The Void

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>Aside from being the birthplace of the Obelisk of Lost Souls and a timeless space of non-existance, what else is known about the Void so far? Thinking about it today, I was wondering if anyone else had any further information to give on the subject.</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

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[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQ2Playa432 wrote:<BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12845&query.id=182649#M12845" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12845&query.id=182649#M12845</A> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So... you linked one of Astralmage's own posts to prove a point about this post?

[EQ2Playa432]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> EQ2Playa432 wrote:<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12845&query.id=182649#M12845" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12845&query.id=182649#M12845</a> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>So... you linked one of Astralmage's own posts to prove a point about this post?<hr></blockquote>Geesh excuse me, forgot that Forum Policeman Cusahorn is around.</div>

[Vhalen]

<P>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds. Even in vessels of supreme intellect the truth behind this mysterious realm could only be theorized and never proven. Such assumptions, great as they are, were still nothing more than a best guess. </P> <P>There are rift riders and plane walkers that have encountered or chased mythical ether realms and of those, a few managed to breach the barriers of the Void. Oftentimes the realm they found beyond is not what they believed it to be. Their goals of reaching such places as the outer planes or the gray fields lead to the Void. The confusion is sometimes cleared up. Unfortunately that clarity is often accompanied by the deadly forces that exist there. These forces, native or not, atmosphere or foe... these forces never let you go.</P>

[Rezikai]

<DIV>:smileysurprised:</DIV>

[SpryYoungE]

*burp* <span>:smileysurprised:</span> <div></div>

[Unmask]

<blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<P>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds.<hr></blockquote>Are you suggesting that the smartest people in the world had empty heads? :o

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds. Even in vessels of supreme intellect the truth behind this mysterious realm could only be theorized and never proven. Such assumptions, great as they are, were still nothing more than a best guess. </P> <P>There are rift riders and plane walkers that have encountered or chased mythical ether realms and of those, a few managed to breach the barriers of the Void. Oftentimes the realm they found beyond is not what they believed it to be. Their goals of reaching such places as the outer planes or the gray fields lead to the Void. The confusion is sometimes cleared up. Unfortunately that clarity is often accompanied by the deadly forces that exist there. These forces, native or not, atmosphere or foe... these forces never let you go.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That clears it up up.   lol</P> <P>The Void apparenly has a void of information surronding it.</P>

[Terq]

<P>Anyone else reminded of a quote from Billy Madison?  </P>"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."<p>Message Edited by Terq on <span class=date_text>06-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:07 PM</span>

[Ktok]

<DIV>Could be unrelated, but there is a painting you can put in your room called Daughter of the Void. It pictures what looks to be some sort of female demon which has yet to be seen, to my knowledge, in game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, she does look very much like the demonic looking female mobs in the high end zones of Omens of War, one of the EQ Live expansions.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQ2Playa432 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>Geesh excuse me, forgot that Forum Policeman Cusahorn is around.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>All you did was link a post where Astral talked about warlocks possibly using the void as a source of thier power. I don't understand what you were trying to point out.

[ganng]

<P>I think that what the Dev was getting at is the Void is a realm beyond logic as we understand it both in game and out.  I have allays enjoyed references to places that are so far beyond our comprehension of reality that it causes damage to all that visit.  As I think more about this it is kind of like the plot for Event Horizon where the crew of a black hole diving space craft dip into a hell dimension and once the ship is rediscovered the dimension begins to creep into "our" reality because the survivor (if you can call him that) serves as an anchor for the bleed over.  Silly movie but it is the best conventional correlation I had available.  You can however read the book "VALIS" for something similar if you take it from the authors point of view.... but that could take some serious medication to recover from. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[Saroc_Luclin]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ktok wrote:<div>Could be unrelated, but there is a painting you can put in your room called Daughter of the Void. It pictures what looks to be some sort of female demon which has yet to be seen, to my knowledge, in game.</div> <div> </div> <div>However, she does look very much like the demonic looking female mobs in the high end zones of Omens of War, one of the EQ Live expansions.</div><hr></blockquote>Got a pic of that painting soemwhere? It might make some sense. I suspect you are talking about the Riftseekers, who were enslaved by Muram's forces to seek out and open up rifts to other worlds for him to envade throuhg. It was they who found the rift the Taelosians were forming and expanded it to let the invasion of Taelosia begin. It was also the Dragorn rebels working with the riftseekers who sealed that rift, cutting off those forces on Norrath and destroying the Ruined City of Dranik. (and causing the crater in Bloodfields) (And yes, I know some hate GoD/OoW lore but it's there in EQLive. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</div>

[Diern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Unmasked wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Are you suggesting that the smartest people in the world had empty heads? :o<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Funny you should say that.  Alot great scientists and artists have said that thier most profound and brilliant work has come to them when the mind was absolutely empty of thought.</P> <P>Ure mind is a tool, learn to use it well but dont let it use you</P> <P>something to think about..... :smileywink:</P><p>Message Edited by Diernes on <span class=date_text>06-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Diernes wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Unmasked wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Are you suggesting that the smartest people in the world had empty heads? :o<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Funny you should say that.  Alot great scientists and artists have said that thier most profound and brilliant work has come to them when the mind was absolutely empty of thought.</P> <P>Ure mind is a tool, learn to use it well but dont let it use you</P> <P>something to think about..... :smileywink:</P> <P>Message Edited by Diernes on <SPAN class=date_text>06-29-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Aye. Many geniouses in thier own right, generally lack certain social quality that would make them "Normal" by society's standards.

[Araxes]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div> <p>The Void... an enigma to all Norrathians. In my time, such a place was kept to the minds of only a handful of the world's greatest minds. Even in vessels of supreme intellect the truth behind this mysterious realm could only be theorized and never proven. Such assumptions, great as they are, were still nothing more than a best guess. </p> <p>There are rift riders and plane walkers that have encountered or chased mythical ether realms and of those, a few managed to breach the barriers of the Void. Oftentimes the realm they found beyond is not what they believed it to be. Their goals of reaching such places as the outer planes or the gray fields lead to the Void. The confusion is sometimes cleared up. Unfortunately that clarity is often accompanied by the deadly forces that exist there. These forces, native or not, atmosphere or foe... these forces never let you go.</p><hr></blockquote>So ... since Warlocks summon demon pets (dark broodlings and the netherlord) and have spells which tap the void and nether (just to name a few : void absolution - netherous realm - rift ... but the majority of our spells revolve around this theme in some way) ... care to elaborate at all on how we as a class fit into this bit of lore ?  Have warlocks delved into the mysteries of this Void moreso than other Norrathians?  Do they know its secrets?  Is there a cabal of any kind?</div>

[Barx]

<div><blockquote><hr>Saroc_Luclin wrote:<div>It might make some sense. I suspect you are talking about the Riftseekers, who were enslaved by Muram's forces to seek out and open up rifts to other worlds for him to envade throuhg. It was they who found the rift the Taelosians were forming and expanded it to let the invasion of Taelosia begin. It was also the Dragorn rebels working with the riftseekers who sealed that rift, cutting off those forces on Norrath and destroying the Ruined City of Dranik. (and causing the crater in Bloodfields) (And yes, I know some hate GoD/OoW lore but it's there in EQLive. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</div><hr></blockquote>Just to make sure I have this right... the EQL and EQ2 timelines split after Planes of Power, correct? Thus Riftseekers wouldn't be portrayed in an EQ2 painting, having not been seen (IMHO).</div>

[xOnaton1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Saroc_Luclin wrote:<div>Got a pic of that painting soemwhere?</div><hr></blockquote>After a quick search:<a target="_blank" href="http://www.everseek.com/index.php?&name=Furniture&single=on&fid=75">http://www.everseek.com/index.php?&name=Furniture&single=on&fid=75</a><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=homeshow&message.id=1030#M1030">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=homeshow&message.id=1030#M1030</a><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=homeshow&message.id=2350">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=homeshow&message.id=2350</a></div>

[Themaginator]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lord_Ebon wrote:<div>Just to make sure I have this right... the EQL and EQ2 timelines split after Planes of Power, correct? Thus Riftseekers wouldn't be portrayed in an EQ2 painting, having not been seen (IMHO).</div><hr></blockquote>Aye in EQ they were FIRST seen in OOW but they have existed as long or longer than us and the muramite Legion...OMM just used em a bit.   they are masters of space and time from an existance never really mentioned in eq lore.  i think it is very likely that they could be one of the horrid beings from The Void itself </div>

[Saroc_Luclin]

They are very similar it seems: <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=16600" target=_blank>A Pyrilen Flameshard</a>. And yes, the two timelines split after PoP but that doesn't mean that the Devs can't use aspects from later EQLive expansions if they want to.(The Riftseeker males are <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=16541" target=_blank>gelidran's</a>.  Blue skinned, no wings. Tend to be more ice based in their power sets) <div></div>

[QDOG5]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ganng wrote:<BR> <P>I have always enjoyed references to places that are so far beyond our comprehension of reality that it causes damage to all that visit. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This place for me is Walmart.  I aVOID that place as much as possible.

[Ryoko Hakubi]

<DIV>Its quite interesting to me how the Everling family and Varsoon seem to know some of the secrets of the Void (as well as us smartypants Warlocks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).<BR><BR>I'm sure all of this has been mentioned, but Varsoon summons a lamia and tons of those black locust-looking creatures that you will find in Obelisk. He's probably channeling different planes through the Void... and maybe he is immortal because he uses their technology to feed off of souls as the shadowed folk do. Mobs in Varsoon's also speak of "The Creator." Do they mean the creator that you kill for access in Obelisk? I imagine him being much stronger and harder to reach for some reason.<BR><BR>We learned that one of the Everling daughters was an artifact collector, and she'd found or was given an object of Obelisk origin. Then it's said that the epic nightblood in Nek Castle was sent by a sister to stop Dierdre.<BR><BR>Has it been established that all evil eyes are aliens originated from The Void? The only thing I've read about evil eyes is how they mesmerize and vegetate unlucky adventurers who stumble into Runnyeye. I don't know if they have the goblins under their control or if they're just "partners." <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ryoko Hakubi wrote:<BR> <DIV>Mobs in Varsoon's also speak of "The Creator." Do they mean the creator that you kill for access in Obelisk? I imagine him being much stronger and harder to reach for some reason.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The Creator that the mobs in Varsoon refer to is Varsoon himself. Most of the mobs in the zone were given life by his magic, so he is their "Creator."