The Keeper of Secrets

[Lonissa]

With the changes to Nektulos Forest, I decided to pay our friend the Keeper of Secrets a visit (<font size="3">I was actually looking for firelight shrillers which went missing in the revamp</font>).  Imagine my surprise when he said something new!The Keeper of Secrets says, "When the one who walked from the water is made whole, the heralds of the nine shall arise. Knowledge is key. That is all."<div></div>Heralds of the nine?  Nine gods returning perhaps?  Is there any mention of heralds of the nine in EQLive?The one who walked from the water is made whole - is there some figure from the past who may have walked from the water?  There's been an awful lot of talk of the Behemoth lately, could it be we will make it whole again?Anyone else have any ideas on what this could mean?

[SageGaspar]

<div></div>In DoF the Keeper of Secrets hinted at the ultimate questline that you could get by getting three talismans. This might be a clue to something in Fallen Dynasty. I know it deals with Zebuxoruk and I think someone mentioned perhaps the ruins of the Plane of Knowledge, but I never got confirmation or heard anything more about that... would fit in with Knowledge is Key though. I know there are zones accessed from underwater too.Then again, it might be related to the Behemoth and Vhalen said another lore quest was coming soon... hrrrm....<div></div><p>Message Edited by SageGaspar on <span class=date_text>06-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:36 AM</span>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Wow.  I don't know, but the game's afoot.  </P> <P>There are subtle changes happening all over.  Talk of the Behemoth, cooperation between the Orcs, new signs of rebirth in the Commonland, a spread of different MOBs into places they have not been seen before, rumors ot the gods returning.</P> <P>Something seems to be going on, but what, and by whom, and for what reason, is a mystery to me.</P>

[BrizaOr]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emaleth2000 wrote:<BR><BR>The one who walked from the water is made whole - is there some figure from the past who may have walked from the water?  There's been an awful lot of talk of the Behemoth lately, could it be we will make it whole again?<BR><BR>Anyone else have any ideas on what this could mean?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The Fallen Dynasty might provide the answers you are looking for about this mystery. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV>

[TolenClearbrook]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:The one who walked from the water is made whole - is there some figure from the past who may have walked from the water?  There's been an awful lot of talk of the Behemoth lately, could it be we will make it whole again?<hr></blockquote>From a Strictly what is happening right now point of view. that could be a reference to Fallen Dynasty and helping Zeb with his memory (making him whole?) I don't know about him walking from the water though. Would have to do more of the quests to found out how Zeb found himself on New Tannon.Zeb Getting his memory back would probably cause some, if not all, of the gods to take action, considering what he knows. which could be the "the heralds of the nine shall arise. Knowledge is key. That is all." part</div>

[Saroc_Luclin]

Hmm, the main reference of "Nine" I can remember in EQ history is the Druid spell line. In PoP, they got "Protection of the Nine" and "Blessing of the Nine".Thing is, I was a cleric, not a druid, so I was never really clear as to who the "Nine" were. I think it was related to something with the Protection of the Cabbage spell earlier, which "The Nine" was an upgrade to. (IIRC the Cabbage quest had you doing 9 tasks thouhg or something like that).With Faydark coming, and the emphasis on the Fey, the "influance of growth", and the fact that GF was classic Druid territory, and there are apparantly hints that the Rings are up to something, I'm seeing connections there.Not sure about the water reference though. That seems like it would be a reference to the Behemoth or something.<div></div>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>The whole "Nine" thing reminded me of the druid spells, too, so I went back to some lore to see if I couldn't find out what this nine was.  Turns out it has to do with the nine sacrifices that the druids would make whenever the cosmic bodies aligned themselves so that they could meet in a grove between various worlds, and all the different druids would come together and worship the various gods of nature.  Three sacrifices were made by elves druids, 3 by human druids, and 3 by halfling druids, thus the Nine.  The script used was also a recipe that helped you make various druid items that would ultimately get you the Protection of the Cabbage spell, so a lot of it is prattle.  You can read about it yourself <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=liberbrassica" target=_blank>here</A>, though, if you'd like.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Jaale]

<DIV>I'm kinda hoping that this would be a way of bringing the behemoth back from the dead (though what it is and if it would be able to survive in an air atmosphere (from the water?) would be interesting to find out) Can you imagine that some guild does the quest and from there on in there is a lvl 70 epic X4 Mob roaming about Nek (could make him a zone wanderer, would have to make him run slowish though)... would make leveling in that area fraught with peril but at the same time very exciting to know that suddenly this roaming Epic has stumbled across your little band and you have to run like crazy to get away! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hmm maybe that is just me.. it would spice things up a lot. (can you imagine on the PVP server training that into a group from the other side, Fansy FTW <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV>

[Ishbu]

Wasnt the Tribunal nine guys or am I off here?If I remember eq1 stuff correctly the tribunal were the 9 guys in charge of the plane of justice and basically locking up people in jail on a planar scale.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Tribunal is 6.</DIV>

[Saroc_Luclin]

I was wondering that too, but the Tribunal was 7. Hence the "7th Hammer". In Justice, you did 6 trials and gained access to speak (fight) the 7th Hammer.I also was thinking of the Rathe Council, but those little buggers were an even Dozen and not 9 either.<div></div>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR>Wasnt the Tribunal nine guys or am I off here?<BR><BR>If I remember eq1 stuff correctly the tribunal were the 9 guys in charge of the plane of justice and basically locking up people in jail on a planar scale.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nah your thinking of these Gods and there were 6 of them. <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=gods_tribunal" target=_blank>http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=gods_tribunal</A>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saroc_Luclin wrote:<BR>I was wondering that too, but the Tribunal was 7. Hence the "7th Hammer". In Justice, you did 6 trials and gained access to speak (fight) the 7th Hammer.<BR><BR>I also was thinking of the Rathe Council, but those little buggers were an even Dozen and not 9 either.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No. The Tribunal is 6. The 7th Hammer is the Baliff to the Tribunal of 6.

[Ishbu]

Lol now I remember why I never post on this board, Im always wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>My guess:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There were 9 original gods who created the major races on Norrath:</DIV> <DIV>Tunare, Prexus, Brell, Innorruuk, Rallos Zek, Bristlebane, Cazic-Thule, Mithaniel Marr, and Erollisi Marr.<BR>I'm leaving out Veeshan because dragons are not a playable race (sorta speaking game mechanics on that part of this assumption), and because of her apparent detachment from Norrath since she planted her race here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The "heralds of the Nine" would be whatever comes right before these 9 gods show back up. When "he who walked from the water" is "made whole again" would refer to Zebuxoruk regaining his memory. Judging by the 2nd bit of official lore on the Fallen Dynasty (<A href="http://www.thefallendynasty.com" target=_blank>www.thefallendynasty.com</A>) it seems that Zeb mysteriously appeared on the island... so it's very possible he just washed up there, e.g. "walked from the water." When we restore his memory, we gain knowledge. "Knowledge is key". This will spark the gods' return to Norrath, which we already know will happen in the Fallen Dynasty storyline.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not too far of a stretch, I don't think :smileywink: Makes a bit of sense in any case.</DIV>

[Zaino Shadowave]

<DIV>I would assume that the "one who walked from the water is made whole," is the God who lost his memory in the new adventure pack...</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zaino Shadowave wrote:<BR> <DIV>I would assume that the "one who walked from the water is made whole," is the God who lost his memory in the new adventure pack...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hmmm... Zebuxoruk is Jesus? For some reason I could see that making sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*NOTE! DO NOT START TURNING THIS INTO A THREAD ABOUT RELIGION! THIS IS JUST SPECULATION AND ALL IN FUN. NOTHING SERIOUS!*</DIV>

[hahn_ba]

<P>Unless they changed "from" to mean "on" in the past 2 days I haven't been home, that comment was meant to do exactly what you hoped it wouldnt.</P> <P>Zeb has more in common with Prometheus than Jesus. </P>

[Zard]

<P>The other "nine" that immediately comes to mind -- but I cannot imagine a crossover of this magnitude -- is</P> <P><A href="http://www.rockjakten.com/nazgul_html/nazguls.html" target=_blank>www.rockjakten.com/nazgul_html/nazguls.html</A></P> <P> </P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV>One ring to rule them all</DIV> <DIV>One ring to find them</DIV> <DIV>One ring to bring them all</DIV> <DIV>And in the darkness bind them</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, I am absolutely sure that it is not refering to the Nazgul of the Tolkein's Middle Earth. Heh.  Although, they did have ring wars in EQ, it also wasn't related to the Lord of the Rings.  Lets keep our minds in EQ lore.  That's complicated enough without introducing outside sources.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[KindredHeart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SageGaspar wrote:<BR> In DoF the Keeper of Secrets hinted at the ultimate questline that you could get by getting three talismans. This might be a clue to something in Fallen Dynasty. I know it deals with Zebuxoruk and I think someone mentioned perhaps the ruins of the Plane of Knowledge, but I never got confirmation or heard anything more about that... would fit in with Knowledge is Key though. I know there are zones accessed from underwater too.<BR><BR>Then again, it might be related to the Behemoth and Vhalen said another lore quest was coming soon... hrrrm....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The Desert of Flames - Keeper of Secrets conversation about getting three talismans was related to the Ring of Fate quest line.  The conversation mentioned above sounds like something totally new.</P> <P>*getting excited* <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Lyrus]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:With the changes to Nektulos Forest, I decided to pay our friend the Keeper of Secrets a visit (<font size="3">I was actually looking for firelight shrillers which went missing in the revamp</font>).  Imagine my surprise when he said something new!The Keeper of Secrets says, "When the one who walked from the water is made whole, the heralds of the nine shall arise. Knowledge is key. That is all."<div></div>Heralds of the nine?  Nine gods returning perhaps?  Is there any mention of heralds of the nine in EQLive?The one who walked from the water is made whole - is there some figure from the past who may have walked from the water?  There's been an awful lot of talk of the Behemoth lately, could it be we will make it whole again?Anyone else have any ideas on what this could mean?<hr></blockquote>The one who walked from the water is on the final floor of the temple, and I haven't quite gotten to the point of being able to talk to him but I can see him. I forgot what he was named though, I'll update that later tonight. </div>

[Gormak]

<P>I believe "heralds of the nine will return" does not point reference to the gods themselves, but their Avatars. Look at the past lore... the gods "removed themselves from norrath" but still schemed, and sent their avatars to do their bidding.</P> <P>Note also that Developers have hinted at the fact that the while the gods influence may return, nothing anywhere has been said that we'll be partying nown on top of their corpses once again.. :p</P> <P>Im sure someone will go back to the lore books and look at the total number of gods who sent their influence in the last rallosian war. Id be supprised if it wasnt 9.</P> <P>Walks from the water... dunno... How and in what state was Zeb found by the monks? He has lost his memory.. perhaps it is his memory that needs to be made whole?, and It is an island after all... perhaps he oneday appeared washed up on shore? I dont know, im yet to get far in the whole Fallen Dynasty lore tangle :p</P> <P> </P> <P>Im really curious about the whole Zeb thing... Did he infact have any supreme power in original EQ lore? (akin to Karana, Tunare and the like) or was his power in the knowledge he posessed about the gods themselves, and what their purpose was?</P>

[Themaginator]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:With the changes to Nektulos Forest, I decided to pay our friend the Keeper of Secrets a visit (<font size="3">I was actually looking for firelight shrillers which went missing in the revamp</font>).  Imagine my surprise when he said something new!The Keeper of Secrets says, "When the one who walked from the water is made whole, the heralds of the nine shall arise. Knowledge is key. That is all."<div></div>Heralds of the nine?  Nine gods returning perhaps?  Is there any mention of heralds of the nine in EQLive?The one who walked from the water is made whole - is there some figure from the past who may have walked from the water?  There's been an awful lot of talk of the Behemoth lately, could it be we will make it whole again?Anyone else have any ideas on what this could mean?<hr></blockquote>My god ive figured it out mostly that is "The one that walked from the water" good ol Zeb was found wondering the shores of Mara he came from the water "made whole" refers to him recovering his memory.....i am deffinate this will cause a HUGE shift in our history something big something very important will happen "The Heralds of the nine shall arise" could this be talking about the gods that entered the pact their avatars returning...wait did the tribunal have 7 or 9 membeers maybe messengers of the tribunal "Knowledge is key" Tannan, most deffinately something to do with Tannan aka Foresaken city..something very important is down there.</div>

[Themaginator]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lyrus-D wrote:<div><blockquote><hr></blockquote>The one who walked from the water is on the final floor of the temple, and I haven't quite gotten to the point of being able to talk to him but I can see him. I forgot what he was named though, I'll update that later tonight. </div><hr></blockquote>name is Zhen Mei...the village gave him that name...its actually Zebuxxorruk who has lost his memory</div>

[wayfaerer]

That's interesting. I have recently returned to EQ2 after leaving it before DoF so I didn't know he said anything apart from his old line about being unworthy for the times ahead.During DoF he apparantly said "Confront and purge the imminent danger of the old one in the desert. Do not forget the three broken pieces. That is all.". He is talking about Godking Anuk I suppose? What is the reference to three broken pieces about? Something to do with the courts? I've done the peacock line but I haven't done any of the court questing.Has the Keeper of Secrets ever said anything else?This is exciting stuff!<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wayfaerer wrote:<BR>That's interesting. I have recently returned to EQ2 after leaving it before DoF so I didn't know he said anything apart from his old line about being unworthy for the times ahead.<BR><BR>During DoF he apparantly said "Confront and purge the imminent danger of the old one in the desert. Do not forget the three broken pieces. That is all.". He is talking about Godking Anuk I suppose? What is the reference to three broken pieces about? Something to do with the courts? I've done the peacock line but I haven't done any of the court questing.<BR><BR>Has the Keeper of Secrets ever said anything else?<BR><BR>This is exciting stuff!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>After you complete every quest in each of the courts, you're opened up to a final quest in which you have to save the rulers of that court. You're awarded with a broken fragment of a medallion. After you have all three of them, an NPC in Pillars of Flames goes on to tell you that none of the 3 courts are truely intended to rule, and a plot unfolds that involved Dorn B'Dynn leading the Court of Tears and the Rujarkian Orcs to take over the city.

[wayfaerer]

Ah, I remember once I was in Maj'Dul and all of the normal guards and many civillians were missing and the whole zone was full of Rujarkian orcs. I guess that's what caused it.<div></div>

[Saragoth]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gormak wrote:<div></div> <p>I believe "heralds of the nine will return" does not point reference to the gods themselves, but their Avatars. Look at the past lore... the gods "removed themselves from norrath" but still schemed, and sent their avatars to do their bidding.</p> <p>Note also that Developers have hinted at the fact that the while the gods influence may return, nothing anywhere has been said that we'll be partying nown on top of their corpses once again.. :p</p> <p>Im sure someone will go back to the lore books and look at the total number of gods who sent their influence in the last rallosian war. Id be supprised if it wasnt 9.</p> <p>Walks from the water... dunno... How and in what state was Zeb found by the monks? He has lost his memory.. perhaps it is his memory that needs to be made whole?, and It is an island after all... perhaps he oneday appeared washed up on shore? I dont know, im yet to get far in the whole Fallen Dynasty lore tangle :p</p> <p>Im really curious about the whole Zeb thing... Did he infact have any supreme power in original EQ lore? (akin to Karana, Tunare and the like) or was his power in the knowledge he posessed about the gods themselves, and what their purpose was?</p><hr></blockquote>Here's a little info of Zeb http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=gods_zebuxorukAlso.. There are 9 sub dieties. But there are more then 9 Gods.. Only other thing I could think of becoming whole again is the Triumvirate of Water. But there is nothing to suggest they were ever broken up.</div>

[Alexandr]

<DIV>If I am not mistaken, that could be reffering to Zeb as others have posted. In the new AP the monks said they found him near the water of Mystic Lake and he has no memory of how he got there or of who he is. I read also that he came from the city underwater there (Forgotten City??) If I am mistaken on this, please correct me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still its exiting :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh it's confirmed that it's Zeb he's talking about. You get to the third floor of the pagoda and it even says below his name that he walked above the water.</DIV>

[kyth]

<div></div>    I would expect that the 9 is refering to the 9 greater gods.  Bertox, Fennin, Tunare, Xegony, Triumitive of Water, Rathe Council, Ct, Inno, Rallos.  I may be wrong but i believe those are the 9 "Greater" gods.<div></div><p>Message Edited by kythik on <span class=date_text>06-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:04 AM</span>

[Phylok]

<DIV>So the heralds of the 9 could be those avatars or maybe the chosen champions of said gods.  Kind of makes you wonder whom would be the choosen ones.  We know for a while Firiona Vie was the choosen of Tunare.  Who would be the new choosen or champions.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kythik wrote:<BR>     I would expect that the 9 is refering to the 9 greater gods.  Bertox, Fennin, Tunare, Xegony, Triumitive of Water, Rathe Council, Ct, Inno, Rallos.  I may be wrong but i believe those are the 9 "Greater" gods.<BR> <P>Message Edited by kythik on <SPAN class=date_text>06-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:04 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR>Thats 11, and you left off Erollisi, Mithanial, Bristlebane, Brell, Veeshan, Solusek Ro, Prexus, Quellious (ESPECIALLY Quellious) and The Tribunal.</P> <P> </P> <P>So... there goes that theory.</P>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:I would expect that the 9 is refering to the 9 greater gods. Bertox, Fennin, Tunare, Xegony, Triumitive of Water, Rathe Council, Ct, Inno, Rallos. I may be wrong but i believe those are the 9 "Greater" gods.<hr></blockquote>Thats 11, and you left off Erollisi, Mithanial, Bristlebane, Brell, Veeshan, Solusek Ro, Prexus, Quellious (ESPECIALLY Quellious) and The Tribunal.<p>So... there goes that theory.</p><hr></blockquote>I dunno. Does anybody have the PoP manual in front of them? That definitely implied (or stated) a division between the "greater" and "lesser" gods, and I don't just mean the demi-gods either.Remember that they are divided into the Elemental Gods, and the Gods of Influence. The elementals are Fennin Ro (Fire), Xegony (Air), the Triumvirate of Water (Tarew Marr, E'ci, and Povar) (Water), and The Rathe Council (Earth). Influence (IIRC, these are more shakey for me) are Mithaniel Marr (Valor), Erollisi Marr (Love), Innoruuk (Hate), Cazic-Thule (Fear), The Tribunal (Justice), Rallos Zek (War), and Quellious (Tranquility). But then there's other "major" gods, such as Brell (The Duke of Underfoot), Prexus (Lord of Oceans), Tunare (Mother of All), Bertoxullous (Disease), Solusek Ro (Burning Prince), Karana (storms) and of course, Veeshan herself (Sky), all of whom I'm not sure which categories they fall under. And I'm not even listing all of the demi-gods, many of whom we killed (their manifestations at least) in PoP, AND had major roles, like Druzzil Ro (she's responsible for the timeline-split).If I had to choose 9... I dunno. Many of these have had greater or lesser influences on Norrath over time, with some creating races (many races in some cases), with others just having vast influences through other means (Solusek never created a race, but definitely had massive influence at times).

[kyth]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> kythik wrote: <div></div>    I would expect that the 9 is refering to the 9 greater gods.  Bertox, Fennin, Tunare, Xegony, Triumitive of Water, Rathe Council, Ct, Inno, Rallos.  I may be wrong but i believe those are the 9 "Greater" gods. <div></div> <p>Message Edited by kythik on <span class="date_text">06-23-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:04 AM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Thats 11, and you left off Erollisi, Mithanial, Bristlebane, Brell, Veeshan, Solusek Ro, Prexus, Quellious (ESPECIALLY Quellious) and The Tribunal.</p> <p>So... there goes that theory.</p><hr></blockquote>    Actually thats 9 but if you split the 12 rathe council and the 3 of water you get 22 =p.  But Fennin.Rathe,Xegony, Triumvrate of Water are the elemental gods.  Prexus is one of the Triumvrate of water.   I am sure i am not spelling that right btw lol<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kythik wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kythik wrote:<BR>     I would expect that the 9 is refering to the 9 greater gods.  Bertox, Fennin, Tunare, Xegony, Triumitive of Water, Rathe Council, Ct, Inno, Rallos.  I may be wrong but i believe those are the 9 "Greater" gods.<BR> <P>Message Edited by kythik on <SPAN class=date_text>06-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:04 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR>Thats 11, and you left off Erollisi, Mithanial, Bristlebane, Brell, Veeshan, Solusek Ro, Prexus, Quellious (ESPECIALLY Quellious) and The Tribunal.</P> <P> </P> <P>So... there goes that theory.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>    Actually thats 9 but if you split the 12 rathe council and the 3 of water you get 22 =p.  But Fennin.Rathe,Xegony, Triumvrate of Water are the elemental gods.  Prexus is one of the Triumvrate of water.   I am sure i am not spelling that right btw lol<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The Rathe Council is the god of earth. There are 12 councilmembers, but they all work as one single entity of a god, so just being 12 bodies doesn't make them 12 gods. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pudaan]

So after u finish the ring of fate in dof does the keeper of secrets dialogue change?3 talismans also reminded me of the the 3 neck items that are basically worthless that drop off t7 contested dragons(pantrilla, vraksakin, forget the other) I know its dialogue changed when dof came out, but could it have been something related to KoS?I told my guild about this and we are prolly gonna try to get 3 talismans on 1 person and go hail the guy. Just an idea.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pudaan20 wrote:<BR>So after u finish the ring of fate in dof does the keeper of secrets dialogue change?<BR><BR>3 talismans also reminded me of the the 3 neck items that are basically worthless that drop off t7 contested dragons(pantrilla, vraksakin, forget the other) I know its dialogue changed when dof came out, but could it have been something related to KoS?<BR>I told my guild about this and we are prolly gonna try to get 3 talismans on 1 person and go hail the guy. Just an idea.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>no. I haven't finished the quest and his dialogue already changed to reflect Fallen Dynasty.

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:Prexus is one of the Triumvrate of water.</blockquote>No he's not. Prexus is the Lord of Oceans, and as I said above, the Triumvirate of water are Tarew Marr (Tarew = water), E'ci (E'ci = ice), and Povar (povar = vapor). Each of their names is an anagram for the state of water they rule over. Prexus isn't in there because he's the lord of oceans, not of all water, and he's not an elemental god.

[Pudaan]

So i guess this guys dialogue changes everytime a new expansion//adv pack comes out. Does anyone have a complete set of what the keeper says/said.This is really interesting <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pudaan20 wrote:<BR>So i guess this guys dialogue changes everytime a new expansion//adv pack comes out. Does anyone have a complete set of what the keeper says/said.<BR><BR>This is really interesting <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He's only changed his dialogue with Desert of Flames and Fallen Dynasty. Not with Bloodlines, Splitpaw, or Kingdom of SKy.

[Pudaan]

Ah ok. I havent had time to go pay him a visit. What is he saying with fallen dynasty?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pudaan20 wrote:<BR>Ah ok. I havent had time to go pay him a visit. What is he saying with fallen dynasty?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*points to the topic post*

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>I'm still gonna go with the nine entities it talks about as being the nine gods who created races on Norrath:</DIV> <DIV>Tunare, Prexus, Brell, Innorruuk, Rallos Zek, Bristlebane, Cazic-Thule, Mithaniel Marr, and Erollisi Marr</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I leave out Veeshan here because she pulled away from Norrath after planting her race (dragons) here. Since she was never around in EQ1, I wouldn't expect her to come back in EQ2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's sketchy, but I think it works. It's the closest thing to "9" that I can find that fits.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <SPAN class=date_text>06-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:48 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:43 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm still gonna go with the nine entities it talks about as being the nine gods who created playable races on Norrath:</DIV> <DIV>Tunare, Prexus, Brell, Innorruuk, Rallos Zek, Bristlebane, Cazic-Thule, Mithaniel Marr, and Erollisi Marr</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tunare = Elves</P> <P>Brell = Gnomes, Dwarves, Ratonga</P> <P>Innoruuk = Dark Elves, Trolls (See below)</P> <P>Cazic Thule = Iksar, Trolls (See above)</P> <P>Bristlebane = Halflings</P> <P>Erollisi Marr = Barbarians</P> <P>Mithanial Marr = Frogloks, Barbarians</P> <P>Rallos Zek = Ogres</P> <P>Thats only 8.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>The Erudites evolved from Humans, and its never been stated who created the Kerra, if a god actually indeed create them. I support the spirits of the land thing though.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>*EDIT*</P> <P> </P> <P>Wow. What the heck just happened with the spam posts there?</P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:00 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:58 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:58 AM</span>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Prexus = The Kedge</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is nine :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or... if we're going with playable races... then maybe the ninth is whatever God created the fae? Unless that was Tunare... then I'm back to using Prexus for the ninth, hehe.</DIV><p>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:45 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote:<BR> <DIV>Prexus = The Kedge</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is nine :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or... if we're going with playable races... then maybe the ninth is whatever God created the fae? Unless that was Tunare... then I'm back to using Prexus for the ninth, hehe.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <SPAN class=date_text>06-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:45 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You originally said the 9 gods that created the PLAYABLE races. The Kedge arn't a playable race, so thats only 8.<p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>06-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:31 PM</span>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Aye, and that's why I editted the original post... I realized it was confusing, and didn't really mean playable races (that's why I provided a theory for ruling out Veeshan, since she also created a race).</DIV> <DIV>But then again, you have other races that I didn't think about like the Aviaks who were created by Xegony... so once again, who knows :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV>I'd be willing to bet it's referring to nine gods... just trying to find a way to figure out which nine.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>Just throwing this out there in the universe since the discussion has gone to the gods...it's the HERALDS of the nine that will be coming and not the actual nine.  Herald is "One that gives a sign or indication of something to come; a harbinger."  Maybe this will give a little more insight as to who the nine are.  I wish I knew more of lore and could offer more, but I"m trying to learn <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<div></div>

[Shackleton1]

<P>I'm going with the druid connection. "The Nine" referring to the druids is repeated throughout Everquest, from spells (protection of the nine), to the number of stones in a druid circle (there should be nine), to the symbol of Tunare (nine dots, arranged in the same way as a druid circle viewed from above).</P> <P>Zeb recovering his memory would represent the end of the adventure pack, meaning that subsequent events are heralding the Faydark expansion. It seems appropriate that they would be Heralds of the Nine since Faydark is probably a stronghold of druidic activity.</P> <P>I could of course be completely wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Siufu]

I noticed this from LU#25 notes:*** Zones and Population ***- Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, <font color="#ff0000"><b>nine</b></font> electNorrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of thevery gods themselves!<div></div>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Siufu wrote:<BR>I noticed this from LU#25 notes:<BR><BR>*** Zones and Population ***<BR><BR>- Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, <FONT color=#ff0000><B>nine</B></FONT> elect<BR>Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the<BR>very gods themselves!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats interesting, we know that M. Marr has a prophet in NQ and that Inny has one in FP, has anyone seen anymore? </P> <P> </P> <P>***This was seen on the test server.***</P>

[the]

<P>not sure if this is connected but the update notes list 9 people that have moved </P> <P>1. nosno the naysayer .... now just nosno 2. zaza lenska 3 zaza's husband 4. crispin 5. manius 6. tilzak 7. zekvila 8. sir alesso and 9. daryann.</P> <P>it even mentions where they went i wonder if they have anything new to say cant wait to get in and find out</P> <P> </P>

[KniteShayd]

<P>Could the pic of that seal be a clue?  the one that was in the lore forum that had the symbols that represented the gods?</P> <P>If it was 9 who were race creators, that makes sense.</P> <P>I cant think of 9 involved in the war  in antonica though:</P> <P>Rallos Zek(ogres and orcs), Karana(Qeynos), Quellious(Freeport).</P> <P>only 3.</P> <P>War of the fey may be:</P> <P>Tunare(Kelethin and Felwithe), Innoruuk(dark elves, crushbone orcs), Brell (dwarves and gnomes)</P> <P>But thats only 6.</P> <P>The marr twins may have gotten involved on behalf of the Froglocks and Barbarians:</P> <P>Errollisi, Mithaniel</P> <P>That would make 8.</P> <P>Regardin involvement from other gods:</P> <P>Bertoxxulus could have been, Cazic Thule may have been,  Rodcet Nife you would think,  Prexus, i don't kno.  The Elemental gods, I highley doubt.  Bristlebane, mmmm...</P> <P>we do know from the lore stories about the war on antonica that Rallos, Quellious, and Karana all had avatars that they hand selected.</P> <P>thusly, my guess would be the avatars are the heralds.</P> <P>I reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaallllllly hope that the faith paths that EoF offers us more options of gods to serve.  I want an Illusionist of Morell Thule, a Dirge of Ayonea Ro, an Assassin of Luclin and such.</P>

[Dajuuk]

<DIV>If you throw in Cazic for the Iksar that makes alot of sense.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

In case anyone was wondering, the Keeper still says the same thing after the GU.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Wrapye]

<div></div>In the initial <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_01" target="_blank">The Council of the Gods</a> that precedes the launch of EQ2, there are more than nine gods present.  Rallos Zek, Tunare, Solusek Ro, Fennin Ro, Brell, Bristlebane, Innoruuk, Cazic-Thule, Mithaniel Marr, Erollisi Marr, Karana, Xegony, The Tribunal and Quellious.I would wager that we can remove Xegony, The Tribunal and Fennin Ro from the list.  They are too distant to what is going on, and speak last in the procedings of the Council.  They want balance, but aren't going to take as active a hand in what is going on.  Of the remaining 11, I would knock out Karana and Quellious.  Karana because I don't see a strong following for him amongst the playerbase, and Quellious who proposed the compromise that led to the gods remove themselves from Norrath.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:24 PM</span>

[Saroc_Luclin]

I wouldn't discount Quellious nor Karana so quickly thouhg.Karana was always strongly associated with the Qeynos side of Antonica, especially with the druids and rangers on that side. (Don't forget Stormhold).And Quellious has a strong influence on the Monks and possibly is influenced more with the Adventure pack behind the scenes.Then again as the proposer of the "hands off" pact, maybe she's staying silent/away for now until it is clear the pact has fully ended.<div></div>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saroc_Luclin wrote:<BR>I wouldn't discount Quellious nor Karana so quickly thouhg.<BR><BR>Karana was always strongly associated with the Qeynos side of Antonica, especially with the druids and rangers on that side. (Don't forget Stormhold).<BR><BR>And Quellious has a strong influence on the Monks and possibly is influenced more with the Adventure pack behind the scenes.<BR><BR>Then again as the proposer of the "hands off" pact, maybe she's staying silent/away for now until it is clear the pact has fully ended.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For all we know this is the end of the Pact..</P> <P>The "chosen" standing up and proclaming that they are Profits in loud voices would indicate that.</P> <P>I would Imagine that Quellious will be one of the gods though as she has had quite the Hand in the goings on of the lands so far.. I would imagine that a Monk is going to show up some time soon.. old Yor in Windstalker or the old weapon smith in TT in KoS? (that would be in keeping with the historical lore of picking an old follower and rejuvinating them.)</P> <P> </P> <P>As to the neutrals? I think that is where the fun will start..</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Jaale on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:11 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>For the record, here's the Representatives of the Nine that I've found so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>TUNARE can be found in Elddar Grove.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>MITHANIAL MARR can be found in North Qeynos</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>INNORUUK can be found in Freeport (I dont know what sector)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>CAZIC THULE can be found in, where else, Cazic Thule</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>RALLOS ZEK can be found in, where else, Zek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't found the representatives for any other gods yet, but I really really hope that Quellious is the 3rd good god.</DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

The Herald of Hate can be found next to the Temple of War, I think.

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div>The Herald of Hate can be found next to the Temple of War, I think.<hr></blockquote>Aye, North Freeport</div>

[Phylok]

Has anyone been to Stormhold and seen if the Karana prophet is there?

[KniteShayd]

maybe he is in TS?

[Wrapye]

I notice in the download of voicepacks that there are ones for Everfrost and Permafrost... <div></div>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

every so often i go to this npc to see if he has anything new to say.  most of the time i dont do it on purpose, i just happen to be in the zone or up in that area with one of my many characters.  he has been saying that before the nek zone revamp went live.  i had no idea who the nine he was talking about but it makes sense now with the 9 prophets metioned in the patch notes of GU25.  if i had ot guess id say he has been saying that for at least a month and a half possibly longer.

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the record, here's the Representatives of the Nine that I've found so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>TUNARE can be found in Elddar Grove.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>MITHANIAL MARR can be found in North Qeynos</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>INNORUUK can be found in Freeport (I dont know what sector)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>CAZIC THULE can be found in, where else, Cazic Thule</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>RALLOS ZEK can be found in, where else, Zek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't found the representatives for any other gods yet, but <STRONG>I really really hope that Quellious is the 3rd good god.</STRONG></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>/agree's on my toons i follow quellious as well<BR>

[NaturalDeath]

<p>Message Edited by NaturalDeath on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span>

[PsiaMeese]

I found the Brother of Peace in the monks temple within Elddar Grove. He claims to represent Quellious and is rather convincing... <div></div>

[Simera]

<p>I was thinking on this guy today.. and did a search on posts on him so sorry for the old post bump. There's a reference to a Cyclops who walks across the ocean in the 2nd book of The Three Keys series. That whole series if you read the actually storyline, seems to point in a sort of cryptic way to three keys needed to open some series of doors..Copper, Silver and Gold. Everytime I see The Keeper of Secrets I think of that storyline.. and Im starting to wonder if there was some connection. Is he just there to herald things to come..or is there a real secret hidden here? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>The link inserter doesnt seem to want to work for me tonight but these are the copy and paste ones:</p><p>Book One -  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_First_Key_(House_Item)" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p><p>Book Two - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_Second_Key_%28House_Item%29" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p><p>Book Three - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_Third_Key_%28House_Item%29" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p>

[Vortexelemental]

<cite>Safia@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was thinking on this guy today.. and did a search on posts on him so sorry for the old post bump. There's a reference to a Cyclops who walks across the ocean in the 2nd book of The Three Keys series. That whole series if you read the actually storyline, seems to point in a sort of cryptic way to three keys needed to open some series of doors..Copper, Silver and Gold. Everytime I see The Keeper of Secrets I think of that storyline.. and Im starting to wonder if there was some connection. Is he just there to herald things to come..or is there a real secret hidden here? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>The link inserter doesnt seem to want to work for me tonight but these are the copy and paste ones:</p><p>Book One -  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_First_Key_(House_Item)" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p><p>Book Two - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_Second_Key_%28House_Item%29" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p><p>Book Three - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Keys_-_The_Third_Key_%28House_Item%29" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three...28House_Item%29</a></p></blockquote>this is a bit off topic, but i believe the third book is definitely a reference to the shadowed men, and i thank you for it, i must now find those books, a very nice story there