Mayong Mistmoore discussion

[iceriven2]

I was reading the stuff about him in the Gods of Everquests thread and something didn't add up. In Depths of darkhollow Expansion for EQ1 if i am not mistaken Mistmoore was discoverd to be an Eldar Elf. The first elves on Norrath. But if I read the godking stuff right that a Dark elve family (D'morte's) Drank the Ewe and instead of becoming typical undead zombies they were the First Vampires and after this happened they headed back to Neriak. Curious to see if this is all true what ppl might think of this all.

[ganng]

<DIV>You can not mix post EQ2 lore from EQ1 with active EQ2 lore</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Aye. These are two seperate things that arn't intended or suppose to be connected together.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depths of Darkhollow came out after EQ2, which suggests that nothing that happens in it has happened, is happening, or is going to happen in EQ2. (That doesn't mean that it won't or can't or isn't, but one would naturally assume this is just how it's going to be.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the other hand, The D'Morte family and the events that happen in Maj'Dul and the Desert of Flames are not intended to be linked to EQlive's development either. There is no ancient city of Aket Ahken in EQlive, nor is there the Sul'Dae or the Ewer of Life. (They can add these things in if they wanted too, but it's not likely that they're going to bother.)</DIV>

[iceriven2]

<blockquote><hr>iceriven2 wrote:I was reading the stuff about him in the Gods of Everquests thread and something didn't add up. In Depths of darkhollow Expansion for EQ1 if i am not mistaken Mistmoore was discoverd to be an Eldar Elf. The first elves on Norrath. But if I read the godking stuff right that a Dark elve family (D'morte's) Drank the Ewe and instead of becoming typical undead zombies they were the First Vampires and after this happened they headed back to Neriak. Curious to see if this is all true what ppl might think of this all.<hr></blockquote>Sigh....I understand that but the fact is He an eldar Elf doesn't change he was one before eq1 came out and he was one before Plane of time stuff...yes its semantics but thought it would be an iteresting discusion

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Actually, before this, almost everyone thought him to be a dark elf, since in all the pictures of him (Castle Mistmoore, Tower of Frozen Shadow), as well as almost everyone who he turns/uses is also dark elf.  And, like one of the people pointed out, the lore in the Peacock quest says the D'Mortes were the ones who unleashed the vampire curse on Norrath, and were the first vampires.</P> <P>And yes, they really were pictures of Mayong, I know a dev said as much somewhere, having a hard time finding it, though, since there have been so MANY comments about Mistmoore</P>

[Saroc_Luclin]

The thing is, ANY piece of Lore that comes from EQLive from later expansions, no matter where in the overall EQLive timeline they fit, is suspect as far as EQII is concerned. Same applies for EQII lore as  far as EQLive is concerned.EQLive could, for example, reveal that Luclin and Drinal (the moons) were in reality two giant eggs Veeshan laid when she marked Norrath originally for her brood; but as far as EQII is concerned, they would just be two moons otherwise unconnected to Veeshan. (Until the EQII devs decide to do something like that as well)So as far as the revelations about Mayong, and what he's been up to through the generations, watching over his generals as they tricked, enslaved and trapped the wurine, destroyed Emperor Draygon's city and scattering/killing/enslaving the illsalian inhabitants, and expanding the drachnid armies (All of which would have occured pre-split in the EQLive timeline) are concerned, they may not have happened that way in EQII's past.(Think of it like Back to the Future, and how even though the two 'present' times we saw in the first movie were very close, there were ripples/differences in how the timelines played out between 1960 and 1988 that caused minor differences. So for EQLive/EQII, we not only have the big rollback Drinal performed, but we also now have the whole in time Drinal and Tunare tore to reach back to the final days of the Elddar Forest that will be rippling changes forward).<div></div>

[Saroc_Luclin]

Oh yeah, and I thought the jury was still out somewhat on if Mayong was really an Elf, or just some shapeshifter/illusionist who really liked Dark Elves, or something else entirely. I've gotta dig into the Elddar Forest lore a bit in EQLive sometime and see what, if any, hints we have about Mayong and his ascension exist back there. I doubt there is much though. :<<div></div>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Actually, as the timeline kind of dictates, anything that happened from the launch of EQ, to the invasion of the Plane of Time in PoP is actual history for EQ2, so Velious really was rediscovered by a gnomish, ice crushing, boat, the Coldain really did end up there, the Iksar really did at one time rule most of Kunark, Trakanon really was a dragon that took up residence in the ruins of Sebilis, the undead lich Venril Sathir really did arise and begin amassing armies in the Overthere, travel to Luclin really was made possible by the research of the famous erudite wizard and scholar, Al'Kabor, Firiona Vie really was the Avatar of Tunare, and the Battle of Bloody Kithicor really did happen....why?  Because it all happened in EQ before the time split and thus:</P> <P>The pictures of the Teir'Dal nobleman found in the castle of Mistmoore and the Tower of Frozen Shadow really are that of Mayong Mistmoore.  And, as I have said before, I know I have seen a dev confirm that the ones in ToFS are.  And yes, if you look at the pictures, they are clearly that of a Teir'Dal (Elddar didn't have blue skin).</P> <P>On a side note, I have also heard some say that the only reason there wasn't any differentiation between wood elves and high elves in EQOA was because they didn't think they had the space to create such differences, so it was easier just to lump all the goody elves together.  There actually isn't any in-game lore in EQ that suggests that the elves were ever one race.</P>

[iceriven2]

There was some lore from the eq1 forums that supposely revealed Mistmore was an eldar Elf...but its not first hand soo u never knowEDIT HEREWas looking through the EQ 1 forums to try and back up my claim. And even though i thought i read something that made it concrete I cannot find such a thing. I found several post about in game lore that points towards him being extrememly old...to old for the tier'dal as well as a discription given by something in game saying basically yeah he may be blue but his features are more high elf then dark elf...which lead ppl to think he might be an Elddar Elf. I might find more but thats all i can find to back up what i said....<p>Message Edited by iceriven2 on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:33 PM</span>

[Saroc_Luclin]

No the pictures of Mayong confirm that he usually LOOKED like a Dark Elf. There was a long discussion on the EQLive lore forums about whether he was really an elf (of any sort) or something else, and IIRC it is still inconclusive. And yes, everything from EQLive start to the end of PoP also occured in EQII. But events from LoY onward  that redefine the past (including redefining past events hinted at/explained in Original to PoP) do not necessarily count for EQII lore purposes.<div></div>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>No arguement there, though we do know that the Frogloks really did take over Grobb, since we know from the Tome of Destiny that the Ogres took it back.  Also, the fact that the Peacock series states that the D'Mortes were the first vampires, and that they were Teir'Dal defines the lore for EQ2 for this particular discussion.</P> <P>I'd also like to argue that there is even such thing as an "Elddar Elf"?  We really don't have direct proof that there hasn't always been both wood elves and high elves.  In their self authored histories here in EQ2, they even say they were created differently, and were different since day one.  And for those who wish to cite EQOA as proof, I've already explained in a previous post how 500 years between EQOA and EQ is not enough time to differentiate from one species to two with a race that lives 600 years.  In EQ, there would have still been "Elddar," and we have no proof of any, nor any who claim to such a title.</P> <P>On a side note, is it just me, or does Marshal Christof look mysteriously like Moorgrad? (well, from the eyes up, anyways <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</P><p>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 PM</span>

[iceriven2]

<blockquote><hr>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:<P>No arguement there, though we do know that the Frogloks really did take over Grobb, since we know from the Tome of Destiny that the Ogres took it back.  Also, the fact that the Peacock series states that the D'Mortes were the first vampires, and that they were Teir'Dal defines the lore for EQ2 for this particular discussion.</P><P>I'd also like to argue that there is even such thing as an "Elddar Elf"?  We really don't have direct proof that there hasn't always been both wood elves and high elves.  In their self authored histories here in EQ2, they even say they were created differently, and were different since day one.  And for those who wish to cite EQOA as proof, I've already explained in a previous post how 500 years between EQOA and EQ is not enough time to differentiate from one species to two with a race that lives 600 years.  In EQ, there would have still been "Elddar," and we have no proof of any, nor any who claim to such a title.</P><P>On a side note, is it just me, or does Marshal Christof look mysteriously like Moorgrad? (well, from the eyes up, anyways <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</P><p>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 PM</span><hr></blockquote>I know How things can be different in eq2 then what it is in eq1 but the most recent expansion for eq1 Prophecy of ro you can go back in time to when there was an Elddar Forest and a Takish'Hiz was still the Home of the Elddar Elves. So there is physical proof of some sorts...Oh ans PS ....Now i need to head over to Maj'dul and look at the Marshal....<p>Message Edited by iceriven2 on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 PM</span>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Yeah, like you said, that is like the most recent expansion, and is in no way related to EQ2.  So it's not really proof of anything.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Jait]

<DIV>I like Mayong as much as anyone, but I totally agree.  For example:  There's plenty of Lore prior to the "timeline split" that suggests Mayong might have reached his goal of Godhood in EQ2.  But until we see it in EQ2, it never happened, despite what EQ1 claims.  Even if recent EQ1 lore reveals something from Mayongs distant past, it's still not necessarily true in EQ2.  To put it in perspective there's a post around here explaining that Mayong was originally a Pencil and Paper character with many attributes and lore that never carried over to EQ1.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ganng]

<P>I just hope that they use his absence from EQ1 as part of the story line of EQ2.  Think of the fun you can have with this concept.  Why did he go missing?  Where was he?</P> <P>For example (and this is a flying leap) what if in his attempts to attain god status he opened a rift to the world of EQ2?  While here he bartered a deal with the gods to used his other worldly powers to protect the land and give the gods a conduit to maintain contact with the world.  Now he finds himself in a Atlus type situation and is really [Removed for Content] off at the gods he once yearned to join.</P> <P>As for being one of the original pointie ears I have a question have we seen either of the following two dates:</P> <P>1.  Life span of the original pointy ears </P> <P>2. Date the D'Morte bacame vamps</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Zh]

Nocturnal Abyss, I don't really have the urge to look it up right now but there's a lot that points to the Elddar elves. I think the history of the dark elves might have something about it. Wasn't it the King and Queen of the Elddar that Inny twisted into the dark elves? I dunno, it's been a while since I read all that stuff.Anyway, despite it being from an expansion in EQ1 after the Planes of Power, it's still very possible that he became a god, it's also very possible that he didn't. This remains to be seen. As stated above LoY was after PoP, but it's obvious events from that happened because of the frogloks and the events in the tome of destiny. Maybe not *ALL* events happened but the main ones did. We'll just have to see, and just because it's never talked about, doesn't mean it never happened. I bet there's all kinds of stuff happening on Kunark and Odus, we just don't know about it. Mayong could be a god already. Could be out and about in a newly created plane just sitting there happy in his victory not doing anything to the world. He could do that forever if he wishes and we never see him. He could still be a god.<div></div>

[Pentarum]

<div></div>When you finish bloodlines from the evil camp you get some insight into just what the D'Morte are. They are not as important as the Ewe story claims. In fact it seems they are just a rogue house amongst the Dark Elf vampire clans. In EQ1 Mayong collected ancient artifacts in order to amass enough power and knowledge to accend to godhood. He often used others to do his work for him and almost all vampires followed him as their master. Thus the story behind the D'Morte being sent to retrieve the Ewer. Not to be corrupted by it since they were already vampires just the general population did not know this. In the last instance for bloodlines you fight a bunch of vampires all with the title "Rook". Killing the last boss reveals insight into what may have happened to Mayong.... Here is the note text the boss drops. T'Haen has foolishly lost control of his brood. This incident has broken the veil of secrecy that our master has worked so diligently to maintain. Obviously, he is very displeased and wishes you to deal with this breach of contract siftly and mercilessly. Silence T'Haen and wipe his ilk from the pages of history. - Falon Considering that they are now about to uncover what is being dug up under fallen gate according to comming updates. That It is know that vampire dark elves were among Neriak residents all during eq1 history. Also that the queen is still alive in Neriak and that the new symbols for the expansion later this year are ones that were scattered all over Neriak and Castle Mistmore...... I'd say the "Master" or Mayong as I believe  refered to in the note sent his "Rooks" to deal with one of his houses rebellions. The dark elves in the living tombs even refer to the fact they were "Sent" to retrieve the Ewer artifact. I think Mayong has amassed a army in secret or at least was trying to till the D'Morte's screwed up and let their presence be known to the general population. While Mayong may not be a god yet in EQ2 I think we will be seeing more of him very shorty. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Pentarum on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:32 AM</span>