The Dismal rage

[Jal]

Does anyone have any good solid information on this group?I searched and found references to the rage making a pact with lucan granting him his powers and such but nothing that rounded about the operations and motives of the Dismal rage and its place in freeport and norrath as a whole.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>They're just the guild in Freeport composed of priests who dedicate themselves to worshipping the dark gods, basicly.</DIV>

[Lord Montague]

I think there certainly is some connection between the Dismal Rage and Lucan.  The Overlord of course was once a paladin of Marr, and where the Temple of War is now is what once was the Temple of Marr (cute little play on words there).

[vikingthug]

<FONT color=#ffff00>The Dismal Rage gives Lucan his powers?  Uh.....Cusa, can you shed some light on this?  From what I gathered his source of power is still a mystery, and his disdain of all the gods would probably make it a bit difficult for any priest hood to back him.  I dont know who is piping the power to old Lucan, but whomever it is, hasnt made an appearence yet, or Lucan has his own secret stash of gear from God knows where.</FONT>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vikingthug wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ffff00>The Dismal Rage gives Lucan his powers?  Uh.....Cusa, can you shed some light on this?  From what I gathered his source of power is still a mystery, and his disdain of all the gods would probably make it a bit difficult for any priest hood to back him.  I dont know who is piping the power to old Lucan, but whomever it is, hasnt made an appearence yet, or Lucan has his own secret stash of gear from God knows where.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sorry. I'm afraid I don't know too much about the mysteries behind the factions in Freeport, since I never play a character there. I still think that Lucan has control of his own powers, but I don't deny that the Dismal Rage is probably still involved someway or another.

[Vhalen]

<P>I see that some of you do not know much of the Dismal Rage. Here is a bit of information that may come in handy in choosing your sect when joining the church of the Dismal Rage:</P> <P>The Dismal Rage is an amalgamation of some of the darker religions of Norrath. It was not always this way. In the beginning, The Dismal Rage was comprised of disciples of hate. They were instrumental in the rise of Sir Lucan as supreme commander of Freeport. Unfortunately for them, Sir Lucan was not so appreciative. Sir Lucan rid Freeport, and Norrath, of most of the disciples of the Dismal Rage and destroyed their secret temple. Freeport babble says that Sir Lucan destroyed the Dismal Rage after they bestowed him with great powers to replace those that were stripped from his soul after falling from the grace of the gods of valor and love. No one knows if this is true, but that first incarnation of the Dismal Rage was destroyed. </P> <P>For whatever reason, Sir Lucan kept one member of the Dismal Rage alive. Xelha Nevagon was the only original member of the Dismal Rage left alive. Some believe that Sir Lucan was related to her in some ways and some even believed she was his consort. During this time, Sir Lucan rid Freeport of all religion. Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit. </P> <P>The Dismal Rage is a dark sinister order of the occult and what most Norrathians would call, dark religions. They worship all evil deities. This order is based on a strict doctrine following something called the Covenant of the Accursed, an ancient tome rumored to have been taken from the Plane of Knowledge or the first city of knowledge called Tanaan. </P> <P>There are 7 primary pantheons represented within this one religious organization. Each pantheon has a high priest that leads its individual flock. These 7 pantheons work together under the single director of the Dismal Rage, an appointed high priestess that must study all pantheons that are praised by the 7 sects. </P> <P>• Plane of Fear / Modinites: </P> <P>This sect pays homage to the pantheons of fear often referred to as the Thulian Gods. The last supreme deity of that pantheon was Cazic-Thule. They are named after the rumored name of the plane of fear, Modinthule. Priests are called Modinites and the sect leader is called a Thulian. </P> <P>• Plane of Hate / Ruuks: </P> <P>This sect pays homage to the gods of the plane of hate. Ruuks are named for a section of the plane of hate rumored to be the spawning pit of all creatures of hate, the Ruuk Abyss. The last known ruler of the pantheon of hate was Innorruuk. Priests are called Ruuks and the sect leader is called a Scronlord. </P> <P><BR>• Plane of War: / Drunds: </P> <P>This sect is the largest within the temple. It pays homage to the pantheons of the plane of war. The last known supreme commander of the gods of war was called Rallos Zek. The priests are called Drunds and the sect leader is called a Vindicator. The Drunds get thier name from a fortress of Zek located in the planes called Drunder. Rumor is that the Drunds are in possession of a powerful artifact taken from the planar fortress by adventurers during the Age of Turmoil. The Drunds just recently procurred the artifact during the latter half of the Age of Cataclysms. </P> <P>• Plane of Decay / Toxxulians: </P> <P>Toxxulians are a small sect, but a sect much avoided by the others. They worship the pantheon of the Plane of Decay. The last known ruler of decay was called Bertoxxulous. The sect does not bathe nor wear clean clothes. They prefer to have their garments and bodies wither away over time. Priests are called Toxxulians and the sect leader is called a Detrioxx. </P> <P>• Plane of Ocean / Kedgian: </P> <P>This sect worships the gods of the oceans. They have named themselves after a legendary extinct race of underwater dwellers. This race was said to be the greatest race on Norrath, a race hailing from the Plane of Ocean. The last known ruler of the gods of ocean was called Prexus. Priests of the sect are called Kedgian and the sect leader is called an Autropos. </P> <P>• Plane of Sun or Flame: Corilaxian: </P> <P>This sect worships the pantheon of the Plane of Flame. The last known ruler of that pantheon was called Solusek Ro. This sect is named after the rumored true name of the plane of flame. Priests are called Corilaxian and the sect leader is called a Ro. </P> <P>• Plane of Sky: Dracolyte: </P> <P>This sect worships the pantheon of the Plane of Sky and god of all dragonkind. This is the smallest of the sects not numbering more than 20 in total. They are new to the Dismal Rage and not particularly liked by the other castes. Their tributes to dragonkind are one thing that brings great animosity upon this mysterious caste. Priests are called Dracolytes and the sect leader is called the Scalelord.</P>

[Thax]

I find it a little odd that Prexus would be included with those other gods.  Considering that good-aligned Erudites made up the bulk of those who worshipped Prexus during the Age of Turmoil, it just doesn't seem to fit.  Also, I can't remember the exact story of the quest line in Sunken City, but there was some concern over worshippers of Prexus and a shrine.  I know these followers had hoped to flood the city, so the stigma attached to these people and the shrine seems just a little out of place with Prexus being one of the preffered gods for Freeport by Lucan himself.

[Wilin]

Where do I sign up?

[Nocturnal Aby]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>For whatever reason, Sir Lucan kept one member of the Dismal Rage alive. Xelha Nevagon was the only original member of the Dismal Rage left alive. Some believe that Sir Lucan was related to her in some ways and some even believed she was his consort. During this time, Sir Lucan rid Freeport of all religion. Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>First off, thank you very much for that, Vhalen!  Always good to know more about my home city!  I selected the quoate above, because I have a very important question.  In Everquest, Opal Darkbriar was the leader of the Dismal Rage, as well as one of the teachers in the Academy of Arcane Science, through the use of illusion.  In Everquest, the Dismal Rage was made up of not just priests, but shadow knights, necromancers, wizards, and most other classes, all of which worshipped Innorruuk.</P> <P>In Everquest 2, it was my understanding that  Opal Darkbriar is now the Foci, and leader of the Academy of Arcane Science.  I was wondering if it would be prudent to note that Lucan spared at least 2 members of the Dismal Rage?  It also seems that Opal Darkbriar has a LOT of pull in Lucan's Empire, but I'm sure that's another topic altogether.  Is it possible to get some clarification on this?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thax wrote:<BR> <P>I  I know these followers had hoped to flood the city, so the stigma attached to these people and the shrine seems just a little out of place with Prexus being one of the preffered gods for Freeport by Lucan himself.<BR></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>You are very correct in the entirety of your post!  That being said, when one looked at description of Prexus in the deity selection screen, it also said that many fishermen, merchents, sailors, and others who depend on the sea for their livelihood also follow Prexus.  As Freeport established itself as a trade city, it is little wonder that he would be followed, at least in some way, here.  Although they do have the problem with the ones who tried to sink Freeport as an offering to Prexus, I'm sure that a close eye is kept on them, as is kept on all others.  Afterall, the Rallosians, following the will of Rallos Zek, also tried to conquer the city.  I find it very hard to believe that the only ones among the Rallosians were ogres and orcs.  The Overlord has a way of keeping things in check in his city, and not the least of which is an extensive network of spies scattered throughout his infastructure, keeping him abreast of any important detail.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Brill]

<P>  Amazing post Vhalen!  :smileyhappy:  Lots of good info here.  It raises a few questions tho:<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>• Plane of Ocean / Kedgian:<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>   As, an earlier poster mentioned, this does seem a little out of place since Erudite paladins in eq1 worshipped Prexus.  Is this just an evil splinter cult or has the whole cult turned evil?  Or were all the existing Prexus worshippers wiped out, and this is a completely new water cult starting mostly from scratch?</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>• Plane of Hate / Ruuks:</P> <P>Priests are called Ruuks and the sect leader is called a Scronlord.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> I hate to be picky, but I hope that's supposed to be 'Scornlord'.  :smileytongue:<BR></P>

[Copperheadr]

<blockquote><hr>Wilin wrote:Where do I sign up?<hr></blockquote>Temple of War in NFP.

[Ktok]

<DIV>I'm surprised by some of this... Prexus was surely not an evil god, and Solusek Ro, while violent by nature, never seemed completely evil either. Veeshan, which I can assume would be the focus of the Sky worshippers, seemed either universally disliked or nuetral in EQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does this mean these three will not be available to Qeynos citizens in the new worship system? Not saying I want to worship a clearly evil god as a Qeynosian, but being limites to the Marr twins, Tunare and Karana would be a bit of a letdown. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Owlbe]

<DIV>Water is the greatest natural force of destruction so in that light Prexus being a worshipped in Freeport is not that wierd.</DIV>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>If I were to guess, I would say that at least Prexus and Veeshan would be nuetral deities, and, if they are able to be worshipped at all, will be able to be worshipped by both cities.</P> <P>Other nuetral deities included Fizzlethorpe Bristlebane, the Tribunal, and Solusek Ro, and even Brell Serilis.  While some of this may change, this is what it was in EQ.  Solusek could be worshiped by wizards from any race.  Same thing with Bristlebane and rogues (hmm, maybe not dwarves...).  The Tribunal is as nuetral as you can get, as they are the celestial judgment body, judging each case that comes before them based on the rules of the creatures own society (gnoll will be judged on the rules of gnollish society, iksar on iksar society, etc), and were completely impartial, and objective.  Brell was considered nuetral, I think, because not all of his creations were of a friendly nature.  Look at the Ratonga, and the gnolls!</P> <P>Best just to wait and see how things will turn out.</P> <P>On Prexus, just remember, a treasure hungry pirate would be just as likely to worship Prexus as one of the Knights of Prexus in Erudin.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Saroc_Luclin]

A few things to keep in mind.Lucan has had a hand in setting up the subcults of the Dismal rage, so he very likely reshaped the lore and beliefs to the "gods" in charge of each cult to suit his purposes.Plus the Gods themselves may be neutral/evil/good, but since they went silent so long ago, people may have been twisting the teachings of those Gods to meet their own needs and desires. So though Prexus and SolRo are mostly neutral gods, their stories throuhg the generations have probably been twisted to a more evil bend.And finally, this is the post-Cataclysm age too. An age where Fire rained from the sky and the oceans surged and sunk vast swathes of land, oceans whipped into a fury that is only now calming down. To the people living through those times, it would surely seem that Prexus and SolRo are vengeful gods who have an evil bend to themselves.What I found interesting was the comments about the "Last gods known in charge" of the various planes. That seemed to imply that there may have been other gods in charge of those domains through the ages and/or newer gods may have usurped or otherwise taken over those realms. (PS: Isn't the Plane of Fire named Doomfire, the Burning Lands?)<div></div>

[Vhalen]

<P>Before anyone panics, I should point out that this is how religion has been operating in Freeport since the Age of War. It is for lore purposes and does not dictate what our deity system will be like. This is the lore board.</P> <P>These are evil religions. This does not mean there are good religions that follow the same deities in a few cases, such as the Deepwater Knights we all know and love from Erudin vs what we see here.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Erudites are a neutral race. If they were good, they never would have battled with themselves over the existance of necromancy long long ago. (and they would never be able to start in Freeport.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Veeshan, Prexus, and Solusek Ro are Neutral gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being the god of Oceans doesn't mean that you have to allow calm seas and bountiful harvests of fish to all your worshippers all the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Solusek Ro is the perfect example to prove that neutral means "Plays for the Winning Team".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Out of all the gods in the pantheon, you won't find anyone who will jump at the opportunity to seize and achieve power when he sees it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He decided to seize power and make sure that people knew who he was by setting into motion the geographic changes that destroyed the Elddar Forest and turned it into the Desert of Ro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He decided to jump at the opportunity to aquire power by working with Rallos Zek during the Planes of Power by plotting to use the Time Machine and have the Manaetic Behemoth carry the Dresolisk Crystal back to Norrath in the past, and detonate it so it scorched the world and left a barren, desolate wasteland where the survivors would war amongst themselves in order to survive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Such a huge plot just so Rallos Zek and Solusek Ro could kick back, drink a few beers, and enjoy laughing at aftermath of the chaos....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Solusek Ro knew that there was nothing he could gain by sticking around the Plane of Time to help the other evil gods prevent the mortals from freeing Zebuxoruk. He knew that it was pointless to try, so he fled back to his tower.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Theoretically, Solusek Ro later decided maybe Rallos Zek and himself could still get a cheap thrill with thier foiled plan by invading the Nexus and using the Dresolisk Crystal to disrupt world-wide teleportation and/or blow up Luclin. (It's still has never been clearly revealed just 0what exactly happened after all...)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Granted, he never really chose to do anything GOOD for Norrath other than giving them sunlight on a daily basis, he's not evil either. He's just power hungry for his own reasons.</DIV>

[Ozymundas]

The wording of Vhalen's post, refering to the "last known" rulers of each plane sounds suspiciously like the Gods that return to us may not be the Gods we knew from EQ1....

[Priestbane]

<P>Cusa...  that's evil by darn near everyone's definition.  Degrees or not, killing solely for the sake of power is evil.</P> <P> </P> <P>No disagreement with the possibility of neutrals worshipping evil gods, goods worshipping neutral gods, etc.  Just that the definition given is that of evil.  The god may not be wholly evil...  providing sunlight is definitely not evil in and of itself.  Ro is at the very least capricious, and evil in capability.  After all, feeding ants so that you can keep them around just for magnifying glass fodder is still vile...</P> <P>I have issues with the paladins of Solusek. =)</P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: some clarification.</P><p>Message Edited by Godstalk on <span class=date_text>07-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 PM</span>

[Lornick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Godstalk wrote:<BR> <P>The god may not be wholly evil...  providing sunlight is definitely not evil in and of itself.  Ro is at the very least capricious, and evil in capability. <STRONG> After all, feeding ants so that you can keep them around just for magnifying glass fodder is still vile...</STRONG></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I would call that mischievous =p<BR>

[Rezikai]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ozymundas1 wrote:<BR> The wording of Vhalen's post, refering to the "last known" rulers of each plane sounds suspiciously like the Gods that return to us <EM><STRONG>may not be the Gods we knew from EQ1</STRONG></EM>....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>I caught on to this to, ... seeing as this wording makes it seem possible to kill a god,.. and/or become one.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>much like in God of War where the spartan kills Aries and hence takes his thrown as the God himself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would also help Lucan who I'm sure is a little peeved he himself will now have a rival over the peoples beliefs and faiths considering such a stranglehold he keeps over anything like that in freeport, if the gods are indeed,.. changed or even moreso..able to be destroyed.</DIV>

[Jal]

Thankyou Vhalen very useful information.

[Dregor]

I'm probably reading more into this than I should, but the way Vhalen listed each of the gods as "the last known" made me think twice.  Perhaps, when the gods return in EoF, we might be seeing some new faces.<div></div>

[hikidar]

I actually think it has more to do with how Lucan runs things.  They aren't allowed to worship individual gods, as that would be replacing him as a main focal point.

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>I see that some of you do not know much of the Dismal Rage. Here is a bit of information that may come in handy in choosing your sect when joining the church of the Dismal Rage:</P> <P>The Dismal Rage is an amalgamation of some of the darker religions of Norrath. It was not always this way. In the beginning, The Dismal Rage was comprised of disciples of hate. They were instrumental in the rise of Sir Lucan as supreme commander of Freeport. Unfortunately for them, Sir Lucan was not so appreciative. Sir Lucan rid Freeport, and Norrath, of most of the disciples of the Dismal Rage and destroyed their secret temple. Freeport babble says that Sir Lucan destroyed the Dismal Rage after they bestowed him with great powers to replace those that were stripped from his soul after falling from the grace of the gods of valor and love. No one knows if this is true, but that first incarnation of the Dismal Rage was destroyed.</P> <P>For whatever reason, Sir Lucan kept one member of the Dismal Rage alive. Xelha Nevagon was the only original member of the Dismal Rage left alive. Some believe that Sir Lucan was related to her in some ways and some even believed she was his consort. During this time, Sir Lucan rid Freeport of all religion. Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit.</P> <P>The Dismal Rage is a dark sinister order of the occult and what most Norrathians would call, dark religions. They worship all evil deities. This order is based on a strict doctrine following something called the Covenant of the Accursed, an ancient tome rumored to have been taken from the Plane of Knowledge or the first city of knowledge called Tanaan.</P> <P>There are 7 primary pantheons represented within this one religious organization. Each pantheon has a high priest that leads its individual flock. These 7 pantheons work together under the single director of the Dismal Rage, an appointed high priestess that must study all pantheons that are praised by the 7 sects.</P> <P>• Plane of Fear / Modinites:</P> <P>This sect pays homage to the pantheons of fear often referred to as the Thulian Gods. The last supreme deity of that pantheon was Cazic-Thule. They are named after the rumored name of the plane of fear, Modinthule. Priests are called Modinites and the sect leader is called a Thulian.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>I remember seeing these guys running around feerrott and I believe there is a quest that involves killing a few of them.  </FONT></P> <P>• Plane of Hate / Ruuks:</P> <P>This sect pays homage to the gods of the plane of hate. Ruuks are named for a section of the plane of hate rumored to be the spawning pit of all creatures of hate, the Ruuk Abyss. The last known ruler of the pantheon of hate was Innorruuk. Priests are called Ruuks and the sect leader is called a Scronlord.</P> <P><BR>• Plane of War: / Drunds:</P> <P>This sect is the largest within the temple. It pays homage to the pantheons of the plane of war. The last known supreme commander of the gods of war was called Rallos Zek. The priests are called Drunds and the sect leader is called a Vindicator. The Drunds get thier name from a fortress of Zek located in the planes called Drunder. Rumor is that the Drunds are in possession of a powerful artifact taken from the planar fortress by adventurers during the Age of Turmoil. The Drunds just recently procurred the artifact during the latter half of the Age of Cataclysms.</P> <P>• Plane of Decay / Toxxulians:</P> <P>Toxxulians are a small sect, but a sect much avoided by the others. They worship the pantheon of the Plane of Decay. The last known ruler of decay was called Bertoxxulous. The sect does not bathe nor wear clean clothes. They prefer to have their garments and bodies wither away over time. Priests are called Toxxulians and the sect leader is called a Detrioxx.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>These guys are of particular interest to me and the reason is I think I encountered something similar in EQOA.  There was a live event quest where there was a plague that was spreading across Norrath.  We had to help out by gathering materials for a cure however *not 100% sure* the people we originally talked to betrayed us.  I think they were indeed inleague with the diety known as Bertoxxulous.  The plague was highly contagious in game wise spreading from person to person almost at will.  Sadly the only way to cure it was to kill that person and have them revived. </FONT></P> <P>• Plane of Ocean / Kedgian:</P> <P>This sect worships the gods of the oceans. They have named themselves after a legendary extinct race of underwater dwellers. This race was said to be the greatest race on Norrath, a race hailing from the Plane of Ocean. The last known ruler of the gods of ocean was called Prexus. Priests of the sect are called Kedgian and the sect leader is called an Autropos.</P> <P>• Plane of Sun or Flame: Corilaxian:</P> <P>This sect worships the pantheon of the Plane of Flame. The last known ruler of that pantheon was called Solusek Ro. This sect is named after the rumored true name of the plane of flame. Priests are called Corilaxian and the sect leader is called a Ro.</P> <P>• Plane of Sky: Dracolyte:</P> <P>This sect worships the pantheon of the Plane of Sky and god of all dragonkind. This is the smallest of the sects not numbering more than 20 in total. They are new to the Dismal Rage and not particularly liked by the other castes. Their tributes to dragonkind are one thing that brings great animosity upon this mysterious caste. Priests are called Dracolytes and the sect leader is called the Scalelord.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Three things really interest me about this little number.  The first being is they are not particularly liked by the other people of the religious sects in The Dismal Rage.  Also what kind of tributes do they do to dragonkind that bring animosity upon their caste?  Also it is very interesting to see that the sect leader is named a "Scalelord" and there is armor in game called "Scale Lord Armor".  I'm starting to wonder if there is a little connection there where this sect is trying to do back alley deals with the Droags/The Awakened.  Course probably not since The Awakened hate humans with there being only a few droags that actually help us out in game.  One such droag being allied to lord nagafen. </FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>  Anyone else find it odd that Lucan would allow Veeshan worshipers to stay in Freeport?  Their belief in serving dragons first and foremost above anyone else, including the Overlord, doesn't seem like something he'd tollerate in his city for long<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit. - VhalenThat sums it up right there as to why he is letting other gods be worshipped.  It's all part of his evil plan.<div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Every religious order was forced from Freeport, one way or another. Sir Lucan eventually commanded Xelha to build a new Dismal Rage. This new Dismal Rage would pay homage to gods whose beliefs could be used in Sir Lucan's crusade to become the mightiest ruler on Norrath. Sir Lucan allowed this new church to exist for his own benefit. - Vhalen<BR><BR>That sums it up right there as to why he is letting other gods be worshipped.  It's all part of his evil plan.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well I wouldn't think it would be part of his quote "evil plan" but it is probably within his scheme of things.  Sadly if you stand back from the world itself how can you view the actions of another to be evil?  I could be philosophical but i'll save it for some other time. :smileywink:

[Whazy]

<P>I have always thought of Prexus as an evil god.  The race he created was the Kedge.  The last surviving member of the Kedge gained immortality by basically sucking the life out of the rest of his race.  Seems pretty evil to me.</P> <P>The Erudites were just misguided in following Prexus.  They may be an "intelligent" race, but they are far from being a "wise" race.  It takes wisdom to distinguish good from evil, and Erudites are amoung the least wise beings in Norrath.  I mean how wise is it to roll around in toxic goo in the Stormbrunt Mountains and burn your skin with glowing runes?</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Whazy wrote:<BR> <P>I have always thought of Prexus as an evil god.  The race he created was the Kedge.  The last surviving member of the Kedge gained immortality by basically sucking the life out of the rest of his race.  Seems pretty evil to me.</P> <P>The Erudites were just misguided in following Prexus.  They may be an "intelligent" race, but they are far from being a "wise" race.  It takes wisdom to distinguish good from evil, and Erudites are amoung the least wise beings in Norrath.  I mean how wise is it to roll around in toxic goo in the Stormbrunt Mountains and burn your skin with glowing runes?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10303#M10303" target=_blank>If you read the story behind Phinigel Autropos, you'd understand why he is the way he is.</A></P> <P> </P> <P>That said, the Kedge were actually one of the greatest societies to ever live. It's just quite unfortunate what happened to them.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for Stonebrundt mountains, there's no toxic goo there... what are you talking about?</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Whazy wrote:<div></div><p>I have always thought of Prexus as an evil god.  The race he created was the Kedge.  The last surviving member of the Kedge gained immortality by basically sucking the life out of the rest of his race.  Seems pretty evil to me.</p><hr></blockquote>All the various stories about Phinny suggest that he wasn't trying to kill everyone, his spell got beyond his control and the backlash killed all the other kedge.Speaking of Phinny, does anyone find it interesting that the sect leaders of Prexus are named after him?  seems odd for clerics to get their titles for some wizard<div></div>

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>As for Stonebrundt mountains, there's no toxic goo there... what are you talking about?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=13593&query.id=0#M13593" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=13593&query.id=0#M13593</A></P> <P><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Erudites and the Archane Transformation:<BR><BR>You say, "Ok, now this is getting interesting.  What did they discover?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "The Erudites had constructed a base of concentrated arcane power that was obviously the foundation and core of their plans.  Fearing another catastophic event engineered at the hands of careless Erudite meddling, the ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra Isle, abandoning their homeland to the inevitable fate of the continent."<BR><BR>You say, "What was the inevitable fate?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "What happened shortly after the ancestors' retreat was both awesome and frightful.  Nearly a week after the retreat, on the onset of dawn, a great sound echoed from the continent like the song of a thousand great whales.  Within a few moments, the sound went still and all was suddenly quiet."<BR><BR>You say, "What happened next?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "A cloud of mist radiated from the north, enshrouding the entirety of the continent and surrounding shores in a thick, shimmering veil of impenetrable fog.  All grew eerily quiet.  This phenomenon lasted by a few short minutes before the mists retreated."<BR><BR>You say, "Oh, was the continent gone?  Is that what happened to Odus?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "No, Odus remained, and to the surprise of those who bore witness, it was as if nothing had ocurred.  The forests of Toxxulia remained and the snow capped-peaks of Stonebrunt could be seen upon the northern horizon.  However, all remained silent and deathly still for the days that would pass."<BR><BR>You say, "Didn't you ancestors go explore?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic.  As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent.  A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."<BR><BR>You say, "What did the anceastors learn?  What did they see?<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now.  Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come.  What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery.  The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."<BR><BR>You say, "That was interesting.  Thanks for the story."</FONT></P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Whazy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>As for Stonebrundt mountains, there's no toxic goo there... what are you talking about?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=13593&query.id=0#M13593" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=13593&query.id=0#M13593</A></P> <P><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Erudites and the Archane Transformation:<BR><BR>You say, "Ok, now this is getting interesting.  What did they discover?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "The Erudites had constructed a base of concentrated arcane power that was obviously the foundation and core of their plans.  Fearing another catastophic event engineered at the hands of careless Erudite meddling, the ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra Isle, abandoning their homeland to the inevitable fate of the continent."<BR><BR>You say, "What was the inevitable fate?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "What happened shortly after the ancestors' retreat was both awesome and frightful.  Nearly a week after the retreat, on the onset of dawn, a great sound echoed from the continent like the song of a thousand great whales.  Within a few moments, the sound went still and all was suddenly quiet."<BR><BR>You say, "What happened next?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "A cloud of mist radiated from the north, enshrouding the entirety of the continent and surrounding shores in a thick, shimmering veil of impenetrable fog.  All grew eerily quiet.  This phenomenon lasted by a few short minutes before the mists retreated."<BR><BR>You say, "Oh, was the continent gone?  Is that what happened to Odus?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "No, Odus remained, and to the surprise of those who bore witness, it was as if nothing had ocurred.  The forests of Toxxulia remained and the snow capped-peaks of Stonebrunt could be seen upon the northern horizon.  However, all remained silent and deathly still for the days that would pass."<BR><BR>You say, "Didn't you ancestors go explore?"<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic.  As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent.  A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."<BR><BR>You say, "What did the anceastors learn?  What did they see?<BR><BR>Nashii tells you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now.  Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come.  What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery.  The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."<BR><BR>You say, "That was interesting.  Thanks for the story."</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No toxic goo.

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>No toxic goo.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ok, toxic mist.  sheesh.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Doesn't even say that the mist was toxic either. :p</DIV>

[Jal]

So now the (i believe i read she was the leader) of the dismal rage is the seraph of hate and is willing to oppose lucan in the name of innoruuk, plus she's an Ayr'dal not a Teir'dal. Could be some fun times ahead in freeport.

[DruVir]

<div></div>In regards to the "hint" that the returning god's may be different from that in EQ, .. it's entirely possible. If we've learned anything from Mayong Mistmoore gaining godhood, through the collective will of all of Norrath, it's that the even godliness can be altered by the mere believing in a deity. Through the centuries from when the god's left, to now, along with the destroying and rehashing of stories in The Shattering, the collective will of every person in regards may have been able to change that deity. Perhaps it was told, somewhere down the line, that the Marr Twins were in fact lovers. And through this story being told for hundreds of years, and believed to be true, that the god's themselves actually changed as well. And in regards to Prexus, .. c'mon. Sure, he's usually seen as good, mainly because he's worshipped by those of good, but if you even read the most basic lore on him, all followers believe one day all of Norrath will be submerged beneath the water, more than likely thanks to the will of Prexus. This isn't going to bode well for my Bard, at the very least, since water gets his fingers wrinkly fast. Those without a water breathing apparatus, or for lore-sake, everyone, is going to be dead. Or they'll instantly evolve gills. While this isn't exactly evil, it isn't exactly good either. Any god can just about be used in an evil nature, if you know how to manipulate their influence. Erollisi Marr, Goddess of Love, for instance. Who wouldn't do anything for the person they truly love? We know, at least in actual history, that great wars have been commited in the name of love. So if Lucan wants to have a sect of followers, in his mixed up religion, that believe through the devestation and chaos of tidal waves, floods, and drowning, comes true power, so be it. And on a Veeshan note, since I followed Veeshan and all, it's not necessarily that they are followers because she's good or evil. It's because she's Veeshan. You know. The giant dragon who slashed her claws into Velious? And sprang forth dragons? Some of, if not the most, powerful creatures in the known world? If Veeshan ever came back, weilding her frightening power, I know I would want to be able to say, "Hey. Look. Before you destroy us, .. see these guys? The ones worshipping every breath you take? They're my men, .. we <i>all</i> worship your power, and if you could be so kind, how about blasting those Qeynos guys for us? They said you smell." <div></div><p>Message Edited by DruVirus on <span class=date_text>07-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:54 AM</span>