When did the elves ruin their land?

[Ilavatar]

<DIV>In the Elven realms and other places in EQ1 the NPCs like Orcs would say "you've ruined your land, you'll not ruin mine!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Elvish areas always seemed rather nice to me (well, except for those land-ruining Orcs!) When did the Elves ever ruin the land?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[troodon]

<P>Well, if the citizens of Takish'Hiz hadn't made such an astounding little empire it never would have gotten Solusek Ro angry.  Those Orcs and Gnolls are afraid of Elves and Humans and other races because they will bring progress, and these more primitive races are afraid of progress because a god might smite their land.  It's all very simple :smileytongue:</P> <P>I think the better question is why lizardmen always call my Iksar a "softskin".  Talk about an insult :smileysad:</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilavatar wrote:<BR> <DIV>In the Elven realms and other places in EQ1 the NPCs like Orcs would say "you've ruined your land, you'll not ruin mine!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Elvish areas always seemed rather nice to me (well, except for those land-ruining Orcs!) When did the Elves ever ruin the land?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Grass is always greener on the other side, remember?</P> <P> </P> <P>Or in the Orc's case, Browner. To them, Kelethin was a dump compaired to the paradise that was Crushbone.</P>

[Ama]

<DIV>I do have to agree that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or in this case of the race.  However I do believe that the dark elves may have "Ruined" or unleashed something upon their city.  In EQOA there was a great big door that was guarded by sentries and I have a feeling whatever may have been behind that door was unleashed upon the city. </DIV>

[Themaginator]

that door is where the king and queen were. Neriak was destroyed by asslings and a crazy necro about 1000 years after eqoa<div></div>

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilavatar wrote:<BR> <DIV>In the Elven realms and other places in EQ1 the NPCs like Orcs would say "you've ruined your land, you'll not ruin mine!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Elvish areas always seemed rather nice to me (well, except for those land-ruining Orcs!) When did the Elves ever ruin the land?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Grass is always greener on the other side, remember?</P> <P> </P> <P>Or in the Orc's case, Browner. To them, Kelethin was a dump compaired to the paradise that was Crushbone.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/sigh</P> <P>crushbone was always my favorite eq1 zone, i hope they do it justice in EoF</P>

[Ogrebe]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ilavatar wrote:<div>In the Elven realms and other places in EQ1 the NPCs like Orcs would say "you've ruined your land, you'll not ruin mine!"</div> <div> </div> <div>The Elvish areas always seemed rather nice to me (well, except for those land-ruining Orcs!) When did the Elves ever ruin the land?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>The orignal home of the elves was Ro, (which is now desert). It used to be a forested area until Solske ro (can't spell his name) dried the forest up (or something like that).. And the elves final fled to faydark.</div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ilavatar wrote:<div>In the Elven realms and other places in EQ1 the NPCs like Orcs would say "you've ruined your land, you'll not ruin mine!"</div> <div> </div> <div>The Elvish areas always seemed rather nice to me (well, except for those land-ruining Orcs!) When did the Elves ever ruin the land?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>The gnolls would tell me the same thing as a human.  I don't think it actually meant anything more than they just really hated you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</div>

[Ilavatar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ogrebear wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>The orignal home of the elves was Ro, (which is now desert). It used to be a forested area until Solske ro (can't spell his name) dried the forest up (or something like that).. And the elves final fled to faydark.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ah, thanks! That's what I was looking for. Any idea where I can find more info on this? That must explain why I've always like Ro so much. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Past-life memories. :smileyhappy:</P> <P> </P> <P>So then what did the humans do to ruin *their* land that got Fippy all bent out of shape?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Ardnahoy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Or in the Orc's case, Browner. To them, Kelethin was a dump compaired to the paradise that was Crushbone.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Crushbone was an abandoned elven outpost. The orcs didn't create it, rather, they were cornered by the elves and found refuge there. </P> <P>Orcs were never much good at creating things. In both EQ1 and 2, the only structures that I believe were created by orcs are the Citadel in Zek and camp in Eastern Wastes, although they very well may have just taken those over.</P>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Themaginator wrote:<BR>that door is where the king and queen were. Neriak was destroyed by asslings and a crazy necro about 1000 years after eqoa<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>asslings :smileyindifferent: oook if thats what their name was.  I do not know if that was to the king and queens chamber I mean even for the dark elves it was a bit elaborate when I entered their hostile home of Neriak. :smileywink:

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ardnahoy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Or in the Orc's case, Browner. To them, Kelethin was a dump compaired to the paradise that was Crushbone.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Crushbone was an abandoned elven outpost. The orcs didn't create it, rather, they were cornered by the elves and found refuge there. </P> <P>Orcs were never much good at creating things. In both EQ1 and 2, the only structures that I believe were created by orcs are the Citadel in Zek and camp in Eastern Wastes, although they very well may have just taken those over.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I never heard of that before. the EQ Atlas certainly doesn't mention such a thing.<BR>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Amana wrote:</P> <P><BR>asslings :smileyindifferent: oook if thats what their name was.  I do not know if that was to the king and queens chamber I mean even for the dark elves it was a bit elaborate when I entered their hostile home of Neriak. :smileywink:<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Whatever was behind the door isn't what was released upon Neriak to destroy it. A necromancer named Tserallith (whom you can fight the reincarnated version of in Vault of the Fallen) is responsible for that. During the combined raid on Neriak, she got the OK from Queen Thex to use a very powerful item (I *think* this is rumored to be the Hand of Byzola, one-half of the conjoined twins of Malice). Unfortunately, the Teir`dal didn't realize just how powerful this item was... hence the reason the current denizens of Neriak have all lost a bit of weight, and the city seriously needs a public beautification program.</P> <P>In any case, this wasn't done until long after EQ1. Back when the orcs were saying that, Neriak was a beautiful city to behold :smileyhappy:</P>

[Ogrebe]

It happened in The Lost ageyou can read the lore of the creation of norath here <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=EverQuest_1_Lore&eq2dailywiki_wiki__session=395f797f9c251622664a50f 4075b3ca3" target=_blank>http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=EverQuest_1_Lore&eq2dailywiki_wiki__session=395f797f9c251622664a50f 4075b3ca3</a><hr size="2" width="100%"><p>The last of the old races to decline was the empire of the Elves. </p><p>The Elddar Forest, the Elven realm of old, spread across the entire southeastern quarter of Tunaria. Tree communities and marble cities were built in the forest's clearings and meadows, their white towers and spires climbing out of the forest, higher than the tallest tree. </p><p>Legends say this prosperity drew the jealousy of Solusek Ro, Lord of Flame. He arched the spine of the serpent mountains, bringing heat from the burning sun to the ancient forest. </p><p>The rivers ran dry, it rained less each year, and while the great elven druids fought long and hard, using their powerful magics to combat the change, they could only delay the inevitable. </p><p>Slowly the forest gave way to desert, and eventually even the fair Elven city Takish-Hiz crumbled and the elves were forced to flee Tunaria, leaving much of their greatness behind. </p><hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh so the elves ruined thier own lands by letting Solusek Ro ruin it for them? HAH!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. The Orcs dont care about history. They dont keep thier own, so why would they remember something like that?</DIV>

[Ogrebe]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Oh so the elves ruined thier own lands by letting Solusek Ro ruin it for them? HAH!</div> <div> </div> <div>Besides. The Orcs dont care about history. They dont keep thier own, so why would they remember something like that?</div><hr></blockquote>The Orc remeber that because the Elves moved in close to them, and that there land was ruined.. So it kind of like a taunt.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>No. The orcs remember that the elves moved to Feydwere, and thats all.</DIV>

[Wilde_Night]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Amana wrote:</P> <P><BR>asslings :smileyindifferent: oook if thats what their name was.  I do not know if that was to the king and queens chamber I mean even for the dark elves it was a bit elaborate when I entered their hostile home of Neriak. :smileywink:<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Whatever was behind the door isn't what was released upon Neriak to destroy it. A necromancer named Tserallith (whom you can fight the reincarnated version of in Vault of the Fallen) is responsible for that. During the combined raid on Neriak, she got the OK from Queen Thex to use a very powerful item (I *think* this is rumored to be the Hand of Byzola, one-half of the conjoined twins of Malice). Unfortunately, the Teir`dal didn't realize just how powerful this item was... hence the reason the current denizens of Neriak have all lost a bit of weight, and the city seriously needs a public beautification program.</P> <P>In any case, this wasn't done until long after EQ1. Back when the orcs were saying that, Neriak was a beautiful city to behold :smileyhappy:</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Tseralith was male.  :smileywink:

[Wilde_Night]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh so the elves ruined thier own lands by letting Solusek Ro ruin it for them? HAH!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. The Orcs dont care about history. They dont keep thier own, so why would they remember something like that?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Erm.. Orcs care about their history.  There are collection quests and books you can get in game called things like <EM>The Bestest Orc Emperors</EM>.

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Ack! Pwned...</DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the correction :smileywink: Not sure why I always assumed Tserallith was female. I guess the thought of someone getting so angry that they go off and ruin the day of about 1000 people and destroy an entire city struck me as a female :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To answer the original post, I think the orcs just say that because they find the cities of Kelethin and Felwithe as unsightly or "ruined." In the eye of an orc, beauty (or atleast efficiency and progress) is represented by a barren wasteland patrolled by sentries and littered with the production of war-time supplies (e.g. Zek).</DIV><p>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:18 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wilde_Night wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh so the elves ruined thier own lands by letting Solusek Ro ruin it for them? HAH!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides. The Orcs dont care about history. They dont keep thier own, so why would they remember something like that?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Erm.. Orcs care about their history.  There are collection quests and books you can get in game called things like <EM>The Bestest Orc Emperors</EM>.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just one book that some Zek orc was smart enough to write. For the great majority of Norrath, Orc's don't care about anything but the present.