc a Death Touch on you with his melee attacks (just in case his Quad attacks for 7999, 7999, 7999, and 7999 didn't kill you first.)</P> <P> </P> <P>As for Nagafen's plan, it's still too shrouded in mystery to tell just exactly what he's trying to accomplish.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yup I mean after acomplishing the quest it seems Lord Nagafen really doesn't care that the prismatic egg was destroyed.  He only cared that someone other than him may have held its power for themselves.  Something is a miss here however and it makes me wonder if Nagafen truelly fears Kerafyrm or if he just wants him out of the picture.  I mean Nagafen can concievably have a nest of those prismatic bad boys however Kerafyrm is a fully developed Prismatic Dragon that could possibly kill the baby Prismatic with one swipe. </P> <P>This deffinately makes me believe that it takes several decades for the true powers of a dragon to emerge and as the grow older they grow even more powerful.  I mean has there ever been a dragon that has died from old age?  What is the actual longevity of a dragon anyways?</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Dragons are Immortal. they can't die of old age.</DIV>

[MoD1133]

Dragons are immortal but they sometimes feel that there is no need to continue existence upon norrath anymore so they jump into the fires of the dragon necropolis, just like what Klandicar did, he got too old and didn't believe he could learn anything new so he decided he would head to the dragon necropolis and into the pit of fire.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MoD1133 wrote:<BR> Dragons are immortal but they sometimes feel that there is no need to continue existence upon norrath anymore so they jump into the fires of the dragon necropolis, just like what Klandicar did, he got too old and didn't believe he could learn anything new so he decided he would head to the dragon necropolis and into the pit of fire.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Couldn't have used a better example myself.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MoD1133 wrote:<BR> Dragons are immortal but they sometimes feel that there is no need to continue existence upon norrath anymore so they jump into the fires of the dragon necropolis, just like what Klandicar did, he got too old and didn't believe he could learn anything new so he decided he would head to the dragon necropolis and into the pit of fire.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't know MoD I think dragons have a set life limit per say but it is so long that the races of Norrath cannot live to see a dragon truely die of old age. </P> <P>Dragons are deffinately one of the most mysterious creatures/races I have ever seen within the realm of Norrath itself.  I don't know of another race off the top of my head that has more of a mystery to it. </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MoD1133 wrote:<BR> Dragons are immortal but they sometimes feel that there is no need to continue existence upon norrath anymore so they jump into the fires of the dragon necropolis, just like what Klandicar did, he got too old and didn't believe he could learn anything new so he decided he would head to the dragon necropolis and into the pit of fire.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't know MoD I think dragons have a set life limit per say but it is so long that the races of Norrath cannot live to see a dragon truely die of old age. </P> <P>Dragons are deffinately one of the most mysterious creatures/races I have ever seen within the realm of Norrath itself.  I don't know of another race off the top of my head that has more of a mystery to it. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No no. That's official. The Dragons are immortal. They can't die of old age, so in the far back region of the Dragon Necropolis in Velious is a giant fire pit inhabated by natural fire elementals that keep the fires burning so hot that if a dragon wishes to end his life, he can just jump in and his body and bones will be incinerated to ashes within a matter of seconds.

[Ama]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MoD1133 wrote:<BR> Dragons are immortal but they sometimes feel that there is no need to continue existence upon norrath anymore so they jump into the fires of the dragon necropolis, just like what Klandicar did, he got too old and didn't believe he could learn anything new so he decided he would head to the dragon necropolis and into the pit of fire.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't know MoD I think dragons have a set life limit per say but it is so long that the races of Norrath cannot live to see a dragon truely die of old age. </P> <P>Dragons are deffinately one of the most mysterious creatures/races I have ever seen within the realm of Norrath itself.  I don't know of another race off the top of my head that has more of a mystery to it. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No no. That's official. The Dragons are immortal. They can't die of old age, so in the far back region of the Dragon Necropolis in Velious is a giant fire pit inhabated by natural fire elementals that keep the fires burning so hot that if a dragon wishes to end his life, he can just jump in and his body and bones will be incinerated to ashes within a matter of seconds.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very interesting I must say, so dragons have immortal life but not "true immortality" where they cannot be killed in any manner.  The only dragon that was spoken of that has this done to them as punishment is the one dragon who violated the dragon code. </DIV>

[CrazedMut]

Immortal isn't the same thing as invulnerable/invincible. Immortal means you have an infinite natural lifespan (you don't age). You can still die if someone decapitates you though <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Invincible/Invulnerable both mean you cannot be harmed, and thus cannot be killed. (Kinda like Superman minus the Kryptonite). As such Dragons are Immortal, but they can still be killed (Vox for example).<div></div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>CrazedMutha wrote:Immortal isn't the same thing as invulnerable/invincible. Immortal means you have an infinite natural lifespan (you don't age). You can still die if someone decapitates you though <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.Invincible/Invulnerable both mean you cannot be harmed, and thus cannot be killed. (Kinda like Superman minus the Kryptonite). As such Dragons are Immortal, but they can still be killed (Vox for example).<hr></blockquote>Actually, the 2nd meaning is the "original" meaning of Immortal, and what you'll find in virtually all dictionaries. Eternal Youth/vigor, but still able to be killed, is NOT immortality. Literally, immortal means "Not subject to death" (dictionary.com, and wiktionary), not "eternal youth, but can be killed".Yes we usually say immortal when we mean not aging, but strictly speaking, that's not what the word means.

[CrazedMut]

Yeah I was basing it off the current useage. For example the Elves in LOTR are described as Immortal, but that don't stop em dying at The Battle of Helms Deep (Film Version) unless Immortality was only achieved in Valinor, not sure.<div></div>

[Brailyn]

<P>I still say that Vulak`Aerr is the best dragon ever.</P> <P>2cp</P>