Who IS this guy?!

[Mary the Prophetess]

<DIV> <DIV>This screenshot was taken within the Tombs of the Night.  I see these types of stones everywhere in Nektulos too as I recall.  Is this just an artist's rendering of "Generic Daemon-01", or does it represent an actual lore persona?  Innoruuk, perhaps? [though it does not really represent his image as it was portrayed in EQ Live]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The chisled, angular lines of the face, the horns, and the 'spiked' shoulders, and the 'forked' beard, almost look like those of a gargoyle, though I don't see anything like wings.  Vindiami the Ancient?  [though there is nothing in the Condemned Catacombs that is at all like this]  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These stones seem to be associated exclusively with the Teir 'Dal. [And their Vampiric cousins;  has Mayong Mistmoore got his fingers in this pie too?]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=570100#" target=_blank><IMG alt="Found within the Tombs of the Night" src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/096/927.JPG" border=0></A></DIV></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:05 AM</span>

[Hirebra]

Looks like a stylized representation of <a href="http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/images/content_images/FF-12-09/Innoruuk.JPG" target=_blank>Innoruuk</a>. The long head and chin, the claws, the context. Interesting that it has wings, though.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah those stone images are found scattered all over the entire area of Nektulos Forest.</DIV>

[Faab]

<DIV>Looks like inny to me.</DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Well, WHOEVER it is, [I still tend to think gargoyle, rather than Innoruuk--though who is to say he isn't just manifesting himself in a more 'gargoyle-like' form here?], are these shrines, or grave markers, or what?  </P> <P>There certainly seem to be an abundance of them; [most of which look like they have been around fro a long while], and they do not seem to be congergated in a single location, [like a cemetary], but scattered around just about anywhere, and everywhere.</P>

[Tild]

<DIV>Quite probably a vampire of some sort, but not necissarily Mayong.  It very well may be the God of Blood, he may very well be the father of all vampires (is he?  in lore I mean?  can't remember).  The D'Morte family has a very distince presence in Living Tombs, during the peacock line you encounter one as a quest starter, and we all know the terror that they have wrought upon the denziens of Nektulous.  Possible homage to their great father Mayong?  I think it's likely.<IMG src="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/Mayong_Mistmoore_%28Demi-Plane_of_Blood%29.JPG"></DIV><p>Message Edited by Tildin on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 PM</span>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>FIRST, there is no known lore to suggest that in EQ2, Mayong ascended to godhood.  Not saying he hasn't, but I'm not saying he has either.  It simply will go as the devs want to go (thus the whole timeline split, thing.  The whole reason for putting that in there is so they are not mandated to make things a certain way just because the EQ devs made something happen.  Sort of a license for creative process sort of thing).</P> <P>Second, if you go through the whole Peacock series, and talk to everyone, you'll find out that the D'Morte House was the first house to show evidence of vampirism, and that vampirism came as a result of the Ewer of Sul'Dae.  Now, was Mayong Mistmoore originally of House D'Morte?  Only the devs know, but according to the lore in the Peacock series, the D'Morte House spawned the first vampires. </P>

[Thax]

<DIV>The horns and general head shape don't look quite right, looks more like a generic demon.</DIV>

[Fazzarya]

<DIV>I'm pretty sure anyone that fought Inny in EQ1 before Kunark and any graphics upgrade will tell you that the</DIV> <DIV>creature in the screenshot is definitely Innorukk.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fazzarya wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm pretty sure anyone that fought Inny in EQ1 before Kunark and any graphics upgrade will tell you that the</DIV> <DIV>creature in the screenshot is definitely Innorukk.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Innoruuk never changed his appearance in the game. He looks the same in the Plane of Time as he did when he was first introduce into the game in 1999.</P> <P>However, a god can choose his or her appearance to whatever they want. If he wants to appear with horns in his head, then he can.</P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Kinda to support Cusa's point, I found a pic of the old model Inny, well, sort of, this was an image of Inny (yeah, I know it wasn't the real Inny, but it was the same model, even if smaller) that was used to in the Velious expansion, which came out before there were any graphic changes <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6762" target=_blank>look and see</A>!</P>

[WarShe]

Wow I almost forgot about the Puppets of the gods in PoM them things where so cool heh. They where removed later on for some reason but where freaky little puppets.

[Fazzarya]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Innoruuk never changed his appearance in the game. He looks the same in the Plane of Time as he did when he was first introduce into the game in 1999.</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>However, a god can choose his or her appearance to whatever they want. If he wants to appear with horns in his head, then he can.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>His appearance didn't change but at some point in the game (I don't really remember when) they had a graphics enhancement where a lot of the NPC models had their features sharpened a little and Inny and CT looked slightly different even though they had the same model. I just felt that the picture on that stone resembled the Inny I remember from way back when really well.<BR>

[Tanatz]

That statue does not look like Inny, it actually looks more like Dagoth Ur from Morrowind than it does Inny.<div></div>

[Archill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Tanatz wrote:That statue does not look like Inny, it actually looks more like Dagoth Ur from Morrowind than it does Inny.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Art is subjective.. how one artist may perceive their god may not be how others do. It looks like an overdramatised protrait of innoruuk to me.. and those aren't wings.. just long robe sleeves.</div>

[NocteBla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<p>If he wants to appear with horns in his head, then he can.</p><hr></blockquote>Innoruuk has always had horns - at leat in concept art. Look closely at the picture that was posted above.</div>

[Thax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <P>If he wants to appear with horns in his head, then he can.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Innoruuk has always had horns - at leat in concept art. Look closely at the picture that was posted above.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Aye, that's why I said the stone carving horns didn't look quite right.

[Pahya]

<DIV>I always took them to he images of Innoruuk. The stones also resemble to Thex monuments from a Longshadow quest that sends you to Big Bend... I think. Was quite a while ago.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't believe those are wings, I think they're flames over his shoulders. Different time peirods, different artistic movements and different sects of religions nearly always have different images of their gods. The images involve and change as the cultures tied to them do. Any society that's lasted as long as the teir'dal would have stylistic differences in diety representation.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being Innoruuk is also the only explaination I could come up with as to why the blasted little stones are -every-where. I always took them as shrines <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[nexsys113]

Frankly, I don't care who/what he is...I want that statue for my house! hehehe <div></div>

[NocteBla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Thax wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> NocteBlanc wrote:Innoruuk has always had horns - at leat in concept art. Look closely at the picture that was posted above. <hr> </blockquote>Aye, that's why I said the stone carving horns didn't look quite right.<hr></blockquote>Times change. Art departments change. What we recognize as Innoruuk probably won't be what he looks like if they ever add a model into EQII. Then they'll write some lore in to explain why they don't look the same.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR><BR>Innoruuk has always had horns - at leat in concept art. Look closely at the picture that was posted above.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Aye, that's why I said the stone carving horns didn't look quite right.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Times change. Art departments change. What we recognize as Innoruuk probably won't be what he looks like if they ever add a model into EQII. Then they'll write some lore in to explain why they don't look the same.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><A href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/lore.vm?chapter=Lore2" target=_blank>Actually, they already have a piece of lore that explains why a god can choose his appearance and his planar realm only being one of many perceptions of it.</A>

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

/shrugs I figured since the Gods left the Norrath, the people had to turn to other icons to worship for gods and the ruins are what's left of those primitive religions.

[NocteBla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> NocteBlanc wrote: <div>Times change. Art departments change. What we recognize as Innoruuk probably won't be what he looks like if they ever add a model into EQII. Then they'll write some lore in to explain why they don't look the same.</div> <hr> </blockquote><a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/lore.vm?chapter=Lore2" target="_blank">Actually, they already have a piece of lore that explains why a god can choose his appearance and his planar realm only being one of many perceptions of it.</a><hr></blockquote>Which, from a developmental standpoint, allows the EQII art team (that is different from the EQI art team) to do whatever they want with the appearance of Mob X or Zone Y. My point still stands.The lore in EQII<i> is</i> really well-written, though - I enjoy it. I remember following the Tome of Destiny chapters each time they were released. It doesn't feel like they're writing to cover their tracks for going a different direction in this Norrath, even if that is what they are doing.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>Times change. Art departments change. What we recognize as Innoruuk probably won't be what he looks like if they ever add a model into EQII. Then they'll write some lore in to explain why they don't look the same.<BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><A href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/lore.vm?chapter=Lore2" target=_blank>Actually, they already have a piece of lore that explains why a god can choose his appearance and his planar realm only being one of many perceptions of it.</A><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Which, from a developmental standpoint, allows the EQII art team (that is different from the EQI art team) to do whatever they want with the appearance of Mob X or Zone Y. My point still stands.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I was backing up your point, not arguing it.

[NocteBla]

oh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Vhalen]

<DIV>What you are looking at is a Teir'Dal shrine created during the latter days of the Thex dynasty. Teir'Dal agents such as dragoons and shadowknights often prayed at these shrines. A number of them were set up within the Nektulos Forest to support the religious rituals of the Dragoons of Gul'Thex, the dragoon division tasked with defending the region. I could tell you exactly what the image is within the shrine, but that would spoil the mystery.</DIV>

[Thax]

Leading me to believe it is NOT Inny :smileyhappy:

[Saroc_Luclin]

Ah but he could be hiding the answer in plain sight. By not saying who the image is of, especially after a long thread of us saying it has to be Inny, he makes us think it may not be Inny... when it really is Inny. Don't you hate double think like that? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Of course if it really isn't Inny, then I'd almost  think it may be Mayong. Especially now that some Mushroom Men are popping up in Nektulos now too. Maybe we'll be seeing some werewolves and undead squid faces popping through soon.....<div></div>

[Melchiah]

The nose on the original picture does look awfully similar to:<img src="http://www.tapr.org/~OutridersKarana/jpeg/innomiddle.jpeg">

[Ra]

<div></div>Vhalen said Tier'dal, and he said religous...and it looks like Innoruuk wearing a robe, and with spikes or something along the shoulders.  I'd say it's not a far leap of logic to assume that it's Inny.Please see <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1597" target="_blank">this picture:</a>Now, compare the two, the shape of the head is very similar, the large ears, and narrow forehead, as well as the narrow, tapering elongated jaw.  If you look at the statue, it appears very similar to Innoruuk, but simply wearing  a flowing robe of some sort, he has his hands crossed over one another around his lower-middle, and the robe has very long open cuffs... as is typical of fantasy robes.  I don't think it's "wings" along his shoulder as much as it's some ornate spiked structures on his clothing.There's lots of examples of spikey, horn-like decorations on the clothing of the gods in EQ1.  Just a few shown below.<a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=11943" target="_blank">Tallon Zek</a>note his stately spikey shoulderpads<a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=11941" target="_blank">Saryrn</a>note her spikey armwear<a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=12362" target="_blank">Rallos Zek</a>more spikey dudsI just think Inny decided to slip into something more comfy when he posed for this statue..that or the far more realistic scenario in which the artist depicted his or her deity in a flowing robe with spiked structures along the shoulders.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class=date_text>06-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:29 PM</span>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melchiah wrote:<BR>The nose on the original picture does look awfully similar to:<BR><BR><IMG src="http://www.tapr.org/~OutridersKarana/jpeg/innomiddle.jpeg"><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know itll sound odd, but i miss the old eq1 ui. <BR>

[Thax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Icarii_Raven`Lyon wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melchiah wrote:<BR>The nose on the original picture does look awfully similar to:<BR><BR><IMG src="http://www.tapr.org/~OutridersKarana/jpeg/innomiddle.jpeg"><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know itll sound odd, but i miss the old eq1 ui. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Even the one before this that had the border?  When meditating meant your book covering the entirety of your visible area? :smileywink:

[Pahya]

<DIV>Vhalen... like any  DM never gives a straight answer. Get use to it =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On that note: By Tunare is Innoruuk one ugly mug -.-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*runs from the teir'dal*</DIV><p>Message Edited by Pahya on <span class=date_text>06-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh yes, I think it would be awesome if they brought back Forced Concentration to meditate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you wanted to regenerate your mana, you had to sit down on the ground, open up your spell book, and look at it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This ment that you could not tell what was going on around you, leaving you open for attack.</DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Personally, I did not mind the original "book in your face", meditation model.  It reflected the fact that you were <EM>supposed</EM> to be in a state of deep meditation and concentration.</P> <P>You had better be in a safe and secure place though; (and don't even <STRONG>think</STRONG> about going AFK, if you are not)!</P> <P>Of course, I liked the boat rides too.  [remembers the zone shouts in Butcherblock, "BOAT!"]</P>

[selch]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh yes, I think it would be awesome if they brought back Forced Concentration to meditate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you wanted to regenerate your mana, you had to sit down on the ground, open up your spell book, and look at it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This ment that you could not tell what was going on around you, leaving you open for attack.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Go to where Brad has gone, okay?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was one of his silly ideas about "immersion" where it is nothing but idiocity and so happy that he was fired.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We don't need  stinking Sado-maso stuff in EQ2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 AM</span>

[Tanatz]

Yea, but whether you want to believe it or not that "idiocy" is mostly what gives all of us that nostalgic, pathetic feeling we all know when we think about it.  You'll never hear of an MMO reminisced about more than EQ1.These watered and dumbed down games we're hit with today will never offer the immersion EQ1 had, and I'm willing to bet it's because of stupid things like being forced to stare at your spell book for 6 minutes straight before you're able to kill another rat.<div></div>

[selch]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatz wrote:<BR>Yea, but whether you want to believe it or not that "idiocy" is mostly what gives all of us that nostalgic, pathetic feeling we all know when we think about it.  You'll never hear of an MMO reminisced about more than EQ1.<BR><BR>These watered and dumbed down games we're hit with today will never offer the immersion EQ1 had, and I'm willing to bet it's because of stupid things like being forced to stare at your spell book for 6 minutes straight before you're able to kill another rat.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Remembering games with bad memories was not a good reputation last time I checked.  EQ1's immersion has never came from those idiotic things, it was friends and community that make you remember. And happiness when Brad got fired and game finally could be fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't remember any bad things for example from Earth & Beyond except EA causing it to end because of Sims Online. Today I certainly not even looking to EA games & Lucas Art sections of game stores at all.  SOE saw that really on time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Today, you can't compete with anything and doomed to loose investment if you ever make a game like this again. Microsoft saw that before they invested into a dead investment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:19 AM</span>

[Zh]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>selch wrote:<div></div> <div> Remembering games with bad memories was not a good reputation last time I checked.  EQ1's immersion has never came from those idiotic things, it was friends and community that make you remember. And happiness when Brad got fired and game finally could be fun.</div> <div> </div> <div>I don't remember any bad things for example from Earth & Beyond except EA causing it to end because of Sims Online. Today I certainly not even looking to EA games & Lucas Art sections of game stores at all.  SOE saw that really on time.</div> <div> </div> <div>Today, you can't compete with anything and doomed to loose investment if you ever make a game like this again. Microsoft saw that before they invested into a dead investment. <font color="#ff0000">Yeah hi, SIGIL removed the deal from microsoft, microsoft didn't break it. So that doesn't make sense. There are a lot of people that will like thier game and it's gonna be rough like EQ was. Some of us don't want this "everyone to top lvl and best gear in 3 months" thing that the high population games like World of Warcraft has. Some of us want challenge.</font> </div><p>Message Edited by selch on <span class="date_text">06-08-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:19 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Really, can anything you say possibly make less sense and be more irrelivent to the thread? Just because it's a bad memory to you doesn't mean it's a bad memory to him, which obviously it isn't. I still have a screenshot of the very old UI where the viewing the world portion was about 1/4 of the whole screen. It was me in Crystal Caverns w/ lev on, FD'd floating slowly down to the bottom level. Those were, indeed, the days. I haven't felt the same newness and wonderment since then. I would prefer more immersion honestly. I'd rather have to sit down to regen better because it makes sense to rest better *gasp* at rest! I don't know this Earth and Beyond thing so who knows, I bet many things you remember about it people hated, and it'd be the same thing. You saying it was a good thing and people saying it was stupid. Friends and community don't create immersion in a game. The storyline and game mechanics do. Try reading an R.A. Salvatore book and carry on a conversation with friends at the same time. You won't get immersed. I have unguilded alts w/ the level chat channels off and junk like that so I can truly feel it and it is MUCH more present when you don't have people talking about some movie they watched in green text at the bottom of the screen.Back to the topic at hand. My vote is for Inny. Although it also looks to me like that's a horned helmet, i'm not sure what his hands are resting on but as for the spikes it just looks like part of the outfit and the sharp pointed fingers could be gauntlets so.. maybe I'm not 100% sure that it's Inny but it seems more like him than any other i've seen.Edit: after reading this <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10700#M10700" target=_blank>history of the Tier'Dal</a> I might rescind my thought on it being Inny, I think it could be King Naythox Thex I clad in the armor described when the Koada'Dal raid force came across thier former King and Queen in the Plane of Hate.</div><p>Message Edited by Zhek on <span class=date_text>06-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:10 AM</span>

[selch]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> selch wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>Remembering games with bad memories was not a good reputation last time I checked.  EQ1's immersion has never came from those idiotic things, it was friends and community that make you remember. And happiness when Brad got fired and game finally could be fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't remember any bad things for example from Earth & Beyond except EA causing it to end because of Sims Online. Today I certainly not even looking to EA games & Lucas Art sections of game stores at all.  SOE saw that really on time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Today, you can't compete with anything and doomed to loose investment if you ever make a game like this again. Microsoft saw that before they invested into a dead investment. <FONT color=#ff0000>Yeah hi, SIGIL removed the deal from microsoft, microsoft didn't break it. So that doesn't make sense. There are a lot of people that will like thier game and it's gonna be rough like EQ was. Some of us don't want this "everyone to top lvl and best gear in 3 months" thing that the high population games like World of Warcraft has. Some of us want challenge.</FONT> <BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by selch on <SPAN class=date_text>06-08-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:19 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Do you think Brad was fool enough to say "Microsoft kicked us?" <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Point is, Microsoft wanted to make money, Brad said he can't... So Microsoft said, "do it as we say or go in peace" and they picked one...</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Zh]

We don't need conspiracy theories about RL issues in these threads ty. Which is all it is, you think that's what happened, and you're trying to tell us it's truth. If you wanted to discuss lore, that'd be different, but you're not. So just, /shrug, give it up.<div></div>

[Vollux]

<DIV><FONT size=4>Not trying to necro post but I ran across something tonight.  I was hope somebody can translate the name at the base.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I don't remember this base being at the bottom before, and actually I wouldn't have caught it if I hadn't been saving [Removed for Content] of /sigh another plat seller to report.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I'm guessing purely on letter count  & appearence that is says  "Innoruuk" but I don't recognize the lettering/font.  This was in Dire Hollow btw.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>edit : got a bit cleaner shot</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG height=632 src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Ravenstein/EQ2%20screenshots/EQ2_000210.jpg" width=885></DIV><p>Message Edited by Vollux on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 PM</span>

[Bigoo]

<P>See the rune below the statue !</P> <P>Guess we need some translations...</P> <P>Where is the iksar Sesketh !?</P>

[DR_SP0]

It wasnt one of the fonts supplied with the UI but if i were to make an educated guess judging by the number of letters and the composition i would say it says Innoruuk (Same amount of letters and the double letters at the right places), still just a guess though.<div></div>

[GCT]

<FONT color=#6633ff>I also think it's Innorruuk.  One reason: the nose.  Who else has a nose like that?!</FONT>

[ElnAckom]

I'm very pleased to respond to Vollux's request that I weigh in on this topic, and am pleased to see continued lively debate on the subject. It's heartening to know that I've been able to play a role in these type of discussions.I concur with the assessments that the glyphs in question are intended to reveal the name of Innoruuk (sic) due not only to the pattern and sequence, but due to the similarity to written Thexian. I have long held the belief, and have stated as much, that at some point in the development of the fonts, a working copy of the Tier'Dal written text was distributed to the art department and later this font was replaced with a version that was more "sinister" and calligraphic. There are glyphs on texture files in EQ2 that are so much as LABELED as being written in Dark Elf, but that feature a symbology inconsistent with "contemporary" written Thexian. There are similarities, and indeed some of the characters seem merely warped from their original form, as seen here.<div align="center"><img src="http://www.thefallenlegion.org/sespics/innoruuk.jpg"><div align="left">On top is an auto-leveled screenshot of the writing in question. Beneath is is a regular font-weight typed version of the word "INNORUUK" in Thexian, and the third line is the same in bold-weight, followed (obviously) by the English text. You can see marked similarities, but clearly it's not an exact match. (It looks far more similar when you've spent literally entire weekends poring carefully over each glyph in every font in the entire game, but I digress into true nerddom.)I make my case that this is what I refer to as "Early Thexian" with this graphic of a texture, "de_tile," extracted from the game files:<div align="center"><img src="http://www.thefallenlegion.org/sespics/innoruuk2.jpg"><div align="left">The top is the source image. At the bottom, I have extracted the glyph immediately above it and increased the contrast dramatically. Notice the clear similarity between the Early Thexian E and the Contemporary Thexian E. (I say contemporary rather than "modern," as the script is merely contemporary to the "current time" in Norrath while playing; Modern implies a chronology incompatible with some people's perception of game time vs. real time.)This type of corollation gives me great comfort in pronouncing the text in the above examples Early Thexian, and stating that at least to the oberver, the label beneath the character depicted is, indeed, labeled as Innoruuk.However, every picture you hang in your house is labeled "Freeport" in Orkish, so just because it says so doesn't mean it is so. Welcome to the SOE Art Department.Yours in service,Moose Jockey Sesketh Ekalibis, The Hugger TorchAmateur Linguist Exxxtraordinaire</div></div></div></div><div></div>

[Vollux]

<P>/kneel</P> <P>Once again I am humbled by your skill!  Thank you so much for unraveling this for us.  </P> <P>As one of his faithful waiting for his return, I was hoping that it said Innoruuk.</P>